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Fat People Told to Slim or Lose Benefits.

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Nicolas Soames: Tory MP, “According to one of Soames’ ex-lovers, however, having sex with Soames is like having a very large wardrobe with a small key fall on you.”

Sickness benefit review to consider obesity and drug problems.

Those of us on benefits are already the most observed, controlled, stamped, sanctioned and ordered-around people in the country.

We have to complete 35 hours a week ‘Job Search’ because “looking for work is a full-time job”.

Failure to comply with every dot and comma of our ‘agreements’ results in loss of benefit, trips to Food Banks, and the risk of becoming homeless.

Tobanem points out that even if you find a job you are at risk of being caught up in the punishment system if you don’t get enough hours.

From Speyejoe

work35 be sanctionedNow we have this,

Obese people without jobs will be forced to diet or lose their benefits under plans to be set out by David Cameron today. Alcoholics and drug addicts will also face being stripped of their benefits, worth about £100 a week, if they refuse to accept a recommended treatment plan. The move is the first salvo in the Conservatives’ week focusing on welfare and is designed to capitalise on widespread public unhappiness at the scale of benefit claims.

The Times from Conservative Home.

Which reminds me of this (Eric Pickles, Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government).

The BBC continues,

David Cameron has commissioned a health adviser to review whether people with obesity, alcohol or drug problems should have benefits cut if they refuse treatment to make them fit for work.

About 100,000 people with such long-term, yet treatable, conditions are claiming sickness benefits.

Prof Dame Carol Black will consider whether the welfare system fails to encourage them to get treatment.

The PM said it was unfair for workers to fund those who refuse such help.

“Some have drug or alcohol problems, but refuse treatment,” Mr Cameron said.

“In other cases people have problems with their weight that could be addressed, but instead a life on benefits rather than work becomes the choice.

From the BBC.

Iain Duncan Smith adds,

“In particular, I have asked her to consider whether people should face the threat of a reduction in benefits if they refuse to engage with a recommended treatment plan.

The Conservatives: the Party of Snoopers, Busy Bodies, and Grinders of the Faces of the Poor.

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  1. In a world of soaring sanctions – handed out like confetti these days – here is a handy website which allows you to name and shame the sanctions centres. The site shows a league table of the worse offenders :

    http://welfarecentral.org/1/component/content/article/23-name-and-shame/414-name-shame-huddersfield-castle-house-jobcentre-sanction-targets

    Tobanem

    February 14, 2015 at 11:01 am

    • Notice on the above website that Arbroath Jobcentre tops the benefit sanctions league, then read the following report about a person who was arrested at Arbroath Jobcentre for representing another Jobbseeker:

      http://www.boycottworkfare.org/?p=4158

      Tobanem

      February 14, 2015 at 11:11 am

    • “invalid input” on the number of days sanctioned?

      enigma

      February 14, 2015 at 11:56 am

      • Hi Enigma, I checked the ‘days sanctioned’ input field and found that it only allowed input of 3 numbers. This was preventing Jobseekers from entering a 3 year sanction (1095 days). The field now allows four digits and should be fine.

        Thanks for the feedback on this. Much appreciated 😉

        TrevR

        February 17, 2015 at 3:47 pm

  2. Is it only those on benefits who are obese? Appalling discrimination.

    It also raises the matter of coerced consent – a contradiction in terms if ever there was one!

    Tobanem

    February 14, 2015 at 11:07 am

  3. And why are people on benefits singled out?

    I bet Pickles could do with give up eating babies for breakfast if pushed.

    Andrew Coates

    February 14, 2015 at 11:40 am

    • You know Andy, it’s all about ending the welfare system. completely.

      enigma

      February 14, 2015 at 12:11 pm

    • Cameron – He also knows taxpayers who fund the welfare state like policies which ensure benefits only go to those who need them. (who is he talking about) – no one.

      enigma

      February 14, 2015 at 1:18 pm

    • Obi Wan Kenobi

      February 14, 2015 at 1:32 pm

      • Who’s that Obi?

        enigma

        February 14, 2015 at 1:35 pm

      • The baby eating Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder 2

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        February 14, 2015 at 2:03 pm

      • Of course those who need benefits won’t receive it, meanwhile those who don’t, will receive it.

        enigma

        February 14, 2015 at 3:09 pm

      • Now working as a “Work Coach”, giving a ‘helping hand’ here:

        Andrew Coates

        February 14, 2015 at 4:19 pm

  4. Its just another excuse to stop benefits being paid out to those who need it. there will soon be an excuse for those that are slim. we all know they are going after everyone, whatever their circumstances or situation.

    enigma

    February 14, 2015 at 11:55 am

    • If you are slim you are obviously not spending your benefit money on food, therefore you don’t need as much money… so a cut is in order 😀

      The Fatties

      February 15, 2015 at 11:39 am

  5. Reblogged this on sdbast.

    sdbast

    February 14, 2015 at 12:02 pm

  6. From the second world war, British servicemen Prisoners of War found that the more overweight you were, the quicker you starved to death.

    So stopping benefits to the obese will kill them faster than the average of one month to medically starve to death.

    This will impact NHS funding which already has had a massive rise in malnutrition hospital admissions.

    Being obese is because cheap food is all fatty food, most of which has VAT levied on it by government.

    So just like all people on benefit, we more than pay for all benefit from the 75 per cent of all tax that comes from stealth indirect taxes and VAT.

    There is a way of getting a government in 2015
    of a rainbow coalition with none of the big parties in it.
    See how at:
    http://www.anastasia-england.me.uk

    Chris

    February 14, 2015 at 12:48 pm

    • “So stopping benefits to the obese will kill them faster than the average of one month to medically starve to death” because they receive benefits – to starve them to death is the whole idea.

      enigma

      February 14, 2015 at 1:46 pm

      • Obesity is a sign of maturation – prisoners in concentration camps all had ‘pot-bellies’. Obesity is caused by eating (high-calorific) nutrient-deficient ‘food’; your body doesn’t get the nutrients it craves, so you just keep on eating resulting in the inevitable weight-gain.

        (Dr) Gillian McKeith

        February 15, 2015 at 11:50 am

      • * sign of malnutrition!

        (Dr) Gillian McKeith

        February 15, 2015 at 11:51 am

      • Bellies swell up due to hunger/starvation before those people end up looking like skeletons, the swelling isn’t anything to do with obesity.

        enigma

        February 15, 2015 at 12:09 pm

    • Cheap food is full of sugar, not fat. It’s sugar which makes you fat, not, by and large, fat, which your body actually needs a fair bit of..

      Bill Kruse

      February 14, 2015 at 6:57 pm

      • Body fat isn’t fat as in chip-pan anyway – it is biologically-active system; it is in a constant state of flux, triglyceride in the blood enable the bi-directional transfer of adipose (body) fat and blood glucose from the liver. Incidentally, when you ‘lose weight’ the ‘fat cells’ still remain, so it is a lot easier to ‘fill them up again’. As you can see ‘weight loss’ is a lot more complicated than ‘going to the gym’, ‘going on a diet’. I wonder what Iain Duncan Smith studied at university (if indeed he did attend university as his CV states) – it certainly wasn’t human biology.

        Professor of Nutrition & Human Biology

        February 15, 2015 at 2:02 pm

    • It’s a lot cheaper to stock on processed – fattening – food, and desserts from Iceland than it is to eat Farm assured organic stuff.

      Andrew Coates

      February 15, 2015 at 12:08 pm

  7. Cheers Andy,

    That picture of Eric ‘Pork Pie’ Pickles has put mi right off mi pudding.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    February 14, 2015 at 12:49 pm

  8. I wonder if Cameron (he would have to be pushed on this) would introduce a private contractual agreement for all of his MP’s, in order to keep their jobs, no one unless they are naturally big boned must keep a weight not in excess of 14 stone.

    Some hope!

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    February 14, 2015 at 1:21 pm

    • We will all see in many parts throughout the UK (and world) training camps, for the over weight or unfit, running and other physical activity and may involve marching.

      enigma

      February 14, 2015 at 1:32 pm

      • One step closer to a police state?

        Under no circumstances can The Tories be allowed back in to power after the General Election, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        February 14, 2015 at 1:43 pm

      • Bit by bit.

        enigma

        February 14, 2015 at 1:48 pm

  9. Former HSBC chairman steps down from City lobby group after leaks. – get out before your convicted.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4286350c-b451-11e4-b477-00144feab7de.html#axzz3RiCPO4Vf

    enigma

    February 14, 2015 at 3:29 pm

  10. Social housing tenants at a new multi-million pound development have been told to keep off a section of grass because it is reserved for the owners of the building’s luxury apartments.

    Tenants residing in the 43 affordable flats at the new One Tower Bridge complex in Southwark, London, will not be allowed on the development’s ‘podium garden’ when it is completed in 2017.

    Property developer Berkeley Homes was granted permission to ban all tenants from the special area, unless they pay an additional service, during a Southwark Council planning committee meeting.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2951203/Keep-grass-Social-housing-tenants-new-London-development-told-stay-away-garden-reserved-owners-15m-luxury-apartments.html

    enigma

    February 14, 2015 at 3:33 pm

    • Let all of us know when it opens, we’ll all be there with banners.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      February 14, 2015 at 4:39 pm

  11. RED DWARF RULES – Season 5 Showing right now on Channel ‘Dave’ and ‘Dave ja vu’ (Dave +1)

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    February 14, 2015 at 4:45 pm

  12. GEOFFREY REYNOLDS (Account suspended) why.

    11/ Would sanctions be used against any poor person who turns to
    cannibalism in the event the scheme fails? just may come to this.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/bill_gunnyeon_dwp_chief_medical

    enigma

    February 14, 2015 at 6:52 pm

  13. The Andrew Mar show, BBC1, on now, IDS.

    enigma

    February 15, 2015 at 9:09 am

  14. Universal credit is working, ministers say

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31476172

    enigma

    February 15, 2015 at 9:52 am

    • The rollout of universal credit has cost less than expected and has not been delayed, Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith has said.

      Mr Smith told the Andrew Marr Show the new benefit was £600m under budget and was being delivered “stage-by-stage”.

      The benefit, which replaces six payments, will begin being rolled out across the country on Monday. It should be offered by all job centres by 2016.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31476172

      enigma

      February 15, 2015 at 11:31 am

      • How can the benefit replace WTC when the RTIS from HMRC isn’t even properly off the drawing board yet? Whatever it is they’re rolling out, it isn’t UC.

        Bill Kruse

        February 15, 2015 at 11:38 am

  15. Lay off paid staff and use available slaves.

    Tesco cutting 10,000 jobs, says report.

    Last year Asda cut 1,360 jobs, Morrisons laid off 2,600 people, and last month Sainsbury’s announced that it would cut 500 jobs too.

    An analyst at Shore Capital told The Telegraph that Mr Lewis plans on simplifying Tesco, apparently he said the company’s structure was that of a global business, which now has to change as the retailer has sold its businesses in the US and Japan and should strictly focus on improving trading in the UK.

    http://marketbusinessnews.com/tesco-cutting-10000-jobs-says-report/48167

    enigma

    February 15, 2015 at 10:10 am

    • The town with soaring wages and shrinking unemployment.

      Henry Murray.

      If you think the fall in the headline rate of unemployment is impressive, then talk to Henry Murray. he is a manager at the town’s Jobcentre Plus.

      “It is a marvellous drop, and we have every similar reduction figures for nearby places such as Burton-upon-Trent, Lichfield and the South Derbyshire area,” Henry says.

      He reckons the vast majority of people who have left the claimant count have gone into jobs.

      “We do have more jobs available in the travel-to-work area than the 4,000 people or so who are in receipt of out-of-work benefits, including those on income support and employment and support allowance.”

      Barry Proffitt of BNJ Consultants

      A lot of large companies, particularly logistics and delivery firms such as Ocado, TNT and UPS, have moved to the area in recent years, taking on a lot of the unemployed.

      At his recruitment business in Tamworth, BNJ Consultants, Barry Proffitt says the effect has been simple – pay rates are being driven up.

      “Fork-lift operators have traditionally been paid £7 to £7.50 an hour but now we are starting to see that move to £8, £8.50 and beyond.”

      The legal requirement for lorry and bus drivers to have a CPC certificate of professional competence, introduced in 2009, has driven some older drivers out of the industry, he says.

      Now demand for their skills has revived, HGV drivers have seen their local wage rates go up by £2, £3 and even £4 an hour.

      “For straightforward day work, you could get £10 to £11 a hour, with shift work you could add £2 to £3 an hour on top of that,” says Barry.

      “They have seen massive increases; companies are fighting for staff, all the hauliers around here are recruiting staff, there is just a massive shortfall.”

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31148570

      enigma

      February 15, 2015 at 10:34 am

      • It does look like staffordshire is a better area for employment than most. But….

        If Tamworth are that desperate, then there doesn’t seem to all be that many employers advertising on UJ for Tamworth, – just the usual agency junk. I found only 2 employers in the first 5 pages, and on a closer look they’re not really ‘jobs’.
        https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJob.aspx?JobID=13358152
        https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJob.aspx?JobID=9358007

        Between early 2012 and last September, the town’s headline rate of unemployment more than halved, from 9.9% to 4.7%.

        The number of people telling the Office for National Statistics (ONS) that they were out of work and looking for a job fell from 3,400 to 1,800 in just two and a half years.

        In a town of 77,000, 1,600 of them got a job in just 2 1/2 years.

        The fall in the more old fashioned measure of unemployment, the claimant count, has been even more spectacular than the headline rate.

        In 2010 there were just under 2,500 people in Tamworth claiming job seeker’s allowance. That is now down to 285, giving a claimant count unemployment rate of just 0.6%.

        Looks like the JC manager has been too successful, his services will soon be no longer required!

        He reckons the vast majority of people who have left the claimant count have gone into jobs.

        No comment.. Edit.. Well OK then I will..
        Fancy that, he’s just the JC manager, why would he be interested, or know such things?

        “We do have more jobs available in the travel-to-work area than the 4,000 people or so who are in receipt of out-of-work benefits, including those on income support and employment and support allowance.”

        What’s the point in comparing the number of people in receipt of out-of-work benefits ‘in a town’, with the number of vacancies ‘in a whole region’? Hint, there might be some other competition for any vacancies in the region.

        Another Fine Mess

        February 15, 2015 at 6:13 pm

    • But these workfare-exploiters are not reducing their overallstaffing levels; the paid staff are being replaced with slave labour workfare

      Boycott Workfare

      February 15, 2015 at 12:02 pm

    • 05 Mar 2012 Tesco to create 20,000 jobs in UK fight-back
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/9122605/Tesco-to-create-20000-jobs-in-UK-fight-back.html

      Well that went well didn’t it.
      It’s amazing how accurate the comments BTL are!

      Another Fine Mess

      February 15, 2015 at 7:16 pm

  16. Scroungers who won’t get help make me furious.

    We are working for you.

    The Rt. Hon. Iain Duncan Smith MP, Secretary of State for Work & Pensions

    Iain Duncan Smith MP

    February 15, 2015 at 11:26 am

  17. “According to one of Soames’ ex-lovers, however, having sex with Soames is like having a very large wardrobe with a small key fall on you.”

    Still slept with him though, didn’t she? Idiot. What did she expect?

    KJ

    February 15, 2015 at 3:48 pm

  18. The damage coalition cuts and bodge have done to Universal Credit was omitted from the National Audit Office assessment of the scheme in November.

    The full story emerged a week after the auditor published its report. Had the NAO been able to put all the cards on the table, it may have discredited the coalition as the country entered its few months of mudslinging before the general election in May.

    The ambitious Universal Credit welfare scheme was in a worse state than the Department for Work and Pensions had admitted when the auditor did its assessment.

    http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2015/02/gov-dodged-scrutiny-of-univers.html

    enigma

    February 15, 2015 at 7:31 pm

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    enigma

    February 15, 2015 at 7:33 pm

  20. “IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE,YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE” ?

    The papers, the web were all awash with this sentiment a while back after the Snowden revelation.

    I bet you never thought it would include your weight, your addictions, now did you?

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/29/section/2

    I stated only recently about sensitive data, how DWP are tricking new claimants to sign away this brand of data NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH personal data by FOLDING A CERTAIN DOCUMENT while signing up to make a claim that clearly states on the HIDDEN PART, ” REFUSAL TO GIVE CONSENT WILL NOT DIMINISH YOUR RIGHTS TO RECEIVING BENEFITS “.

    So for the last time if you haven’t done so already,

    Put in WRITING that you no longer give your consent to DWP using your SENSITIVE DATA or soon you will find it WONT JUST be your weight or addictions that will be the deciding factor in whether or not your ENTITLED TO BENEFITS.

    YOUVE BEEN WARNED.

    gaia

    February 16, 2015 at 7:26 am

  21. PAUPERLAND: Poverty and the Poor in Britain by Jeremy Seabrook

    http://www.hurstpublishers.com/book/pauperland/

    If you cant afford it then don’t hesitate to grab a copy at the library or reserve it through them.

    gaia

    February 16, 2015 at 7:45 am

  22. A man who wanted to remain nameless has been claiming Universal Credit but he got sick so he did the responsible thing – he went to his doctor and got a sick note.

    The doctor stated on his sick note his medical condition so he took it into the Jobcentre. He was told that this sick note wasn’t good enough and that he needed to get another one because it needed the words written on it: “He’s got worse”.

    http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/02/15/your-sick-notes-arent-good-enough-claim-ashton-under-lyne-jobcentre-the-poor-side-of-life/

    enigma

    February 16, 2015 at 8:35 am

    • As was pointed out in the article, “what makes an advisor medically qualified”, the answer is its irrelevant.

      What is relevant however is the recognition unduly placed on the advisor who is after all not an expert but a mere FRONT LINE NON TO SEMI-SKILLED FACE.

      Claimants need to realise advisors DONT have the power to demand such and are merely acting as a deliberate barrier to such being legally recorded and said by way of formal writing.

      If there is a dispute between you and your advisor, it is the decision makers decision and not the under study advisors to say what is what.

      STOP PLAYING WITH THE MONKEYS AND DEAL WITH THE ORGAN GRINDER.

      gaia

      February 16, 2015 at 9:21 am

  23. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, NOW ITS MORE LIKE TERRORIST UNTIL DECIDED OTHERWISE.

    I speak of Copenhagen shootings of course in relation to news media published by,

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2954927/Killer-jihadi-inspired-Hebdo-Fanatic-shot-dead-Copenhagen-horror-planned-kill-cartoonist.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/copenhagen-shootings-security-tightened-uk-5169460

    Despite the authorities being totally and utterly at a loss to explain how one Omar Abdel Hamid El-Hussein was even radicalised and trained let alone having any ties to terrorism and not with standing only being recently released (2 weeks) from jail itself, the press and governments alike have already resided he’s a terrorist, a jihadist while carefully using words such as might, maybe and the likes .

    Now it may transpire he is but wouldn’t it be prudent or dare I say politically correct to find out the FACTS FIRST ?

    gaia

    February 16, 2015 at 9:47 am

  24. LIE LONG ENOUGH AND YOU MIGHT GET AWAY WITH IT.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31480234

    Today came a revelation that cannabis is linked to 24% of new psychosis cases analysed in a study by King’s College London. Yet according to the Mental Health Foundations Statistics already 1 in 4 British adults experience at least one diagnosable mental health problem in any one year, do the math ?

    http://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/help-information/mental-health-statistics/

    Before moving on did you know ?

    http://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/statistics-and-facts-about-mental-health/

    And now moving on in a scientific plant science way theres no super expensive or complex way cannabis is cross bred to make it stronger, it occurs naturally so if it wasn’t done by man, nature would have ensured it would still happen regardless as that’s evolution of any species.

    Secondly the CBD they refer to is a natural anti-psychotic that they have studied through the cultivation of cannabis that has been found to diminish they assume but as yet still hasn’t been scientifically proven when THC rises.

    So I find considering the evidence the argument is weak at best and as yet still doesn’t justify the use of drugs as a criminal act that todate is costing the taxpayer more and more when you consider policing, legal aid, prosecution, courts and prisons.

    gaia

    February 16, 2015 at 10:21 am

  25. Scheme to cut benefits for addicts rejected before – twice!

    Oh, and IDS (the D is for deluded) is still claiming his Universal Credit scheme is on schedule – despite informed claims that it is making “glacial” progress and will take 1531 years to roll out!!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2954013/Bid-crack-drunks-benefits-failed-twice-experts-warned-drive-claimants-crime-prostitution.html

    Tobanem

    February 16, 2015 at 10:33 am

  26. I’d just like to make the point that these newspaper articles stated that anyone refusing treatment will be sanctioned. It suggested that these new rules also covered anyone who was disabled and receiving benefits.

    It has greatly concerned people like myself who have had to turn down treatments we know to be damaging to our health.

    Sasson Hann

    February 18, 2015 at 9:20 am


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