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Young Unemployed Should Pick up Ragwort, Says Tebbit.

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With Suffolk County MyGo being set up in Ipswich, the Conservative linked Charity has received a suggestion from prominent local (Bury St Edmunds) Tory, Lord Tebbit.

The former Conservative cabinet minister Lord Tebbit has said young unemployed people should be made to pull up ragwort from roadside verges in return for benefits.

The 83-year-old Tory grandee made the proposal in a letter to Matt Shardlow, chief executive of a charity called Buglife, which is concerned about the effect of declining ragwort on bees and rare insects.

In his reply to the charity, Tebbit said ragwort was a major problem in his part of East Anglia and proposed it could be weeded out by “Neets” – young people who are not in education, work or training – and “low level criminals”.

He wrote: “I suggest you come to the Norfolk/Suffolk border areas of East Anglia. Landowners who wish to control ragwort face an impossible task when roadside verges are dominated by it to an extent I cannot remember in the past.

“There would be little cost to bring that under control if Neets and low level criminals were required as part of their contribution to the society which finances them, or which they have abused … to uproot this weed.”

Tebbit later told the Guardian: “Given a bit of organisation, they [unemployed young people] would be happy doing something constructive. That’s something constructive for them. It’s appealing, it gets rid of a weed which is a danger to some animals and helps landowners in the cultivation of their land.

“That was my thought that caused me to suggest the idea … in a way it’s a form of national service, of doing something for society in a way in which anyone unless they are physically disabled can participate.”

Asked whether he acknowledged some might find the idea of forced labour in return for benefits controversial, he said: “It’s workfare but I think there are some powerful arguments for workfare and so does [Labour MP] Frank Field for example. It’s not a way-out idea in that sense.”

Guardian.

For the sake of scientific honesty we add this (via Twitter BE) from the admirable “Ragwort Facts” site.

This site has been written to inform the public of the true scientific data surrounding ragwort. It exists to balance the hysteria generated in the British press. Whilst ragwort is of course toxic, it is only one of a great many toxic plants and the stories that have been published do not accurately reflect what is known from the international scientific literature . Many false claims are made about this plant, often when investigated you find there is a vested interest, selling ragwort controls of questionable value, or maybe using the hysteria to help raise an organisation’s public profile. Other people, naturally worried about animal cruelty have been convinced by the false stories and lacking the background to determine the truth are genuinely, but unnecessarily worried. This site should serve to inform the public as to the facts in a rational, informative manner. This enables land managers to take rational decisions about ragwort without falling victim to rumour and falsehoods.

More on site…..

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  1. Where the hell is Jihadi John when you need him!

    jj joop

    October 23, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    • We need a latter-day Guy Fawkes, just do it right this time.

      Landless Peasant

      October 24, 2014 at 12:24 am

  2. If ragwort is such a big problem then it can be a proper job with a proper wage,not bloody workfare.Frank Field should not be used as a further endorsement for workfare either,he is a sick joke.

    ck

    October 23, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    • It will be £1.25 per hour for the under 25’s, and £2 per hour for those of us that are over 25.

      enigma

      October 23, 2014 at 5:19 pm

  3. It is “national service ” but named “workfare”for the young, (to start with) then it will be for all ages with no wages.

    enigma

    October 23, 2014 at 1:18 pm

  4. …and you can’t pull up mature Ragwort, it has deep roots. If you have to remove it, best time is when it’s young and the first rosettes are still flattish to the ground and even that will leave bits of root to regrow. Just leave it alone. Horses/sheep only eat it when it’s dried, as it appears in hay, even then they won’t eat much of it. Horses won’t eat it whilst it’s growing as it’s more bitter than IDS. Tebbit clearly hasn’t spoken to his gardening staff, the redundant slacker.

    Lucy

    October 23, 2014 at 2:07 pm

  5. Victory!

    This just came into our In-Box,

    “MPs are to hold a new inquiry into the government’s brutal benefit sanctions regime – following a campaign backed by the Daily Mirror.

    It has been triggered by Labour MP Debbie Abrahams, who called on the Work and Pensions Select Committee to investigate after the Government refused an inquiry.

    The move follows a 200,000-strong petition set up by Gill Thompson in July following the death of her diabetic brother David Clapson at the age of 59. David, a former soldier who served in Northern Ireland, died destitute after being sanctioned by the Job Centre for missing a single meeting.

    Abrahams said she had been inspired by Gill’s bravery to keep fighting for an investigation. “Gill has shown great courage, in the wake of her brother’s appalling death, to take on this cruel government and their inhuman policy of targeting vulnerable people who are reliant on social security,” Abrahams, MP for Oldham East and Saddleworth, said.

    “The huge response to the Mirror’s reporting on how claimants are being stitched up and sanctioned, and over 200,000 signatures on Gill’s petition, is proof that the British people will not stand by and do nothing when they see vulnerable people suffering.”

    Last night Gill said she was hoping to be called to give evidence. “This has been a huge battle, but it isn’t just for my David who died penniless, it’s for all the people who have been sanctioned and who have written to me telling their stories,” she said last night. “It’s an absolute scandal.”

    Organisations including the Trussell Trust have repeatedly linked the sanctions regime to the soaring number of people going to foodbanks.

    “Ministers in the DWP have used every trick in the book to avoid being held to account,” Abrahams said. “This inquiry will leave them nowhere to hide and that’s why they’ve fought so hard to avoid one.”

    The battle for an inquiry dates back to November 2013, when Abrahams got Employment minister Esther McVey to agree to one – only for her to backtrack.

    In July 2014, the government instead published the Matthew Oakley Report into sanctioning – on the day the House of Commons rose for summer.

    Oakley highlighted systematic problems with the sanctions regime – but did not look into whether they are being unfairly applied. Critics condemned it as a “whitewash”.

    Last month, Gill spoke at the Daily Mirror fringe at Labour Party conference. “David had no electricity on his key and the coroner said he had no food in his stomach,” Gill said. “He died alone and hungry. He wasn’t a scrounger – he worked for 29 years and served in Northern Ireland in the Army.”

    He died surrounded by job applications. “But he missed one meeting and he was sanctioned,” Gill said.

    To sign the petition, visit change.org/benefitsanctions

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mps-probe-governments-savage-benefit-4489466

    Andrew Coates

    October 23, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    • Excellent news for all.

      enigma

      October 23, 2014 at 5:22 pm

  6. Gissajob

    October 23, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    • What with UKIP launching a Single that harks back to the 60s and the Black and White Minstrel Show, and this idea, that wants to bring back 50s National Service, is anybody surprised that anybody under the age of 25 has had enough of politics?

      Andrew Coates

      October 23, 2014 at 4:43 pm

      • No surprise.

        I’m not under the age of 25 and not in the least bit interested in politics, and have not been since I was under the age of 25.

        I think we have all had enough.

        enigma

        October 23, 2014 at 4:54 pm

      • Did you see my post in “mygo”

        While in the food bank, that there will be a filming of a family who has to go to a food bank (for reasons we all know of) but, the Trussell trust have told the makers of the filming of a family that they want to be involved, because as you all know, the gov have warned the Trussell trust, so you all know it will be similar to “benefits street” where the truth will not be shown.

        enigma

        October 23, 2014 at 4:58 pm

  7. Reblogged this on sdbast.

    sdbast

    October 23, 2014 at 4:06 pm

  8. Tebbit should hurry up and die. He’s already had 30 years longer than he ought.

    Landless Peasant

    October 24, 2014 at 12:23 am

    • Tebbit’s time of usefulness as a human creature is over.

      jj joop

      October 24, 2014 at 9:03 am

  9. DIGITAL REVOLUTION AT JOBCENTRES

    The days of the old signing card are numbered. Now the “electronic signing pad” is to be installed in more than 700 Jobcentres nationwide in addition to the new jobsearch computers – saving several million pounds each year.

    And just shortly after the new “My Work Plan” booklet was issued:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2805158/End-Monty-dole-queue-Ministers-install-23-000-electronic-pads-jobcentres-make-easier-sign-on.html

    Tobanem

    October 24, 2014 at 9:00 am

    • … and the days of the signing-on clerk are numbered 😉

      DigiRev

      October 24, 2014 at 9:40 am

      • DigiRev

        Yes, that’s where the “savings” are coming from!

        Tobanem

        October 24, 2014 at 9:48 am

    • I put this under another old post presented by mr coates but as you have started it here Tobanem, I will reprint it.

      (Taken from MYGo Centre Jobs (Ipswich), Nice Work…. if you can get it…., dated October 24, 2014 at 5:59 am).

      I warned ahead of time that DWP were seeking to track claimants activity and was laughed at by many a claimant with some branding me a conspiracist yet here we are.

      I also claimed claimants would be profiled and NOW HERE WE ARE AGAIN.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29725890

      Incase you are wondering how a tablet, pc or any smart device has anything to do with profiling, please look up biometrics in reference to said story.

      TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR PERSONAL AND OR SENSITIVE DATA BEFORE DWP DO.

      ENFORCE YOUR DATA PROTECTION RIGHTS NOW.

      gaia

      October 24, 2014 at 12:00 pm

      • As for section 4 of The Electronic Signatures Regulations

        DONT FORGET what I said recently about IMPLIED CONSENT.

        Claimants are tricked into this everyday like for instance the moment you begin to jobsearch on UJM, you INSTANTLY give IMPLIED CONSENT for the website to place cookies on the PC your using (makes no difference whether you own the PC or not) at the time. Some of these cookies remain on the system for a long period of time (known as super cookies), that cannot be deleted through your browser as they actually reside on the operating system (windows 7 for example). You would need administration privilege to install a program like CCLEANER to remove them. DWP and PROVIDER currently REFUSE an such installation.

        Their are also other cookies that TRACK YOU both on the operating system your using and the internet you search on.

        DWP/PROVIDER CLAIM you can delete them BUT in a manner of speaking this is an OUT and OUT LIE as the moment you use another page on say UJM, they are INSTANTLY REINSTALLED.

        TO PUT IT BLUNTLY ITS THE EGG BEFORE THE CHICKEN, meaning they ALWAYS GET THE INFORMATION BEFORE YOU CAN DELETE IT AND THATS A INDISPUTABLE FACT.

        THERE IS NO WAY TO USE UJM WITHOUT COOKIES BEING INVOLVED,PERIOD.

        This is why DWP CANNOT even under jobseeker direction FORCE you to use UJM even to look into your account daily as they so have prescribed to the unknowing WITHOUT YOUR LAWFUL AND FREELY GIVEN CONSENT. Again I reiterate IT MATTERS NOT WHO OWNS THE PC and or INTERNET CONNECTION as the DWP mantra is, “we own the system so have excepted the cookies”. This is a FRAUDULENT LIE as THEY MUST STILL GAIN YOUR LAWFUL AND FREELY GIVEN CONSENT PRIOR TO ANY PROCESSING OF ANY DATA THAT INDENTIFIES YOU AS YOU . This is in FULL ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW

        LASTLY so its PERFECTLY CLEAR, Once you hand them consent, you instantly give them GREATER rights to claim an EXEMPTION under the DATA PROTECTION ACT, meaning if they can demonstrate just cause, NO AMOUNT OF WITHDRAWING CONSENT WILL PREVENT THEM FROM USING SAID DATA. A prime example is how they could AGAINST A CLAIMANTS wishes still pass on personal data to PROVIDERS of the work programme.

        gaia

        October 24, 2014 at 12:52 pm

  10. Lest we forget…

    The government says ‘Workfare’ doesn’t exist!

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 24, 2014 at 11:48 am

    • Because “national service or slavery does!

      enigma

      October 24, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    • Whats interesting about this Ragwort story is, its only a problem to livery like horses mostly which are hardly conducive in todays society what with tractors, lorries, trains and so forth now doing what they once did.

      THIS MEANS IT DOES NOT SERVE TO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND SO IS INFACT IF IMPLEMENTED, ACTUAL UNDENIABLE FORCED LABOUR.

      To add to this and it has already been mentioned, animals are well aware of it and by far and large except for the odd strand or two DO NOT DIGEST IT AS A DAILY MEAL.
      To SHAME TEBBIT further, a horse would have to eat several kilograms of Ragwort a day or small amounts for extended periods to cause irreparable liver damage.

      Need I say any more ?

      gaia

      October 24, 2014 at 1:13 pm

      • Where Tebbit lives, Bury St Edmunds (Suffolk), a few months ago the Tory MP, David Ruffly, received a police caution for assaulting his ex-girlfriend.

        Despite a ticking off, he is clinging on to his MP’s salary and will only stand down at the next election.

        Tebbit should put his own party’s house in order first.

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28451998

        David Ruffley, MP for Bury St Edmunds

        Andrew Coates

        October 24, 2014 at 3:52 pm

      • A law for one and another for others Mr Coates.

        Well at least we can be thankful this MP of bury st Edmunds wasn’t had for kiddy fiddling or sexual assault.

        Still, a caution for assault is an insult to justice and the public as had that been me or you, even as a first time offence, we would have been charged I guarantee you.

        Take this benefit fraud cheats should get 10 years, where was the tories when Chris Huhne and his wife spent a decade lying about a speeding offence?

        The tories are full of crap and quite frankly the public should turn their back on this government on every platform.

        Its just incredible that no matter how much this government has been caught out lying and misrepresenting things that the majority of the public just sit their and do next to nothing about it.

        gaia

        October 24, 2014 at 6:32 pm

  11. Norman ‘Ragwort’ Tebbit.

    Great Nickname.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 24, 2014 at 1:18 pm

  12. New Employment Scam

    We already have Workfare, Forced or Compulsory Labour, national minimum wage abuses, zero hours contracts, and dubious self employment.

    Now here is another one for those in the construction industry (following hot on the heels of the blacklist scandal).

    New Government regulations prevent construction workers from being classed as self-employed, and to put it simply, construction workers are being scammed by being paid less via an “umbrella” company, the latter taking a whack for its services.

    http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-8df3-Construction-umbrella-firm-scam-rips-off-workers

    It looks as though it’s time for this “umbrella” set-up to be blown inside out.

    Tobanem

    October 24, 2014 at 1:40 pm

  13. EFFECTS OF AUSTERITY

    Naomi Klein is an accomplished author who has written and sold many books globally. In this video like so many of us have here on this very site, has caught out our very own PRIME MINISTER DELIBERATELY MISLEADING THE PUBLIC.

    She even highlights how the Tory government will rush to the aid of elitists at the publics cost while not doing the same when the shoe is on the other foot.
    Basically she is citing that it was the fault of our current governments austerity program that lead to the mass awful effect on the publics lives and finances that were effected along with the financial burden on all the public when Cameron stated, “Money is no object, we will spend whatever it takes”.

    gaia

    October 24, 2014 at 1:46 pm

  14. As I stated in an earlier post, the local jobcentre has now got someone to supervise those on the supervised job search, the supervisor though is someone on JSA, young, and is a very nervous person but who has experience in IT. The DWP know from experience, not to supervise those on the scheme for as is stated in the PDF that I posted earlier.

    enigma

    October 24, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    • Good, then he will I assume understand cookie laws and the data protection act both requiring consent prior to ?

      gaia

      October 24, 2014 at 2:25 pm

      • We all know, any supervisor who ends up on this scheme will not have any knowledge of DPA or cookie law, the DWP will always choose someone who knows nothing about the rules and regs. because no DWP person wants to be responsible for their unlawful actions.

        enigma

        October 24, 2014 at 2:43 pm

      • And making/forcing someone young to supervise such schemes (especially an unemployed jobseeker who has experience in IT but can not get paid employment in IT, but can work in IT for either £1.25 or £2 per hour), makes one angry, they are also putting that persons life at risk.

        enigma

        October 24, 2014 at 4:05 pm

  15. ill have some fun when i turn up with my tablet and lap top then with my own internet i can use on them and point blank refuse to use there it systems or enter any private information on them and state the dpa refuse to use there cookies on there site and dont agree with the sites privacy and data agreement of the ujm site as the server is not located in the uk and not regulated by the ico.

    or just post fake jobs on ujm and then apply for them yourself n see what they say about that 1 😉

    super ted

    October 24, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    • Super Ted, If your put on the that scheme you now know the supervisor will have no clue as to DPA etc, so anyone who knows about DPA will have an easy time!

      I too have my own laptop, usb stick and mobile broad band usb stick!

      enigma

      October 24, 2014 at 4:34 pm

  16. trust me ill never be put on it, id cause so much of a problem in front of every one and just get sent home like i always do.

    super ted

    October 24, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    • There are 8 computers in the local jobcentre now, all for the supervised job search, there is just one floor, the computers are near the middle of the room, where seats used to be, there are about 20 advisers all sat at the edges of the room, so no privacy for those on the scheme, the security goons will also be walking around watching.

      enigma

      October 24, 2014 at 4:55 pm

  17. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29725890

    pmsl looks like the advisers days are coming to an end.

    super ted

    October 24, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    • You got that right super ted, soon the culling of 46 % of the entire DWP civil servants currently on the books will be terminated with the rest working regional call centres.

      So the Tories don’t look bad they made sure most are on temporary contracts.

      gaia

      October 24, 2014 at 5:20 pm

    • Gaia posted this earlier! hopefully we’ll see a few advisors on our side of the desk!

      enigma

      October 24, 2014 at 5:23 pm

      • Some advisors have left/been laid off from the jobcentre here too, but there are new ones. still, a lot less of them now.

        enigma

        October 24, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    • Most of the “advisers” desk at the local JC are empty. It is like a Ghost Town. Just a couple of the old guard sitting around trying to limp through to retirement. Where do they all go?

      The Vanishing

      October 24, 2014 at 11:51 pm

  18. dunno if its just my jcp but every 6 months the staff get moved around or just vanish from sight at my jcp.

    .

    super ted

    October 24, 2014 at 5:43 pm

    • Civil servants cant act out to a ministerial direction unless it contravenes an existing regulation.

      So the very fact they lie to claimants like you must give us access to your UJM account just proves they hate claimants as much as the tories do which makes me laugh as effectively they are biting off their own nose to spite their face.

      Unless DWP advisors wake up, it wont be a rise their shown, it will be the door.

      When this happens they will only have themselves to blame for it just like all these other makes me and i would imagine the tories laugh, peaceful protests.

      OH, PEACEFUL PROTESTS, THEIR SO SCARY, WE BETTER GIVE IN AND GIVE THEM A PAY RISE.

      Bernard manning once said I quote, “Grab them by the boll@cks and their hearts and minds will follow” so unions its time to ignore the law and strike like the old days without giving notice and or causing the most disruption possible like no nurses or doctors for a day or no trains for a day as I guarantee, your get their attention then.

      Theirs always a way to get what you want, the question is how far is the individual prepared to go inorder to get it?

      gaia

      October 24, 2014 at 7:04 pm

      • Bernard Manning said a lot of things… most of them unprintable 😀

        Chalky

        October 24, 2014 at 11:44 pm

      • I *&&^^^%^&&& ))((&&^^^^BB(((( Know don’t you think I &&&^^^ Don’t

        Roy Chubby Brown

        October 25, 2014 at 7:58 am

  19. This should be worth keeping an eye on:- Cameron loses his rag!

    David Cameron has angrily insisted the UK will not pay £1.7bn being demanded by the European Union.

    “If people think I am paying that bill on 1 December, they have another think coming,” the prime minister said in Brussels. “It is not going to happen.”

    But Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said the demand should “not have come as a surprise” to the UK.

    He said it was made under a system agreed by all the member states and based on data provided by them.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29754168

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 24, 2014 at 6:55 pm

    • Knowing Cameron, he will use it as an excuse to try and get the public to rally behind the idea of leaving Europe which if the public have any sense wont be the choice as if you think your liberties are already stifled then you ain’t seen nothing yet.

      Hey Cameron, what happened to all this “we’re all in it together crap you were spewing everywhere ?

      gaia

      October 24, 2014 at 7:14 pm

      • What a pound is to you is what a billion is to this country so that with the fact the tories have been boasting lately about how well business is doing, especially from the banking sector, I cant see why hes being so tight and very euro unpatriotic.

        Also lets not forget the majority of our exports is to Europe and that it keeps 4.2 million people in the UK in paid employment or £211 billion in national income terms.

        So tell me, is 1,7 billion that much to pay when we profit from Europe so very much?

        gaia

        October 24, 2014 at 7:29 pm

      • Now ive had time to look up this EU 1.7 billion bill story and it turns out its all because we included illicit earnings (criminal offences proceeds) like illegal drugs and prostitution.

        Its amazing how the tories jumped at it so as to boost UK figures yet cry now its come back to bit them.

        The UK had no problem taking rebates in the past from the EU scheme so this we will not pay stunt isn’t fooling me.

        Lastly when we talk about unfair, will the government be revising how they get unpaid taxes as they have no problem treating us British public in the same fashion the EU just have ?

        gaia

        October 25, 2014 at 5:52 am

  20. gaia you not get a tax rebate this year cos i had 1 pmsl 😉

    super ted

    October 24, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    • Why would you get a tax rebate, ted if you haven’t worked for over 30 years?

      Confucisus

      October 24, 2014 at 11:39 pm

      • i dunno i got 330 squid tho 😉

        super ted

        October 25, 2014 at 10:40 am

  21. What’s all this talk about supervised job searches at the Jobcentre? Someone posted an FOI reply on a previous posting on this website that categorically stated supervised jobsearches would be run by providers on provider premises not the Jobcentres.

    So what exactly is going on?

    ragwort muncher

    October 25, 2014 at 7:11 am

    • And I thought the Jobcentre couldn’t force you to use their computers anyway – something to do with cookies and the DPA?

      ragwort muncher

      October 25, 2014 at 7:13 am

      • There seems to be a lot of conflicting advice being offered on this website, if you don’t mind me saying (Mr Coates).

        ragwort muncher

        October 25, 2014 at 7:15 am

      • The conflicting messages on this website are nothing to do with Mr Coates, the more time you spend reading messages on this website the better for you. not without reading the rules and regs of things. such as the doc and pdf files you see on here and other websites.

        enigma

        October 25, 2014 at 9:11 am

      • Just because legally they cant, it doesn’t mean they wont try and play on claimants and the publics ignorance ignorance’s alike.

        It seems to me ragwort muncher that your under the impression DWP play fair which if the case is one notion you need to get out of your head straight away.

        Just dealing with todays government even though labour was no less guilty when they were in power, DWP through government direction, one IDS and consorts has lied and mislead claimants and the public since day one. hell they even lied and tried to block a special government committee setup to investigate this welfare reform. They threatened to pull funding from charities who speak out against them, tried to suppress the church seniors and the list goes on and on.

        Its a pity I nolonger have the link but one IDS made an absolute bogus claim on the Andrew marrs show and when confronted with facts or should i say IDSs lack of them on air retaliated with the comment “you cant prove me wrong either” like a 6 year old caught in a lie which really says it all I reckon.

        gaia

        October 25, 2014 at 9:17 am

    • The supervised job search will be held in both jobcentres and in providers premises.

      You can’t be forced to use their computers, but a lot will be, because they don’t know about DPA and cookie law.

      If you know about DPA, cookies and basically the truth then you’ll know what messages on this website are true.

      enigma

      October 25, 2014 at 8:55 am

      • First time on here. Another claimant at the jc told me about this site. I don’t know anything about cookies or dpa. Where exactly does it say I don’t have to use the jc’s or providers computers? And where does it say I don’t have to sign provider paperwork other than jc declaration?

        Newby

        October 25, 2014 at 1:09 pm

      • By the way I’d like to punch my work coach in the face.

        Newby

        October 25, 2014 at 1:09 pm

      • Newby:

        Read the provider guidance on the link posted below by enigma. You won’t find it say anywhere that the claimant does not have to sign provider paperwork, etc. But nor will you find it says that the claimant MUST sign work plans, etc either. It’s the same with the DPA. Don’t look at what it says. Look at what it doesn’t say. Think about it!

        jj joop

        October 25, 2014 at 1:29 pm

      • There endeth the lesson.

        jj joop

        October 25, 2014 at 1:31 pm

      • Newby, have a good read of this. the more we read the more we learn.

        DPA

        http://ico.org.uk/

        enigma

        October 25, 2014 at 1:40 pm

      • Newby:

        Get reading, pronto.

        jj joop

        October 25, 2014 at 1:43 pm

      • Newby, don’t punch your work coach in the face, instead use your ammunition (because your at war) i.e. docs = the rules and regs

        enigma

        October 25, 2014 at 1:51 pm

      • I’ll try not to. And thanks for the links.

        Newby

        October 25, 2014 at 2:19 pm

      • NEWBY

        (PART 1)

        For consent in the UK to be legally binding it must be freely given and not obtained through force,threat or deception.

        Now under the Electronic Communications (EC Directive) (Amendment) Regulations 2011 (UK Regulations) is the requirement to gain prior consent as regards placing and using cookies. This can be found in section 6 of the act

        The first link is the actual act

        http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2011/1208/made

        To save time the next link bottlenecks the section for you and not only demonstrates consent being required prior to but also clarifies that the user (you or another claimant say) DOES NOT have to own the PC and or NETWORK in question. Also take note of subsection 3A under section 6 as this is what I mean when I say claimants are being CONNED into giving consent and is known as IMPLIED CONSENT.

        http://www.aboutcookies.org/default.aspx?page=3

        NEXT UP

        Your dealings with both DWP and provider will require both parties to be subject to various legal requirements. One of them is the COLLECTING and PROCESSING of PERSONAL and or SENSITIVE DATA. This is covered under the Data Protection Act.
        Now theirs a lot more an organisation must do inorder to comply but to save time I will bring forward the part your interested in. This part is found in schedules 2 and 3 (2 for personal data,3 for sensitive data) point 1

        http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/29/contents

        gaia

        October 26, 2014 at 8:35 am

      • gaia – Thanks for the information. Wow! You really know your stuff, don’t you. You should be practising law.

        Newby

        October 26, 2014 at 9:08 am

      • Newby, are you sure your a Newby, I think not

        enigma

        October 26, 2014 at 9:15 am

      • Those on benefits shouldn’t know the rules and regs should they!

        enigma

        October 26, 2014 at 9:29 am

      • NEWBY

        (PART2)

        To participate with a provider is to engage with their scheme and prior to your first attendance DWP would have sent any relevant information to them which will contain personal and or sensitive data so as to identify you from another claimant along with say some history.

        Now before the provider can process this they MUST apply the 8 principles (SCHEDULE 1 of the data protection act). Now under schedule 1, part 1, section 1A and B it states one condition must be met in both schedule 2 and 3 respectively.

        As you know, a providers forms always have a data protection policy requiring your CONSENT, meaning if they could exempt themselves from needing such, it would not be on the form. Now like DWP, providers like to trick you to and will often try one of the two practices I will mention.

        1: They will fill out the form while asking questions, keeping it away from you (arms length) until a signature is required (even if you dont supply signed consent they may suggest your participation forms IMPLIED CONSENT) or,

        2: Will attempt to template the form so as to obscure what your signing for (ie the signature will say something like your signing to say that the information you have supplied is correct).

        NO matter what DO NOT FILL OUT, ASSIST TO FILL OUT (ie confirm details) or SIGN any provider documents requiring a signature.

        NOW DONT FORGET

        For consent in the UK to be legally binding it must be freely given and not obtained through force, threat or deception.

        So in parting this is why your consent or non filling of forms does not constitute as part of participation whether or not DWP attempt to sanction you as if appealed against no matter how long that takes, (usually when you get your local MP involved or if your lucky earlier on, CAB solicitor), it will be OVER TURNED.

        You cannot sanction someone for exerting their legal rights.

        Hope this helps clarify the subject matter to which you speak of.

        gaia

        October 26, 2014 at 9:48 am

      • gaia – Thanks again.

        Newby

        October 26, 2014 at 10:03 am

      • enigma – Your comments on my status indicate to me that you’re starting to lose it. You’re getting paranoid. Or maybe you’re just annoyed that gaia knows more than you about the DPA, etc. Her postings are a damn sight more informative. I think you need to get out more.

        Newby

        October 26, 2014 at 10:07 am

      • gaia:

        Your postings for Newby are very helpful and very infomative.

        I had a similar experience when I was on the WP. The provider asked me questions while filling in the paperwork and then asked me to sign. I declined and reminded him that I had not signed the data protection waiver. He was suitably crestfallen, the muppet. I had an easy time from then on. Only had to pitch up for two hours every fortnight for an unsupervised job search, and that was it. Didn’t fill in any of their wretched job logs either and no MWAs. Good times.

        jj joop

        October 26, 2014 at 10:36 am

      • I will continue to find as much information as possible for the benefit of those on benefits.

        enigma

        October 26, 2014 at 11:14 am

    • ragwort muncher,

      This PDF is for providers but it doesn’t mean supervised job search won’t be also held in job centres.

      https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/supervised-jobsearch-pilot-dwp-provider-guidance

      enigma

      October 25, 2014 at 9:02 am

  22. David Cameron has angrily insisted the UK will not pay £1.7bn being demanded by the European Union by next month.

    But it’s alright for JSA and ESA claimants to have their money sanctioned at the drop of a hat isn’t it Dave?

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 25, 2014 at 9:32 am

  23. Outgoing EU “president” José Manuel Barroso explains the £1.7bn demand from Brussels is only based on figures the British authorities gave Brussels in the first place.

    Looks like Cameron is going to ‘Have’ to cough up the dosh. These are the correct figures and the UK agreed to this system.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 25, 2014 at 9:46 am

    • A promise, then a change of mind, they don’t like “giving” but they sure like “taking”

      enigma

      October 25, 2014 at 9:50 am

  24. David Cameron Builds a ‘Fat One’ – Couldn’t resist putting this up on here.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 25, 2014 at 10:02 am

  25. That’s more like it!

    enigma

    October 25, 2014 at 10:27 am

  26. Channel 4 – Dispatches Benefits Britain – Monday 27th Oct 8:00pm – MUST WATCH.

    Universal Credit.

    Dispatches explores the concept of Britain on benefits. It will investigate the £13 billion revolution. Liz MacKean reports from Warrington, where claimants have been trying out the new benefit over the last year. Dispatches will meet some of the claimants who says the new system is far from perfect for them.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 25, 2014 at 11:01 am

  27. If Monday’s Dispatches programme plays out like I believe it will, it is probably going to go a long way to proving that Universal Credit is going to be consistently one hell of a lot more expensive than the older 6 separate benefits system ever was, including the 0.7% yearly benefits fraud calculation.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 25, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    • The truth will set us all free, but first it will piss us off.

      enigma

      October 26, 2014 at 7:48 am

  28. A proper job living wage not free labour, not punishment because your getting abused by the labour market and not continuasly playing a subordinate role to the jobcentre and work program the way to happiness,reduction in crime,reduction in drug addiction the key word is motivation the jobcentre are very good at lowering your moral. That explains the reason for increased assaults on jobcentre staff who normaly glote over your misery. So are the conservative government stuck up out of touch attitude to poor people.
    I hate the fact that organisations like a4e, cdg maximus are benefiting from unemployed peoples misery by being heavly funded by this pompous stuck up government who is supposed to be trying to improve the econimy.The service received is rubbish.(GOOD BY COALITION GOV 2015). A BIT OF ADVICE FOR THE TOFFS MODERATE YOUR LANGUAGE
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    October 26, 2014 at 9:34 am

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