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Warning: Bradford Shows What Horror Supervised Jobsearch Will be.

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UNEMPLOYED people in Bradford must hunt for jobs from “nine to five” or be stripped of benefits, under a controversial new crackdown.

The city, which has more than 14,500 people claiming Jobseekers’ Allowance, has been picked for the first trial of a Government scheme to target benefit claimants who “lack motivation” to find work.

From next month, they will be required to visit a Jobcentre every morning to sign an attendance register, then spend the whole day working on job applications.

Ministers say the jobseekers will be given intensive help with important skills such as compiling CVs, writing covering letters, timekeeping and interview techniques.

But the policy also carries a big stick – a threat to remove benefits from claimants who fail to hunt for jobs for 35 hours each week, for three months.

A first breach of the rules will trigger a loss of four weeks’ benefit and the second will mean forfeiting three months’ money.

The Jobcentre Plus offices in Bradford, Keighley, Shipley and Leeds are among 64 across the country that will carry out the trial.

Staff began handing out factsheets today to jobseekers claimants not on the Work Programme or taking part in a community work placement.

Not all claimants at those centres will take part – and lone parents and carers might not be required to attend for the full 35 hours a week.

But the scheme last night divided opinion among the district’s MPs with those in the coalition Government supporting it, while those in opposition heavily critical of it.

Philip Davies (Con, Shipley) said: “I’m completely in favour of this scheme on every possible level, I think it’s a great initiative.

“It’s quite right that unemployed people treat looking for work as a full-time job, it is completely unacceptable for them to be loafing at home watching TV. “

David Ward (Lib Dem, Bradford East) said: “If it is something that can help people get back into work, then it must be seen as a good thing.”

But George Galloway (Respect, Bradford West) said: “This idea is a joke and yet another waste of money. It’s a compliment to call it half-baked, it’s not even in the oven.

“It is a horrendous imposition on some people who are genuinely claiming benefits.

“The scheme sounds like prison, it’s madness.”

And Gerry Sutcliffe (Lab, Bradford South): “I’m not sure this scheme gives a motivation to find work, and I don’t think keeping people cooped up in a job centre all day is the way forward.”

In total, about 6,000 people will take part, across West Yorkshire, the West Midlands, Sussex and Surrey.

Esther McVey, the Work Minister, said: “It’s right that we ask claimants to do everything they can to look for work in return for their benefits.

“This pilot is testing how we provide that extra support to those whose motivation or job hunting skills get in the way of finding a job.

“A life on benefits for those who can work is no longer an option – we’re helping those who aspire to the security of a regular wage and the chance to develop a career.”

The “nine to five” scheme was announced by Chancellor George Osborne at the Tory conference one year ago, but it has taken 12 months to set up the pilot.

Other, more draconian parts of the “Work for the Dole” scheme has seen claimants required to cook meals for the elderly, pick up litter and clean up graffiti, or lose their benefits.

Meanwhile, those with deep-rooted problems must attend therapy sessions to deal with poor literacy, or drink and drug addiction.

From Telegraph and Argus.

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  1. This won’t work at my Jobcentre, Ely in Cambridgeshire. Anyone who signs on there will know where I’m coming from. There’s barely enough room for claimants waiting to sign on let alone sit around to listen to staff drone on about such topics as compiling CVs, writing covering letters, timekeeping and interview techniques. There’s just no room.

    jj joop

    September 5, 2014 at 11:43 am

    • JJ Joop

      It’s the same at the Shipley Jokecentre, there’s not enough room to swing a cat… or anything else!

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      September 5, 2014 at 11:59 am

    • Dude they’ll find a way. Either they will send you to another job centre or they will rent and office or room or maybe even the local library.

      Mark

      January 28, 2015 at 3:41 am

  2. I cannot see this working at all.

    Is it being hosted at the JC? I was under the impression it was outsourced to the usual crew of privateers, like the Work Programme? There’sno way the JC can facilitate people sitting on their arse inside all day long. It’ll be a pressure cooker. They dont’ even have toilet facilities!

    What about people with kids? What about travel expenses? Catering?

    It’s just more of the continued assumption that the unemployed are doing nothing and need to be herded into these ideological farms to lactate out their soul until driven to fucking suicide!

    We need to know more about this, we need people to get in and expose this shit.

    ghost whistler

    September 5, 2014 at 11:56 am

    • I’m pretty sure it is being outsourced. I think they’ve got the wrong end of the stick with this report. The DWP have specified in a press release that jobsearches will be done in ‘centres’, and they have taken that to mean jobcentres when what the DWP probably mean is a provider ‘centre’.

      KJ

      September 6, 2014 at 5:23 am

  3. If they are going to host this stupid and inept scheme at any JCP I think a call to the Health and Safety Executive would be in order for overcrowding.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    September 5, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    • I suspet the trial will be cherry picked to give the best results from the easiest to manage ‘customers’. People that don’t have extensive difficulties or, for example, travel costs.

      ghost whistler

      September 5, 2014 at 12:06 pm

      • Doubtful, the one’s that will be put on it will be the ones who aren’t consistently proving their jobsearch to a certain standard, or are open to an easy sanction.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        September 5, 2014 at 12:14 pm

      • This is complete madness. What are u meant. To do when you’ve browsed uj, other job sites, checked papers ect and applied. For anything suitable.. start all over again? Deluge employers with even more cvs and Phone calls? Cooping vulnerable, stressed folks up. Like that is bound to lead to a big explosion.. I feel for anyone forced to do it..

        kat rehman

        September 5, 2014 at 1:07 pm

      • I agree entirely.

        Yes you probably will have to start again; jobs are put up on UJM all throughout the day so no doubt you’ll be expected to sit pressing refresh for 6 hours.

        Vulnerable people don’t stand a chance.

        ghost whistler

        September 5, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    • THEY WILL PROBABLY CLAIM CROWN EXEMPTION FROM THE HSE. RATHER LIKE HOSPITAL KITCHENS USED TOO DOO

      OUTLOOK.COM

      September 5, 2014 at 2:43 pm

  4. I can’t see the space in Ipswich either.

    Even with private crooks running it they would have to deal with hundreds of people.

    Where are the computers?

    What an earth are you going to do for the whole day’s “job searching”?

    You physically cannot spend that amount of time on it, 1) There are not enough jobs to spend 35 hours a week doing this. 2) Applying for jobs does not take these hours.

    People will stew in misery – and that’s assuming the very unlikely possibility that there will be the facilities (computers to start with) to do this.

    It is, as we have said long before Galloway, prison.

    They will need guards – there will be scenes of frustration, probably violence, a few collabos, but most people will deeply resent the thing.

    This is an article from a serious local paper so they must be the case.

    An outrage.

    Andrew Coates

    September 5, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    • Tempers will fray and there will be a right punch up on a daily basis.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      September 5, 2014 at 3:05 pm

      • Please everyone, please don’t forget that if you have any medical issues (such as a bad back for example) you can still get your hours cut down to 16 per week, to do this you will need to see the disability adviser at the Jobcentre.

        Or if you have had your hours reduced before on any scheme (New Deal, MWA, or any other course or scheme) in the past, then this will still be on your JCP record or file, and they have to reduce your hours again.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        September 5, 2014 at 3:13 pm

      • Obi

        I think that’s the idea. There’s no quicker way to a sanction than claimants fighting each other or staff in the Jobcentre.

        jj joop

        September 5, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    • “What an earth are you going to do for the whole day’s “job searching”?”

      I suspect it will be like the work programme I was on – and hour or so job searching and the rest of the time on the internet – youtube, facebook etc. My advice is to take in a CD or memory stick with a boot to Linux on it. Bypass any OS or local firewall. If you really want to cause mischief drop a few viruses onto the system, they wont be able to do much if all the machines are dead.

      Anton

      September 5, 2014 at 3:19 pm

  5. From The Daily Mash’.

    Job camps’ are the final solution to unemployment, says Duncan Smith

    IAIN Duncan Smith has decided to stop dicking about and move the unemployed into dog-patrolled ‘job camps’.

    The camps are intended to help jobseekers back into work with training in hard manual labour and prominently placed motivational slogans such as ‘Jobs will make you free’.

    Duncan Smith said: “All we’re doing is taking the confusing system of dozens of different benefits and replacing it with heavily guarded labour camps.

    “Guests will be encouraged to develop a strong work ethic with a 6am roll call enforced by G4S ‘kapos’, and will also learn new skills, such as making their own wooden clogs.

    “The new camps should not be confused with anything from history although they will be surrounded by machine gun posts and staffed by a new army regiment known as ‘special soldiers’.

    “Living in a camp is really no different to living in a house, if your house was inside a high barbed wire fence patrolled by hostile dogs and you happened to have watery soup for dinner every evening.

    “I’ll be taking a hands-on approach by visiting every camp personally in my special uniform, which is only black because it’s a very practical colour and doesn’t show the dirt.”

    Camp inmate Tom Logan said: “The constant barking of Alsatians makes it hard to concentrate on filling in job application forms.

    “Also I’ve had my clothes taken away, I’m not sure how being naked all the time is giving me my dignity back.”

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/job-camps-are-the-final-solution-to-unemployment-says-duncan-smith-2013071675925

    Andrew Coates

    September 5, 2014 at 2:43 pm

  6. I must of missed something….I am still waiting for the Tailored support from the WP,now that I have completed that 2 Year waste of time ,I was promised (Threatened) with MIR,Education or Training,,Never happened..FFS,piss up in a Brewery anybody?..In my wet dream.

    jray

    September 5, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    • ‘tailored support’ RFLMAO

      Chuckle

      September 6, 2014 at 6:24 am

      • lol on it for the past year now, get called in once or twice a month for a spot of job searching on their ancient machines.
        they just tried to sanction me for missing an appointment i attended. fucking plums.

        Hasnot

        September 8, 2014 at 3:05 pm

  7. “It’s quite right that unemployed people treat looking for work as a full-time job…”

    Notice how it’s a ‘full-time job’, but not when it comes to the minimum wage.

    Anton

    September 5, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    • The prat who said that has never been unemployed, or if he has he’s spent his life crawling on his hands and knees before his betters, I’ll lay a wager on it.

      Yup, “Born in Doncaster, he was educated at the Old Swinford Hospital school, Stourbridge, and the University of Huddersfield where he was awarded a 2:1 BA Hons degree in History and Political Studies in 1993. He had joined the Conservative Party in 1988. He worked at Asda from September 1993 to May 2005,[1] first as a Customer Services Manager and later as a Marketing Manager. He has also worked at Marilyn Davies Bookmakers and Mark Jarvis Bookmakers.[2]”

      Andrew Coates

      September 5, 2014 at 3:12 pm

      • You left out the BA Hons degree he has clearly received in smugness,brown nosing and being completely clueless about the unemployed.Loafing around watching TV may be unacceptable to him but it is completely acceptable for the unemployed to be effectively loafing around watching a computer monitor for hours on end in a cage. It is sick for people like him to fully equate jobsearching with an actual paying job (job seekers allowance is NOT a wage for anything) when him and his fellow Con/libdem/Lab cronies won’t even wipe their own backsides unless they get expenses or a pay rise.

        ck

        September 5, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    • Notice how MP get paid 10x the minimum wage and do half the hours that the average Joe does but they have the audacity to say “It’s quite right that unemployed people treat looking for work as a full-time job…”

      You couldn’t script that shit.

      Mark

      January 28, 2015 at 3:50 am

  8. ‘Staff began handing out factsheets today to jobseekers claimants not on the Work Programme or taking part in a community work placement’

    Has anyone in Bradford, Leeds, Shipley or Keighley actually been given one of these fact sheets yet?

    I signed on in Bradford yesterday and I didn’t receive one and there was no one explaining it to anyone either.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    September 5, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    • I also have an idea that this new scheme will be for people who have already told there JCP advisers that they don’t have a home computer. (as this will have been logged on their JCP record or file, so the JCP will know who to target)

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      September 5, 2014 at 3:59 pm

  9. People who have been stripped of benefits could be charged by the government for trying to appeal against the decision to an independent judge.

    Critics said the proposal, contained in an internal Department for Work and Pensions document leaked to the Guardian, would hit some of the poorest people in Britain, who have been left with little or no income.

    In the document about the department’s internal finances, officials say the “introduction of a charge for people making appeals against [DWP] decisions to social security tribunals” would raise money.

    Other ideas include selling off child support debt to “the private sector to collect”, though civil servants remark that the government would be unlikely to raise more than 5-7p in the pound from the £1.4bn currently owed to the DWP. The department currently collects arrears.

    Earlier this week figures showed that in the past year nearly 900,000 people have had their benefits stopped, the highest figure for any 12-month period since jobseeker’s allowance was introduced in 1996. In recent months, however, 58% of those who wanted to overturn DWP sanction decisions in independent tribunals have been successful. Before 2010, the success rate of appeals was 20% or less.

    One welfare legal adviser said the number of appeals being lodged at independent tribunals would be decimated if the government introduced a charge.

    Last year the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) which sets policy in the area, brought in charges for employment tribunals of up to £250 to lodge a claim, depending on the kind of case being brought. The union Unison asked judges to review the policy, saying the number of claims had dropped by more than half after fees were introduced. High court judges declared the policy lawful this month.

    In the DWP Efficiency Review, which is marked “restricted”, it says the proposal for charging for social security tribunals is already “under investigation” by the MoJ and officials “intend to revisit it” in the wake of the Unison court challenge decision.

    However, the 80-page document points out, the policy will “entail no revenue generation nor efficiency for the [DWP] per se” but will however generate income for the justice department.

    The policy proposal leak comes as the prime minister and senior religious leaders clash over the benefits system. In a letter to the Daily Mirror, 27 Anglican bishops blamed David Cameron for creating a “national crisis” in which hundreds of thousands of people have been forced to survive on the charity of food banks because of “punitive sanctions” and other DWP failures. It followed similar criticisms from Vincent Nichols, the highest ranking Catholic in England and Wales, that the government was stripping away the welfare safety net – a charge dismissed as “an exaggeration” by Nick Clegg, the deputy prime minister.

    The justice minister Shailesh Vara said: “The government has made clear that reducing the deficit is our top priority. It is right that the Ministry of Justice looks at all opportunities to bring down the cost of our services to the taxpayer.

    “We believe that it is right to consider whether those who use tribunals should make a greater contribution to their costs, where they can afford to do so, which is why we introduced fees for employment tribunals last year.

    “We will continue to keep the position under review, but we have no current plans to extend fee charging into other tribunals.”

    Rachel Reeves, shadow work and pensions secretary, said: “When government’s own figures show a staggering 58% of appeals against Department for Work and Pensions decisions to dock jobseeker’s allowance are upheld, it’s clear the system is broken. Rather than penalising thousands of people by charging them to appeal, ministers need to ask why they are presiding over a broken system which is making so many bad decisions, which are overturned on appeal.”

    Steve Winyard, head of policy and campaigns at the Royal National Institute of Blind People, which is threatening the DWP with legal action over sanction failures, said: “Every week RNIB receives complaints about DWP failing to provide correspondence and other benefits information in Braille or other accessible formats.

    “As a result, these people are at direct risk of sanction and a number have had the benefits they rely on to live withdrawn. To now say that these individuals will not even be able to appeal the inaccurate DWP decision without paying for it is a disgrace, It’s a ‘computer says no’ approach that locks people out and leaves some with no help whatsoever, many becoming reliant on food banks as a result.”

    Neil Bateman, a long-serving welfare rights lawyer, also described the policy idea as a disgrace. He said: “Stopping people from challenging bad decisions actually strikes at the heart of our democratic arrangement.” He said many of the people he had successfully represented over the years at tribunals would not have got justice if they had been made to pay a fee and that even £5 would be too high a charge for them.

    Bateman said that from his experience, a very high proportion of appeals were caused by mistakes and poor-quality decision-making by the DWP. He said this had risen in recent years because the department had got rid of experienced DWP decision-makers, social security law had become more complex and attitudes had changed.

    “Under this government there is an attitudinal issue in terms of evidence of increased DWP staff antipathy towards clients and that all results in decisions which are wrong which eventually get turned over at appeal,” Bateman said

    .
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/20/people-stripped-benefits-charged-decision

    Andrew Coates

    September 5, 2014 at 4:14 pm

  10. I supect this pointless scheme was designed by IDS & Co to inflict mental distress/torture on people less fortunate than himself and his croneys.

    What a complete bastard!

    Ant

    September 5, 2014 at 4:26 pm

  11. Does anyone know if you get your own dedicated desk and computer? In addition to this you should also have the appropriate H&S assessments and training.

    Ant

    September 5, 2014 at 4:48 pm

  12. Here is some good news amidst the 35 hour gloom story . The final nail in the coffin for the Tory Bedroom Tax was hammered home in the Commons today:

    http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2014/09/05/writing-is-on-the-bedroom-wall-for-the-tories-as-they-lose-landmark-vote/

    “It [the Bedroom Tax] was not intended to combat abuse of the system but was simply a way of robbing social tenants of help that they needed”.

    Tobanem

    September 5, 2014 at 5:00 pm

  13. What stupid c!ӣ came up with this fuckwit of an idea?

    Powderkeg

    September 5, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    • Powderkeg

      What “idea” are you talking about?

      Tobanem

      September 5, 2014 at 5:32 pm

  14. Harsh measures for the unemployed are nothing new. Have a read at this:

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/guest-commentary/a-wake-up-call-for-the-workshy-or-21st-century-slavery-what-do-the-welfare-reforms-really-mean-1.1068071

    Digging ditches or building roads to nowhere, or even Victorian treadmills – yes, there’s nothing new about harsh Tory measures for the unemployed!

    Tobanem

    September 5, 2014 at 5:18 pm

  15. Never mind:

    Hey IDS only 243 days to go, TILL YOU GO!

    Next General Election Timer.

    http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?day=7&month=5&msg=UK+General+Election&p0=0&year=2015

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    September 5, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    • If indeed the DWP do actually monitor this Blog/Website then think on this Mr IDS:

      Once the Conservatives are out of government, then you become useless to Mr Cameron, as he is only keeping you in office to take the fall for your draconian benefit reforms. (in other words, your a scapegoat)

      Think on that as the day for the general election approaches.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      September 5, 2014 at 6:32 pm

      • i told the jcp long ago hew i was on here and never had 1 reply from them.

        they soon change there tune if you mention this site and that you use it makes um look like sucking lemons 😉

        super ted

        September 5, 2014 at 6:48 pm

      • Of course I monitor this site, and you can think on this Mr Kenobi… I am very far from useless to Mr Cameron, after all I pay him well in exchange for keeping my job, there isn’t one Michelin starred meal that he’s eaten or bottle of champagne that he’s drunk that hasn’t been paid for by the taxpayer, er, I mean me, in the last two years.

        We are working for you.

        PS- Mr Kenobi…I AM YOUR FATHER

        Iain Duncan Doughnuts

        September 6, 2014 at 5:16 am

      • BUT THEY DO. WE HAVE HAD COMMENTS FROM INSIDERS AT DWP TOO

        OUTLOOK.COM

        September 6, 2014 at 6:54 am

  16. Super Ted:

    I state this here and now freely for our unemployed generation and the unemployed generation yet to come – Let The Big Lemon Suck… Begin!

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    September 5, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    • Name and shame JCP advisers by posting the reason for a sanction:

      Name and shame JCP advisers for being rude, nit picking or openly lying regarding DWP Rules and Regs:

      Please post the following:

      The advisers name: – on their badge.

      The address of the Jobcentre they work at: – on your signing on booklet.

      The floor they work on (i.e. Ground, 1St, 2nd, 3rd etc.)

      The reason for posting.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      September 5, 2014 at 7:05 pm

  17. The jobcentre do not reply super ted,i put in a written complaint and never received an apology for disgusting abusive treatment by an pwps advisor. Benefit claimants are not criminals.or is it a crime to be unemployed,however its seen as open season on them. its worrying when people are looked on as expendable with no concern for their well being.

    This sounds similar to new deal when claimants were locked in all day in unsanitary conditions with no hot water. someone falls ill and everyone gets it.the atmosphere was terrible and so was the treatment. there isn’t the work and may will have additional needs too.

    ken

    September 5, 2014 at 9:03 pm

  18. The REAL purpose of workfare schemes is to force jobseekers into signing-off! You can forget all that ‘help and support’ bullcrap.
    These schemes are DELIBERATELY chosen to be the most appalling, horrific, dirty dangerous work imaginable. You can forget all that bullcrap about “Health & Safety”, there is absolutely no way anyone is expected to survive 4 weeks let alone 26 weeks on one of these schemes without losing a limb, a spinal injury, having an eye gouged out, having a heavy weight crushing their foot, head crushed, poisoned by toxic fumes, being run over by a forklift… These schemes represent an absolutely shocking abuse of basic human rights being carried out in 21 century UK!

    JoJo

    September 6, 2014 at 6:20 am

    • JoJo

      You have hit the nail on the head. The real purpose of thes schemes is to force jobsekers into signing off. Full stop.

      jj joop

      September 6, 2014 at 7:43 am

      • It’s an endurance test.

        I must say though that I personally will never forgive those enforcing it.

        I imagine that there are other people who will feel the same, probably in a very personal way, towards such individuals.

        Andrew Coates

        September 6, 2014 at 9:56 am

    • It’s to appease right wing media propaganda and get the votes from the tossers that are frightened by it into believing that claimants will be society’s downfall.

      ghost whistler

      September 6, 2014 at 10:54 am

  19. Saturday morning: Just heard on R4 Today programme a brief mention of a “new pilot scheme” to assess the attitudes of the unemployed. Apparently during the pilots having any kind of attitudes won’t be a sanctionable offence. The snippets I heard sounded like the worst nudge unit bollocks to date.

    Did anyone else hear this item? I didn’t catch all of it

    Lucy

    September 6, 2014 at 7:56 am

    • The attitude of the unemployed, has already been done although that was only a few questions, this next one though will be of just more questions, they want to find out just how many (and who) of the unemployed who don’t want to work and those who do, it is really about those who don’t want to work, but as we all know we are all thought of the same.

      enigma

      September 6, 2014 at 9:54 am

      • “those who don’t want to work”?! What are you talking, enigma? You are beginning to sound like Esther McVey. Honestly, how many jobseekers would say no to a cushy, well-paid job affording an excellent standard of living with all the trapping of a nice home, fancy car, holidays… with a gold-plated pension to look forward to etc., and lots and lots of people do have jobs such as this, say as jobcentre managers. You could always cite ‘job snob’ Cait Reilly as an example, happy to potter about in a museum doing f all for a decent salary but unwilling to work her socks off in Poundland for jack shit. No, this is all about crushing the poor into accepting shittier and shittier ‘jobs’ with shittier and shittier pay and shittier and shittier conditions.

        Slipped Disc

        September 6, 2014 at 11:31 am

  20. Lucy – here you go:

    Welfare claimants to get attitude tests, employment minister reveals.

    Benefits claimants will undergo interviews to assess whether they have a psychological resistance to work, the employment minister reveals today.

    Unemployed people will be subject to attitude profiling to judge whether they are “determined”, “bewildered” or “despondent” about taking a job, under plans prepared by Esther McVey.

    Those that are less mentally prepared for life at work will be subject to more intensive coaching at the job centre, while those who are optimistic – such as graduates or those who have recently been made redundant – while be placed on less rigorous regimes.

    “It will be scales of eager, despondent, maybe apprehensive. There are factors within that: somebody who is apprehensive but willing is different from someone who is reticent but disengaged,” Ms McVey said in an interview with The Telegraph.

    Interviewers will assess jobseekers’ attitudes, behavioural norms and levels of self-belief by asking them to describe what they regard as the “risks of going to work”, the “value of work” and how confident they are of finding a job.

    A pilot is taking place in three job centres at the moment, and if successful it will be subjected to a voluntary trial involving 27,000 jobseekers in 27 cities, which will assess whether the tests can accurately predict whether someone will take a job.

    It is likely to be used to select candidates for the work programme, under which claimants have to work in order to receive benefits. It will also be used to recruit to a new scheme obliging the long-term unemployed to spend 35 hours a week at the Jobcentre as they learn to write cover letters and sit interviews.

    Ms McVey suggested the new assessments would prevent such cases such as that of Cait Reilly, the unemployed geology graduate who took ministers to court claiming that a mandatory work experience programme in Poundland amounted to “slave labour”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11078359/Welfare-claimants-to-get-attitude-tests-employment-minister-reveals.html

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    September 6, 2014 at 9:59 am

    • So your average non trained idiot JCP advisers ARE NOW TO BECOME TOTALLY UNTRAINED PSYCHOLOGISTS?

      Your having a fucking laugh aren’t you McVey?

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      September 6, 2014 at 10:03 am

      • Obi, your post went up same time as mine!!

        kat rehman

        September 6, 2014 at 10:24 am

      • There is no such thing as “scientific psychology”.

        It’s still at the stage of astrology.

        Nobody should make decisions about people’s lives, and benefits, on the basis of this pseudo-science.

        Andrew Coates

        September 6, 2014 at 11:20 am

      • How are you coping in the unit, Andrew?

        "Adviser"

        September 6, 2014 at 11:34 am

      • Straitjacket is pretty tight.

        Andrew Coates

        September 6, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    • I just read this n shivered. It’s messing with, people’s heads, some of whom are pretty messed up already, and of course these tests will be administered by people with no psychology (Don’t know exact word ) skills or training,, it really does seems like nazi German policy… I feel for anyone made to do this..

      kat rehman

      September 6, 2014 at 10:23 am

      • It’s the final solution, now on the unemployed

        enigma

        September 6, 2014 at 10:28 am

      • This sort of abusive messing-with-peoples-heads nonsense could provide lots of employment for middle-class tossers with useless ‘psychology’ degrees.

        Neopolitian

        September 6, 2014 at 11:17 am

      • I was recently asked by the jobcentre if I was aware they had a Twitter and Facebook account. Even sent me a text inviting me to join

        o2

        September 8, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    • People have just been posting about this on Facebook.

      They’re ‘aving a larf, innit?

      Andrew Coates

      September 6, 2014 at 10:25 am

      • Here’s a good one on Facebook:

        We Are Sick Of Esther McVey

        Community.

        https://www.facebook.com/pages/We-Are-Sick-Of-Esther-Mcvey/583677775023994

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        September 6, 2014 at 10:57 am

      • They already mess with peoples’ heads anyway often times by backhanded comments in order to put down, belittle and in some how make their victims doubt themselves and feel as if they are in some way mentally ill.

        Are you OK, Andrew?

        September 6, 2014 at 11:02 am

      • Yeah, Reed in Partnershit (with the Devil) are big on these psychologically abusive ‘techniques’.

        RIP are scum

        September 6, 2014 at 11:40 am

    • What utter undiluted bollocks.

      Want to prevent people from suing the government over being forced to work for £0 – don’t force them to work for £0!

      McVey is utter utter scum.

      ghost whistler

      September 6, 2014 at 10:55 am

    • Obi, cheers for finding that. Andrew is right about psychology not being a science, the other truth is that psychiatry isn’t a science either. Both should be seated in the realms of philosophy. Psychiatry especially.

      Psychology has become a crude field based on thuggish behaviourism at the most basic level. Mostly, in this country, courtesy of that foul, cigar sucking prick Simon Wessely, who sold the thickest and dumbest form of CBT to Gordon Brown.

      That these undereducated fuckwits from JC+ (or the parasitic WPPs) might now be carrying out this moronic and damaging test on anyone, yet alone the vulnerable is horrific. Most who will be carrying out these tests won’t be able to understand what they are doing, and, if based on the level of education I’ve seen in JC+ Advisers in my JC+, they won’t understand the words on the test either.

      Behaviourism will be the death of us all.

      Lucy

      September 7, 2014 at 7:48 am

  21. Someone already stated on the news though “it’s not about being bullied”, though it soon will be.

    enigma

    September 6, 2014 at 10:25 am

    • Enigma, it’s behaviourism. Behaviourism is ALWAYS about bullying. It is always based on the premise that the person, whoever they are, whatever their life experiences, whatever they think, whatever they have done…. in all instances, behaviourism insists that they are wrong.

      Behaviourism = a charter for the discipline and oppression of serfs.

      Lucy

      September 7, 2014 at 7:50 am

      • Too right, Lucy, unemployment is now being equated with not only criminality but with mental illness (what’s wrong with you? are you OK? how are you coping in the unit?) If you don’t gladly and willingly take your place at the bottom of the totem pole doing the shittiest of jobs with the shittiest of/no pay (with a great big stupid smile on your face) you are to be labelled “mentally ill”. As Bertrand Russell said: “we must learn to enjoy our servitude”.

        Bertrand Russell

        September 7, 2014 at 8:25 am

      • Yes I like every other unemployed person have completely wasted our time in what ever we have done in our lives.

        last year I applied to be a volunteer in a local youth centre, (I already volunteer at the local food bank) the job at the youth centre was just for 3 hours per week, creating a database, I then received a phone call to go for an interview, (at the jobcentre) though it wasn’t with a jobcentre advisor, he looked at my cv and said, “why has none of the advisors helped you find a job in IT, (since I have spent many years in IT)

        But it was a mistake! just like many other occupations.

        enigma

        September 7, 2014 at 8:21 pm

  22. Jobcentre ‘provision’ is becoming multi-tiered and highly-discriminatory with the poorest and those from the most disadvantaged backgrounds being placed on the most draconian schemes. You will never ever find someone from a ‘posh’ area or with a middle-class background on, for instance, a workfare scheme. Why doesn’t McVey and Co. be honest and say: “the poorest, weakest and most vulnerable are going to be targeted with more and more stricter measures and draconian schemes until they fall thorough the cracks into destitution and suicide.”

    Neopolitian

    September 6, 2014 at 11:13 am

  23. ‘From next month, they will be required to visit a Jobcentre every morning to sign an attendance register, then spend the whole day working on job applications’

    The Jobcentres had better install toilets on every floor of every Jobcentre if they want us in 35 hours a week and they will have to (according to their own rules and regs) refund our bus fares on a daily basis.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    September 6, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    • This is just for West Yorkshire.

      So lets say 3,000 JSA claimants, with a bus – dayrider ticket at a cost of around £4.00p per person per day, times 5 (Mon – Fri)

      Which equates to:

      3,000 x £4 x 5 days per week = £60,000

      Let’s say this scheme runs for 1 year, this would equate to £3,120,000

      £60,000 per week of wasted ‘Taxpayers’ money. Ms McVile – did you include that figure when you spouted your latest batch of venom.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      September 6, 2014 at 1:05 pm

      • when the jcp tried to make me go every day i got a single there and back but they would only give it me back via the bank so 3 days to clear after they got the tickets.

        i got a fuel allowance a few times but same as above and i think it was 30p a mile i got back.

        told me to get a mega rider ticket for the hole week and said no ill get singles just so it costs more, never lasted more than 2 weeks.

        and all i had to do was sign on lol was at 9am tho but made sure i got the bus early so to get there in time.

        and i must have been with the hit squad adviser at that time till i had him done by the floor manager for demanding my doctors phone number to check i had an appointment.

        and that was the end of that, hs adviser now on first floor just signing ppl next up podium n out the door 😉

        super ted

        September 6, 2014 at 5:54 pm

      • lol one of the fucking advisor i had a run in with and had done has been moved from the second floor and is now on the podium – it would just take a kick up here fat arse and she would be out the fucking door lol

        Do Lee

        September 6, 2014 at 9:26 pm

  24. “Litter pickers are banned by elf ‘n’ safety – because they had no litter-picking training!”

    Voluntary litter pickers must have health and safety training to pick up litter outside their own homes; yet we are put onto MWAs and CWPs with no training whatsoever.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2745268/Council-orders-volunteers-stop-neighbourhood-clear-haven-t-trained-use-litter-pickers.html

    jj joop

    September 6, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    • Quit right too, what happens if you pick up a carrier bag and a ‘Junkies’ discarded needle pokes though the bag and pricks your hand?

      You will have to go straight to your doctors and have a tetanus injection and further blood tests for HIV and AIDS.

      Hey IDS and McVile – did you foresee this happening or are you oblivious to this situation which could happen to anyone on an MWA or forced labour programme.

      As a Secretary of state Mr IDS you must be aware that the signature on any letter from the JCP for any claimant being put on any employment initiative course may be an JCP advisers signature, but it has to state by law below that signature:

      ON BELHALF OF THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR EMPLOYMENT.

      This in itself makes you legally liable for any injury or harassment from outside sources that the claimant endures through the duration of the scheme they have been forced onto by your lackey’s who call themselves ‘Advisers’ at the JCP’s but it also makes the ‘Advisor’ themselves legally liable for future court action and the individual Jobcentre as a whole liable for court action as well.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      September 6, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    • ‘Elf & Safety on MWA/CWP 🙂 lol try rocking about on fucking forklifts… until the fucking thing tips over and you get crushed to death. You wouldn’t believe the fucking complete lack of ‘elf and safety on these fucking schemes.

      No Elf And No Safety

      September 6, 2014 at 4:59 pm

    • when i was on the work force years ago doing the same thing i pointed out hew pays up if i get ran over as was picking stuff up from the side of the road, no hi vis jackets boots or nothing just a stick n black bag.

      that went down the shitter after a few weeks as well as had no insurance cover doing what was told to do n thought we were all stupid lol

      super ted

      September 6, 2014 at 6:07 pm

  25. Repost from the void FAO of Andrew ‘loves to re-cycle’ Coates

    “Greeny C**** can fuck off
    Yeah, the fucking doors were meant for ‘re-fucking-cycling’ aright…. full of fucking rusty nails, fungi spores and whatnot. TOP TIP: Through your rubbish in with the trash. Say fuck off to these greeny, re-cycling, slave labour scam. Some poor workfare victim has to sort through and process all this fucking shit, remember that, next time you are tempted to throw your half-full water bottle in the office ‘re-cycling’ bin thinking :”wow, I am saving the planet :)” Don’t worry, the planet will survive – but you won’t! A lot of scammers are making big, big bucks, driving around in great big gas-guzzling fucking tanks, living in fucking mansions whilst destroying the health and breaking the backs of the poorest and most vulnerable members of society. Remember: BAG IT! BIN IT! CHUCK IT TO FUCK!”

    Void Reader

    September 6, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    • Void Reader

      September 6, 2014 at 3:10 pm

    • Do I detect the serious ill person who used to call himself a Police Officer here?

      His disturbed comments have been banned out of kindness.

      Andrew Coates

      September 6, 2014 at 3:28 pm

      • On a more serious note,

        “SEPTEMBER 6, 2014
        Sunderland : Epileptic man hanged himself after his benefits were stopped
        > Yet another victim. Somewhere there must be an official who will recall the name Trevor Drakard and think: “It was me that stopped his benefits…”

        I wonder how they feel about that ?

        Devastated that his benefits had been stopped, a man with epilepsy hanged himself.

        Trevor Drakard had been deemed fit for employment, after a back-to-work assessment.

        The 50-year-old, who never married and had few friends, took his own life at his home in Sunderland.

        An inquest into his death heard Mr Drakard had been diagnosed with epilepsy from the age of six and was receiving Incapacity Benefit.”

        More http://unemployedtynewear.wordpress.com/2014/09/06/sunderland-epileptic-man-hanged-himself-after-his-benefits-were-stopped/

        Andrew Coates

        September 6, 2014 at 3:29 pm

      • This really is a very tragic story. However, Mr Drakard seems to be typical of kind of person who is being singled out to meet sanction targets: on his own and vulnerable. I imagine he went into his interview/assessment with the atitude that if he played fair with the DWP, they would play fair with him. Big mistake; a tragic mistake. I bet they saw the poor devil coming a mile off: the bastards!

        jj joop

        September 7, 2014 at 10:38 am

      • Exactly, and that’s why the jc want to do more ‘profiling’, so that they can identity and subsequently target those who are most vulnerable/weakest/isolated/lack support? Do you live alone? Do you have any family? Are they close by? How many friends to you have? Would you consider them close? C****!!

        Annie

        September 7, 2014 at 11:17 am

      • Oh dear, here we go again. Hey Andrew, there’s a troll in the house.

        Schmidtt

        September 7, 2014 at 1:40 pm

      • police officer/inspector: you forgot to mention the Jimmy Choo shoes, you pinhead.

        Schmidtt

        September 7, 2014 at 1:43 pm

  26. Is this daily signing? If not is there ANY legal requirement to actually sign ‘in’? If not Just video your attendance each morning.

    growls

    September 6, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    • that’s the thing if you dont sign they wont repay ur bus fair is what they told me and 3 days for it to go in the bank.

      super ted

      September 6, 2014 at 6:17 pm

      • If they are expecting people to attend without refunding their bus fare – and doing so immediately (none of this ‘cheque in the post’ bullshit like ATOS), then they can fuck right off. How on earth do they expect people to otherwise manage?

        ghost whistler

        September 6, 2014 at 6:25 pm

      • i think my jcp thought the bus fair would be like 50p lol like 20 years ago.

        but i did get a fuel allowance in advance a few times as if i went Friday id not get any money back till the next Thursday so was totally unworkable and cost a fortune just to sign a piece of paper.

        super ted

        September 6, 2014 at 7:14 pm

      • Esther McVey:

        Nice tits, nice ass and nice legs, but your attitude towards the unemployed stinks – end of!

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        September 6, 2014 at 11:59 pm

  27. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating.

    A6er

    September 6, 2014 at 10:14 pm

  28. Where the fuck do these c**** who work for the dwp/jc draw the line?

    You are referred to the following Opportunity – Workfare for 52 weeks
    You are referred to the following Opportunity – Workfare for 2 years
    You are referred to the following Opportunity – Indefinite Workfare
    You are referred to the following Opportunity – Work Camp
    You are referred to the following Opportunity – Concentration Camp
    You are referred to the following Opportunity – Death by Hanging

    Is there a line? Is there a point when these PCS union members will refuse to press the button?

    Line in the Sand

    September 7, 2014 at 10:25 am

  29. I notice there has been no mention of this new scheme in the Daily Mail. When the Work Programme was announced, they were positively salivating at the idea of the unemployed being forced to work for their benefits. The same with CWPs; there was much crowing. However, on the subject of the 35 hour a week job search: not a dicky bird! What’s going on?

    jj joop

    September 7, 2014 at 10:51 am

    • It is strange isn’t it jjjoop, maybe because the 35 hour thing wouldn’t really be welcomed by everyone, well it is a form of criminal sentence.

      enigma

      September 7, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    • Probably because somebody has realised that sticking large – indeed huge – numbers of unemployed people in a room every day, all week, and telling them to “jobsearch” is not a very bright idea.

      That is, for anybody – those who’ll be directly managing this act of oppression – who values a bearable day of doing this, and…..their own personal safety.

      Andrew Coates

      September 8, 2014 at 10:22 am

  30. My answer to them will be you have all the information you need on records already
    I won’t be answering any questions about my private life or my private thoughts thank
    you very much. Have a good day:)

    Mick

    September 7, 2014 at 12:18 pm

  31. We should demolish the Jobcentres. Anyone got a JCB?

    Landless Peasant

    September 7, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    • No, but I’ve got some semtex left which I failed to declare during the decommissioning, begorra!

      Scary IRA Guy

      September 7, 2014 at 1:49 pm

      • We won’t need it, Bradford itself is a ticking bomb already.

        Landless Peasant

        September 10, 2014 at 12:03 pm

  32. HELLO WAYNE. HOW WAS THE ”HOLIDAY”.

    OUTLOOK.COM

    September 7, 2014 at 4:56 pm

  33. Hello My name is Dean. I have been sent on the Community Work Placement at a recycling plant by Learn Direct. My jobcentre advisor said it would look good on my CV. Learn Direct are really supportive and sometime refund my travel expenses. I am hoping to be kept on as a full-time recycling operative. The Community Work Programme has been really good for me and has given me the chance to prove myself. Dean

    Dean

    September 7, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    • an employer will not even look at non paid work on a cv go ring any agency will say same thing must be paid work or there not interested.

      i take it ld did not tell you they get paid thousands for your stint as a slave. there not going to give you a paid job at the end of it why would they when they can get some else for free.

      super ted

      September 7, 2014 at 7:48 pm

      • btw the fee is £2000 each start.

        super ted

        September 7, 2014 at 8:05 pm

  34. SHOP A WORKFARE EXPLOITER! Forced to work for benefits ? Fight back!

    Tell Edinburgh Coalition Against Poverty the names of any charity or company using the exploiting workfare schemes. You can do this anonymously, and we never reveal our sources.

    We will contact the workfare user and explain why they should stop. If they don’t, we can then denounce them on social media, and organise demos against them. We have blockaded and occupied workfare users like the Salvation Army, Tescos, British Heart Foundation, Poundland etc, shutting them down for periods of time.

    Information on workfare users will be especially useful in planning our Edinburgh actions during the Boycott Workfare Week of Action from 4th – 12th October.

    We are also very keen to learn which exploiters are using Mandatory Work Activity, the Work Programme, Work Experience, Sector-Based Work Academies or any other workfare scheme.

    And do contact us for support in resisting workfare.

    E mailecap@lists.riseup.net Text or ring 07754 766822 Write ECAP, c/o ACE, 17 West Montgomery Place, Edinburgh EH7 5HA Phone 0131 557 6242 (staffed Tuesdays 12-3pm)

    Also denounce a workfare exploiter at http://www.boycottworkfare.org/?page_id=1703

    http://edinburghagainstpoverty.org.uk/node/146

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    September 8, 2014 at 11:04 am

  35. I have been told that I am in a pilot area. The operator i.e third party provider has not been named yet in my area. there are a number of criteria that need to be fulfilled before you get put onto it well in my case risk getting put onto it.

    The Advisor in the jobcentre has no input it is done by a tool they are calling a RAT they enter your National insurance number into the icon what pops up on there screen for every victim i mean customer and that tells them yes or no.

    I have got the criteria and one of the said criteria is that you have to have completed Workprogramme by 6 months. It opens so im told in october and is closed to new applicants by december. They are presumably evaluating this as to how many get driven off the claims balance sheet or the sheer number they will sanction

    The deal is the same as before the advisor/dictators at the partner where your supervision will be carried out with have temporary employment officer status and as such they can sanction.

    kyron1977

    September 10, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    • I am on the WP. My WPP has told me my end-date is 7 April. 3 weeks later I have an intensive interview with JCP and my start date with S——-C is in JUNE. How the F would they know already

      Mr Greenford

      September 10, 2014 at 7:04 pm

      • Off Topic But Potentially Of Importance. If you use Universal Jobmatch. After you have entered you user number and then put your password in please note that the password IS NOT CASE SENSITIVE. I tried resetting password to case sensitive. IT DOES NOT WORK

        MR Greenford

        September 11, 2014 at 4:48 am

  36. “Supervised job search” is supervised job interviews next.

    enigma

    September 15, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    • a long long long time ago the jcp had jobs on cards stuck to the wall and you just pick one and took it to the person at the desk and they would arrange the interview for you there and then.

      these days there is no jobs even advertised in the place anymore its a fkn joke.

      super ted

      September 15, 2014 at 7:31 pm

  37. If you are sent to any providers check tjem out begore you attend. I was asked to go on the pilot jobsearch. The provider was not offering what it should be. I caught them out and complained and refused to go.

    There are things they must provide. Access to fridges to keep food is a big one.

    cherry

    December 12, 2014 at 3:32 pm

  38. The supervised pilot is a sick joke lone parents are going there from 9 till 5 some of them have got part jobs and what if lone parents loose there jobs because the supervised job search pilot scheme is governed by too much paper work its wrong George Osborne is not a lone parent raising children on his own what would he know put a stop to it at once

    Rafika

    December 25, 2014 at 2:50 pm

  39. I am on this programme now, the jobcentre want me to do this programme to look for work for my money the problem is we are put in a room for 8 hours day with no Internet to look for work, and not allowed to get yourself out there asking shops and companys for work, so how am I going to look for work? If I can’t do my job search I don’t get my money and can’t do job search as no Internet where we are. Do I not do my job search to sign on because I can’t or do I come home everyday to look on the Internet for work, then what’s the point of the programme.

    Stephen hulse

    January 2, 2015 at 4:38 pm

    • The point of it is to stop you from making any money on the side, which IDS thinks all the unemployed people are making money on the side. just like those who are working for their benefits, which prevent them from again making any money.

      If you put your message on the newest post which is jobseekers allowance 35hr, you will get more replies about your situation and what to do about it.

      enigma

      January 2, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    • Stephen

      The newest post always contains the latest news on things for us the unemployed, just like today, which contains important info for all of us.

      enigma

      January 2, 2015 at 5:10 pm

  40. The sjp is a joke. G4s are an absolute joke they don’t know how to run anything. From a personal view they can jump off a cliff.

    Rupert

    February 23, 2015 at 9:23 am


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