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Tests for “psychological resistance to work” to Determine who goes to 35 Hours Prison.

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Wiser than the DWP “psychological testers”. 

Having had time to look into this one it certainly trumps previous hare-brained DWP schemes.

In fact I’ve known many March hares, very cautious and reliable spring hares, with wit and intelligence,  who have had more sense than the people who came up with this “nudge” (or kick in the bollocks),

People claiming benefits will be expected to undergo attitude tests to assess if they have a psychological resistance to work under new plans revealed by the employment minister.

Esther McVey said benefit claimants will be profiled to see if they feel “determined”, “bewildered” or “despondent” at the prospect of employment.

Those who are deemed less mentally prepared for life at work will undergo intensive coaching at the job centre, The Telegraph reports, while people who are judged to be more positive about work will be placed on less rigorous schemes.

It will be scales of eager, despondent, maybe apprehensive. There are factors within that: somebody who is apprehensive but willing is different from someone who is reticent but disengaged,” said Ms McVey.

Independent

The Telegraph adds,

Ms McVey’s “segmentation” programme has been inspired by the work of Therese Rein, the wife of the former Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, whose firm has used attitude profiling in back-to-work schemes since the 1990s.

Back-to-Work, that is workfare schemes, for which Australia is notorious.

Segmentation or “selection” as we might call it.

This is the most relevant bit,

It is likely to be used to select candidates for the work programme, under which claimants have to work in order to receive benefits. It will also be used to recruit to a new scheme obliging the long-term unemployed to spend 35 hours a week at the Jobcentre as they learn to write cover letters and sit interviews.

So ‘tests’ with about as much scientific validity as astrology, crystal therapy and homoeopathy, will be used to decide who gets sent to Jobsearch prison for 35 hours a week.

 

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  1. There’s going to be big trouble.

    Not just in UK, there are the same schemes in other countries. you just know what’s going to happen.

    enigma

    September 8, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    • Absolutely, it’s like sanctions which have been introduced and now tightened up for the unemployed in France.

      Bad money drives out good.

      Andrew Coates

      September 8, 2014 at 4:45 pm

  2. Reblogged this on seachranaidhe1.

    seachranaidhe1

    September 8, 2014 at 5:17 pm

  3. every time the jcp sends me on a cv help place they just send me back to the jcp as not suitable.

    yet they still keep trying it must have gone to over 20 now and same every time.

    got no cv as i have nothing to put on one and same goes for cover letters and references.

    cant lie on a cv as its classed as fraud which is why to date the jcp has no cv because i have nothing to put on it.

    super ted

    September 8, 2014 at 5:20 pm

    • “cant lie on a cv as its classed as fraud which is why to date the jcp has no cv because i have nothing to put on it” – unfortunately IDS (or the name on his birth certificate: George Smith) seems to have got away it.

      wildswimmerpete

      September 9, 2014 at 6:12 pm

  4. Remember that nudge unit questionaire from a year or so ago? The one where, no matter your answer, the result was the same? Here we go again! No matter how you answer, they will decide the outcome for you to suit their needs – assuming any of the outcomes is remotely helpful (they won’t be).

    ghost whistler

    September 8, 2014 at 5:33 pm

  5. well if you get sent to a provider for this just refuse to sign the data waver and its game over and refuse them a copy of ur cv.

    super ted

    September 8, 2014 at 5:52 pm

  6. The Tories are breaking this country – Cameron, Iain Duncan Smith and his fluffer Esther McVile are murdering tens of thousands of people by welfare cuts, firstly assessing people saying they are fit for work when they are not, then when these people who are disabled, dying of Cancer, have life changing diseases such as mental health problems etc cannot do the slave labour work scheme designed to be registered as work (so fiddles the unemployment figures stating there are X amount in employment when there isn’t, they have been sanctioned or sent on a workfare slave labour scheme) they get sanctioned, now this mean ALL their money is stopped, they are left with NOTHING, many starve to death, the others have either taken their own life or died of their disease because they never had money to get treatment or food or medicine.

    This is Nazi Law in the UK in 2014

    Marcus Wanky

    September 8, 2014 at 6:18 pm

  7. does anyone know the fees that will be paid for this farce.??

    super ted

    September 8, 2014 at 6:19 pm

  8. Surely someone would be perfectly within their rights to refuse to answer any questions or take part in any survey? It would be interesting to see what happens if the jobcentre tries to sanction someone who refuses any such pseudo-psychological profiling.

    Samwise Gamgee

    September 8, 2014 at 10:27 pm

  9. i dont think they will be able to mandate you to do it lol if they do get it in righting first.

    super ted

    September 8, 2014 at 10:32 pm

  10. You can see similarities between how the Nazi system operated and the current British system as well as the systems around the world; you only need watch some of the documentaries about the Nazis, like “a warning from history”
    The undesirable’s, the unemployed of course are not wanted, when the creation of the welfare reform started, they obviously knew that a lot of people would commit suicide because of the welfare reform, which would bring down the welfare bill, as some of you have said on here, what they want is for us to sign off completely, but really this is not good enough because we are still alive, as some of us just might not commit suicide and will apply for benefits again, the welfare reform, their plan, isn’t going fast enough, there are still a few million on benefits, so here comes those nasty schemes which will drive even more of the unwanted to hunger, homelessness and suicide.
    Just like the Nazi’s concentration camps, put the unwanted in there, without food/housing they will soon die.
    I can imagine camps being set up for the unemployed, no benefits of course, just food, the unemployed made to work, as a lot of people have told me, “I will never work again for the rest of my life” I do tell them what you really mean to say is I will never be in paid employment again for the rest of my life” because of the fact there isn’t enough jobs, and just too many people.
    We all know it will be scheme after scheme, until those camps are built

    enigma

    September 9, 2014 at 12:00 am

    • AAgreed! But we have to learn from history and stop it before it gets that far or the sacrifice of those who went before us will be in vain. And the disabled are doing a great job fighting back as are bedroom tax haters. And I know it’s hard when u are terrified of DWP but…. us indesirables should make it clear we “are all in this together..”

      kat rehman

      September 9, 2014 at 8:00 am

    • Welfare News Service.

      “Up to 212,000 people have been ‘beaten up for being on benefits’ as a direct result of the despicable ‘scrounger’ rhetoric in the media and ‘poverty porn’ TV programmes, a shocking new survey reveals today.

      A survey by YouGov reveals the devastating impact of newspaper benefits propaganda, and ‘poverty porn’ programmes like Channel 4’s Benefits Street, on some of Britain’s poorest and most vulnerable citizens.
      The YouGov survey shows that up to 212,000 people have been attacked for being on benefits, while 11% had even been shunned by their own families.
      YouGov asked 2,352 benefit claimants: “Have you ever been verbally or physically abused because you are on benefits? 15% said they had experienced verbal abuse and 4% admitted they had been physically assaulted.

      If the survey had asked every single benefit claimant in the UK it would suggest that nearly 212,000 have been physically assaulted.

      6% of respondents said their children had been victims of bullies, while 16% said they had been turned down for a home for being in receipt of benefits.

      Campaigners and charities are now calling on the media and the government to end their use of socially divisive language, which is turning British society against itself.

      Philipp Newis from the Who Benefits? campaign told the Daily Mirror:

      “We’ve heard a lot of negative talk from politicians about benefit claimants, even though these are people who might need support for all sorts of reasons.

      “Around 4.3million families receiving benefits are in work, but earning too little to get by.

      “Many others are ill, caring for a loved one or have lost their job. It could happen to any one of us.”

      The survey was carried out by YouGov on behalf of a number of charities including Gingerbread, MIND and the Children’s Society.

      Its findings will be sent to a report which is investigating whether benefit claimants are being treated like second-class citizens.”

      http://welfarenewsservice.com/212000-people-beaten-benefits-shocking-survey-reveals/

      Andrew Coates

      September 9, 2014 at 9:16 am

      • employed people attacking the unemployed as is now known, today two jobseekers, one unemployed for 4 years, other had a job earlier this year, the 4 year person knows he will be put onto the 35 hour prison stint, mean while the other thinks he will not have to do the 35 hour stint, so now the 4 year man dislikes the other man, now we have jobseekers arguing and fighting each other because of the differences he or she man have to do, but then there is also the employed who are scared of losing their jobs which also leads to fights, it is getting out of control.

        enigma

        September 9, 2014 at 4:35 pm

  11. “Claimants in three unidentified Jobcentres are currently being interviewed to assess their attitudes, norms and self belief regarding work; this along with a ‘background profile’, reported to determine if they come from a ‘troubled family’, the likely support of any partner in looking for work and their job history; will decide the ‘segment they are directed to”.

    That word “segment” is very interesting…is it “Cell Block A or Cell Block B”?

    More here:

    http://jaynelinney.wordpress.com/2014/09/06/mcveys-latest-psycho-babble-project-is-a-ploy-to-divert-public-money-to-private-sector/

    Tobanem

    September 9, 2014 at 8:21 am

  12. BACK TO WORK – by Email!

    Now we have the “Privatised Sicknote” – another money-saving enterprise from the Tories in which a private company, Maximus, will have the power to email you back to work!

    And just when you were recovering from the absurdity of the new attitude test!!:

    http://www.tribunemagazine.org/2014/09/multinational-takes-charge-of-sick-pay-eligibility/

    Tobanem

    September 9, 2014 at 8:36 am

    • More on “Back to Work – by Email”

      “If the sick person does not co-operate, they will not be eligible for sickness benefit. The initial assessment will be made on the phone not in person and will probe non-health issues as well as the illness”.

      Tick-box medical assessments over the phone by a pen-pusher? ATOS was bad enough! Am I still living on planet Earth?

      Thankfully, this development won’t apply in Scotland – even without Independence!

      Tobanem

      September 9, 2014 at 8:44 am

      • SO WILL A DOCTOR STILL GIVE YOU A SICK NOTE AT THE SURGERY

        Mr Greenford

        September 9, 2014 at 9:11 am

      • …and run by Maximus, one of the worst companies in the WPP arena. I’d guess that the many GPs who have set up private Occupational Health companies as a profitable and private concern, piggybacking off their GP surgeries will be first in the queue to grab the cash available to carry out these shabby assessments.

        Because being paid £150k pa for 3 days work a week, just isn’t enough to manage on. Poor mites.

        Poor us.

        Lucy

        September 9, 2014 at 10:44 am

    • It says I am forbidden to look at the link you posted. Would you repost it, please?

      siuan

      September 15, 2014 at 2:13 pm

  13. “will have to take part in intensive attitude readjustment coaching in job centres.”

    http://welfarenewsservice.com/unemployed-given-attitude-work-interviews/

    What the hell is happening here? reeducation camps in the uk?.

    We didn’t share in the supposed boom times,but we are supposed to suffer its losses. and they tell us we need educating.

    ken

    September 9, 2014 at 9:53 am

    • It certainly is a form of compulsory ‘re-education’.

      As others have noted, the word “selection” has an even more sinister history.

      Andrew Coates

      September 9, 2014 at 10:37 am

      • Somebody has hit the panic button. May Next Year And Next Week ???

        Mr Greenford

        September 9, 2014 at 10:42 am

  14. The only hope is that the DWP nudge unit have stolen parts of other psychological tests, as they did with their last attempt at this kind of twaddle and they get found out by the original authors and those authors, sue the DWP.

    The nudge unit “chose” the parts to steal using a pin the tail on the donkey/wild stab in the dark approach, then fluffed it badly by using an algorithm that gave everyone who took the test, the same result. This is what happens when you recruit nippers, straight out of college with a third in Psychology.

    Hope someone leaks the questionnaire soon.

    Lucy

    September 9, 2014 at 10:39 am

    • The DWP should have to publish this psycho test in advance of it being utilised by any JCP, also the Public Accounts Committee should be able to study it in full detail before it goes live(including the cost per claimant), that should get it out in the open, also watchout for Channel 4 News getting wind of it, they seem to get wind of everything else.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      September 9, 2014 at 10:59 am

      • I once did a ‘psychological test’.

        It said that I had unconventional opinions….

        One of its main conclusions was that I trusted people too much.

        My friends had a good laugh about that!

        Andrew Coates

        September 9, 2014 at 11:01 am

      • Somebody email them these links ?

        Mr Greenford

        September 9, 2014 at 11:01 am

      • Do They Know About Us

        Mr Greenford

        September 9, 2014 at 11:03 am

  15. Just remembered, when I signed on last Thursday there were signs up stating that floor by floor there will be some disruption over the next few weeks as they are installing an array of computers to facilitate claimants jobsearch.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    September 9, 2014 at 11:12 am

    • …in the corridors, in the staff bogs, on the roof, in the stationery cupboard, windowsills, slim client etc

      Lucy

      September 9, 2014 at 2:30 pm

      • I’m slim so that’s the correct jobcentre for me!

        enigma

        September 10, 2014 at 5:16 am

  16. The idea of this attitude test came from Australia where they created their work schemes etc in the 90’s, they must have had the same problems, “resistance” (which there always will be) when first starting, they are going to try and change peoples attitude toward working for as little as possible. and be thank full for it.

    enigma

    September 9, 2014 at 1:48 pm

  17. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating.

    A6er

    September 9, 2014 at 3:05 pm

  18. If they subject me to this test I will seek legal advice. I have a diagnosed Personality Disorder, so am bound to fail it. Then what? Do I get a Sick Note? No amount of coaching can alter the way in which my brain functions.

    Landless Peasant

    September 9, 2014 at 3:26 pm

  19. Watch out for emails from employment egencies asking you to apply for a job that’s about 90 minutes away by public transport. The email is likely to have come from one of the DWP’s ‘data processors’, and the liklihood is they are checking up on you.

    Jack Cade

    September 9, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    • will have a hard job dwp have no email for me or phone number nor do any providers 😉

      super ted

      September 9, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    • Already Started, Mostly with call centres In this area Zenith Of Bury St Edmunds And Anglian First Home Improvements Of Diss AFHI Is not however ANGLIAN WINDOWS

      Suffolk

      September 9, 2014 at 4:43 pm

  20. DWP PSYCH ‘TEST’ DEVISED BY US ‘TORTURE GURU’
    bogus online personality ‘test’ of 48 questions that Jobcentre Plus is forcing claimants to complete on behalf of the DWP – bogus because whatever answers you select, or even if you select none at all and just click next, you get the same or very similar answers.
    From further investigation, it became apparent that this ‘test’ – forced on claimants as a ‘Jobseeker Direction’ that can result in ‘sanction’ of benefits if not obeyed – is being used as a tool to manipulate and intimidate terrified benefit-claimants, with the result that many could lose benefits simply for not being computer-literate, or even literate at all. That this is being done in a context of claimants committing suicide because of the fear of losing their benefits is utterly immoral.
    The more information that comes out, the bleaker and more damning the picture gets. That the ‘test’ and the issues around it show a callous disregard for human welfare and even human life on the part of Iain Duncan Smith’s Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) and the Tory front bench is hardly contestible. But there is an even more damning revelation.
    The ‘test’ that the DWP ‘borrowed’, and is forcing unemployed people to take on pain of losing their benefits, was devised by a US psychologist alleged to have devised psychological-torture interrogation programmes for the US military and the CIA.
    The questions the DWP has ‘borrowed’ come from the ‘Values in Action Inventory of Strengths’ test devised by Christopher Peterson and Martin ‘Marty’ Seligman. In 2001, Marty Seligman allegedly convened a ‘counter-terrorism and psychology’ meeting at his home, attended by, among others, the alleged creator of the CIA torture program, Dr. James Mitchell, and CIA Director of Behavioral Sciences Research, Kirk M. Hubbard.
    Following this meeting, the CIA hired Dr Mitchell’s firm, Jessen and Associates, to devise an interrogation programme. In the same year, 2002, Kirk Hubbard invited Prof. Seligman to give a 3-hour lecture to the Navy SERE school in San Diego on his ‘learned helplessness’ concepts – a lecture attended by Mitchell, Jessen and Hubbard, and co-sponsored by the CIA.
    Later the same year, the APA (American Psychological Association) amended its ethics rules to allow psychologists to ‘override’ their ethics when following orders from the CIA and the military, and the ‘enhanced interrogation’ programme – including the now-infamous ‘waterboarding’ technique and locking detainees in a ‘dog box’ – was launched.
    A series of meetings, seminars and ‘workshops’ spun off from this, and an ethics ‘task force’ was launched by the APA to oversee the process – with 6 of its 10 members being psychologists employed by the CIA and military.
    The results of the programme have been publicised, with journalists and even the occasional supportive politician undergoing waterboarding to see whether it’s as bad as has been claimed. As far as I know, no one has been able to bear it for very long.
    In 2010, anti-corruption procurement processes were bypassed to aware a $31m, ‘no-bid’, sole-source contract to the University of Pennsylvania’s ‘Positive Psychology Center’ for training US soldiers in resistance to interrogation. The unit is directed by Prof. Seligman.
    These may sound like ‘conspiracy theory’ ravings, but they are documented facts. You can read about them in a document published by the Coalition for an Ethical Psychology.
    That the DWP is threatening people with the removal of their benefits if they don’t take a test that provides meaningless answers is deeply worrying – ‘psychological torture’ to describe it.
    But that the DWP and its contractors are using a test devised by a man who appears to be closely-associated with actual psychological torture by military and intelligence organisations makes the whole matter even more damning – and one that should be occupying the attention of Parliament and the media.

    enigma

    September 9, 2014 at 5:58 pm

    • David Camoron sucks Iain Duncan Smith’s cock and drinks his nut juice.

      Marcus Wanky

      September 9, 2014 at 9:18 pm

  21. I’m am going to have a go to try and get a copy of the attitude test, if I find it I will put it on here.

    enigma

    September 9, 2014 at 6:54 pm

  22. If it’s a written test I won’t fill it in, I’ll simply wipe my arse on it and hand it in. If its a computer test I’ll just break the keyboard with my fist. That should show them my attitude.

    Landless Peasant

    September 9, 2014 at 8:21 pm

    • Confirming that after a long struggle I have found it. Once on the register page scroll down to the link and it’s 48 questions long in 10 minutes. Sorry about the other links they would not work but this IS the one http://WWW.THEREGISTER.CO.UK/2013/04/25/DWP_DWP_PSYCH_TEST There is a mandatory link to your PERSONAL email account with an instruction to send to your advisor. Once on the page you can’t come off till completed and forwarded

      PHILIP

      September 10, 2014 at 8:13 am

      • PHILIP

        September 10, 2014 at 8:15 am

      • Alas, the link is to the dodgy test from the nudge unit, from last year. This was outed as being a mishmash of stolen sections from other psychological assessment tools.

        I am sure that this isn’t the attitude test they are going to pilot now.

        Lucy

        September 10, 2014 at 8:27 am

    • an email address for you ADMIN@BEHAVIOURLIBRARY.COM

      -

      September 10, 2014 at 11:11 am

      • Thanks. I’ve just emailed them to inquire as to the suitability of applying such a test to someone with a diagnosed Personality Disorder.

        Landless Peasant

        September 10, 2014 at 11:57 am

      • It bounced. The email address is defunct.

        Landless Peasant

        September 10, 2014 at 1:31 pm

      • Yes I also tried http://www.behaviourlibrary.com I got a Forbidden Access On This Server Notice

        Mr Greenford

        September 10, 2014 at 6:48 pm

  23. give that kbd some shit lp 😉

    super ted

    September 9, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    • Hahaha that’s the way!

      Landless Peasant

      September 9, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    • I would love to see someone kick off like this in the Jobcentre, wouldn’t you!

      jj joop

      September 10, 2014 at 9:09 am

      • Hi jj joop, I have seen a lot a arguing and also fighting in the local jobcentre last year, the claimants who were told that their benefits were suspended just went crazy and grabbed their collars, pulling them over their desks, I also remember one day I was waiting to sign on, sat on my own for there was no one else waiting, then there was yet another claimant going for an advisor, again right over his desk he was dragged, then I noticed that the security guards still standing at the front door, meanwhile other advisors also noticed them then looked at me as if I would sort it all out. the police are there just about every day. sorry you missed it!

        enigma

        September 10, 2014 at 11:21 am

    • Landless Peasant:

      I read the article and it makes for disturbing reading. The unemployment rate in Bradford is 4.5% compared to 2.4% in the UK as a whole. So why an earth have they chosen an unemployment blackspot to pilot this scheme? The subtext is clear.

      jj joop

      September 10, 2014 at 9:08 am

      • It’s Class War, pure & simple, and could well lead to Riots. Bradford is a ticking bomb.

        Landless Peasant

        September 10, 2014 at 11:44 am

  24. that works out at 725 ppl a day fkn lol over 1 month there jcp aint no where near the size for that many ppl to fit in it.

    if they got 1 shit hole and it takes each person 10mins or less to drop there bombs only 80 ppl will get to take a shit n they be closed for the day.

    id add a bag and bog roll to ur travel expenses u shat on a bus n you get barred.

    super ted

    September 9, 2014 at 9:19 pm

  25. I’m trashing my computer because I can’t find the silly attitude test on line, it is my computers fault, that German kid will understand.

    enigma

    September 10, 2014 at 7:31 am

  26. Ok Thanks Lucy. I have a distant cousin in the DWP I got some of the information there.
    I don’t know if they will help anymore

    PHILIP

    September 10, 2014 at 8:54 am

    • I haven’t turned anything up on this latest one either Philip. It may not exist yet, which is the typical style of the DWP – gob off to the media, then ten days before the pilot starts, run around like blue arsed flies, photocopying, cutting and pasting, hoping that no one notices.

      Lucy

      September 10, 2014 at 3:33 pm

      • I hope someone gets the copy of the test though.

        We will have great fun with it!

        Andrew Coates

        September 10, 2014 at 4:00 pm

  27. a wasp
    a wasp on your nose.
    My fist on your nose
    I was only trying to kill the wasp your honour.

    would all be good answers to that test.

    growls

    September 10, 2014 at 12:11 pm

  28. REALFARE

    National day of action tomorrow against sanctions, bedroom tax and benefit cuts :

    http://antibedroomtax.org.uk/2013-05-29-04-42-41/latest-news/110-stop-sanctions-11th-sept-day-of-action

    Tobanem

    September 10, 2014 at 5:50 pm

    • I don’t think CH4 or Mr Snow will take this up. Too worried abot CH4 share of the licence fee

      Recklinghausen

      September 11, 2014 at 5:16 am

      • Shush, not a lot of people know this… 🙂 it’s me and Kathy Newman’s dirty little secret… 🙂

        Jon Snow

        September 11, 2014 at 7:19 am

      • On a serious note. Could we invite Ian Hislop and ”Private Eye” Magazine to get involved too. Or is that pushing our luck.

        Mr Greenford

        September 11, 2014 at 7:39 am

  29. Which PA @ Which WPP is now promoting ”Personal Skills” and CV / Letter Writing – Spelling And Grammar to his ”clients”. Same PA does not like people thinking for themselves. Thinks we should be as methodical as he/she is?

    Recklinghausen

    September 11, 2014 at 5:07 am

    • I’ll only say that it is somewhere in Suffolk

      Recklinghausen

      September 11, 2014 at 7:42 am

  30. The test may in fact be a re hash of the Spider Test some of us took with Reed and another one or two on the wp. No matter how you do on the test the answers are all the same as is the outcome. I tried with different answers and got the same responses. I got parked when I asked reed if it was devised by somebody in psych-ops at London Military in Whitehall Road.

    Recklinghausen

    September 11, 2014 at 8:54 am

    • It’s all a load of bollocks; just learn to enjoy working shitty jobs for no pay/low pay in shitty conditions, preferably with a great big stupid smile on your face like you see in DWP/provider ‘newsletters’ where they highlight their ‘success stories’ about how ‘Dean’ (pictured with the great big stupid smile on his face) is ‘very happy’ to be shovelling shit for jack shit and you will be OK, otherwise you will be ‘diagnosed’ as having ‘something wrong with you’. These fuckers are going to keep messing with jobseekers heads until the bend them into happy obedience and willing subservience. All these ‘initiatives’ are straight out of a Chinese brain-washing/torture manual.

      A Clockwork Orange

      September 11, 2014 at 10:12 am

      • I oncer told them that they were talking Bullshit and Horse Crap. I also proved that the likes of ‘DEAN’ were infact DWP/JCP employees. I also said that I wanted full health and saftey training too before commencing any MWA. The result is I have a red corner and name highlighted in green on my signing document when I sign at Jcp. Does anybody know what the red flag means and or the green highlights

        Recklinghausen

        September 11, 2014 at 10:19 am

      • Sorry I should have asked if it means I a potential for parking once wp is ended or could I be fitted up for a sanction. I know when I have a face to face at the jobcentre, one of Serco’s G4S pet gorillas is not too far away. They think I don’t know it’s me they are hanging around for. I have never been violent but I do see through their crap and challenge them with questions that need an answer over them.

        Recklinghausen

        September 11, 2014 at 10:30 am

  31. Or this kind of stuff, a sample of the ‘marble counter’

    1. I like mechanics magazines.
    2. I have a good appetite.
    3. I wake up fresh and restored most mornings.
    4. I think I would like the work of a librarian.
    5. I am easily awakened by noise.
    6. I like to read newspaper articles on crime.
    7. My hands and feet are usually warm enough.
    8. My daily life is full of things that keep me interested.
    9. I am about as able to work as I ever was.
    10. There seems to be a lump in my throat much of the time.
    11. A person should try to understand his dreams and be guided by or take warning from them.
    12. I enjoy detective or mystery stories.
    13. I work under a great deal of tension.
    14. I have diarrhoea once a month or more.
    15. Once in a while I think of things too bad to talk about.
    16. I am sure I get a raw deal from life.
    17. My father was a good man.
    18. I am very seldom troubled by constipation.
    19. When I take a new job, I like to be tipped off as to who should be gotten next to.
    20. My sex life is satisfactory.

    Consultant Clinical Psychologist

    September 11, 2014 at 10:00 am

    • Remember ‘psych tests’ are full of traps, for instance:

      The L (Lie) scale is composed of questions that someone who may attempt to
      give an overly perfect view of themselves may answer. One is, ‘I do not always tell
      the truth’. A false answer to this would increase the score in this area since almost
      everyone lies some time.

      and also

      The F scale is made up items that were answered the same way by 90% of the
      people polled. Very high F scales indicate error, failure of the examine to understand
      questions, or deliberately selecting random answers. T scores above 80 usually indicate
      an invalid test. It may also indicate someone who is faking and trying to look
      like he’s insane. T scores 65-80 indicate markedly unconventional thinking, and
      appears in sullen rebellious or antisocial personalities. T scores <55 indicate the
      person is sincere, calm, dependant, honest, conventional, simple, etc.

      There is no way jobseekers should be forced to take 'psych tests' in any way, shape or form especially under pain of benefit sanction. This is dangerous thinking and is straight out of Mao's China, Stalin's Russia, Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Franco's Spain… do we need to add Cameron's Britain!?

      Dr Shrink

      September 11, 2014 at 10:29 am

      • “markedly unconventional thinking, and appears in sullen rebellious or antisocial personalities” – you can bet most jobseekers fall into this category especially anyone who has had a run in with the jc, complained about the jc, been sanctioned, told an ‘adviser’ where to go or has had a tussle with the g$s security goons.

        JC User

        September 11, 2014 at 10:35 am

      • The only answer you give on this Psychometric test ‘No Comment’ – that goes for every question.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        September 11, 2014 at 11:36 am

      • But obi, that will mark you down with “Oppositional, anti- authority, defiant, anti-social personality disorder” with border-line narcissistic, schizoid, and paranoid tendencies.

        J Seek

        September 11, 2014 at 11:54 am

      • They will also mark you down as “resisting psychological evaluation”

        J Seek

        September 11, 2014 at 11:57 am

    • You forgot I read newspapers Yes THE DAILY SPORT

      Recklinghausen

      September 11, 2014 at 10:38 am

      • Is the Sport still going?

        Most people I know on the dole, and my good self, read the ‘I’ – at 30 pence.

        Andrew Coates

        September 11, 2014 at 11:18 am

      • The Metro is free.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        September 11, 2014 at 11:33 am

  32. I was in Ely Jobcentre in East Anglia today and all the Job Points have been removed. The seating area has been reduced and the podium where the greeters used to hang out is gone as well. I was told they’ll be installing IADs in the empty space. They’ve only got one IAD at the moment. All this is situated right next to the entrance; nice and drafty. The phones were ripped out months ago. I feel a 35 hour a week job search coming on.

    jj joop

    September 11, 2014 at 11:39 am

  33. Does this now mean that the 35 Hour a week Jobsearch will NOT be conducted in rooms away from the main client areas. What about the providers are they now defunct.

    Recklinghausen

    September 11, 2014 at 11:44 am

    • It looks like it will be more ‘out in the open’, exposed to public view, maybe that is supposed to add to the humiliation. Can’t see how anyone is supposed to effectively job seek when exposed to constant scrutiny and distractions.

      J Seek

      September 11, 2014 at 11:50 am

    • There are no “rooms” at Ely Jobcentre. It’s all on a ground floor; it’s open plan. There is a private interview room and that’s it. I think as J seek has stated: out in the open to add to the humiliation. It will be like the freak shows of old where people paid to see people less fortunate than themselves being put on display; to be pointed at and gawked at. Except they don’t have to pay now; they’ll get their entertainment for free.

      jj joop

      September 11, 2014 at 12:06 pm

      • Should be interesting then. I sign at Ipswich they have 3 different zones there for different types of signers. It’s a big complex in the centre of the town rather like Henry Giles House in Cambridge

        HUSH

        September 11, 2014 at 12:10 pm

  34. JUST WHAT WOULD THEY DO IF YOU WROTE OR MARKED NEUTRAL OR DOES NOT APPLY FOR EVERY ANSWER. I ONCE DID A SPIDER TEST WITH RIP AND I DID A NEUTRAL FOR EVERY ANSWER GOT A PERFECT CIRCLE AND WAS PARKED FOR 6 MONTHS. JCP SAID I WAS NOT TOO GO TO JCP OR RIP ALTHOUGH BENEFIT WAS STILL PAID.

    HUSH

    September 11, 2014 at 12:03 pm

  35. For Attention of Andy Coates:

    The British Psychological Society.

    Tests for jobseekers must be ethical.

    12/09/2014

    If psychological tests are to be used to judge whether jobseekers have a psychological resistance to work, they must be administered by experienced users of psychometrics and proper feedback must be provided.

    That was the reaction of the British Psychological Society to the news that the government is considering such a move.

    Dr Ian Bushnell CPsychol from the University of Glasgow, the chair of the Society’s Division Division of Occupational Psychology, said:

    “Psychometrics can be a valuable source of information for guiding people in their career search and decisions; the longer term unemployed could find the insights provided by a professionally conducted psychometric assessment very helpful in determining their choices about jobs.

    “It is critical, however, that all assessments are conducted by experienced users of psychometrics – ideally under the supervision of a chartered psychologist. The success of a psychometric assessment of jobseekers will depend on sensitive, constructive and meaningful feedback about the results.”

    Esther McVey, a minister at the Department for Work and Pensions, announced the scheme last week.

    Under it, interviewers will assess jobseekers’ attitudes, behavioural norms and levels of self-belief by asking them to describe what they regard as the “risks of going to work”, the “value of work” and how confident they are of finding a job.

    This will be combined with a profile on their background, looking at whether they come from a troubled family, whether their spouse will help them in looking for a job and when they last worked.

    The scheme is currently being piloted in three job centres. If it proves successful, it will receive a voluntary trial involving 27,000 jobseekers in 27 cities to assess whether the tests can accurately predict whether someone will take a job.

    The British Psychological Society’s Psychological Testing Centre provides information and services relating to standards in tests and testing for test takers, test users, test developers and members of the public.

    http://www.bps.org.uk/news/tests-jobseekers-must-be-ethical

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    September 12, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    • Excellent research Obi.

      If they follow this guidance, I shall ask for a course of Freudian psychoanalysis as well!

      Andrew Coates

      September 12, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    • It look’s to me like the DWP (McVey) is trying to do these psychological tests under the radar, but now The British Psychological Society have found out about it.

      This should make her think again, when they have had a word.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      September 12, 2014 at 4:28 pm

  36. I signed off as I wad sick of the work programme basically I’m living off my siblings that help me..but continue to job search and apply at my own leisure

    wisegal

    September 14, 2014 at 5:57 pm

  37. Superted has it right. There isnt the space in the jobcentres for people to be spending 35 hours a week there, using their computers. If this takes off the ground at all, they are going to have to select a very small number of people at a time as victims.

    argotina1

    September 14, 2014 at 7:02 pm

  38. If I gave totally neutral or no comment answers. I have done what they want and answered. what more could they do

    greenford

    September 14, 2014 at 7:03 pm

  39. remember they can only mandate you to use an iad and use ujm at a jcp not at a provider office as they will want you to sign a data waver to process your information.

    dont sign it and say you will job search but will only reply at home and print off the jobs at provider just to cost them money.

    you wont be there long trust me 😉

    super ted

    September 14, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    • super ted – where does it say they can only mandate you to use an iad and ujm at at the Jobcentre and not the provider’s office? Is there a specific document I can shove in their ugly mugs?

      Schmidtt

      September 15, 2014 at 10:58 am

      • I have been told that I must allow access to my UJM account. I have been mandated to use both at the public library and at my wpp

        philip

        September 15, 2014 at 11:15 am

      • i dont think they can even do that due to the cookies laws

        super ted

        September 15, 2014 at 11:41 am

      • I have been told that I must allow access to my UJM account. I have been mandated to use both at the public library and at my wpp.

        its your choice to give them access they cant mandate you to give it to them.

        have you got that in writing on a letter from jcp?

        super ted

        September 15, 2014 at 11:47 am

      • I too was given a verbal mandate both by the Jobcentre and my Provider in giving access for my Universal Jobmatch Account. Both also wanted my email address. I have one that I use for this site ONLY and one for private use. I have given them both the one for this site. BTW I have THE VOID HERE TOO

        philip

        September 15, 2014 at 11:53 am

      • say you will no longer give them access to ujm and if its mandatory get it in righting they will soon shut up 😉

        super ted

        September 15, 2014 at 12:09 pm

      • id also delete the ujm account you have and open a new one if you still want to use the fraud ridden site.

        with ujm the only bit they can mandate you to do is create an account thats it.and then provide them with a screen print or photo of ur account to prove you set it up and thats all they can mandate you to do other than give them a cv.

        so if a adviser tells you its mandatory to give them access tell the to fuck off and read there tool kits fools and report them to the floor manager as there braking there own rules and regs.

        as long as you fill in your paper work search with the amount you need to do on your jsa agreement they cant do anything about it and ujm will not change this as they cant dictate how we provide our job search to them or the providers for that matter.

        super ted

        September 15, 2014 at 7:22 pm

      • I have always been told it was mandatory by advisors, I still haven’t created a UJM account and will not, instead I keep a record of everything, the date I applied for the job, the job, full or part time, in what town the job is, the company website, their phone number. how I applied. then print all the info, they don’t even look at my print outs.

        enigma

        September 15, 2014 at 7:40 pm

      • = no sanctions.

        enigma

        September 15, 2014 at 7:42 pm

      • thats the thing its mandatory to set up a ujm account but if you then refuse them access to it the hole thing is a waste of time thats why they try trick ppl to give them access when you do not have to under there rules and regs they just hope you stupid and give it to them.

        i do the same with my job search and fill the page top to bottom with as much info i can fit on it and never been a problem wit sanctions on my js 😉

        super ted

        September 15, 2014 at 7:50 pm

  40. It’ll be fun seeing how they try this sort of thing on trained psychologists who just happen to be out of work and in need of a bit of cash like my cousin…she’ll eat them alive and probably turn the questions back on them whilst she does so 🙂

    hanzo

    September 14, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    • I’ll tell them my formative years were blighted by onanism and a compulsion to smear myself and others with dog excrement!

      Hmm…yes, quite.

      Schmidtt

      September 15, 2014 at 11:02 am

      • If Jobcentre Plus DO NOT work on Saturday – Sunday plus Public and Bank Holidays. Why can we get sanctioned for NOT searching for jobs on Universal Jobmatch on those days. If we have access only through Public Iads, we cannot get to them on those days

        philip

        September 15, 2014 at 11:31 am

  41. This letter is a typically vague DWP foi answer:

    “Work Programme
    providers and their subcontractors
    have the flexibility to design innovati
    ve and personalised support to help each
    individual back to work, this may include
    different activities such as working
    with an individual to create or impr
    ove a CV or covering letter.”

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/223825/response/561114/attach/3/4.Response%20IR423.pdf

    Her is mandation of what a WP provider can an cannot not do to you. There is no mention of them being able to mandate you to use their IADs.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/348266/wp-pg-chapter-3a-22-october-2012.pdf

    jj joop

    September 15, 2014 at 3:57 pm

  42. They Are Now Saying It Is Mandatory. But Only Verbally

    philip

    September 15, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    • then get them to back that up in righting, they wont because they cant.
      they will tell you any old bs dont listen to any of it and get every ting in righting

      super ted

      September 15, 2014 at 8:04 pm

  43. Yes verbally because what they are telling you is nonsenses/lies, ask for everything in writing, they won’t because they can’t, because it isn’t written.

    enigma

    September 15, 2014 at 9:25 pm

  44. super ted I see has already told you , “they can’t show you the lies on paper.

    enigma

    September 15, 2014 at 9:29 pm

  45. Supervised jobsearch pilot, extra help to get people back to work.

    Supervised jobsearch is a new pilot scheme in your area, to help people search and apply for jobs, if your selected for the scheme, it will give you the help and support to look for work.

    Support on the scheme includes:
    Search for jobs
    Writing covering letters and CV’S
    Improving your job applications
    Interview techniques

    The scheme is also designed to help you with other general skills, such as timekeeping, and, if you’ve been out of work for a while, with getting back into the routine of a working day.

    The tasks you’ll do as part of the scheme will be designed to suit your individual needs.

    Who can take part?

    If your work coach thinks your need extra support to find a job and has identified you as someone suitable to take part in it, they may refer you to the supervised jobsearch pilot.

    If you’ve not been on the work programme, you may be referred to supervised jobsearch from week 20 to week 38 of your jobseekers claim.

    If you have completed the work programme and have continued to get jobcentre support for at least 26 weeks from completion of the work programme, you may be referred to supervised jobsearch.

    How does it work?

    If you are referred, your work coach will give you an appointment letter to meet your “provider” (our term for the organization that will run your supervised jobsearch

    At your first meeting, the provider will explain more about supervised jobsearch and make it clear what is expected of you, they will assess your skills and experience to find out how ready you are for work, they will also discuss any additional support you may need, you will get help to write and agree an action plan, which will be reviewed and updated frequently.

    After the assessment, your provider will give you 13 weeks of jobsearch supervision, for up to 35 hours a week from Monday to Friday at their premises, you can expect to:

    Search for jobs in a helpful and supportive setting.
    Agree with your provider what help you need to get ready to find work.
    Get advice on how to improve your chances of getting a job.
    Learn skills like good timekeeping, attendance and keeping a routine.

    When your provider needs you to do anything, like attend an interview or complete jobsearch tasks, they will give you a letter explaining exactly what it is you must do.

    Do I have to take part?

    Yes, if you are referred to supervised jobsearch, you must attend every day and take part for the full 13 weeks, if you do not do this, without good reason, your benefit will be sanctioned.

    If you have any concerns or questions on why you may be selected for this support, your suitability for this scheme or if you think this scheme is not for you, you should discuss this with your work coach.

    What happens if I don’t take part or refuse to do everything I should?

    If you did not take part fully in supervised jobsearch, your jobseekers allowance will be stopped for

    4 weeks, if it’s the first time you didn’t fully take part, or
    13 weeks, if you havn’t fully taken part more than once.

    The provider can ask you to apply for jobs and go to job interviews, if you don’t do this without good reason, your jobseekers allowance (and national insurance contributions will be stopped for:

    13 weeks, if it’s the first time you didn’t fully take part
    26 weeks, if it’s the second time, and
    156 weeks, if you do not fully take part three or more times.

    Will I still need to attend jobcentre meetings?

    Yes, you will still have to sign on, and attend any other meetings at the jobcentre, the jobcentre will take into account your are participating in the supervised jobsearch scheme, your provider will also be aware of your obligation to sign on and attend appointments at the jobcentre.

    enigma

    September 19, 2014 at 6:40 pm

  46. Whilst attending the Jobcentre to sign-on today I asked my Adviser about the proposed Attitude Test and she didn’t know anything about any such test, had never heard of it, and didn’t even know who Esther McVey is. She told me not to worry about it.

    Landless Peasant

    September 23, 2014 at 4:38 pm

  47. more and more of the unemployed know a lot more than those advisers, but they the advisers assume we don’t know a thing!

    enigma

    September 23, 2014 at 5:07 pm


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