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Young Unemployed will be Made to do “Community Service” – just like Offenders.

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This is the new proposal from the Conservatives: punish the young – again.

Any young person who has failed to find a job after six months on the dole will have to go on a community work scheme.

Cameron said on BBC1’s Andrew Marr Show: “At heart I want us effectively to abolish youth unemployment. I want us to end the idea that aged 18 you leave school, go and leave home, claim unemployment benefit and claim housing benefit. We should not be offering that choice to young people. We should be saying to people you should be earning or learning.

“We are not talking about those people with children. This is about single people aged 18 to 21. You can start a life on dependency and that is no life at all, that is no future for your children when you do have them. We are saying save the money, make sure after six months every one of those young people has to do a job or in training and use the savings to provide three million apprentices”.

He defended the cut to the welfare cap, arguing that a better education system and welfare reform was one of the best ways to lower immigration. “All the evidence is the cap is too loose, particularly in some parts of the country, so bringing it down saves money, will mean more families getting into work, and what I want to see – the plan we have for Britain – is to spend less money on welfare and more on helping people into work.”

The chancellor, George Osborne, said: “It is not acceptable for young people under the age of 21 to go straight from school or on to benefits and into a home paid for through housing benefit – benefit funded by other people who are working.” He said single parents and those coming out of care would be exempt from the exclusion of housing benefit.

Jobseeker’s allowance (JSA) is currently worth £50.95 per week for those aged 16 to 24 and £64.30 for those over 25. JSA will be replaced with a six-month allowance, after which claimants will have to do community work if they have failed to find a job or an apprenticeship.

New apprentices will be paid with savings from cutting the welfare benefit. There are currently 150,000 18 to 21-year-olds on JSA.

Guardian

So, the young unemployed will end up with the same penalty as those doing a  “community sentence”

The Mail gives the ‘wage’ that these forced labourers will receive,

The dole, officially called the Job Seeker’s Allowance (JSA) is currently worth £50.95 per week for those aged 16 to 24 and £64.30 for the over-25s.

Mr Osborne intends to scrap the JSA for 18 to 21s and replace it with a ‘youth allowance’ – set at about the same level as the dole.

But they will only receive it for six months. After that, if they have failed to find a job, apprenticeship or a training scheme, they will have to do community work, such as cleaning up public places, to continue receiving it.

Community sentences can be given for crimes such as:

  • damaging property
  • benefit fraud
  • assault

I would add minor drug offences.

Let us remind ourselves of what those sentenced to do “community payback” (for offences) have to do,

Community Payback is unpaid work like:

  • removing graffiti
  • clearing wasteland
  • decorating public places and buildings – for example, a community centre

You will usually work in your local area, and be managed by a Community Payback supervisor. You must wear a high visibility orange vest while you work.

You can expect to complete anything from 40 to 300 hours of Community Payback, depending on how serious your crime was.

You have to work 3 or 4 days each week if you’re unemployed.

The Community Payback work will be arranged outside your working hours if you have a job, eg evenings or weekends.

The sentence for being unemployed after 6 months if you’re under 21 is…..unlimited!

The resentment this will cause is not hard to imagine.

Unlike National Service it will not apply to everyone.

Just the poor.

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  1. Ok it will by some, be referred to a criminal sentence, it is about people having a better life for themselves.

    enigma

    September 29, 2014 at 9:57 am

    • Sorry, “it should be about people having a better life for themselves”

      enigma

      September 29, 2014 at 4:49 pm

  2. This is what you expect from conservatives, completely detached from reality and no concern what happens to poor folk in the real world. Punishing young people worse that criminals, how do you think they will turn out when they are older? Criminals treated better, government to be hated and never to be trusted, not good programming for someone just starting out in life.

    Phil

    September 29, 2014 at 10:08 am

  3. It’ll look good on a CV: my first job was picking up litter and cleaning up public places on “community service”.

    What a start in life!

    Andrew Coates

    September 29, 2014 at 10:20 am

    • It looks like the perfect incentive to turn to crime to me. The supervision will be at the same thuggish level it is for offenders. Why go onto a crappy community work scheme unless you have been sentenced to do so?. I can see youngsters giving up completely when faced with this miserable future, and of course, turning to crime, in desperation. They’ll end up on the scheme both ways. Bet there will be heavier conditionality on the non-offenders too.

      Lucy

      September 29, 2014 at 4:25 pm

      • Benefit cards, yet another incentive to turn to crime, there will be plenty of it.

        enigma

        September 29, 2014 at 4:37 pm

  4. What happens to the over fiftys?

    Parker Pyne

    September 29, 2014 at 10:58 am

    • and 30’s, 40’s and no doubt 60’s

      enigma

      September 29, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    • We’re supposed to just curl up and die.

      Landless Peasant

      September 29, 2014 at 3:59 pm

      • That’s what they really want yes.

        enigma

        September 29, 2014 at 4:12 pm

      • Pretty much, yeah.

        Parker Pyne

        September 29, 2014 at 5:50 pm

  5. They shouldn’t be cleaning graffiti, sweeping the streets, picking up trash or anything like it, I like others know they should be training for something for their interest in a career, not chosen by someone else.

    enigma

    September 29, 2014 at 11:19 am

  6. There’ll be Riots…..hopefully

    Landless Peasant

    September 29, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    • Don’t hold your breath. They’ll very likely be sitting at home watching Glee or some other rubbish – innit!

      jj joop

      September 29, 2014 at 1:45 pm

      • Playing computer games. (who invented the “computer”! it’s their fault!

        enigma

        September 29, 2014 at 3:30 pm

      • jj
        That’s the theme tune at the cutservatives conference.

        Ex-Vertegen Slave

        September 30, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    • We all understand why riots happen but riots don’t change anything, except some of those in riots end up with a criminal record.

      enigma

      September 29, 2014 at 3:14 pm

      • People who are forced to steal food may also end up with a criminal record.

        Landless Peasant

        September 29, 2014 at 4:03 pm

  7. Just what we have come to expect from these patronising out of touch jokers, I would go as far as to say they actually hold the youth of this Nation in contempt except when they are doing there dirty work for them by fighting illegal wars in the middle East, actions speak louder than any words and the fact that they have not got the imagination or ambition for our next generation other than a future stacking shelves in Poundworld or Poundland tells you everything you need to know. P.s any of you with further information about fraud currently going on at the offices of A4E or Maximus , would you be good enough to contact me on 07949 353631 as I shall shortly be presenting my evidence to Judge Johanna Cutts at Reading Crown Court.
    I will ring you straight back. Many Thanks. David Penson

    David Anthony Penson

    September 29, 2014 at 2:50 pm

  8. Someone above asked what happens to the over 50s…and then some else added “and [the over] 20s, 30s and no doubt 60s?

    Well, for a start, Jobseekers’ Allowance, tax credits, housing and child benefit will be cut in real terms until 2017 if the Tories win the election.:

    http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/09/29/tories-focus-on-core-vote-as-cameron-draws-the-line-against

    Tobanem

    September 29, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    • Yes Tobanem, that was on the News At one.

      Some Tory said it was a “difficult decision” to cut benefits.

      Like hell it was!

      Andrew Coates

      September 29, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    • I thought that would happen, pushing those even further down.

      enigma

      September 29, 2014 at 3:55 pm

  9. Osborne and IDS bashing benefits claimants to the Max – Conference.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    September 29, 2014 at 3:53 pm

  10. As shite as all this is, how does any of it differ from Labour’s so-called ‘Jobs Guarantee’?

    Landless Peasant

    September 29, 2014 at 4:00 pm

  11. Have a look at this video of IDS when he was leader of the Tories in 2003. Note the long string of words near the beginning:

    “We must destroy this double-dealing, deceitful, incompetent, shallow, inefficient, ineffective, corrupt, mendacious, fraudulent, shameful, lying [New Labour] Government once and for all”.

    Well, at least he didn’t last too long as Tory Leader! It’s a great shame he’s lasted so long as Work and Pensions Secretary!

    Tobanem

    September 29, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    • The weakest orators always include a great big list of words in speeches. He really is a tragic mess.

      Lucy

      September 29, 2014 at 4:19 pm

  12. Another one for the “Little List” of People who Won’t be Missed.”

    “The star of Channel 4’s Benefits Street has said pre-paid cards to prevent claimants spending their money on “fags and booze” are “not a bad idea”.

    Deidre Kelly – known as White Dee – charmed a packed fringe meeting at the Tory conference by appearing to agree with the party’s welfare policies.

    She backed action to prevent young people entering a life on benefits.

    But she clashed with an audience member who accused “people like you” of spending dole money on non-essentials.

    “I have had to work hard to get the luxuries in life,” he said, “Why should people like you get fags and booze on the state?”

    “People like me? Is that directed to me?,” replied Ms Kelly, before adding that she agreed unemployed people should not spend their benefits on “luxuries”.

    ‘Real world’
    “I do prioritise. My children are my priority. I would never buy a packet of cigarettes above buying them a pair of shoes. But I understand there are people who would.

    “But I do see where you are coming from as well. I don’t think that’s a bad idea of introducing maybe, like, a little card, where you can ensure people do get their groceries and their school uniforms.”

    But she added: “How would you keep control over every single person on benefits and try and control what they actually spend their money on?”

    She was speaking before Iain Duncan Smith’s announcement of a plan to give pre-paid cards to benefit claimants with drug and alcohol problems.

    But she did make her feelings clear on the work and pensions secretary in general, saying he was “completely out of touch with the real world”.

    “How hard is it really to make a system that actually works?”

    ‘Concentrate on kids’
    Ms Kelly said she had not seen Chancellor George Osborne’s announcement of three million more apprenticeships – to be paid for by a tighter cap on the amount households can claim in a year – but told the meeting better training for young people was vital.

    She said the government had to “concentrate more on the kids” to “stop them going into the system and getting stuck there for years and years”.

    But she also criticised the tougher sanctions introduced by the government for claimants who do not accept offers of work, saying the jobs were not always appropriate, saying: “Not everyone wants to work in an office or build a wall.”

    “You have to look at the individual”, she says. “What if there is nothing there for them at the end of the training scheme?”

    The reality TV star resisted attempts by headline-seeking journalists to get her to back David Cameron or criticise Ed Miliband, although a question about what she thought of the Labour leader was met with a long silence before she replied, diplomatically, that she had never met him.

    She did reveal that she was thinking of voting for UKIP – and that she has not ruled out standing for Parliament herself, but that it would have to be with her own party.

    Ms Kelly shared the platform at the Policy Exchange debate with Conservative MP Mark Hoban and the think tank’s head of Economic and social policy, Steve Hughes. It was chaired by BBC Newsnight Political Editor Allegra Stratton.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29411685

    Andrew Coates

    September 29, 2014 at 4:17 pm

    • The further the monkey climbs the tree, the more we see its arse.

      Lucy

      September 29, 2014 at 4:21 pm

      • Lucy: I couldn’t have put it better myself.

        Parker Pyne

        September 29, 2014 at 5:48 pm

      • It’s because of people like Deidre Kelly that Osborne is capping JSA for the next two years. People look at her and think we’re all like that. We’re not.

        And as for her assertion that her children are her priority and that she would never buy a packet of cigarettes above buying them a pair of shoes, what a crock of shit. I’ve met people like Kelly before. They make a big song and dance about “family” and how they would do anything for their kids, etc. The reality is she doesn’t give a rat’s arse about anyone but herself and her own self-aggrandizement.

        And incidentally, while she’s been on the piss in Spain, appearing on Celebrity Big Brother and generally grandstanding for the fucking cameras, who’s been looking after her kids?

        Hey Kelly, just piss off our screens and look after your kids.

        Huggy Bear

        September 29, 2014 at 6:18 pm

      • You’d think with all that money she’s made, she’d do something about her teeth. They’re a right fucking mess.

        Sideshow Bob

        September 29, 2014 at 6:26 pm

      • I think Huggy Bear’s comments are pretty much spot on. We’ll have the last laugh, though. Because in about 18 months from now, all that media money she’s made will be gone. She’ll have blown the lot. Then she really will be depressed.

        jj joop

        September 29, 2014 at 6:56 pm

      • There’s nowt wrong with me teeth!

        White Dee

        September 29, 2014 at 7:00 pm

      • I’m a national treasure, I am.

        White Dee

        September 29, 2014 at 7:01 pm

      • I’m a workaholic, this means I can’t stand people like you.

        enigma

        September 29, 2014 at 7:35 pm

      • We all have our price 🙂 , Huggy. I am almost certain that if say, Andrew Coates was offered a couple of million ££s to appear on Celebrity Big Brother and slag off the unemployed he would soon find a way of reconciling his conscience 😀

        The Price is Right

        September 30, 2014 at 2:39 pm

      • Yeah, reconciling his conscience… and his Marxist principles lol

        Ben Dover

        September 30, 2014 at 5:56 pm

      • More Monkey Climb Tree. More Monkey Likley To Fall

        Humpty Dumpty

        October 1, 2014 at 11:25 am

    • White Dee is a circus animal, too dim to realize it though she is enjoying it, playing cute little tricks for her masters and the gawping audiences entertained by the freak show spectacle.

      futureindoubt

      September 29, 2014 at 11:50 pm

      • futureindoubt, I agree, she is dazzled by the promise of celebrity and lasting fame. She is clueless to the exploitation she has invited into her life. She is now a media whore who will be spat out and forgotten when the next willing turn coat comes along. As she abuses those she has left behind, she is blind to the media abusing and using her.

        Animals in the circus don’t have any choice about their dreadful predicament. White Dee chose to suck up the cheap slops offered by the media. She could be Hayley Taylor Mk 2.

        Lucy

        September 30, 2014 at 9:12 am

  13. She’s an asset to the conservatives because they want people to think we are all like her. They would never make a program that reflects the truth about people on benefits. That the majority would love a job and can’t actually afford to spend their money on cigarettes and drink.

    Carol Joyce

    September 29, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    • I’m not over-weight, I’ve just had a wheelie bin of Ryvita.

      White Dee

      September 29, 2014 at 7:04 pm

      • Yeah, you look it and all.

        Sideshow Bob

        September 29, 2014 at 7:06 pm

      • She’s just another one of those who likes the life on benefits, now she will say anything against the unemployed because she gets paid for it.

        enigma

        September 29, 2014 at 7:13 pm

      • enigma:

        I think what you’re referring to used to be called The Judas Kiss.

        jj joop

        September 29, 2014 at 7:18 pm

      • Yes jj joop, as for the money she made, she’ll no doubt spend it as quick as she can, people like her always do. ultimately ending up with nothing.

        enigma

        September 29, 2014 at 7:26 pm

      • There will always be “what comes around, goes around”

        enigma

        September 29, 2014 at 7:31 pm

  14. if you got more than 16k in the bank you wont get hb unless you have receipts for 93% of the money if it was paid in in one go.

    had a friend try it and they knew the date the funds hit there account, then demanded proof of what it was spent on.

    super ted

    September 29, 2014 at 7:35 pm

  15. So the solution is, not to put anymore than 16k in your account!

    That’s one of the first questions asked when first making a claim for benefits, there will be of course many who make that mistake.

    enigma

    September 29, 2014 at 7:40 pm

  16. or you can get 10k worth of gold but only 1 time a year with no id any more n tax man will be told and will want id.

    super ted

    September 29, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    • It will come to it that everything we do, will involve showing our ID

      enigma

      September 29, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    • I’ve already got my 10k’s worth of gold. Fookin’ ace! As soon as the conference is over, it’s back to Spain for me and it’s back on the piss too. See you around losers!

      White Dee

      September 30, 2014 at 2:06 pm

  17. Another crackpot scheme.

    Expect more companys to suddenly decide theyre now a “social enterprise.
    Where’s all these ‘”community” placements going to come come from, they cant find enough now.
    Who’s going to organise it all.
    By the time arse4elbow or leech direct have taken their cut it will cost the taxpayer 3 times more than paying the benefit in the first place.

    Ex-Vertegen Slave

    September 29, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    • Very astute ex- vertegen slave, the so called not for profit companies that will procure money from the near sole backs of the unemployed.

      While you may be giving back to the community, this community even though you live in it, wont include you.

      gaia

      September 30, 2014 at 6:10 am

      • Tories are about businesses not people so it should come as no surprize when I announce they are and have been in the process of making being unemployed profitable.

        If your working 35 hours a week (placement) meaning benefit translated into hourly pay is £2.06 an hour, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that these employers are making a 200+% saving on staff. This means per claimant over 6 months the company pockets an extra £3’232 through not paying the national min. Now im sure claimants have noticed its usually not one claimant per employer so if a company has 10 placements the company pockets a cool £32’323 over 6 months.

        For 26 weeks of £72.40 it costs the tax payer £1’882 so these social enterprises could easily pay you this for 12 hours work at nat min, infact social businesses could take on all the unemployed and cancel out the entire JSA benefit SO this being an obvious fact WHY HAS government kept it at YOU WILL ATTEND, YOU WILL WORK 35 HOURS for less than the national min OR FACE SANCTION?

        Now social enterprises will claim they put it back into the community but the truth is starkly different.
        You see for a start THEY didn’t make it happen, YOU the placement did as I have witnessed at one such organisation that would literally not be in business today had that not been the case.
        Secondly and this is to dupe the working public, as they place this profit on things like drug treatment for instance, the government then reduce the same. You see the more business that gets conducted, the more prices get pushed up (domino effect) so while the public think taxes is getting reduced it has actually been diverted so you still end up paying what you did before but just through another method like VAT.

        gaia

        September 30, 2014 at 7:36 am

      • I agree gaia,
        “its usually not one claimant per employer”
        How about 18 at one time.

        “FACE SANCTION?”
        The lowest one for not doing, or not completing, the unpaid placement is 13 weeks!!! Treated worse than criminals.

        Why would any company take on AND PAY a young person, when all they’ve got to do is wait a few months and then GET PAID to have ten unpaid slaves!!

        Ex-Vertegen Slave

        September 30, 2014 at 9:33 am

      • Yeah, Gaia but these companies also get PAID ~ £2500 per slave per six months for the “hassle and inconvenience of having a slave around”, oh yeah, and the “training” costs lol

        Barrel

        September 30, 2014 at 2:49 pm

      • I forgot to mention that side of the measure.

        There’ll be people in the Unemployment Bizniz making a lot of money out of unpaid labour…..

        Andrew Coates

        September 30, 2014 at 4:27 pm

  18. For the young, “We are not talking about those people with children” you just know what many of them will do.

    enigma

    September 29, 2014 at 11:21 pm

    • We are not talking about parents with children.. not at the moment but you can be sure they will

      Kat Rehman

      September 30, 2014 at 8:20 am

  19. If the tories were truly concerned with treating these placements as work simulators then the first thing they would teach you , would be employment law.

    So like data protection we see another law deliberately ignored to fulfil a tory agenda and thus proving the tories are indeed backing the rich over the less well off by creating friction between the latter group by insisting the unemployed are dragging down the employed, by insisting that by treating this group like crap, we don’t have to raise tax. Well if they did that they would be screwed and they know this what with a 1.3 trillion debt hanging around the countries neck, a debt created by both tory and labour so they get elected by promising something that we could have never afforded at the time unless we raised taxes.

    gaia

    September 30, 2014 at 7:49 am

  20. A word about benefit smart cards.

    Ironically, these cards can’t be used in cheaper supermarkets like “Aldi” for example, because, according to the Government, Aldi does not meet the “set criteria”.

    Absurd. Mind you, it’s not quite as bad as a scheme in Cornwall years ago when miners were paid in special coins made by the mining company and which could only be spent in shops owned by the same private mining company – a company which made millions out of that one!

    Tobanem

    September 30, 2014 at 7:58 am

  21. Here is an interesting graph showing how the rich have got richer and the poor have got poorer:

    http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/9/25/6843509/income-distribution-recoveries-pavlina-tcherneva

    Anyone got the equivalent details for Britain?

    Tobanem

    September 30, 2014 at 8:11 am

    • Did a quick look for the UK graph similar to US but not found, it’s probably hiding, for reasons we know.

      enigma

      September 30, 2014 at 1:08 pm

  22. Meanwhile, Universal Credit is set for “accelerated” nationwide roll-out after success in North West:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/plans-announced-for-accelerated-rollout-of-universal-credit-after-success-in-north-west

    Tobanem

    September 30, 2014 at 8:36 am

    • “This marks a significant acceleration in one of the government’s biggest reforms and is a sign of the success of the policy so far. ”

      It isn’t a success at all, it’s a sign of pants wetting panic by the DWP. UC has cost so much money per claimant that the DWP are desperate to show success, where this is none.

      Very elastic word that, success.

      Lucy

      September 30, 2014 at 9:17 am

  23. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating.

    A6er

    September 30, 2014 at 9:49 am

  24. OT

    Is this a hoax:

    Police Scotland are investigating!

    Questioner

    September 30, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    • A hoax? no.

      enigma

      September 30, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    • “YES” votes in the bin?! But surely that’s where they belong lol 😀

      Fenriss

      September 30, 2014 at 6:04 pm

      • For the “greedy” yes!

        enigma

        September 30, 2014 at 6:23 pm

    • Shocking! Absolutely shocking! Alex Salmond must be rolling in his grave!

      Nicola Sturgeon

      September 30, 2014 at 6:07 pm

  25. It’s happened elsewhere. I guess it will soon be on the news.

    enigma

    September 30, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    • Sanctions, jsa, esa, lone parents, couples etc, (the pdf doc above)

      enigma

      October 1, 2014 at 7:37 am

  26. If this bullcrap ever does see the light of day and becomes law then I would advise any unemployed young person to commit crime instead as they would then have to do LESS Community Work! If you turn to drug dealing, mugging, burglary, it will be better for yourself.

    Landless Peasant

    September 30, 2014 at 10:23 pm

    • I know what you mean, but those things won’t put you on community service, you’ll be behind bars.

      enigma

      October 1, 2014 at 7:45 am

    • There is also that “criminal record!, which will/can affect you, for the rest of your life.

      enigma

      October 1, 2014 at 8:00 am

    • ffs not this shit again, LP, you sound like some old fart who wants to fuck up any young person daft enough to fall for a shite. Drug dealing, mugging and burglary not only will put you behind bars but they will make you UNEMPLOYABLE for the REST OF YOUR LIFE – you won’t even be able to get a licence to drive a taxi!. Why do old c****s like you LP, who are obviolusly on your way out, so keen to fuck up the life chances of the young. Why don’t you fuck off!

      Kool

      October 1, 2014 at 2:10 pm

      • Oh dear, sounds like someone’s got a habit.

        Sideshow Bob

        October 1, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    • PS you are always posting this shite over on the Void… as well as trying to incite OTHERS to RIOT. What a c!””£ you are!

      Kool

      October 1, 2014 at 2:12 pm

      • Calm down, dear!

        Sideshow Bob

        October 1, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    • And I expect Gaia will be along soon to tell us how great life behind bars is and how she used to share a cell with Charles Bronson – Britain’s Most Violent Prisoner and all that shit!

      Kool

      October 1, 2014 at 2:16 pm

      • Hmm…do you know what Kool. I don’t think you belong here. Now off you go, there’s a good fellow.

        Sideshow Bob

        October 1, 2014 at 4:38 pm

      • No, you toddle off Sideshow Bob and take that idiot Landless Peasant with you along with their incitement to very serious criminal offences; namely drug dealing, burglary, mugging and (rioting). Incitement is in itself a very serious crime! Besides posting such comments is truly reprehensible; impressionable persons could be reading them. Nobody is going to act out your fantasies for you Landless Peasant!

        Plod

        October 1, 2014 at 8:39 pm

      • Like it, don’t have to say a word and I still get a mention, media presence, tick.

        My mentioning that convicts DONT get SANCTIONED, always get feed, always get a roof over their head, have more money spent on them has obviously proved a hit, especially with the trolls/haters.

        I think what this group hate is, well its true and can be easily verified on the net not to mention ask any con, prison officer or even the government themselves. Where they fail though isn’t just because of this but because of their insistence to blur these facts with life behind bars which never once formed a basis for the points that were made.

        Their argue its a violent place, well I can get that just walking out of my house. Their also argue but you’ve nowhere to run, well unless you can afford to relocate the same could be said where you live except imagine a bigger prison coverage area.

        Getting onto whether one goes to prison or not really depends on certain facts like for a start prisons are currently over populated and when the case will almost often see judges award the penalty of community service for lesser crimes and first time offenders going guilty. In the case of say growing weed, how much you cultivate dictates the outcome when talking porridge so if your growing out of say 2 rooms corner to corner, expect a sentence where as 9 plants (half a kilo) will get you community service often or not. Prosecution always try to wing it on street value but any good defence solicitor will knock this out of the park as well growers don’t get full value for product and seldom ever sell what they grow in draws (9 bars usually min/9 Oz/quarter of a kilo) as this reduces risk.

        Last and not least not every criminal act gets discovered and their are thousands of growers for instance that have practiced for decades yet still remain in business, prison and record free like our obvious growing list of pedos.

        gaia

        October 2, 2014 at 7:38 am

  27. Con Conference:

    Cameron blowing sunshine up the arses of the masses of Conservative MP’s.

    Cameron’s speech – total shite!

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 1, 2014 at 11:09 am

  28. 10:10am 01 Oct 2014.

    Tory donor defects to Ukip

    Arron Banks, a Tory donor, defects to Nigel Farage’s party saying that ‘only Ukip’ supports my views – but is there still another defection to come?

    There is still speculation that another high-profile Tory could defect on the day of David Cameron’s conference speech.

    The move follows high-profile defections from two Tory MPs, Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless, as well as Boris Johnson’s former deputy mayor and the son of a Conservative backbencher.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11132737/Tory-donor-defects-to-Ukip.html

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 1, 2014 at 11:18 am

  29. Conference Latest:

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