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Supervised Jobsearch Pilot to Begin in East Anglia in October.

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The supervised Jobsearch scheme (putting people in a jobsearching Prison and made to ‘job search’ for  35 hours a week) is set to begin in East Anglia this October.

This “pilot scheme’ is

In return for receiving their benefit, some Jobseeker’s Allowance claimants will be required to undertake supervised jobsearch activity under a new trial to be introduced next year.

Under the trials selected jobseekers will be required to attend a local centre where they will receive expert support and supervision while they search and apply for jobs. They will be required to attend the centre for 35 hours a week for up to 6 months.

Two pilots are due to be run: one targeting the very long-term unemployed, and the other focusing on claimants who are identified as likely to benefit from this intensive regime early on in their claim.

Attendance at the centres will be mandatory and failure to participate without good reason will lead to a benefit sanction.

Pilots are expected to be running by the end of 2014, and each of the pilots is expected to have around 3,000 participants.

DWP

 

More information (Supervised Jobsearch Pilot Scheme) Regulations 2014.

This is believed to be a model of the the new Jobsearch centres (Supervisors’ office in the centre, Jobseekers’ cells circling around it):

 

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Written by Andrew Coates

September 3, 2014 at 4:13 pm

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  1. o well ill not be going on that then as its going to be run by the providers n ill not sign there paper work so wont get paid o dear.

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2014/9780111115367

    super ted

    September 3, 2014 at 4:30 pm

  2. What this is; a Jobcentre prison. I doubt this will work and there is not enough jobs out there to go for.

    Carl Lawrence

    September 3, 2014 at 4:38 pm

  3. Also where in the country is the other pilot?

    Carl Lawrence

    September 3, 2014 at 4:39 pm

  4. (a)East Anglia;
    (b)Black Country;
    (c)Mercia;
    (d)Surrey & Sussex;
    (e)West Yorkshire.

    super ted

    September 3, 2014 at 4:41 pm

  5. When is the Surrey & Sussex one going ahead.

    Carl Lawrence

    September 3, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    • it dont say on the link i put above or it will be no 4 pilot that comes on line either way ill not have to go on it as i have no cv or nothing to put on one so on paper im unemployable.

      cant sit there 35hrs a week when i have nothing to even apply for a job can i be like a4e 15 years ago 30ppl and 2 staff members suping tea n cakes all day

      super ted

      September 3, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    • I think Guildford starts in a few weeks, probably in October I shouldn’t wonder. Paperwork has started being given out about it already.

      Libertine

      September 8, 2014 at 9:26 pm

  6. What a waste of human effort. Spending 35 hours a week applying for the same jobs other people are spending 35 hours a week applying for.
    If an employer gets 200 applications for a vacancy rather than 100 there is still only one job. Such schemes cannot create any extra jobs – except perhaps a few at the private companies running the schemes.
    These private companies will be paid well out of taxpayers’ money to run schemes which cannot create any extra jobs – only extra job applications.
    Meanwhile real jobs in social services, libraries, nurseries etc have been and are still being destroyed.

    SharronM

    September 3, 2014 at 5:24 pm

    • And jcp have thought out access to loos, water, lunch room, travel expenses for conscriptees ect?? How can anyone stay sane in such awful situation?

      kat rehman

      September 3, 2014 at 5:50 pm

      • Loos? I will do it on their floor!

        Landless Peasant

        September 3, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    • SharronM: this scheme isn’t about helping people back into work. It’s about driving people off the unemployment register by sanction when they do not apply for a so-called suitable vacancy. Whatever that is.

      Schmidtt

      September 4, 2014 at 7:21 am

    • Exactly!

      ghost whistler

      September 5, 2014 at 12:00 pm

  7. I live in East Anglia and am one of the very long-term unemployed, so I’m guessing I’ll probably be put on this. Seetec Cambridge were advertising for candidates for the contract a couple of months ago on cv-library.

    Does anyone know if you can refuse to sign their work plans or data protection waivers? I know this wasn’t mandatory on the WP; you could refuse to sign their paperwork.

    jj joop

    September 3, 2014 at 5:47 pm

    • Yes you can refuse I done it many times you have to remind provider it states you have to attend it don’t state you have to sign there paper work if you don’t ding provider can’t enforce there laws on you refuse point blank if they send you to DWP remind DWP you not refusing go u refusing sign there paper work and there is nothing in jobseekers act says you have to sign . I tell u all another to use when u get to provider get them to ring there insurance company in front you tell them you are there by force you don’t agreed to be there result they won’t insure u to be there .

      paul

      September 3, 2014 at 7:22 pm

    • IT IS CALLED REVERSE ENGINEERING. THIS LOOKS LIKE THE OLD STYLE JOBCLUB AND RESTART COURSES ROLLED INTO ONE. IF IT IS AT THE JOBCENTRE, THEN THEY HAVE TAKEN IT BACK IN HOUSE LIKE THEY ALWAYS WANTED.

      GREENFORD

      September 4, 2014 at 4:05 pm

      • that should be interesting. i sign at nemarket jobcentre. it is very, very small with about 5 adviser desks and a seating-waiting area for 2 people and thats it.

        mad max

        September 4, 2014 at 6:50 pm

      • MAD MAX. THEY WILL PROBABLY SEND YOU TO BURY ST EDMUNDS OR THETFORD JOBCENTRE

        o2

        September 8, 2014 at 1:52 pm

  8. they will want you to sign a contract other wise they cant process your personnel information get paid or bypass the dpa and get you using there computers for job searching.

    there is no law that states you have to enter in to a contract with a 3rd party

    super ted

    September 3, 2014 at 5:55 pm

  9. This should all be very interesting. I am going to have a field day disrupting this latest little pimpo wheeze. I will be the uncooperative client from hell. Watch this space.

    Schmidtt

    September 3, 2014 at 6:20 pm

  10. Landless Peasant

    September 3, 2014 at 7:03 pm

    • Check out the comments on this article, 87 at the last count.

      Schmidtt

      September 4, 2014 at 7:22 am

      • The Jobcentre Plus offices in Bradford, Keighley, Shipley and Leeds are among 64 across the country that will carry out the trial.

        Not all claimants at those centres will take part – and lone parents and carers might not be required to attend for the full 35 hours a week.

        Staff began handing out factsheets today to jobseekers claimants not on the Work Programme or taking part in a community work placement.

        http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11450438.Government_warns_city_s_unemployed___Look_for_work_from_nine_to_five_or_face_losing_benefits_/?ref=var_0

        I signed on this morning at one of the two JCP’s in Bradford but no-one gave me a factsheet about this, or even mentioned it.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        September 4, 2014 at 1:32 pm

      • In the article, it says: “Ministers say the jobseekers will be given intensive help with important skills such as compiling CVs, writing covering letters, timekeeping and interview techniques.”

        F**k me gently, I did all tthis on the WP. And I did it all again recently on a mandatory 5 day PWPS Skills and Conditionality course.

        And as for supervising your job search, is the provider really going to stand over you to make sure you click the Send button on your email account when you apply for a job?

        Schmidtt

        September 4, 2014 at 2:18 pm

      • I read the article. There are 14,500 people claiming Jobseekers Allowance in Bradford. Holy Crap! What are they going to do with all of them?

        `jj joop

        September 4, 2014 at 2:24 pm

  11. and soon will be absolute control.

    enigma

    September 3, 2014 at 7:27 pm

  12. if you do get sent to one of these bloody work camps do not ever use there computers to apply for jobs ever.

    if ur in a jcp then tell them you will use the iad to look for work but will print off the jobs you find and apply for them at home, they cant do nothing about it.

    super ted

    September 3, 2014 at 7:58 pm

  13. DWP now also quietly ‘transferring’ people still completing the old-style Post Work Programme Support Scheme ( remember this ? Hit-Squads etc) onto the new Help to Work Programme. Even though the DWP’s own rules state that the Help to Work Scheme only applies to those people whose Work Programme Completers Interview was on or after the 28th April 2014. As Below:

    Help to Work package (for JSA claimants whose Work Programme Completer Interview is on or after 28 April 2014)

    The Help to Work (HtW) package is help and support, based on a claimant’s individual circumstances. It is comprised of three distinct elements:

    Mandatory Intervention Regime (MIR)

    Daily Work Search Reviews (Daily WSR)

    Community Work Placements (CWP)

    The HtW package of support applies to Jobseekers Allowance (JSA) claimants whose Work Programme Completer Interview (WPCI) is on or after 28 April 2014.

    Where the WPCI date is prior to 28 April 2014, the previous JSA Post Work Programme Support (PWPS) guidance must be followed.

    By ignoring all the above, or relying on the fact that most people simply don’t know the regulations, the DWP are able to force the unsuspecting claimant onto the much stricter ‘Help to Work Conditions’, such as Daily Work Search Reviews, which were not part of the original Post Work Programme Support Scheme.

    Jeff Smith

    September 4, 2014 at 9:03 am

    • Thanks Jeff, very useful information that should be as widely known as possible.

      Andrew Coates

      September 4, 2014 at 9:32 am

      • Do you know exactly where it states that if you completed the WP before 28th April 2014, you are exempt from Help To Work?

        Schmidtt

        September 4, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    • I’m pre 28th april 2014 – and my adviser told me after speaking about this recently, that I wasn’t going to be put on HtW (including the Cwp), as it didn’t apply to me. Instead of HtW, I am back on Pwps – and have just completed an Mwa (unfortunately – which they can still send you on). They can also make you sign daily, but other than that, pre-28th , they can’t put you on HtW or Cwp.

      This is also stated in the Help to Work guidance, and also confirmed in FOI requests to the Dwp.

      Spoog

      September 13, 2014 at 8:23 pm

  14. HAVING A GO AT THE UNEMPLOYED. NEW SECURITY SITUATION. ETC ETC
    THERE MUST BE AN ELECTION COMING. OH YES CLACTON ON SEA [AKA WALMINGTON ON SEA] THEN THERES ONE NEXT YEAR TOO

    SARCASTIC SOD

    September 4, 2014 at 4:10 pm

  15. pedro

    September 4, 2014 at 7:38 pm

    • Thanks for this, pedro, the jobcentre have said I am being refereed to this help to work slave labour crap even though I finished the wp in January 2014!! I have told them they can’t – they say they can cos the manager has oked it!!

      Lucy

      September 5, 2014 at 5:19 am

      • Hi Lucy. Are you going to show them the link pedro has posted? If you do, I’d be grateful if you’d let us all know what the outcome is. This is a very worrying development.

        Schmidtt

        September 5, 2014 at 8:57 am

    • Hey pedro, thanks for that, mate. Now I’ll just have to wait and see if they try and put me on it or not. I finished the wp xmas last year.

      Schmidtt

      September 5, 2014 at 8:53 am

      • I finished the work programme in December 2013 and have been told that I’m being referred to this scheme. They’re referring people who’ve been back at the jobcentre for 26 weeks or more since finishing the work programme. That was what I was told last week anyway.

        Libertine

        September 8, 2014 at 9:21 pm

      • they say if it was at a provider or at a jcp?

        super ted

        September 8, 2014 at 9:54 pm

      • They don’t know yet where it will be taking place. I can’t see it being at the JC because they don’t have toilets that we can use and surely by law they would have to provide them.

        Libertine

        September 8, 2014 at 10:13 pm

  16. they have toilets they just dont want us to use them full stop only ever time i seen ppl use it if someone was having a medical or if a small kid needed to go.

    if it is with a provider do not enter in to a contract or sign a data waver as by law they cant make you do that.

    the jcp might say its mandatory but its not mandatory to sign there paper work as that’s up to you.

    still cant find how much there getting for this or if the payment is up front like the work programmers 400 quid ref fee.

    and just remember if you show up say you will job search on there equipment and collect job print outs to apply for at home but not sign anything you will be out the door.

    and prob then get a sanction doubt for not attending cos they want there fee keep bus tickets as proof you went and send back with the letter stating you turned up and they sent you home.

    did the same with my mwa and one that sanction as well 😉

    super ted

    September 8, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    • and tbh i cant see that many being sent on it as if every one caught the bus with rooms filled with 30 ppl in them all day will be millions.

      and if they tell you to get a mega rider for the hole week say you cant afford it, single there and back with cash refund each day for return home.

      super ted

      September 8, 2014 at 10:59 pm

      • They better not make me get the bus, it takes 3x longer to get there than the train. When I had to go in for a week on the work programme once they paid me train fare back every day but I wasn’t going in during the peak period like probably will be doing for this which then makes it work out pretty expensive.

        Libertine

        September 8, 2014 at 11:13 pm

      • if the wp paid ur train fair then they will have to as well tell them take it out the fee the dwp paid them for fuck all.;)

        super ted

        September 8, 2014 at 11:30 pm

      • Yes, I shall say something along those lines, good answer.

        Libertine

        September 9, 2014 at 2:26 am

    • I think they have just staff toilets, same as in some shops, who don’t let the public use them but sometimes allow pregnant women or young children to.
      I just remembered something though, although they didn’t seem to know much, they did say that it would most likely be run by a provider ‘like’ A4E but didn’t know if it would be in jcp or elsewhere.
      I’m absolutely dreading this being cooped up like a battery hen for 3 months, shoot me now please.

      Libertine

      September 8, 2014 at 11:00 pm

  17. I’m absolutely dreading this being cooped up like a battery hen for 3 months, shoot me now please.

    do what i said and refuse to sign there paper work but be more than happy to use there stuff just dont give them any personnel info at all not even email, print out jobs n take them home, if they ask you to sign the fire reg print your name in it, not that they will bother showing you the fire escapes ect anyway.

    remember they can mandate you to use a iad but only in a jcp soon as its at a provider then thats a 3rd party and a diff ball game.

    i even told gaia last year the providers will be doing it rather than jcp as they dont have the staff to even try it on. wont let most of the public use toilets ect.

    and i was on daily signing and not even allowed to use the 4 iad they had there no staff to man it lol sign n go lasted not even 2 weeks.

    super ted

    September 8, 2014 at 11:23 pm

    • I have a seperate email address that I use for them, I don’t want them infiltrating my real one, same with phone, it’s one I keep specifically for junk callers.

      Libertine

      September 9, 2014 at 2:20 am

  18. Beware of any form of jobsearch in the jobcentre because the jobcentre monitor everything you do and if they decide you haven’t being trying hard enough they will sanction your benefits.

    Jobseekers Beware!!

    September 9, 2014 at 3:56 am

    • They don’t need too. That is why they want your email address. I was also advised that they have a Twitter and Facebook account. Wanted then too know why I did not. I told them there was a specific reason. They checked and backed down.

      Mr Greenford

      September 9, 2014 at 8:12 am

  19. Signing the JSAg / CC is a condition of JSA / UC. Signing any provider paperwork isn’t. This link posted by super ted in an earlier posting makes no mention of having to sign the provider’s paperwork. Only that participation in the scheme is mandatory.

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2014/9780111115367

    jj joop

    September 9, 2014 at 6:16 pm

  20. and i have not lost 1 sanction doubt and for the last 5 years i have not had to stay and do any of it wp included was there 20mins 1 day and that was that.

    i had some crazy bach tell me im braking the law not signing there contract pmsl give us the phone n ill ring them my self.

    super ted

    September 9, 2014 at 6:36 pm

  21. Supervised jobsearch pilot, extra help to get people back to work.

    Supervised jobsearch is a new pilot scheme in your area, to help people search and apply for jobs, if your selected for the scheme, it will give you the help and support to look for work.

    Support on the scheme includes:
    Search for jobs
    Writing covering letters and CV’S
    Improving your job applications
    Interview techniques

    The scheme is also designed to help you with other general skills, such as timekeeping, and, if you’ve been out of work for a while, with getting back into the routine of a working day.

    The tasks you’ll do as part of the scheme will be designed to suit your individual needs.

    Who can take part?

    If your work coach thinks your need extra support to find a job and has identified you as someone suitable to take part in it, they may refer you to the supervised jobsearch pilot.

    If you’ve not been on the work programme, you may be referred to supervised jobsearch from week 20 to week 38 of your jobseekers claim.

    If you have completed the work programme and have continued to get jobcentre support for at least 26 weeks from completion of the work programme, you may be referred to supervised jobsearch.

    How does it work?

    If you are referred, your work coach will give you an appointment letter to meet your “provider” (our term for the organization that will run your supervised jobsearch

    At your first meeting, the provider will explain more about supervised jobsearch and make it clear what is expected of you, they will assess your skills and experience to find out how ready you are for work, they will also discuss any additional support you may need, you will get help to write and agree an action plan, which will be reviewed and updated frequently.

    After the assessment, your provider will give you 13 weeks of jobsearch supervision, for up to 35 hours a week from Monday to Friday at their premises, you can expect to:

    Search for jobs in a helpful and supportive setting.
    Agree with your provider what help you need to get ready to find work.
    Get advice on how to improve your chances of getting a job.
    Learn skills like good timekeeping, attendance and keeping a routine.

    When your provider needs you to do anything, like attend an interview or complete jobsearch tasks, they will give you a letter explaining exactly what it is you must do.

    Do I have to take part?

    Yes, if you are referred to supervised jobsearch, you must attend every day and take part for the full 13 weeks, if you do not do this, without good reason, your benefit will be sanctioned.

    If you have any concerns or questions on why you may be selected for this support, your suitability for this scheme or if you think this scheme is not for you, you should discuss this with your work coach.

    What happens if I don’t take part or refuse to do everything I should?

    If you did not take part fully in supervised jobsearch, your jobseekers allowance will be stopped for

    4 weeks, if it’s the first time you didn’t fully take part, or
    13 weeks, if you havn’t fully taken part more than once.

    The provider can ask you to apply for jobs and go to job interviews, if you don’t do this without good reason, your jobseekers allowance (and national insurance contributions will be stopped for:

    13 weeks, if it’s the first time you didn’t fully take part
    26 weeks, if it’s the second time, and
    156 weeks, if you do not fully take part three or more times.

    Will I still need to attend jobcentre meetings?

    Yes, you will still have to sign on, and attend any other meetings at the jobcentre, the jobcentre will take into account your are participating in the supervised jobsearch scheme, your provider will also be aware of your obligation to sign on and attend appointments at the jobcentre.

    enigma

    September 19, 2014 at 6:38 pm

  22. Check out the provider, they are supposed to legally provide access to kitchen facilities, rest room, sick room etc, wifi, but they dont. These are the legal arrangements for delivery its all on gov.uk refuse to go they cant sanction you if provider is breaching the health and safety act.

    cherry

    December 12, 2014 at 3:22 pm


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