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The DWP as Psychologists: “Haven’t you Committed Suicide yet?”

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In 2012 this story came out,

Unemployed people suspected of suffering from alcoholism or drug addiction will have their benefits cut if they refuse treatment for their condition, the work and pensions secretary, Iain Duncan Smith, will signal on Wednesday.

Guardian

Anybody who’s done a new Jobseeker’s Agreement will now that there’s question on this subject – and one on if you have a criminal background.

Then we  learnt about the DWP dabbling in psychology:

Jobseekers made to carry out bogus psychometric tests (2013)

This year we heard – very recently – of them prescribing Online Cognitive Behaviour Therapy.

Most people would think the last people on earth  to act as competent psychologists would be the DWP, Atos with the parasites and chancers running the Work Programme, Mandatory Work schemes and all the rest of the Workfare industry. Or that Atos’s successor, Maximus, “A company with a “chilling” record of incompetence, discrimination and alleged fraud” will do any better.

Well here’s the kind of larks this lot have got up not long ago.

Tobanem points the story out:

An ESA claimant has explained how an Atos work capability assessor asked her why she had not yet killed herself, after she admitted suffering with depression.

Abi Fallows described the interview on the I bet I can find a million people who DON’T want David Cameron as our PMFacebook group after reading Vox Political‘s article on the hidden cost of the Coalition Government’s benefits policy.

“At my last Atos ‘assessment’, when mentioning depression, the ‘assessor’ asked me why I hadn’t killed myself yet,” she told astonished members of the Facebook group.

She said the assessors’ attitude seemed to be that she couldn’t be depressed if she had not already killed herself: “I’ve noticed a few people, over the last year or so, going to Atos with depression are being asked that same question.

“I tried signing on for Jobseekers [Allowance], but thanks to the wonderful ‘Y’, who I saw, she said I was no way fit to work under any circumstances because I’d always be set up to fail.

“I had a doctor’s appointment this morning (December 4) and I told my doc. It’s the first time I’ve ever heard a doctor swear like that. The doctor swearing in response – a rather softly spoken voice – said, and I quote: ‘Holy shiiiiiiiit!’”

But it seems the scandalised claimant is set to have the last word because – unknown to her assessor – she recorded the entire incident.

Vox Political December the 6th.

Follow the story on the highly recommended Vox Political Blog – and weep.

 

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Update:

Skwawkbox makes the same connections as us

The SKWAWKBOX has published extensively on the sinister and abusive use of techniques devised by the same ‘torture guru’ who created the now-infamous CIA ‘enhanced interrogation’ techniques on UK benefit-claimants. Search ‘psychometric’ on this blog to find those articles.

The excellent ‘Vox Political’ blog picked up on the latest of these articles this week – and links this phenomenon to apparent DWP attempts to use similar ‘nudge’ techniques to encourage disabled claimants to commit suicide.

 

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  1. Most people would think the last people on earth to act as competent psychologists would be the DWP

    This is happening all the time,their constantly telling that they think nothings wrong,who diagnosed you and when and its desk staff at the jobcentre claiming this.its totally bizarre.

    ken

    December 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm

  2. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating.

    A6er

    December 13, 2014 at 6:09 pm

  3. Anyone got a link to the recording?

    Universal Jobmatch

    December 13, 2014 at 7:02 pm

  4. TRANSTHEORETICAL METHOD – OR SHOCK DOCTRINE

    The following is a comment from someone called “anon” to an article on “The Void” entitled “Jobcentre Busybodies to Outrank Healthcare Professionals in Treatment for Addictions”:

    “There already are[treatment centres for addicts]. The government has been cultivating them in stealth like mushrooms for some time.

    Terrifying places like the sordid ‘Sorted Project’ in Edinburgh to which people are already being referred by the courts to be put on workfare while being ‘treated’ for addictions.

    Rather than the (bog) standard CBT brainwashing (which is useless enough), they use a technique known as the Transtheoretical Method – better known as the Shock Doctrine. This involves traumatising people (they don’t say how) until they mentally dissociate, creating an alter personality (as in Multiple Personality Disorder/DID) which can be reprogrammed as a good little slavey. Should a person resist they can go to jail, as well as risking sanctions. It goes without saying that nobody referred to these programmes is in any position to give informed consent.

    Upgrading addicts into zombie drones may appear to cosmetically ‘fix’ damaged people in the short term, but in the long term their pre-existing mental health issues will be complicated by the deliberately induced post traumatic stress and dissociative disorders inflicted as a ‘cure’. It boils down to poor people being processed like livestock and no longer considered human. Incidentally no staff there seem to be medically trained in any way, exactly like the Jobcentres”.

    Article:

    http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2014/11/25/jobcentre-busy-bodies-to-outrank-healthcare-professionals-in-treatment-for-addictions/

    Tobanem

    December 13, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    • If this is true of shock doctrine then I fear they will brake many claimants.

      Shock doctrine like any torture, yes torture, is beatable but it requires a finesse of mind, something I sadly see almost nothing of in claimants in my area and suspect elsewhere.

      Their is both literature of practice and resistance but whether the many can grasp it remains to be seen.

      gaia

      December 14, 2014 at 9:36 pm

      • “Any torture”?!… like water-boarding, Catherine’s Wheel, the rack…. ?

        Torturer-in-Chief

        December 15, 2014 at 12:18 pm

      • “Any torture is beatable?!”… such as the work programme, mwa, cwp, daily-signing, 35 hours a week jobsearch… ?

        CWP Victim

        December 15, 2014 at 3:40 pm

  5. Jobseekers should not be bullied,encouraged same meaning in my eyes into accepting ZERO HOURS contract.When you sign a jobseekers aggreement you sign for full time work a PROPER JOB.When you sign a jobseekers aggreement you are signing away your right to privacy. Your cv health record criminal record, They are disclosed to a parasite companys milking ONLY FREE,cheap labour and subserdies from jobcentre plus and work progam providers like a4e and cdg maximus.
    You are also giving your advisor the power to turn off your benefits like a tap cutting the water supply.The differance is if you work you are guarantted your money at the jobcentre sanction appeal can take as much as12 months because a malicious advisor from jobcentre or work program does not like your face,or your personality.Dont forget jobcentre advisors have there own phycological problems racist views as well. So please beware which contract you sign or who you trade with otherwise you will lose your mind, your refreshing sleep, peace of mind,You will be a slave to the system for life.I dont want non of this thats why im in work.I feel sorry for the road sweeper who has been laid off because of government cuts and has to accept such a nazi regime like jobcentreplus.
    If you are drug addict jobcentreplus may be your place until you can be cured.However large coporations should not be milking free cheap labour from these people it is disgusting.

    TONY MONTANA

    December 14, 2014 at 10:30 am

  6. I had my benefits stopped back in December 2012 by Fiona Howlett who works at Lowestoft, DWP because I was lodging on the settee of a friends, Just because she did not believe me, then she said the Kitchen was to small for 2 people to cook in, and the Lies, excuses from this Howlett lady rolled out. I am 56 years old and for the last 2 years have been forced to break the law to get money so I can eat, buy toiletries. Basically my life has become hell, a living nightmare. And every night before I fall asleep on the settee, I hope and prey I DIE in my sleep. Such a sad country we live in now days unless you are rich.

    for what it’s worth, Merry Christmas to all.

    Mr. X

    December 14, 2014 at 11:16 am

    • And a Very Merry Christmas to you Mr. X 🙂

      Father Christmas

      December 14, 2014 at 11:55 am

    • How a person lives and where is of no jurisdiction of DWP unless you are claiming universal credit and even then you have to be in receipt of housing benefit which I imagine your not Mr x while sleeping on anothers sofa. Your also exempt from community tax.

      It matters not what a advisor believes as like I said, it has nothing to do with them period stroke period.

      Ask yourself this question Mr x, can an advisor force you to take out a benefit like in this case housing, because they cant and further still imagine the press if they attempted to sanction you for not taking out housing benefit.

      Had you had the foresight you would have answered then how do you propose to make me take out housing benefit but you didn’t so do the following.

      Look, pursue the appeal , bring out the cause and its a slam dunk victory for you, end of.

      gaia

      December 14, 2014 at 9:55 pm

  7. Word of warning. Be very careful what you divulge to your GP. Mine discovered that I use a small amount of Cannabis occasionally and buy one packet of duty-free baccy per fortnight and threatened to have me either Sectioned or jailed. Tell them fuck all. Doctors cannot be trusted.

    Landless Peasant

    December 14, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    • Doctors make you fucking ill LP! The most healthy people visit the doctor least. It is like dentists – they destroy your teeth. That is why mens teeth last longer than womens – men visit the dentist less often! Never trust anyone in a white coat – it is all about money. One business model to the next… the food industry makes money selling you shite food to make you ill > big pharma makes big money selling drugs to shorten your lifespan > the coffin manufacturer makes their money….

      Never Trust a Doctor

      December 14, 2014 at 3:28 pm

      • The whole GP private practice set up needs changing.

        They pretty much run on a 1-2-3 step system….

        1) its pretty much nothing, “any problems don’t hesitate to come back”
        2) oh, might be something serious, prescribe antibiotics etc
        3) not working? ah, probably serious, will refer you to hospital for a scan

        It seems all they want to do is get rid of you. If its a serious thing could delay someone a few months for proper diagnosis and treatment. Some of the most common schoolboy-errors made by GPs is if the symptoms match a specific condition that commonly affects people at a certain age and the patient isn’t that age, then it cannot possible be that. In many cases, despite being least common, it probably is.

        Unless you are elderly, then seeing a GP becomes more of a guaranteed 30 minute+ slot just to have a “friendly” chat.

        If you are younger, then you wait 2 weeks for an appointment, which lasts like 5 minutes, and god-forbid should you ask about something else while you are there (considering you haven’t spent much time) – they hate that lol

        Its a disgraceful system. I cannot really see why the NHS doesn’t incorporate GPs in a big centre alongside a minor injuries unit for each town. It would level out delays in seeing a GP by increased availability, providing better healthcare and reducing the numbers of people in A&E.

        Universal Jobmatch

        December 14, 2014 at 4:52 pm

      • Doctors make you ill…..it’s even worse than that:

        http://www.madinamerica.com/2012/02/why-anti-authoritarians-are-diagnosed-as-mentally-ill/

        The above article is about what’s happening in USA but it’s going on here too.

        Landless Peasant

        December 14, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    • I would imagine day one of this health crap, the numbers of people saying their an addict would have dropped.

      As the law currently stands it is NOT a CRIME to be under the effects of cannabis unless in charge and use of heavy machinery is in play (transport act I believe).

      It is HOWEVER illegal to be in possession of said substance.

      It is also NOT illegal to be under the influence of alcohol unless in charge or use of heavy machinery meaning you can quite legally be pissed or stoned and go to work outside of this small sector like admin for example.

      Obviously your GP in unaware of this along with no one is being charged for possession of contraband as they wouldn’t have made a tit of themselves stating calling the police.
      Also local GPs cant section people, theirs a special body of people who deal with that.

      gaia

      December 15, 2014 at 7:55 am

  8. OFF TOPIC

    Incase any miss pirate bay might remember I said p2p is like marvels hydra well so as not to disappoint heres one of them

    http://oldpiratebay.org/

    gaia

    December 14, 2014 at 9:27 pm

  9. Benefits cap getting more claimants to work.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30470116

    If you want DWP paperwork

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/benefit-cap-evaluation

    gaia

    December 15, 2014 at 6:42 am

    • Worthy of note on my above post is that as far back as Feb 2014 both government and IFS forecast that the cap effected around 40’000 families. The actual figure at first was 38’000 which again changed to 36,471. Now interestingly nearly half of this figure was families in London.

      Ive only briefly gazed at the governments documents which can be downloaded but it appears they only polled a 1’200 families meaning if we take IFS s 38’000, that only comes to a mere 3.16% of the group.

      Secondly this poll like any poll relies on honesty so tell me if you were presented with the question are you looking for work by the benefits office, what would you answer ?

      Now don’t read into this to hard as like I said I only glanced as I already have a backlog what with going through labour market stats Feb 2011 to Sept 2014 for the run up to elections so perhaps your all discover the truth as to whether or not these DWP figures actually really mean anything.

      gaia

      December 15, 2014 at 9:54 am

      • Addition to last post

        Sorry im in such a hurry I messed up, but in reference to the 40 38 thousand comment according to todays BBC article this figure as some how dropped 10’000 families to 27’000

        These numbers incase any don’t know represent the total amount of families figured to be effected by the cap.

        gaia

        December 15, 2014 at 10:36 am

  10. Tobanem

    December 15, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    • If the police can get away with unjust brutality and murder, the government torture, what hope do you think will come no matter what the report says.

      British people by far and large are jellyfish, cowards to the pound so until they learn to sacrifice for the greater good, no change will come.

      gaia

      December 16, 2014 at 12:13 am

  11. For Attention of Andrew Coates.

    DWP says “no legal requirement for Jobseeker’s Allowance claimants to undertake 35 hours of Work Search…each week”

    Posted on 15/12/2014 by http://www.refuted.org.uk

    “As there is no legal requirement for Jobseeker’s Allowance claimants to undertake 35 hours of Work Search Activity each week, no legislation or national guidance stating otherwise exists.”

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/243530/response/596234/attach/html/3/5312%20reply.pdf.html

    Above quote is despite Jobcentre ‘Advisers’/Work coaches seeking to impose a 35 hour a week Jobsearch requirement for JSA, when such a requirement only exists for Universal Credit and disclosing information that the 35 requirement exists for ‘New Style JSA’

    http://refuted.org.uk/2014/12/15/thirty-five/

    Department for Work and Pensions (DWP)

    Central Freedom of Information Team.

    [DWP request email]

    Our reference: VTR 5312
    Date: 15 December 2014

    Dear Adam

    Thank you for your Freedom of Information request received on 10 December
    2014. You stated:

    Please disclose any Jobseeker’s Allowance guidance for JCP Work Coaches
    and Advisers that discusses making it a requirement for JSA claimers to
    spend 35 hours a week on work search, including full info on the laws and
    regulations that explicitly state this 35 hours rule can be imposed for JSA
    claimers not on any supervised jobsearch pilot. No info about Universal Credit
    required. The PCS Union has published this.

    “The GEC has been made aware that in some areas Work Coaches are being told by managers that they must impose 35 hour Jobsearch requirement on claimants. This is not required by current legislation for JSA claimants, and it is not with the remit of F&F.”

    http://www.pcs.org.uk/en/department_for_work_and_pensions_group/dwp-
    news.cfm/work-services-update

    As there is no legal requirement for Jobseeker’s Allowance claimants to undertake 35 hours of Work Search Activity each week, no legislation or national guidance stating otherwise exists.

    If you have any queries about this letter please contact us quoting the reference number above.

    Yours sincerely,

    DWP Central FoI Team

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/243530/response/596234/attach/html/3/5312%20reply.pdf.html

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    December 15, 2014 at 4:17 pm

  12. Off message, but does anyone here know of anybody who has been put on this 35 hour a week work search thing?

    super ted's old nan

    December 15, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    • This appeared today on refuted.org.uk:

      DWP says “no legal requirement for Jobseeker’s Allowance claimants to undertake 35 hours of Work Search…each week”

      http://refuted.org.uk/2014/12/15/thirty-five/

      But does it also refer to UC claimants as well?

      Parker Pyne

      December 15, 2014 at 5:48 pm

      • No, UC Claimants are required to do the 35 hour a week jobsearch, But JSA claimants don’t have to.

        JCP Work Coaches and JCP Advisers have lied to everyone on JSA under threat from the JCP Managers.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        December 15, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    • I’m on JSA and have been instructed by Westfield House Jobcentre, Manningham Lane, Bradford, that I MUST spend 35 hours per week looking for a job from 9 – 5.

      Landless Peasant

      December 16, 2014 at 1:47 am

  13. cant see the jcp ever enforcing the 35hr a week js as they will not pay the bus fair to get to the jcp every day to use there iads.

    i said bring it on a year ago and lasted for just over a week then went back to every 2 weeks as back then they never even had any iads to use so just signed and went home. they did say they would sit there with me and monitor me on them but they have not got the staff to even try it or enough iads as there are only 6 on the first floor now and they can only mandate you to use them at the jcp and not at a providers office or 3rd party.

    now that the podium is gone g4s are now getting and handing out forms that you use to get from the podium its a fkn joke.

    im now on my 5th work coach at my jcp and they have nothing left to send me to now so sign and go.

    super ted

    December 15, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    • If anyones in doubt about this 35 hour rule will drawing JSA, just get a copy of the Jobseekers act and when an advisor starts their bull, just hand them the copy and say please demonstrate this to be so and I would be happy to comply.

      If they refuse call the manager and see if their dumb enough to commit the same crime. If you can record this from the moment you know the advisor has lied then do so. If they say you cant record remind them that under the DPA, section 4, a data subjects rights are forfeited the moment they are under suspicion of a criminal act which fraud is unless you wish to confess you have no idea what the jobseeker regs actually state in this instance.

      As for supervised that’s under a direction or mandate so like MWA can send you to do one as they will no doubt claim its just coincidence and have you for failure to participate.

      gaia

      December 16, 2014 at 12:08 am

  14. Giving free money to europe and starving your own people with sanction is treason.The problem is these people are to powerfull to stuck up to accept responsibility or accountability.
    The jobcentre is a group of organisations that receive privilliged protection from our 2 tear police system all you have to do is answer a security guard back or jobcentre advisor the wrong way and you will be accused of threatening, abusive, behaviour fully endorsed by the metropolitan police.
    You do not question authority or you will be wrongfully accused of the above you are not allowed your opinion even without a swear word.
    However if you do raise your voice, swear in the jobcentre thats your problem dont cry wolf.
    People who are clever with the words not used thereaning language have still been accused of section 5 public order act without proper evidence and lies from group 4 security guards and jobcentre staff.

    TONY MONTANA

    December 16, 2014 at 6:17 am

  15. Try calling the police when your nan has been assaulted or mugged or your house being burgled or expensive cycle stolen note the police responce time compared with the jobcentre responce time.

    TONY MONTANA

    December 16, 2014 at 6:29 am

  16. Tobanem

    December 16, 2014 at 9:34 am

    • Regarding the above report about the pregnant woman who was sanctioned for declaring she was pregnant, do you remember the case of the zero hours contract employee at Sports Direct who gave birth in a Sports Direct toilet on New Year’s Day while working?

      Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

      Tobanem

      December 16, 2014 at 10:01 am

    • Words don’t fail us – we will reproduce the post!

      Andrew Coates

      December 16, 2014 at 10:07 am

  17. Iain Duncan Smiths re-ignites row over food banks in North East.

    Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith was slammed by food bank campaigners after claiming it was wrong to say people relied on them as a result of benefits sanctions.

    His comments came after a Church of England-backed report showed how delays in welfare payments and sanctioning of claimants were key factors behind people using food banks.

    Matthew King, assistant manager at Newcastle’s West End food bank – the busiest in the country – said the minister was not telling the whole story.

    He said: “Mr Duncan Smith is being economical with the truth. Unfortunately he’s got quite a track record with this subject of being very selective with his facts.”

    Matthew King said the people he sees at his West End food bank, which helps around 1,000 households every week, are suffering as a result of benefit sanctions.

    He said: “The majority of the people who come to us are subjected to benefits delays and sanctions, or reductions because of the bedroom tax.

    “They are really struggling to cope and to put food on the table.”

    http://www.thejournal.co.uk/north-east-analysis/analysis-news/iain-duncan-smiths-re-ignites-row-8294420

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    December 16, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    • Its amazing how he mentions Germany yet when other countries were mentioned as regards drugs law reform, the government didn’t want to listen.

      When I hear someone lie then lie again I look for every skeleton yet todate despite a deluge of damning evidence on just about every thing government is doing, the public do nothing on mass.

      gaia

      December 16, 2014 at 6:03 pm

  18. Obi Wan Kenobi

    December 16, 2014 at 12:48 pm


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