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Rachel Reeves (Labour Conference) slates Iain Duncan Smith’s reverse “Midas Touch”.

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Rachel Reeves MP, Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary, in a speech to Labour’s Annual Conference 2014 in Manchester, said:

“Just think conference, it could be less than a year left for the Bedroom Tax.

Because the very first thing I will do if I am Secretary of State for Work and Pensions next May is repeal it.

It’s unfair, it’s unworkable, and it’s on its way out – across the whole of the United Kingdom. Scrapped, binned, axed, abolished, put out of its misery, consigned to the history books.

And that day can’t come soon enough.

And for those Liberal Democrats who now say they’re against it too – we will see how serious they are when Parliament returns. Because we will call a vote on the Bedroom Tax. Today I have written to Nick Clegg to urge him to do the right thing and vote with us – not to water it down, but to cancel it altogether.

Change can’t come soon enough for the half a million families caught by the Bedroom Tax, all of them on low incomes, two thirds of them disabled, clobbered by a government that has handed 13,000 millionaires a tax cut worth £100,000 with an average annual charge of more than £700.

Change can’t come soon enough for Tony Cunning, a former sheet metal worker I met in Trafford. He had to give up his job because he needed kidney dialysis three times a week. He was looking forward to having that equipment installed in his flat so he wouldn’t have to keep going into hospital. But then he was told that the room he needed for the dialysis machine counted as a “spare bedroom”. Tony faced the choice between finding another home, or finding another £977 a year to cover his rent.

Change can’t come soon enough for my constituent Alice. Alice works three shifts a day as a cleaner to support her family, but had to wait four months for tax credits she was entitled to. Alice was trying to survive on rolled over payday loans, and had to come to me to ask for food vouchers.

Change can’t come soon enough for the former Remploy workers I met in Wakefield. They were promised help to get new jobs when their factories were shut, but instead they were just abandoned.

So the Bedroom Tax is just the start of what we will have to put right after five years of this Tory-led Government. Five years of favours for a privileged few while life for working people and their families gets harder and harder. Five years in which David Cameron has left the Department for Work and Pensions in the hands of Iain Duncan Smith. A man with his own special Midas touch: everything he touches turns into a complete and utter shambles.

Universal Credit – stuck in first gear.

Work Capability Assessments – in meltdown.

Personal Independence Payments – mired in delays.

The Work Programme – failing the people who need help the most.

The Youth Contract – an embarrassing flop.

It would be comical if it wasn’t so criminal. We should be angry that taxpayers’ money is being squandered. That vulnerable people are being ill-treated. That lives are being scarred. That talent is being wasted. We should be angry – and they should be ashamed.

The Tories will leave a truly toxic legacy. And for all their talk about cutting welfare, they’ve overspent on social security by £13 billion in this Parliament with a rising in-work benefits bill left for the next government. Because what the Tories will never understand is that you can’t control the costs of social security if you’ve got economy where people can’t earn enough to keep up with the cost of living.

So let me be straight with you: there will be tough decisions on resources and priorities for the next Labour government. But we will also target the deeper causes of rising welfare spending by building a recovery that leaves no one behind.

That’s how we ensure a system that is fair and affordable, so we can keep up the fight against child and pensioner poverty, upholding and renewing the principles our welfare state was built on: responsibilities and opportunities for all who can work; dignity for those who cannot; hard work and contribution recognised and rewarded.

Those are my values, and this is my mission. So here’s our plan to deliver it:

Step one: a Compulsory Jobs Guarantee so no one is left on unemployment benefit for years on end.

Comment: we need details, and the rates of pay offered.

Step two: a Basic Skills Test so we intervene early to tackle skills gaps that can condemn people to a life on benefits.

Comment: There are already plenty of tests. Testing is part of the problem not the solution.,

Step three: a Youth Allowance that means young people who lack key qualifications are expected and supported to do the training they need.

Comment: What will the allowance be? Will there be a choice in training? Who will do the training?

Step four: replace the failing Work Programme, with power devolved to local councils and communities, instead of big contracts signed in Whitehall.

Comment:will  the Programme  still be outsourced to the usual suspects, SERCO, SEETEC and the other chancers?

What will it consist of?

Will Mandatory Work Activity be Abolished?

Will the exploitative and oppressive Community Action Programme be abolished?  

Will the timewasting prison of  Mandatory 35 hour Job s7 earch be abolished?

Step five: ensure our pensions market works for all working people, so that everyone can save for their future with confidence.

Comment: we need higher universal pensions not more markets.

Step six: ensure that disabled people who can work get the tailored support that they need.

And as for the Work Capability Assessment, we need real reform, with disabled people given clear rights and a real say. And I give you this commitment: as Secretary of State I will come down hard on any contractor that gets these critical assessments wrong, or fails to treat disabled people with the decency and respect they deserve.

Comment: we need an end to more privately run assessment fiddles: no more “contractors”!

And Conference, it’s not enough to get people into work if they’re still reliant on benefits to make ends meet. So we will get more workers paid a living wage. And because the fall in the real value of the National Minimum Wage since 2010 is now costing the taxpayer £270 million a year in additional benefits and tax credits, we’ll set the Low Pay Commission a target to raise the Minimum Wage to £8 an hour by the end of the Parliament, so we aren’t using our social security system to subsidise the profits of big companies paying poverty wages.

That’s a future worth fighting for. And the fight is now on. It’s a fight for hardworking mums and dads who put in the hours but still fear for their family’s future. A fight for every young person who deserves a fairer chance to make the most of their lives. A fight for all those doing what they can to get into work and who need to be supported not stigmatised. A fight for all the people forced into debt, or to queue at a foodbank, because of inexcusable benefit delays. A fight for hundreds of thousands of disabled people to stay in their homes without having to pay the indefensible Bedroom Tax.

We’ve got 226 days left to fight for that with everything we’ve got. Conference, let’s make it happen.

Labour Press.  

Concluding Comments.

A decent level of benefits should be the aim of any Labour government: work or full maintenance!

The present system needs a radical overhaul.

To begin with we need an end to the Sanctions Regime and a full review of the abuses taking place by the DWP and private contractors (in the Work Programme and elsewhere).

There should be prosecutions for those who have mistreated claimants.

Those private outsourcing companies engaged in profiteering from the system should be subject to hefty fines.

A priority for claimants is restoration of full of the Council Tax Benefit!

Plus a rise in benefit levels.

A grand People’s Commission, charged with creating an equal and fair welfare state, should have the power to bring the benefit system under democratic control for the good of all. 

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Written by Andrew Coates

September 23, 2014 at 11:38 am

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  1. It is vitally important to temper the exuberance of Rachel Reeves speech on Tory Welfare “reforms” – especially on step 1 (Compulsory Jobs Guarantee) and step 4 (replace the failing Work Programme with power devolved to local councils and communities instead of big contracts signed in Whitehall).

    Have a read at this:

    http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2014/09/23/rachel-reeves-weak-speech-has-little-to-offer-but-social-insecurity/

    Likewise, the following article on making the Work Programme regional rather than national, although well intentioned, needs to read with discernment:

    http://www.unemployednet.org/could-scotlands-no-vote-lead-end-work-programme

    Work Schemes – national or local – are suspect. What is needed, as I have said on here many times before, is the existence of an adequate level of proper gainful employment (real jobs from real employers) for all of the unemployed. Anything less than will just be another “Work Progamme” regurgitated under a different name or names!

    Tobanem

    September 23, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    • MACHINERY OF UNEMPLOYED OPPRESSION

      Interesting quote from the “Unemployednet” article above:

      “All major party leaders have promised to spread power more widely as a result of the Scottish vote.

      It must be hoped that this provides an opportunity to start dismantling the machinery of unemployed oppression across the whole UK”.

      Tobanem

      September 23, 2014 at 1:50 pm

      • Polly Toynbee on the Labour Party Conference:

        “It’s easy to call for a bottle of that Scottish referendum fizz – but tough to deliver in the world of real politics”.

        Tobanem

        September 23, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    • Very good points Tobenem – the devil is in the detail.

      I wholly agree with this, “Work Schemes – national or local – are suspect. What is needed, as I have said on here many times before, is the existence of an adequate level of proper gainful employment (real jobs from real employers) for all of the unemployed. Anything less than will just be another “Work Progamme” regurgitated under a different name or names!”

      Andrew Coates

      September 23, 2014 at 3:27 pm

      • Why cannot we except, that, sometimes there are never enough jobs for everyone and that, sometimes there are never enough people to fill those jobs. There is also the possibility that not everyone wants to work. Its all swings and roundabouts.

        Bernadette H

        September 23, 2014 at 3:50 pm

      • “Never enough people to fill the jobs” too many people going for the same position = too many people.

        enigma

        September 23, 2014 at 5:20 pm

      • A “possibility” that not everyone one wants to work, sorry but it’s a “fact”.

        enigma

        September 24, 2014 at 2:24 am

  2. In all my adult life, I have never seen, witnessed and experienced the levels of poverty, unprecedented cruelty, to both mentally and physically disabled and hatred to those who want to work, all except in the past 5 years or so. I am going to take a Big Gamble and vote for Labour. Whilst not expecting a great deal better than what’s currently on offer, Labour MPs could always, in my opinion, be reasoned with. We cannot reason with the coalition on any level. No More.

    Bernadette H

    September 23, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    • I forgot to mention, get them out, get them out, get them out, get them out, get them out,
      FUCKING GET THEM OUT. Thanks x

      Bernadette H

      September 23, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    • Yeh, try asking the special needs people who were locked up in nut houses for decades or protestors incarcerated in prison on nothing but a prefabricated lie.

      If theirs one true thing Bernadette H, its how history repeats, repeats, repeats.

      gaia

      September 23, 2014 at 7:11 pm

    • Would that be Unionist Labour you’re voting for ? The party of the United Kingdom.

      Fenriss

      September 24, 2014 at 11:46 pm

  3. I would like to know why Rachel Reeves is not calling for IDS to be brought up on charges for the people who have died under ‘HIS’ draconian welfare reforms.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    September 23, 2014 at 4:24 pm

  4. Its a shame council tax liability isnt on its way out to.getting people into proper paid work is a priority,however support should be given to those who have difficulty with a caring attitude.not whats been seen on post work programme support open blatant hostility/agression,and hoping its consequences doesn’t escape from the jobcentre.

    This behaviour makes people worse not better.this governments stupid “on the fly” reaction to newspaper headlines in the hope of a vote and so called equally thought “welfare reform” is being now shown for exactly what it is.playing to an audience.

    Diverting attention to the real culprits,who still live it up.

    ken

    September 23, 2014 at 4:30 pm

  5. Will Labour abolish Benefit Sanctions that are the greatest cause of poverty in UK today? Will JSA be increased to the correct legal level? Why do I need yet another Basic Skills Test when I have already been subjected to them at least 5 times, passed 100% each time, and have a string of Academic qualifications to my name? Or do I vote Green instead?

    Landless Peasant

    September 23, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    • For “Landless Peasant”

      Labour will not abolish benefit sanctions – just look at the words used to describe their measure to prevent long term unemployment: “COMPULSORY Jobs Guarantee”.

      “Compulsory” is much the same as “mandatory”, ie, fail to take up this kind offer, and you’ll be sanctioned!

      Tobanem

      September 23, 2014 at 5:19 pm

      • Yes, “compulsory jobs guarantee” this obviously means working for your benefits. we will no longer be counted as unemployed of course

        so they are replacing the word “mandatory” with “compulsory”

        “mandatory” which has been written in all letters that we have received but we know from experience, all those mandatory things were not compulsory, just like UJM, we don’t have to create an account on UJM, or go on some work programme because they are not compulsory, we can stop being put on these things because of them being mandatory.

        more and more people know this and so are fighting these mandatory schemes, which is why labour is now changing these upcoming schemes to “compulsory” just like the armed forces.

        enigma

        September 23, 2014 at 5:42 pm

      • Then Labour can get fucked, I’m voting Green instead.

        Landless Peasant

        September 23, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    • The compulsory jobs guarantee is just their version of Workfare.

      KJ

      September 26, 2014 at 2:21 am

      • Of course it is, it’s where we work full time for as little as possible, there will be no getting out of it, it’s yet another war on them.

        enigma

        September 26, 2014 at 8:25 am

  6. Will Labour legalize Marijuana and make it available on the NHS?

    Landless Peasant

    September 23, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    • If they did that they couldn’t then bring about the money making mandatory drug and alcohol testing their trying to instigate.

      Face it, unless UK people create their own ISIS of sorts, this governmental extremism will never end, why do you think they fear the grip the middle easts ISIS has that threatens their very way of governmental life so much ?

      gaia

      September 23, 2014 at 7:23 pm

      • Should have said mandatory drug and alcohol testing in the work place along with and this is actually happened now in the states, no welfare for people with drug and alcohol addictions.

        gaia

        September 23, 2014 at 7:28 pm

      • gaia you got any idea what this orange zone card that i have now been put in to??

        rang dwp in they not got a clue what they are doing or up too lol

        super ted

        September 23, 2014 at 8:47 pm

      • Isn’t it for travel?

        enigma

        September 23, 2014 at 8:59 pm

      • To enable you to travel even further to look for jobs maybe, not sure though, I’ve never had one.

        enigma

        September 23, 2014 at 9:03 pm

      • nope just says im now in the orange zone has job coach no and email details n few other bits and thats it.

        super ted

        September 23, 2014 at 9:05 pm

      • OOps, sorry super ted I didn’t notice the question.

        Im off out now but I will see what I can dig up for you on the matter.

        gaia

        September 24, 2014 at 8:48 am

      • Gaia

        Perhaps you should read this before referring to ISIS:

        http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/wannabe-terrorist-is-sent-to-jail-181765n.25411818

        Tobanem

        September 24, 2014 at 8:48 am

      • Thanks for the concern tobanem but what i said and what the individual said in your posted link cannot be compared by any stretch of the imagination.

        This individual in your link is clearly as stupid as the rigsby killers and quite frankly deserves what he got as hes yet another fool jumping on the band wagon and had he had any real claim would be in Syria or Iraq not that i condone their behaviour even out their.

        Any taking of life except in extreme circumstances is an ill thought out ideology especially when its being done to the wrong people. Sure i think Blair and Bush are guilty of war crimes but justice would be best served in a fair court and if that court decides guilt, then and only then should the sentence of death be carried out for such a crime.

        Their are always different ways to topple a government, none of which i feel require the behaviour we are witnessing today and lets face it, even IDS is hardly Mugabe although some might say their are some glaring similarities between the two.

        gaia

        September 24, 2014 at 11:29 pm

  7. One day it will appear, “unemployment figures as of ……. 0”

    enigma

    September 23, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    • “enigma”

      Yes, after they apply the electrodes to shock them back to work(schemes)!

      Tobanem

      September 23, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    • If it ever reads zero, you know its a definite lie or that government has financially collapsed.

      gaia

      September 23, 2014 at 9:18 pm

  8. Come on people who really gives a crap what labour say or have you all forgotten who actually introduced work programmes and mandatory placements?

    gaia

    September 23, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    • Gaia, your right, myself I don’t know who introduced such things, I’m not really into the history of who started what but am interested in what is, today.

      I don’t listen to any politicians, I know they will say anything to win, for this reason I have never voted.

      enigma

      September 23, 2014 at 7:47 pm

      • The problem with that enigma is the current party if the majority failed to register a vote would retain government for another term.

        No, what the public need to do is push government into introducing a VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE onto the ballot, then have the majority pick it as then we could totally exhaust the money they need from lobbyists (big businesses and rich people) and thus return things to the way they should be which is,

        THE GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE

        (Taken From Gettysburg Address but just as poignant to any true democracy).

        Now you know why American authorities are teaching police and soldiers during basic training that their founding fathers were terrorists.

        CAN YOU NOW SMELL THE FEAR OF THE WORLDS GOVERNMENTS THAT A REVOLUTION WILL ENSUE

        why our government wants to reduce our freedoms, order water cannons and keep hold of our hard earned money while setting conditions so impossible that you wont get it back or see it benefit you?

        gaia

        September 23, 2014 at 8:57 pm

      • put it this way if you went back in time 13 years ago you have much of the same it is now but less sanctions.tho they were there.

        was massive a4e offices where they kept you 8hrs a day 3 days a week for so called help support and job searching.

        was a fkn joke and a waste of time and it still is to date same shit over and over again all for the profit of the providers.

        and just think if every provider done what they said and found ppl work they would soon run out of stock to make money off and go bust.

        super ted

        September 23, 2014 at 9:01 pm

      • Here super ted, you might like this link and so will other people on this site if they fancy a look about our dear old A4E

        http://mya4e.com/about-us/who-we-are-what-we-do/a4e-historical-timeline/

        gaia

        September 23, 2014 at 9:13 pm

      • super ted

        September 23, 2014 at 9:26 pm

      • Interestingly enough super ted is how its been going on a mandatory basis for over a decade but has never ever yielded any real success and how the public are completely unaware of this.

        If it was a fix up house we would call it a moneypit.

        gaia

        September 23, 2014 at 9:30 pm

      • Sorry super ted but your link seems to have failed.

        gaia

        September 23, 2014 at 9:33 pm

      • was link to company’s house for a4e over 30 mortgages lol

        super ted

        September 23, 2014 at 9:37 pm

      • maybe you should read between the lines

        enigma

        September 23, 2014 at 9:47 pm

  9. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating.

    A6er

    September 23, 2014 at 8:27 pm

  10. They are all useless self serving gits. But I can’t wait to see Cameron and IDS thrown out!

    Carol Joyce

    September 23, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    • You mean like Blair who despite along with Bush dragged us into war under false pretences, WHO NOW EARNS MORE MONEY FOR LESS EFFORT THAN HE EVER DID ?

      No carol, we need to open the belly of hell itself for these people, even if it casts us back into the dark ages.

      gaia

      September 23, 2014 at 9:04 pm

      • Or how about a little wiki on the subject

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A4e

        gaia

        September 23, 2014 at 9:15 pm

      • Woops, the A4E wiki was meant to be attached to a post that me and super ted were recanting on above.

        Many apologise people.

        gaia

        September 24, 2014 at 5:59 am

  11. Lets hope so

    enigma

    September 23, 2014 at 8:45 pm

  12. Ive been talking to a lot of employed people lately and they’ve mostly all been saying their respective companies have stopped sick pay not to mention a system where they grade what they consider is the persons level of sickness.

    DID YOU KNOW?

    An employer can legally dismiss an employee for long term sickness.

    gaia

    September 23, 2014 at 9:23 pm

  13. DONT GET MAD, GET DATA PROTECTED,

    AS YOU CANT MAKE MONEY OUT OF SOMETHING YOU CANT PROCESS.

    Peace and good night.

    gaia

    September 23, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    • Right on, gaia, right on.

      Don’t tell them jack-shit. If I’m put on this 35 hour a week thingy, I will simply confirm my name and show them the letter I was given about my requiremet to participate in the scheme. I will also advise them that I’m only there because the letter says if I don’t attend without good reason it could affect my JSA. And I will not sign anything either as there’s no legal requirement for me to do so.

      jj joop

      September 24, 2014 at 10:45 am

      • THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE A F****** PENNY OF MY BACK!!!

        jj joop

        September 24, 2014 at 10:46 am

  14. “Please stop arguing with each other, or I’ll bang your heads together”, is what my mother and my father used to say to me and my brothers and sister.
    There is only one enemy. This government.
    You have more in common than you have differences.Stop the internal arguments and start the fightback. Arsenic.

    Beryl

    September 23, 2014 at 10:53 pm

  15. unwanted history lessons and unwanted political nonsense.

    enigma

    September 24, 2014 at 1:56 am

  16. A Q for all of those on here, “why the existents of benefit reforms?

    enigma

    September 24, 2014 at 2:15 am

  17. Existence even

    enigma

    September 24, 2014 at 2:26 am

    • Seriously enigma, you ask that in the same breath of unwanted history lessons and unwanted political nonsense. I fully understand now why you didn’t understand the ramifications of not voting.

      Well lets try counting with a picture

      http://www.debtbombshell.com/

      gaia

      September 24, 2014 at 5:56 am

      • I do not care for your messages, so no lets not try counting or try anything else.

        please refrain from replying to any of my messages.

        enigma

        September 24, 2014 at 8:17 am

      • That’s funny you did say I quote ” A Q for all of those on here “, maybe like the spelling mistake which lets face it we all do from time to time you meant but forgot to enter ” A Q for all of those on here except gaia ”

        No probs mate, I can see your offended so will do as you ask but in parting that is the actual answer to your question.

        gaia

        September 24, 2014 at 8:56 am

  18. PCS along with other unions preparing to strike for better pay

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29336167

    gaia

    September 24, 2014 at 6:12 am

    • LETS PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH

      Well I hope I speak for the unemployed when I say ” if we’re expected by you advisors to jobsearch 35 hours a week along with working 6 months for 30 hours as well as 10 hours jobsearch which if you break it down when talking JSA, meaning 37.5 hours a week strangely enough (that’s the actual weekly hourly figure people) at £1.93 an hour, then why do you think you deserve more” ?

      How about as civil servants like throwing around averages that the average civil service wage is £29’896 (figures taken from 2012 pay scales) my dear PCS.

      gaia

      September 24, 2014 at 6:34 am

      • Some junior public sector workers in the admin branches work a 37.5 hour week and it’s flexi time too. I know from previous experience

        Ex Civil Servant

        September 24, 2014 at 7:51 am

  19. Ive recently discovered how government is intending to reduce the long term stat figures, yep more smoke and mirrors designed to fool the public.

    Their no matter why you sign off counting claimants as short term when they sign back on but they wont tell you that as they are under instruction to string claiming periods together that don’t exceed 26 weeks so they can draconian our backsides.

    I must say its a clever ploy, immoral yes but clever none the less don’t you think ?

    gaia

    September 24, 2014 at 6:43 am

  20. Lastly as I have a busy day “Cameron and IDS stated they would make work pay”, well ive just worked 1 month then released from service (was meant to be 6 months) for asking for my wages what with having no money for food,etc,

    Todate and the local council know this as it was their scheme, the company still hasn’t paid me and get this, they CLAIM on their website “aim to break this cycle of unemployment, proving that people who want to work can”.

    For the record I was the first in every morning (managers and owners were always the last to arrive) and i was often the last to leave. Ontop of the paid hours I volunteered free of charge around an extra 13 hours a week and gave them skillsets (engineering) that were not a requirement of the job.

    The biggest insult to all this is the council via the taxpayer was footing my wages so its not like its coming out of the companies pocket but theirs a twist to this.

    The company I worked for FAILED to surrender the correct paperwork to the council (the council know this) so will I suspect and I certainly hope the council don’t support this attempt, pay me out of their own pocket so they can again USE the councils scheme without incident.

    Theirs way more to this story that you will want to hear but for prudent legal reasons I must abstain for now.

    gaia

    September 24, 2014 at 7:47 am

  21. EXPORTING UNEMPLOYMENT

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/23/sardinian-town-novel-way-cut-unemployment-pay-people-to-leave

    Just when you thought the 90 minute travel-to-work rule was harsh!

    Tobanem

    September 24, 2014 at 8:18 am

  22. DAVID CAMERON COMMENTS:

    “I have to say that after the events I’ve been facing over the past few days, assassination would be a welcome release.” September 2014.

    Tobanem

    September 24, 2014 at 8:30 am

  23. Has everyone forgotten that within less than one day of being put in post, Rachel Reeves was banging on to the media about how Labour would be harder on the unemployed than the tories are currently being? This was done as a sort of Top Trumps response to McVile gobbing off in a similar vein.

    Lucy

    September 24, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    • Lucy

      No, I certainly haven’t forgotten! As you can see in this Guardian report from October last year:

      http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/12/labour-benefits-tories-labour-rachel-reeves-welfare

      “Nobody should be under any illusions that they are going to be able to live a life on benefits under a Labour government,” she [Rachel Reeves] said. “If you can work you should be working, and under our compulsory jobs guarantee if you refuse that job you forgo your benefits, and that is really important.”

      She added: “It is not an either/or question. We would be tougher [than the Conservatives]. If they don’t take it [the offer of a job] they will forfeit their benefit.

      It’s a great pity there’s not enough old fashioned “ordinary” jobs to solve perennial unemployment. Instead we’ve already had numerous mandatory schemes and now “compulsory” jobs.

      Oh, and don’t forget, the SANCTIONS industry will still be flourishing!!

      Tobanem

      September 24, 2014 at 5:10 pm

      • i bet i wont get given a job, i got the sack from mwa on my first day, all i did was turn up pmsl

        super ted

        September 24, 2014 at 7:09 pm

      • The zone card, as you said you got in touch with the jobcentre to ask about the zone card, they didn’t know, but they do know, they are just not telling you, but the different colour cards people have will be used to put those people on different and longer schemes. depending on ones situation

        enigma

        September 25, 2014 at 3:25 am

      • JGS (Jobs Guarantee Scheme) = CWP (Community Work Programme) on speed!

        Same old shit

        September 25, 2014 at 8:12 am

      • Yes it’s just a different day, your uniform will be arriving shortly!

        enigma

        September 25, 2014 at 11:39 am

    • Lucy is right again.This can be traced back to tony blair back in the late 90s,certainly when the seeds were sown,for todays crisis.

      http://welfarenewsservice.com/tony-blair-destroyed-britains-faith-benefits-system-claim-researchers/

      But the key turning point in Blair’s fortunes with his erstwhile supporters was the disgrace over benefits. The attempt to force all the Labour MPs through the lobbies to vote for a cut in single parent benefit which will leave some of the already poorest families up to £10 a week worse off, led to a rebellion where 47 MPs voted against the government and around another 60 abstained.

      http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/sr216/german.htm

      I still say that the attacks on disabled stem from this time,and have crossed many red lines since

      ken

      September 26, 2014 at 4:50 pm

  24. Yes Tobanem, as before, the unemployed will be working full time for as little as possible for years to come. this time compulsory, no option but to do it.

    enigma

    September 24, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    • As I say below to “super ted”, Tory Mandatory Work has now morphed into Labour’s Compulsory Jobs.

      Sanctions are still there. Some Social Security!!

      Tobanem

      September 25, 2014 at 8:23 am

  25. Hi super ted, still nothing turned up about this orange zone card but I would imagine it would have something to do with different types of claimants like, short term, long term or work programme, no work programme, etc.

    gaia

    September 24, 2014 at 11:33 pm

  26. They picked on the unemployed, the sick, the injured, the old, even parents, now it appears they want to chastise school children too.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-29342539

    What will they to combat this, sanction free school meals and bus fares?

    gaia

    September 25, 2014 at 5:10 am

  27. Super Ted

    So you think the orange card is bad?

    Just wait until you’re issued with a striped (compulsory job) uniform with a black triangle on it – like the Arbeitsscheu (workshy) in the Nazi concentration camps!

    Tory Mandatory Work has morphed into Labour’s Compulsory Jobs. Some Social Security!!

    Tobanem

    September 25, 2014 at 8:19 am

    • Nice one Tobanem, you instantly drew me back to when that article from the BBC was posted on this very site (might have been your good self, i cant remember) on how the then Great British legion visited Hitler’s first concentration camp (Dachau in 1935) where apart from jews and convicts the WORKSHY were also imprisoned. TOP MARKS SIR.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11660668

      (11th paragraph down people)

      This governments crutch in todays society however is they couldn’t possibly enforce such a practice as even prisons cant force inmates to wear uniforms and if you or any have been inside will often see convicts wearing their own jeans, trainers, even tee-shirts if they so desire.

      The only area I see they may be able to is where regulation requires one to wear a hi vis but even then your NOT legally obliged to wear theirs and can supply yours.

      If they attempt this people they cost less than £3.00 for vests and only £16.00 or less for lined jackets or fleeces, and even the likes of sports direct sell them currently.

      http://www.sportsdirect.com/dunlop-hi-vis-bomber-jacket-mens-634001?colcode=63400113

      Sports direct or at least they did or was that JD sports even run a service where their print what you want on the back (profanity excluded I believe).

      ANY SUGGESTIONS PEOPLE?

      gaia

      September 25, 2014 at 11:42 am

      • Gaia

        Yes, it was me right enough who posted the BBC report on the 1935 visit to Dachau concentration camp by members of the British Legion. The report included he German word “Arbeitsscheu” (workshy), so I wanted to draw attention to the use of the English word “workshy” by the Tory Tabloids in this country today.

        Mind you, I don’t think the unfortunate inmates at Dachau had the free choice of what uniforms to wear! Their uniforms were COMPULSORY. (Now where have I heard that word recently)?!

        Interestingly, that 1935 visit was by English members of the “British” Legion; the Scottish branch refused to go:

        http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/scots-refused-to-shake-the-hand-of-nazis-legion-members-were-appalled-at-english-naivety-over-dachau-visit-1.176553

        Tobanem

        September 25, 2014 at 2:02 pm

      • There is an enduring wish on the part of some people to punish the unemployed.

        Andrew Coates

        September 25, 2014 at 4:20 pm

  28. That orange card is the first step of your future uniform!

    enigma

    September 25, 2014 at 8:33 am

    • they got no chance getting me in one of them lol, near every letter i have from the jcp that says its mandatory and i have not had to stay and do any of it.

      super ted

      September 25, 2014 at 6:28 pm

      • Because “mandatory” is voluntary, as you know and as you said, you didn’t have to do any of the mandatory things, (I too!)because there are docs that we can all get, which stops us from doing those mandatory schemes, (because they are not compulsory) there is also those who went to tribunals because of the mandatory things which they won, because mandatory doesn’t mean compulsory, as you and others know, all letters that state the word “mandatory” come with a warning of sanction, that is just to scare people into doing what they are told.(for those who don’t know what “mandatory” means)

        But now comes the word “compulsory” there won’t be any docs that state we don’t have to be on any scheme, there will be no option but to do it.

        This is why mandatory is changing to compulsory.

        enigma

        September 25, 2014 at 7:03 pm

      • For some, including me, it will be like being back in the military, but this time without my gun, helmet and tank!

        enigma

        September 25, 2014 at 7:46 pm

      • i have had plenty of sanction doubts but as i fought them all i won them if i done nothing they would have had my jsa stopped no doubt about it.

        i even got a warning letters from my jcp as i stress out there staff n they dont like it haha

        super ted

        September 25, 2014 at 7:47 pm

      • Those warnings meant nothing to me either. that’s just it, you fought them all and won because it is possible,

        until, out goes mandatory, in comes compulsory. (yet another battle!)

        enigma

        September 25, 2014 at 7:57 pm

      • super ted:

        I’ve got one of those letters from the Jobcentre as well, advising that they will no longer accept any enquiries from me by email. Apparently I am regarded as a potential threat to JCP staff and the local authority has also been advised of it as well. My crime? I told my adviser by email exactly what I thought of her. Although I didn’t actually threaten her, though. The top of the letter is headed:

        First Warning Letter – Advising customer of unacceptable behaviour / control measures

        jj joop

        September 26, 2014 at 10:11 am

    • they got no chance in hell making me ware one of them

      super ted

      September 25, 2014 at 6:29 pm

      • I got a warning to super ted,threatened with a ban.just keep going and winning.

        ken

        September 25, 2014 at 8:22 pm

      • what makes me laugh is at the bottom it says if i want to speak to someone about it it must be in a written letter.

        then says we will not deal with this over the phone or by email.

        super ted

        September 25, 2014 at 8:39 pm

  29. DID YOU KNOW?

    Communities Secretary Eric Pickles said (26 May 2011) the camp (Auschwitz-Birkenau) , which stands as an enduring symbol of the Holocaust, was an importance place of remembrance which served to educate people about the horrors of the Holocaust.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-13565629

    Yes Eric Pickles. lets remember,

    The Nazis believed that only Germans could be citizens and that non-Germans did not have any right to the rights of citizenship.

    The Nazis racial philosophy taught that some races were untermensch (sub-human). Many scientists at this time believed that people with disabilities or social problems were genetic degenerates whose genes needed to be eliminated from the human bloodline.

    Hey is it poor old me but doesn’t that just strike an eerily similarity to our current governments welfare and immigration reforms?

    gaia

    September 25, 2014 at 12:00 pm

  30. Its becoming convert or die. jobcentre plus are displaying a breathtaking attitudes despite being confronted with their policies, that dog shit carries more weight then they do legally.

    ken

    September 25, 2014 at 2:02 pm

  31. super ted

    They’ll be turning you into a Clockwork Orange next!

    Tobanem

    September 26, 2014 at 7:51 am


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