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Cuts to Employment and Support Allowance: More Cruelty from Coalition.

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More cruelty from the Liberal-Conservative coalition.

The BBC says,

Ministers are considering drastically cutting the main Employment and Support Allowance sickness benefit, internal documents seen by the BBC suggest.

New claimants, judged to be capable of work with appropriate support, could be given just 50p more per week than people on job seekers allowance.

Current recipients get almost £30 per week more.

The Department for Work and Pensions said the ESA proposals were not government policy.

The papers reveal that the government has also been forced to hire extra staff to clear the backlog on the benefit.

Some 100 healthcare professionals are being hired to carry out fitness-for-work tests. The staff, who will be employed through the Pertemps agency, will help to reduce a backlog of more than 600,000 cases.

They will be in addition to any extra staff brought in when a new contractor is announced shortly to replace ATOS. The BBC understands that the American firm, Maximus, has been selected.

Leaked documents this summer showed that ministers considered ESA – formerly known as incapacity benefit – to be “one of the largest fiscal risks currently facing the government”.

They also revealed concerns about claimants moving off jobseekers allowance onto ESA.

Giving consideration to cutting the differential paid to ESA recipients in the Work Related Activity Group (WRAG) – individuals who have to prepare for employment – is a reflection of that concern.

They currently get £28.75 more per week but the documents show plans are being discussed to cut that to just 50p more than jobseekers allowance. People receiving JSA, who are aged 25 or over, currently get £72.40 per week.

Employment and Support Allowance is paid to approximately two million people. Claimants have to undergo a work capability assessment to determine whether they are eligible and at what level.

Labour MP Dame Anne Begg, who chairs the Commons Work and Pensions Select Committee, said she would support overhauling the delivery of ESA but “did not envisage” any reduction in the value of the benefit.

“That’s not reform, that is just saving money. I hope that is not something the government is going to come forward with.”

The Guardian reports.

Government ‘considered cuts to employment and support allowance’

Internal documents seen by BBC suggest officials considered cutting ESA by as much as £30 so it is effectively worth the same as jobseeker’s allowance.
The government is considering cutting the value of the main employment and support allowance (ESA) sickness benefit by as much as £30 so that it is effectively worth the same as jobseeker’s allowance, internal documents seen by the BBC suggest.

New claimants, judged to be capable of work with appropriate support, could be given just 50p more per week than people on jobseeker’s allowance (JSA).

The Department for Work and Pensions said the ESA proposals were not government policy, but that they reflected ministers’ search for a solution to the backlog of claims for ESA and its higher than forecast cost. George Osborne, the chancellor, has said he is seeking a £12bn cut in the welfare bill, and has so far identified a quarter of these cuts mainly through freezing the value of most benefits for two years.

The DWP has been struggling with ESA ever since it replaced incapacity benefit. The main contractor, Atos, quit the contract assessing claimants after a massive backlog built up and criticism grew of the way in which the medical assessments were made. The backlog is currently running at more than 600,000. It is thought an American firm, Maximus, has been selected to replace Atos.

Government officials will be looking at cutting the value of ESA, partly because of concern that JSA claimants are moving off JSA to claim the higher value ESA.

The government will be focusing on the differential paid to ESA recipients in the Work Related Activity Group (WRAG) – individuals who have to prepare for employment.

Those in the WRAG group currently get £28.75 more per week than people receiving JSA, who are aged 25 or over, who currently get £72.40 per week.

The ESA is paid to approximately 2 million people. Claimants have to undergo a work capability assessment to determine whether they are eligible and at what level.

It never ends does it?

Can they go any lower?

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Written by Andrew Coates

October 30, 2014 at 11:22 am

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  1. I was wrong: they can go lower,

    “Stockton’s Tory MP James Wharton has become embroiled in a row with organisers of a clothes bank – outside his constituency.

    Mr Wharton, MP for Stockton South, said there was “more than a hint of party politics” about the launch of the County Durham Socialist Clothes Bank “six months before an election”.

    “This is as much about making statements about politics as it is about doing good things,” he told a local TV news station.

    “I welcome one, I’m not convinced about the other.”

    “But his comments have landed him in trouble with the Durham Unite Community, whose members coordinate the clothes bank.

    Unite Community is a non-industrial section of the Unite union “created to empower people outside the labour market to use the trade union values of solidarity and collective action to improve their own and others’ situations”.

    Members said Mr Wharton had “shamed himself” with his comments.

    Said a spokesperson: “To seek to undermine the huge amount of voluntary effort spent by our members getting the clothes bank up and running in order to score cheap political points is unacceptable.

    “Helping out fellow human beings in times of need, as our members are doing through the clothes bank, is something that politicians of all parties should be applauding rather than cynically trying to denigrate their efforts in the way James Wharton MP has done.”

    Mr Wharton told the Gazette he did “support all well intended community efforts”, but said he wondered why “they also need to issue highly political press releases to go with them”.

    He hit back: “There are six months to go until the election and sadly it appears the unions are going to be fighting a particularly nasty and personal campaign.

    “Hijacking good causes to launch their attacks is particularly shameful.

    “All I can ask is that if any of the left wing unions issue statements about me which concern or worry anyone in Stockton South then people who read them consider contacting me for the truth before drawing conclusions.”

    “http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/politics-behind-socialist-clothes-bank-8018086

    Andrew Coates

    October 30, 2014 at 11:31 am

  2. This is going to happen and it should happen. It will have the full support of the public at large and the unemployed. ESA was never intended as a long-term benefit as in the case of pension credit hence the higher rate; rather it it is intended to help claimants of this benefit back into work which it has patently failed in. But you have to ask yourself the question why should an ESA claimant be be paid £30 a week more simply for having a ‘back back’ or ‘depression’? Of course it would be better to raise JSA in line with ESA but like the public at large jobseekers cannot see the justification for this discrepancy. Why should my alcoholic neighbour receive more money than an industrious jobseeker? There is absolutely no justification whatsoever for the higher rate of JSA. In general I don’t agree with government policy particular when it comes to welfare but in this instance I fully support this initiate by the government!

    Flibbert

    October 30, 2014 at 11:49 am

    • Spoken like someone who has no idea what their talking about and no im not on ESA, im on JSA and submit around 100 applications a week, every week but rather than hear it from me I will sit back and let a well informed ESA claimant spell it out for you so you can hear it from the horses mouth.

      I will however comment on the back and depression. Back problems are more common than you obviously know as I myself have a recurring one but as im a stubborn git don’t report it to DWP as I mask it with drugs. The downside of that is its getting worse as a result but thats my choice so my misfortune but non the less demonstrates what happens when you ignore it. As for depression your view seems to see it as a in your head thing when infact in a lot of cases is a physical thing dew to imbalances in the brain meaning the person in a conscious sense has absolutely no control over it. Even with todays medicine no actual out and out cure exists besides attempting to control the level from being excessive in one direction or the other.

      I don’t wish to supress you view but clearly you have given no thought to the subject or have allowed yourself to be misinformed.

      gaia

      October 30, 2014 at 12:33 pm

      • Spoken like someone who has never been on benefits!

        Clay M

        October 30, 2014 at 1:24 pm

      • I’m on ESA and have been for 4 months of my life, yes 4 months, in 40 odd years, when I was given a note by my doctor 5 months ago stating that I could not work, (rheumatoid arthritis) I was speechless, this was the very first time in my life that someone was telling me I couldn’t work, I did not want a note stating that I couldn’t work, because I like to work. a workaholic never want’s to stop.

        Soon after the start of ESA, I seen a health adviser in the local jobcentre, who asked me if I would like to apply for DLA. to this I said “no, because I don’t need it.

        I don’t like ESA, neither do I like JSA, because they are benefits.

        enigma

        October 30, 2014 at 5:33 pm

      • If I had a pound everytime some said that since ive been posting this site ( that’s years clay M, not days), I would be a rich man. All you’ve done is join a long list who tried that chestnut and are nolonger here or as outspoken on the matter you mention.

        This banter of why should ESA get more than JSA and this reminds me of a comment Lucy once said will only cause a divide between the ranks of those fighting welfare reform if we allow it to take a grip. A point of fact would be your comment on whether or not im receiving benefits which I can assure you officially I am as who really cares when the stance is are you for the treatment that benefit claimants receive or not.

        If you want the public to be involved not that the majority are currently dew to the lies of the tories then your going about it in the wrong way.

        I personally welcome any contribution a member of the public that isn’t receiving benefits gives and openly educate such public in my area to limit the damage caused by government comments.

        I even did make a declaration on this website as I do work on and off because of the nature of the contract (contract to provide services) I work under when not tendering myself as we don’t get employment contracts, that working or not I will always support the fight against the injustice this government has brought on the unemployed and soon various other benefit claimers when UC comes in beyond its current trial.

        If you don’t like that then im afraid your just going to have to deal with it as you are im afraid powerless to effect the outcome of me supplying essential legal advice that many have thanked me for.

        gaia

        October 30, 2014 at 5:47 pm

      • I do not care what you say, you must understand that, you have nothing but complaints, about absolutely everything, nothing but misery.

        You can have the last word, as you always like to have.

        enigma

        October 30, 2014 at 6:13 pm

      • Derr, the whole site is a gripe against injustice, really enigma your lack of understanding really knows no bounds but I suppose that’s why you call yourself enigma as its definition states after all

        a person or thing that is mysterious or difficult to understand

        Which I suppose is quite apt as you often make little to no sense like just now.

        gaia

        October 30, 2014 at 6:36 pm

      • That’s right, keep going.

        enigma

        October 30, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    • You are right: we should not all get an extra £30 a week.

      The current rate of JSA is too low to sustain a normal existence.

      It has been even more eroded by the fact that we have to pay part of the Council Tax – up to 30% in some places (Harrow).

      There has been no increase to deal with inflation and rising bills.

      But the fact is that people on ESA has even more costs – too obvious to spell out.

      Andrew Coates

      October 30, 2014 at 12:52 pm

      • I think we both know no benefits are going to increase any time soon and using the ESA claimants as a platform to justify it is pretty weak, especially when you yourself have actually quoted the infirm in many of your articles to further your own site popularity.

        Don’t be a tory Andrew, it doesn’t suit you.

        gaia

        October 30, 2014 at 5:51 pm

    • Agree though that JSA should be at least what is currently paid in ESA. £70 a week is a piss-take. This is like the pension age scandal when instead of lowering the pension age for men the European Court increased it for women. ESA claimants should have been more vocal in securing an increase in JSA instead of just sitting back and assuming that they were somehow ‘entitled’ to more money than a jobseeker.

      Clay M

      October 30, 2014 at 1:31 pm

      • Of course this was bound to happen, only a matter of time. If you leave a ‘gap’ market forces/the DWP will fill it.

        Stockbroker

        October 30, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    • Also my neighbour is on the current ESA and has been on earlier similar benefits for 18 years, he has a carer every morning, when he receives his benefits, DLA included, he walks to the super market, and a long the beach, he spends what he has left on alcohol because he is an alcoholic, he drinks this alcohol because he can, so there is nothing wrong with his hands, arms or legs with all that walking.

      I agree too that people like that should not receive any extra benefit than that of JSA.

      enigma

      October 30, 2014 at 2:14 pm

      • if you count having broken 3 of the lower vertebrae and crushed two of the upper ones leading permanent nerve damage elsewhere as having a ‘bad’ back I would just like to point out exercise and walking is recommend because if you don’t move you stiffen up and that hurts a lot worse.

        growls

        October 31, 2014 at 12:21 am

      • It is also recommended to help combat depression for a number of reasons. So if you want to swap I will quite happily swap a ‘bad’ back and pain killers for being able to run again

        growls

        October 31, 2014 at 12:24 am

      • I understand what your saying, this man I was talking about earlier who can walk, lift etc, then he is able to work, which will be better for him and a lot of other people. just like myself with rheumatoid arthritis.

        enigma

        October 31, 2014 at 5:12 am

      • Hi Growls, nice to hear your voice again.

        I don’t know about you Growls but it never ceases to amaze me how so many non doctors seem to know whats what when we talk about the human body. Its a known fact that two areas that science still knows very little about is the back and brain yet look how it all to often becomes an INCONVENIENT TRUTH when doling out advice. For the record I hope to god they end up sorting it as I would give anything to have mine fixed.

        Movement granted works for inflamed issues but say when mine flares up and I haven’t taken my pills in time as it does occur when im asleep (i have the correct mattress) , no amount of walking will shift it dew to the paralyse and shooting pain it causes.

        Another INCONVENIENT TRUTH is where most back problems occur which is work so forgive me but im going to find a corner and have a good laugh while reading a health and safety manual, section manual lifting.

        gaia

        October 31, 2014 at 9:43 am

  3. THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH

    OOps, tories hand caught in the cookie jar again

    You know you just cant make this stuff up can you as parties place the publics interests second to their chances of securing election. Hardly a day goes by where another suppressed document/data gets uncovered leading to what can only be compared to rhetoric reminiscent of two young children arguing.

    Surely its time the public saw todays politicians for what they really are which is self serving bigots.

    From rising suicides and violence in jails, home office backlogs, unsubstantiated drug views, rising shoplifting for food, rising malnutrition, incorrectly administered medical tests, the list is utterly endless and without doubt based on a parties personal political view rather than the underline evidence.

    gaia

    October 30, 2014 at 12:13 pm

  4. “will only apply to new claimants” lol ALL ESA claimants will be new claimants within a few months just as soon as they fail the ATOS WCA and are booted off ESA, win appeal, then have to make a NEW claim to ESA. Fuckers!

    ESA

    October 30, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    • And when those who are on ESA get referred to a work plan, no matter what name they use for this, Maximus will be behind it all.

      enigma

      October 31, 2014 at 11:00 pm

  5. Of general interest,

    Commons Select Committee.

    At 9.30am, Wednesday 5 November, Grimond Room, Portcullis House

    Department for Work and Pensions

    Iain Duncan Smith questioned on DWP Annual Report and Accounts

    Rt Hon Iain Duncan Smith MP, Secretary of State
    Robert Devereux, Permanent Secretary
    Mike Driver, Finance Director General
    Purpose of the session
    This session is intended to be wide-ranging, covering the expenditure and administration of the Department for Work and Pensions across its areas of responsibility. The issues the session will cover are likely to include:

    Overall welfare spending and plans for further reductions
    Off-payroll arrangements of DWP staff
    Contribution of DWP policies to increase in employment rate
    Employment programmes
    Impact on expenditure of changed timescales for implementing benefit reforms: Universal Credit, Personal Independence Payment and ESA/Incapacity Benefit migration
    Progress with child maintenance reforms
    Local welfare provision
    Housing Benefit fraud and error

    Andrew Coates

    October 30, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    • Can’t wait for that one.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      October 30, 2014 at 5:20 pm

    • With a bit of luck there’ll be some fireworks.

      Another Fine Mess

      October 30, 2014 at 11:18 pm

  6. Class War parliamentary candidate for Chingford and Woodford Green to take part in demonstration.

    An anarchist former playboy model has vowed to disrupt a Chingford jobs fair organised by MP Iain Duncan Smith.

    Marina Pepper, who is to stand against the Chingford & Woodford Green MP in next year’s general election for Class War, plans to confront the work and pensions secretary during’The Reckoning’ on the government’s welfare reforms, low pay and ‘zero-hour’ contracts.

    The 47-year-old said she will be supported by Class War colleagues and group Disabled People Against Cuts (DPAC) at the jobs fair, which is due to feature John Lewis, McDonald’s, British Gas, Barts Health NHS Trust, Walthamstow’s new Empire Cinema and the Ministry of Justice.

    Mr Duncan Smith will launch the event at the Assembly Hall in Station Road on November 14.

    She said: “This is an opportunity for all to express how they feel.

    “This will be the launch of my parliamentary campaign – a proper opening gambit of knocking Iain Duncan Smith of his incumbent perch.

    “We will be coming into the Assembly Hall and hoping to talk to employers about paying the living wage and abolishing zero-hour contracts.

    “I anticipate he might go screaming from the building.”

    “I have a long history, taking non-violent direct action.”

    Waltham Forest Police have said they will implement plans accordingly but refused to release any details.

    http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/11566036.Anarchist_former_model_to_protest_at_IDS_jobs_fair/

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 30, 2014 at 5:31 pm

  7. All you English readers, don’t forget how important Scotland is in winning the next general election for Labour.

    Unfortunately, the political climate in Scotland at the moment is turning against Labour – making a Tory (or Tory/UKIP) victory in England (and hence Britain) all the more likely at the General Election next May.

    Latest report and poll here:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/30/labour-party-poll-scotland-wipeout_n_6075488.html?ncid=webmail1

    Labour are reported to be in a “dreadful position”!

    Tobanem

    October 30, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    • I’m hoping

      enigma

      October 30, 2014 at 6:26 pm

    • One thing is certain. Scotland will not be regarded as a “branch office” again!

      Tobanem

      October 30, 2014 at 6:33 pm

      • As it shouldn’t be.

        enigma

        October 30, 2014 at 6:47 pm

  8. WARNING TO ALL NEW CLAIMANTS

    DWP have it appears moved the goalpost to disincentivising the recently unemployed before they have already claimed.
    Just as with the already existing claimant DWP has adopted the same strategy of lying, misleading and attempted frustration methods.

    One I wish to draw particular attention to is the DPA1CONSENTFORM 02/11 titled

    CONSENT FOR SENSITIVE INFORMATION TO BE HELD ON THE JOBCENTRE PLUS LABOUR MARKET SYSTEM (LMS) DATABASE

    Firstly the wording is misleading and you only have to take a look at definitions on the DPA to see this. Under the act sensitive and personal are legally viewed as to separate instances of data. Now you will see on the form for instance a reference calling it anonymous data yet later when consenting gets mention refer to it as I quote “sensitive personal data”.
    The two phrase DO NOT mean the SAME THING as under the act personal is denoted as any two pieces of information that identifies an individual as that said individual so can hardly be said to be ANONYMOUS .

    Also advisors have in a veil attempt left the form near to end and tagged in to a list of other signatures hoping the prospective soon to be claimant will just sign it. They have even adopted the approach of folding it to obscure a vital fact contained within that states I quote

    IF YOU REFUSE TO GIVE CONSENT, IT WILL NOT AFFECT YOUR ENTITLEMENT TO BENEFIT.

    You DO NOT have to SIGN this and I strongly urge you not to.

    gaia

    October 30, 2014 at 6:25 pm

    • Do JCs still use LMS?
      I think they stopped some time ago when they got the monster ujm junk.

      Another Fine Mess

      October 30, 2014 at 11:14 pm

      • Sorry Another fine mess I didn’t notice your post.

        I can only say in my area they are still on the old legacy system as well as UJM.

        gaia

        October 31, 2014 at 1:16 pm

  9. This government truly hates disabled people.

    Thomas M

    October 30, 2014 at 6:30 pm

    • Not just the disabled.

      enigma

      October 30, 2014 at 6:48 pm

  10. A couple of people posting on hear have said they have been given the option by there work coaches to either find voluntary work to do or be put on an MWA. My work coach did this to me. I didn’t think she was being unreasonable so I complied. I am now volunteering with a local charity for two days a week. Although technically speaking, I am not actually “volunteering” because I have been compelled to approach this charity under threat of an MWA if I don’t. They don’t know this, obviously.

    I filled in a Jobcentre form called “Volunteering when claiming benefits or National Insurance credits”, which I thought would be enough to keep her satisfied. Not so.

    My work coach now wants me to provide her with evidence that I am actually doing voluntary work. Today she issued me with a Jobseeker’s Direction to provide this evidence. She said this can take the form of a note from the charity on there stationary saying that the work I am doing for them is unpaid and voluntary. By telling me to do this she has put me in an impossible position, and I think she knows it. If I ask the charity to do this, it will blow my cover – so to speak. They’ll know I am not a real volunteer. They’ll know I was forced to go to them. My position will then be untenable. I’ll have to leave with my tail between my legs. I won’t be able to face them.

    I have a week to comply with the direction. What do I do? Anyone got any suggestions, as this is driving me around the bend. If am referred to a decision maker, what do I do? I haven’t got a bloody clue. I won’t be sleeping at all this weekend. Right now I feel like throwing up.

    Carol

    October 30, 2014 at 7:31 pm

    • Carol

      It’s understandable that you don’t want to be on a MWA because it won’t be your choice, so this leaves you with the only other option of being a volunteer, which is your choice, you have asked us, anyone on here for a possible solution to the problem of you telling your adviser that you are a volunteer (which you are not) and have actually filled in a form stating that you are a volunteer, (because you don’t want to be referred to a MWA) you have already thought of a solution to your problem, which I think you know is the only solution, but finding someone in the voluntary place, (that you told your adviser and also filled in the details of in that form), to lie for you, where by someone writes a letter for you stating that you volunteer there, at such times and on such days, this you need for your adviser for it will get you out of being put on a MWA, as you know, the question is though, will someone lie for you.

      Volunteer somewhere. I mean really!

      If only you were already a volunteer, all this (your problem) would not have appeared.

      enigma

      October 31, 2014 at 6:02 am

      • Carol

        The form that you filled in, try super ted links below, they may be able to help you out with that.

        enigma

        October 31, 2014 at 6:58 am

      • You can be seen by a different adviser, it’s up to you, not them.

        enigma

        October 31, 2014 at 7:56 am

      • Excuse me enigma and at this juncture im not stifling your opinion nor even saying it either way but can you in her post demonstrate where you believe she hasn’t volunteered ?

        gaia

        October 31, 2014 at 9:51 am

      • “I am not actually “volunteering”

        “They’ll know I am not a real volunteer”

        “but can you in her post demonstrate where you believe she hasn’t volunteered” ? I can see it.

        enigma

        October 31, 2014 at 9:01 pm

    • Carol:

      Listen up. My work coach said the same thing to me recently. Either find voluntary work or she would put me on an MWA. I called her bluff. I told her to refer me to a provider. That was 3 appointments ago, since then I’ve heard nothing. She’s gone strangely quiet on the subject. If you check out he MWA guidelines you’ll see that they’re pretty thin on the ground and the work coach should only refer you as a last resort. And if she does refer you, don’t sign the provider’s data protection waiver and when they ask you about your circumstances for the purposes of form-filling, just say “I do not consent to share that information with you”. make it clear that you’re only there because it’s a mandatory appointment and you’ve been told in writing that if you fail to attend without good reason your benefit may be stopped.

      Check out super ted, enigma and gaia’s postings on the last 3 or 4 blogs on this website. They’re packed with useful information.

      jj joop

      October 31, 2014 at 7:46 am

      • It clearly states in the MWA guidance that an adviser may ‘Not’ just drop an MWA on you:

        An MWA referral must never come as a ‘surprise’ to a claimant.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        October 31, 2014 at 10:13 am

      • Carol:

        If your adviser says they are going to refer you for a sanction, say to him/her;

        “before you do that I would like to see and speak to your manager and discuss the situation with them”

        They can’t refuse you this, just remember to have all your jobsearch with you, argue your point calmly and say that your:

        “beginning to feel coerced/forced into accepting an MWA which is against the MWA guidance rules and regs and that your going to get your MP involved”

        (Scare’s them to death that one)

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        October 31, 2014 at 10:32 am

  11. why would it be a problem to get a cove letter from the place you work at, i mean if they then decide to get rid of you because you are on the dole and only doing it to get out of mwa you will just get sent to a charity shop food bank ect for just 4 weeks any way.

    plus you can tell ur cockroach they lost you ur job as well 🙂

    and ask them this question if you have to work for free why dont the cockroach work for free at the jcp and get dole to live on like we do.

    and also have they asked you in righting for this proof/evidence if not refuse till it is then take it from there.

    also give these guys an email and they will help you out.
    https://jobseekersanctionadvice.com/

    https://www.facebook.com/JobSeekerSA?fref=nf

    super ted

    October 30, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    • yeh, I was wondering that aswell superted.

      Ok, carol try this for a work around, just get your voluntary employer to issue you a volunteer agreement and the story is “so the tax office know your not in paid employment”.

      https://www.gov.uk/volunteering/volunteers-rights

      It never pays to mislead people but this is your life so your choice.

      Good luck Carol

      gaia

      October 30, 2014 at 9:08 pm

    • Super ted,

      Carol isn’t a volunteer, she isn’t working for anyone, she signed a form stating that she was a volunteer, now her adviser wants to know where she is a volunteer, that’s her problem.

      enigma

      October 30, 2014 at 9:16 pm

      • bit silly to do that lol best have photshop then and forge one time sheet ect or summat.

        super ted

        October 30, 2014 at 9:27 pm

      • Funny as she uses the following references

        I am now volunteering with a local charity for two days a week

        If I ask the charity to do this, it will blow my cover – so to speak.

        They’ll know I was forced to go to them. My position will then be untenable. I’ll have to leave with my tail between my legs.

        I suppose we will have to wait for carol to come back and clear it up.

        gaia

        October 30, 2014 at 9:41 pm

  12. Grandad shoots himself after finding out his benefits were being stopped.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/grandad-shaun-pilkington-shoots-himself-2989685

    super ted

    October 30, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    • Heres the list of deaths todate if your interested super ted.

      I did post it the other day but no one paid any attention, obviously its not that important to some people.

      http://blacktrianglecampaign.org/2014/10/21/uk-welfare-reform-deaths-updated-list-october-21st-2014/

      gaia

      October 30, 2014 at 9:11 pm

      • i bet my jcp wonder why i not topped my self yet long time ago pmsl by god they have tried it for long enough and still sit with a smile on my face.
        😉

        super ted

        October 30, 2014 at 9:23 pm

      • Well I cant say that for sure in my case but I know one manager to certainly wishes I was, they so walked into my trap.

        gaia

        October 30, 2014 at 9:33 pm

      • REPRINT

        Well I cant say that for sure in my case but I know one manager today certainly wishes I was, they so walked into my trap and the fun part is they have no idea whats coming next.

        gaia

        October 30, 2014 at 9:35 pm

      • trust me im on top of the list and now only get the most nasty ones but there not that bad when you state there own rules n regs what they can and cant do under uk law.

        i got them bang to rights on that cv i gave them as i put on it not to be changed under the dpa1998 and is not to be given to any 3rd partyprovider ever.

        so i knew they would bin it done it b4 long ago as it was not worth the paper it was written on.

        just to bad the cockroach put on the system i did indeed give it one but now its gone.

        and im a fkn liar

        o dear 😉 i bet i wont get wheres my cv again hahah

        super ted

        October 30, 2014 at 10:18 pm

      • Spoken like a true warrior, a kindred spirit.

        gaia

        October 30, 2014 at 11:42 pm

      • i just got me yellow card out and it say local jcp

        work programme participants / signing

        so thats what that un is for lol got green and orange, bet ill get the hole set first 😉

        super ted

        October 30, 2014 at 11:56 pm

      • Sorry for disappearing super ted, internet went down in my area.

        I would love to know what those colours are for as I haven’t seen them where I am.

        gaia

        October 31, 2014 at 1:37 am

      • there for diff zones in the jcp yellow is first floor signing and green and orange are for job coach with there email addr on it phone number.

        the one stupid thing is there using there full name for there email addr pmsl 😉

        also says i must put my full name post code and date of birth when you email us and will reply in 3 hrs

        super ted

        October 31, 2014 at 1:48 pm

  13. Remploy, close of factories, disabled workers lose their jobs.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23864782

    enigma

    October 31, 2014 at 7:48 am

  14. Gaia. There has been connection issues in Ipswich for a couple of days. When it went down I was on UJM. It took my account with it and I had too set up another. My provider lost connection for 3 days. Customers and Theirs. Local Library has been intermittent too. I am in Ipswich

    Philip

    October 31, 2014 at 8:31 am

    • Thanks phillip. Im not from Ipswich myself and unlike DWP and libraries don’t use BT as its just to slow, suffers many a drop out, the routers are crap and breakdown far to often and finally where I live have overhead com lines so cannot enjoy the infinity service they advertise dew to the very poor resistivity in the cables coming to my house.

      I use virgin that’s tons better and quite frankly even when over hung with users like say sundays still achieve speeds that far exceed BTs best on a quite day for my area.

      I still don’t know the actual cause of yesterday but they did just the day before work on the network for my area so perhaps something broke as so to speak.

      gaia

      October 31, 2014 at 9:04 am

      • TALKING OF THE INTERNET AND SUPERVISED JOBSEARCH

        Don’t forget claimants those BT boxes in the streets as god forbid should they get broken into and damaged.

        gaia

        October 31, 2014 at 9:06 am

      • Still Problems In The Norwich Road Civic Drive Area Today

        Philip

        October 31, 2014 at 12:05 pm

  15. I like to thank Mr Andrew Coates for this post as it has quite frankly indivertible highlighted certain views.

    I think and im sure im not alone in this but certain face/s have shown their true colours rather poetically.

    gaia

    October 31, 2014 at 9:58 am

    • Of course and so won’t be the last time that Andrew’s post’s will do. it is interesting though don’t you think, it proves that we, every human being that has ever lived and who will ever live, is different.

      enigma

      October 31, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    • Not many people like those who are blunt, straight to the point and truthful to others, you no doubt will know this of me, (this doesn’t mean that I am mean to anyone, but to some it seems I am, because most don’t like the truth) meanwhile I don’t want to fight anyone, this includes fighting on line.

      I am not at war with you.

      enigma

      October 31, 2014 at 10:06 pm

  16. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating.

    A6er

    October 31, 2014 at 10:33 am

  17. My adviser tried (in vain) to drop a ‘My Work Plan Booklet’ on me this week, I pulled out the printout from the DWP that states:

    My Work Plan Booklet Guidance
    Guidance Queries and Help.

    9. ‘this booklet is not a mandatory product for demonstrating evidence of work search and claimants have the right to demonstrate what they have done to look for work through whichever means they deem suitable and most effective”

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/222865/response/549956/attach/html/4/My%20Work%20Plan%20guidance.pdf.html

    SHE SOON BACKED OFF.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 31, 2014 at 10:51 am

    • The new Coachy-Coaches are probably not aware that even their super-powers have limits.

      Andrew Coates

      October 31, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    • I feel you as only yesterday they tried that on me. Have they issued you with a claimant commitment aswell Obi Wan as that’s a laugh a minute with poor use of English and quite contradictive.

      Well that means if they have given you both that your evidence is officially on the clock instead of just so many actions a week.

      Wow its not even Christmas and it seems as others have reported this recently to that DWP are already turning the thumb screws. I have to wonder how many people will be sanctioned before Christmas.

      Well at least we now know religion plays no part of the welfare reform?

      gaia

      October 31, 2014 at 12:11 pm

      • I’ve been on the C.C. for a month or so now, but I just do my normal jobsearch on the old ES4JP’s, I told them I refuse to accept the ‘My Work Plan Booklet’ and haven’t had any issues.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        October 31, 2014 at 12:17 pm

      • Tip:

        I was told by a JCP adviser that they are phasing out the ES4JP’s so I would recommend that people try and get as many stocked up as they can, I came out with 4 this week and will be getting some more the next time I’m in the vicinity of the JCP.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        October 31, 2014 at 12:26 pm

      • So Obi are you prepared or in a position to demonstrate you spent 35 hours gaining such evidence to your advisor ?

        I say this as i see this is how their sling people onto this supervised jobsearch.

        Ive noticed the more you apply to, the less complicated not that it is complicated it is to justify the time which is either 7 hours a day, 5 days a week or 5 hours a day, 7 days a week.

        You see if they were to test the metal a few issues would certainly come to the forefront.

        Emails can give times, certain jobsites give times but say the likes of fish4jobs and monster don’t so how does one prove when and when they were sent. Apart from this how do you prove the times you were just searching and looking without applying?

        Im not saying I or you don’t have answers, im just wondering what your point is on it all.

        gaia

        October 31, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    • Obi:

      My adviser tried the same thing with me. She asked me if I had one of these (My Work Plan booklet). I said no. She said I can’t believe you haven’t been given one. She then walked me through its contents and how to fill it in (yawn). I haven’t filled it in, I haven’t even wrote my name on the front. It’s just sitting at home gathering dust. Little does she know, I know it’s not a mandatory product.

      Everytime I come in to the Jobcentre to sign or for an interview, they always say have you got your book, I say no, sorry forgot it.

      I’LL ALWAYS FORGET IT!

      jj joop

      October 31, 2014 at 10:29 pm

  18. jj joop

    October 31, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    • 7. The Districts participating in the pilots are Surrey and Sussex, the Black
      Country, Mercia and West Yorkshire.

      jj joop

      October 31, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    • Claimants are unsuitable for referral to SJ if they undertaking part-time or voluntary work. Carol, are you listening, lovey!

      jj joop

      October 31, 2014 at 7:19 pm

      • What did I tell you JJ ! meanwhile your posting of this link will let those who don’t yet know what they can do for their best interest, and yes for Carol, as I said to her in my reply to her. and also yourself, though it may be more difficult for you, living where you live, as you said.

        enigma

        October 31, 2014 at 8:08 pm

      • So get your skates on!

        enigma

        October 31, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    • enigma:

      I have (got my skates on). Just signed up this afternoon with a local charity, doing 16 hours a week.

      jj joop

      October 31, 2014 at 8:19 pm

      • That’s good, for you. keep smiling.

        enigma

        October 31, 2014 at 8:23 pm

      • Every adviser I have seen in the local jobcentre knows that I am a volunteer and so because of this I have been left alone, when on JSA, my new adviser, a health adviser, now also knows.

        enigma

        October 31, 2014 at 10:47 pm

    • So, this tells us that to volunteer somewhere, stops us from being referred to the supervised job search, which also applies to other schemes, it also means that this will not bring a threat of a possible sanction, and what’s more, no one will have to go to the provider named “Learn direct”, in the first place.

      enigma

      October 31, 2014 at 8:44 pm

      • I wonder how many people are aware of this. Not many I imagine. More to the point, I wonder how many are aware of the full implications of signing the data protection waiver.

        jj joop

        October 31, 2014 at 10:21 pm

      • Not many at all really, that’s the sad thing about it, but we can, post the link you provided to other websites, face book, twitter and many others.

        enigma

        October 31, 2014 at 10:30 pm

  19. if you think a provider is going to have you in there office for 35hrs a week the dwp must be off there fkn head.

    and have someone supervise you as well its not going to happen, it will be like it was with 1-2 members of staff for a room full of 30 ppl like when i was at a4e and other providers.

    put it this way if i apply for the amount of jobs as am told to do on my jsa/ cc there is not much point applying for any more is there as it will be a complete waste of time.

    and the winner is if you refuse to sign there data waver so they cant process ur private information they be fooked like i have done time and again.

    remember do as it sates on the letter ..job search.. it dont say anything about applying for the jobs at the provider does it or to use there computers to job search on that’s where the data waver comes in so dont sign it.

    like i could turn up each day and just go through the local papers to look for work or take my phone laptop or tablet to look for work on public wifi, they be stuffed then and will not want you at the provider and will prob ask you to leave so make sure you keep proof you did and will win any non attendance sanction they try dole out.

    then watch the fire works fly at the jcp and show ur cockroach u was sent home by the provider from something that is mandatory and watch there face drop then say,if its mandatory how come the provider can fail send me home and still get there fee and get away with it when im threaten with sanction doubt 😉

    super ted

    October 31, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    • Hey, super ted. Fucking love you mate. You’re the man. I just love your postings. They cheer me up, no end.

      jj joop

      October 31, 2014 at 8:13 pm

    • The provider could quite easily buy a few newspapers for you do do your ‘jobsearch’ in, Ted 😀

      Fuck da jc

      November 1, 2014 at 12:26 am

  20. 😉

    super ted

    October 31, 2014 at 8:18 pm

      • I hand in every week around a 100 jobs I have found and applied for (do remember I have lots of skills so for me that’s an easy target to reach but I would not set this as a benchmark for other claimants). I have also whether working or not ran my own voluntary service supplying engineering skills to my community for free (almost 3 decades).I also mentor children and adults in various subjects as well as previously being an employability tutor and only recently a team leader/mentor to work programme candidates.

        That has made absolutely no difference to how the advisors treat me as they still tried to get me on placements, courses as well as attempting all this sanction crap.

        Also don’t forget cait reilly as she was already volunteering to and look what happened their.

        I believe whole hearted their put claimants on 6 month CWP followed by supervised jobsearch as how else is the private sector going to get paid if everyone gets their own placement, think about it.

        gaia

        November 1, 2014 at 12:59 am

      • Gaia, you mistakenly believe that your ‘volunteering’, ‘mentoring’, returning to prison to show prisoners how to sew mail sacks will provide you with some ‘protection’, act as a ‘shield’ against the worst excesses of jc+. Of course it won’t and why should it. ‘Volunteering, ‘mentoring’, teaching prisoners to screw table legs on should be no more protection than a degree in ‘ology’ and a middle-class background a la Caitin Reilly. ALL jobseekers should be subject to the same crap; there should be no favouritism or molly-coddling the middle class; no get out of jail free/escape workfare for jobseekers with an ‘engineering background’. And look at it from the ‘advisers’ point of view – they want you to ‘off-flow’ from JSA in order to reach their ‘target’… re… ‘spotlight’ and be rewarded with a £25 M&S voucher. Easter egg , how will wrapping you in cotton wool help to achieve that objective? Why should having shared a cell with Charles Bronson – Britain’s Most Violent prisoner earn you ‘privileges’ down the job centre? Solidarity!

        The Job Lot

        November 1, 2014 at 8:28 am

      • You should The Job Lot have read the posts that preceded mine as it is not me that has as you put it an illusion to reality.

        For the record to job lot I was and am rewarded as I so often am for my services so it would appear infact it is you that is under some illusion which is hardly surprizing to me considering I just sank your post like a battleship.

        Yes even in prison the governors seized upon the opportunity to use my talents as like I said rewarded me with red band status in less than my first week which if any haven’t been to prison is the highest accolade and privilege a convict can receive. Infact they were so impressed with my prowess they even made me machine shop maintenance engineer/ tool fitter. I was although wage structures are laughable in prison the highest paid convict with privileges attached like for instance deciding my own work pattern so if I fancied watching TV while other convicts worked I could, even when the others were locked up during certain periods not to mention free unfetted access (no i didnt have keys, the officers opened the doors for me at my request) within the prison to any area excluding the final fence perimeter.

        So should we thank you for your kind post, well not really as its not like you’ve told us anything we don’t already know.

        But hey if my presence which by the way officially as a unemployed statistic only just started again this 30th after two weeks of paid work and with a less than two week gap before that a months work (paid taxes and national insurance) that I and not the government nor provider sourced, offends you then theirs nothing stopping you ignoring my posts as others already do or choosing to use another website altogether.

        Its called freedom of choice Job Lot, something I enjoy every morning my eyes open.

        This said I thank you job lot for your time and effort be it inconcise but hey when your good and ready to acknowledge your weaknesses in understanding the bigger picture, I and others here are always on hand to mentor you in reality.

        (PS: Feel free to reply job lot but dew to me enjoying my weekend, please don’t expect a reply till at least Monday so have a nice weekend wont you).

        gaia

        November 1, 2014 at 10:34 am

      • Oh before I forget considering I offend you, if your a worker who pays taxes and national insurance im quite prepared to give you back your contribution to my welfare which comes to a total of 0.000002413 of a pence for a weeks benefit I have even yet to receive let alone the government even officially acknowledging me as a claimant (takes 14 days I believe to fully process a claim)

        If math isn’t your strong point that’s 72.40 divided amongst 30 million workers.

        OR, if you like you could come back in 100’000 years as then I can give you a substantial 24p for this week.

        Have a nice day Job Lot.

        gaia

        November 1, 2014 at 10:57 am

      • Oops, silly me, I meant to say 24p for the 100’000 weeks I will no doubt not be unemployed but just in case I live a further 1’923 years, their you go.

        gaia

        November 1, 2014 at 11:03 am

  21. I know most of what I am about to comment on happened way up thread, but my inability to predict where a comment will turn up means I am going to say it down here…

    PLEASE stop this comparative and divisive talk that seems to centre on the following…

    (quotation marks used as illustration)

    “my neighbour was seen breathing in AND out and gets ESA so he’s fit for work”

    “people get ESA for ‘just’ depression or a bad back”

    “I’m better at coping with my condition than others”

    “someone gets more than me and I’m jealous”

    “I’m more unwilling than anyone else to be on benefits but I am”

    “look at all the things I do that make me better than someone who doesn’t”

    “everyone should be like me”

    For fucks sake.

    No one is born with an inbuilt CT imaging suite, radiotherapy machine, pathology lab or a lifetime of medical or psychiatric training or experience or anything else that allows them to give a verdict on someone else’s health problems, abilities or potential to achieve anything.

    No one is born or grows up (sic) knowing the individual, detailed history of every one or anyone else.

    No one, not even the world’s best doctors can just glance at a few words written on the internet and know with certainty that an individual has a condition or not, whether it’s being managed, cured, treated or is even untreatable or unmanageable.

    We must stop this compulsion to constantly justify to each other, the meagre benefits that we receive. It’s bad enough having to do so to the DWP and their mock health care goons or horror based “work coaches”. We should not be compelled to justify our needs to each other. Ever.

    Yes, JSA levels are an insulting piss take. Yes those on ESA, more often than not, have extra health related costs. All of us now have to pay a larger proportion of rent and Council Tax and all of us will struggle at some point, if not constantly. Be it a struggle with money or debilitating health conditions of any kind, or, as is so often the case for both those on JSA and on ESA (WRAG & SG) a massive fucking struggle with the apathy of our declining NHS.

    Surely the main effort should be to work together to achieve some kind of equality for us all?

    With divisive, judgemental comments about others and their plight, we knock the foundations of any intent we may have to make things better for all of us.

    Peace out.

    Lucy

    November 1, 2014 at 12:24 pm

  22. Look at the source

    enigma

    November 1, 2014 at 10:16 pm


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