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Iain Duncan Smith Urged By Senior Tories To Shut All Jobcentres

No this is not a story from the Daily Mash (‘COFFEE’ served in Scottish cafes is actually high strength lager),

This dream solution for all the problems about Jobpoints comes from the Huffington Post.

It was just signaled on Facebook.

Iain Duncan Smith is reportedly being urged by senior Tories to shut down all Jobcentres and let private companies and charities to step in to help Britain’s unemployed back to work.

The proposal, backed by allies of chancellor George Osborne, is being considered for potential inclusion in the party’s election manifesto for 2015, in what would be a radical step for Britain’s system to help people into work.

One senior Tory told The Sun: “Introducing competition into the job search market is a natural Conservative thing to do. Tailoring help from experts for what people really need will work far better than the clumsy one-size-fits-all state solution.”

However, Duncan Smith is believed to be sceptical about the idea, with a source describing the proposal as “expensive and complicated”.

Comment, yes but if making a pretty penny out of the unemployment is the objective, then there’s plenty from the Welfare-to-Work-Business who’d be interested.

The article continues,

This comes as a report by David Cameron’s favourite think-tank Policy Exchange called for Jobcentres to be split up and forced to compete with charities and the private sector to help people into work.

Just over a third (36%) of Jobcentre users find sustained work because deep-rooted problems fail to be addressed, the report said, adding that they could be replaced with “Citizen Support” centres to better help jobseekers.

“The way public services are currently structured means that often a jobseeker ends up being passed from pillar to post,” said Guy Miscampbell, an economics and social policy research fellow at Policy Exchange.

“This is confusing for the individual, creates barriers to help them into work and is expensive.

“Services have improved enormously, but there is still a lot more to do. What is needed is a radical overhaul of the system which puts the needs of the jobseeker first.”

In response the Policy Exchange report, a spokesperson for the Department for Work and Pensions said: “Every day up and down the country our Jobcentre advisers are working closely with local authorities and other organisations to help people off benefits and into work. We now have an employment rate which has never been higher and record numbers of people in work.

“The Work Programme – which is run by private providers who are paid by results – is helping more people than any previous employment programme and has already helped 300,000 into lasting work, and through Universal Credit we are redefining the contract between benefit claimants and the welfare state and helping to make work pay.”

The miserable failure of the Work Programme is an indication of what Privately run and ‘charitable’ Jobcentres would be like.

(Thanks to all who’ve flagged this one up)


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  1. Jeez, not this Guy Miscampbell [expletive deleted] again!

    Fuck the Policy Exchange

    July 21, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    • Guarantee a jobseeker a job and cut the crap or leave poor people alone why these stuck up rich scum are so interested in the poor peoples free money to live on chicken and chips,sausage and chips, i dont know take your toffy nose out and continue with your office job,starbucks coffie and excellant working conditions.The poor will continue to smile with temp work, minimum wage,bad working conditions,abusive mananergers if you are poor and refuse this work dont feel guilty i dont.
      We need to build a data base for jobcentreplus freelabourloaders like poundland lets go for it declare class war it is also a war on uperclass non accountability, for hyporcrytes mps who fiddle expences,high paid civil servants who give a poor service.


      October 4, 2014 at 8:19 am

  2. As in this…

    “Jobcentres should be completely overhauled.

    The employment services part should be mutualised and be allowed to compete with the private and voluntary sectors as well as other public bodies to provide specialist support for people looking to find work.

    The remaining part of Jobcentre Plus should be expanded and rebranded as Citizen Support. It would effectively act as the primary and central hub for accessing government services, enabling advisors to identify an individual’s specific barriers to work and suggest providers that could help meet that person’s needs.

    The advisor would also show the success rate of each provider using comparison data to help the jobseeker make a more informed decision about which providers are most appropriate to help them.

    Instead of the budget being allocated directly from central government to different providers as is currently the case, the money would be allocated to the individual claimant and then be funnelled to the provider of choice who is paid on the outcomes they achieve.

    Unlike the current system, the provider of choice would act as an individual’s ‘caseholder’ – a specific point of contact. That lead provider will then coordinate specialist support suited to that person’s unique needs.”

    Guy Miscampbell
    Economics & Social Policy Research Fellow


    Seems a recipe for a re-organisational disaster that would make Universal Credit’s problems pale into insignificance.

    Andrew Coates

    July 21, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    • Jobcentres should be closed down along with the whole signing-on, conditionality, sanctions, workfare regime. The functions of Jobcentre or the control of benefit payments should not be taken over by the greedy, corrupt and criminal private sector providers who we know only to well. Jobseekers DO NOT need or require your ‘tailored’ ‘help and support’. Instead, Jobseekers should be paid through the same systems (already in place) that pensioners are paid through. This would benefit the hard-working taxpayer to the tune of many £billions through savings jobcentre infrastructure, staff and the whole third-party welfare-to-work industry. Put that in you pipe and smoke it – Policy Exchange!

      The New Policy Exchange

      July 21, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    • Imagine the likes of Working Links taking over the Jobcentres, ffs!


      July 21, 2014 at 6:44 pm

      • Even Worse Seetec Or G4S/SERCO


        July 22, 2014 at 7:47 am

  3. However, Duncan Smith is believed to be sceptical about the idea, with a source describing the proposal as “expensive and complicated”.

    This shouldn’t bother IDS too much as he’s used to wasting vast amounts of taxpayers money on completely useless and unworkable ideas.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    July 21, 2014 at 4:40 pm

  4. I think the PCS union will have something to say about Jobcentres being shutdown or even put into competition with private providers.


    Obi Wan Kenobi

    July 21, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    • Obi

      The PCS Union have already commented:

      A spokesperson for the Public and Commercial Services (PCS) Union told the Huffington Post UK: “Any failings in our social security system are entirely down to privatisation, with the work programme being the most obvious example, or a lack of staff and resources as a result of successive years of spending cuts. Jobcentres need the exact opposite of what some in the Tory party and their supporters appear to want.”


      July 21, 2014 at 5:22 pm

      • To be honest I think this idea is to much for even IDS to contemplate – sick as the bastard is.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        July 21, 2014 at 5:35 pm

  5. PCS should had discovered its testicles alot earlier many commentators have predicted this turn of events for a good long while

    Now watch them fall over themselves trying to save member jobs

    random bloke

    July 21, 2014 at 5:29 pm

  6. It’s not only Jobcentres the government want to privatise:

    6-day strike against privatisation in MOJ.

    PCS members based in Bootle, Merseyside who provide corporate services in the Ministry of Justice are staging a 6-day strike against privatisation.

    The action, which includes 120 members and runs from 24-31 July, is part of our ongoing campaign to protect jobs and prevent offshoring in shared services, covering areas such as finance, IT or HR.


    Obi Wan Kenobi

    July 21, 2014 at 5:58 pm

  7. Reblogged this on Britain Isn't Eating.


    July 21, 2014 at 6:06 pm

  8. Reblogged this on UNEMPLOYED IN TYNE & WEAR.


    July 21, 2014 at 7:18 pm

  9. Theres more on this line here.


    This news story overlooks whats happening at jobcentre plus. they are not interested in helping anyone except sanctions’ and just making people disappear without any concern for the person.especially with the conditions mentioned

    Its got so bad that it simply cannot last under this format.


    July 22, 2014 at 4:01 am

    • It would be a lot worse under Private Providers if not impossible.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      July 22, 2014 at 10:50 am

  10. Reblogged this on Beastrabban’s Weblog and commented:
    I heard this was in the offing from a friend a little while ago. He came to the conclusion that the government wanted to shut down the jobcentres and privatise their work because of the way jobcentres have been gradually separated from actually giving advice to people seeking work, and actually handling or processing unemployment claims.


    July 22, 2014 at 7:28 am

  11. The Work Programme and (now) Help to Work are meant to cover the stuff this proposal covers.

    They are carried out by private companies etc (usual ‘charities’ or ‘voluntary sector’ stuff).

    The first is a miserable failure, and the second, what happened to it?

    Andrew Coates

    July 22, 2014 at 10:23 am

  12. Interesting Guardian report. What will IDS say about this. ( nothing as usual.)


    July 22, 2014 at 12:16 pm

  13. Reblogged this on Jay's Journal and commented:
    Another way of wasting vast amounts of money…


    July 22, 2014 at 12:20 pm

  14. From Boycott Workfare,

    Breaking news: The DWP have lost their appeal to the Upper Tribunal so cannot lawfully withhold information about where workfare placements are taking place.
    This could be v v important: The DWP fears that if the public know who is using workfare, the schemes will “collapse”.
    More on the ruling as we get it. Feel free to share ideas on how we can make that “collapse” happen

    Andrew Coates

    July 22, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    • Most of the places that have people working on MWA’s or CWP’s usually don’t open while around 9:00am.

      Anybody who knows of any charity or firm running Workfare needs to get there early (like 6:00am early) with a whopping great poster denouncing Workfare and attach it to their building.

      It will no doubt be taken down once the staff arrive, but that won’t be until around 8:00am or later.

      2 hrs + is a long time on a main road, it will get loads of attention.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      July 22, 2014 at 5:03 pm

      • Its cheaper for them to drag their heels in the court than to go name/shaming football clubs (you heard me right, a number do placements for mwa and simular schemes)

        random bloke

        July 22, 2014 at 6:37 pm

    • This good news, indeed. Now let’s see if the DWP pony up the info.

      jj joop

      July 23, 2014 at 8:26 am

      • I am raring to do, particularly after that SEETC ad saying they offer this workfare – free labour,

        ” Of particular interest are opportunities which exist within Local councils and Housing Providers to increase numbers on existing projects or to create new projects of benefit to their residents and the local area they serve.

        Examples of such projects include estate maintenance and local renovation, groundswork, horticulture, recycling as well as administration, customer service and sales, warehousing, distribution and cleaning services. The list of potential projects is almost endless.”

        Andrew Coates

        July 23, 2014 at 10:29 am

  15. i just posted on there fb that the used mwa slaves n that was me done and was told to leave the store and given 10 quid and said ill not get sanctioned.

    3 weeks later get a sanction doubt saying i never went, sent off proof that i did and one.

    jcp has nothing left now to try and sanction me with and will be just signing as normal now and not have to see any adviser only if i want to lol. 😉

    super ted

    July 22, 2014 at 4:19 pm

  16. Years ago in the 1980’s and 1990’s when I worked for the Unemployment Benefit Office as was, there was rumor then of Jobcentres as were closing. You would have been give a signing book that you took to the post office. The post office in return would forward your coupon to the DHSS as was then and you would get a cheque or bank credit 1 week later,
    The CSU protested and things were left alone until Mr Portillo brought in JSA

    Administration Officer

    July 23, 2014 at 7:56 am

  17. Useful Link:


    G4S will no doubt be running most Jobcentres as well – they seem to have a finger in a lot of pies at the moment!

    Secret Agent

    July 23, 2014 at 9:16 am


    Two excerpts of interest to all political commentators:

    “…political journalists and bloggers are subject to the full range of anti-terrorism powers if they threaten to publish, prepare to publish something that the authorities think may be dangerous to life, public health or public safety.”

    “The definition [of terrorism] was so broad it would even catch a campaigner who voiced religious objections to a vaccination campaign on the grounds that they were a danger to public health”.


    Secret Agent

    July 23, 2014 at 9:23 am

  19. well after posting my letters on fb and adding links on army of angles face book page they have had my account banned and can no longer log in to my fb page with that account all for posting the truth that these cunts use mwa slaves and they tried to sanction me and failed just to get there fee from the dwp for doing fuck all.

    if this is what a charity will do that so called helps our armed forces god fkn help us all is all i say, ill never give up or give in to these fkn ass holes and i have never lost yet.

    super ted

    July 23, 2014 at 10:39 am

  20. This is inevitable.

    ghost whistler

    July 23, 2014 at 11:52 am

  21. super ted

    In the wake of you FB drama with ‘Army of Angels’, here’s more on web censorship:


    And here is a report on an ex-army man who died as a result of a benefit sanction:


    Perhaps you can show the last report to Army of Angels.


    July 23, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    • Two interesting stories however the first one I think is off base but im going to ignore that one as the other is just to important not to acknowledge.

      You know back in the day a returning soldier was somebody yet today that respect and gratitude is all but gone on todays society. With a lot of the homeless being ex military I cant say im surprized how DWP treated him. You’ve only got to draw your mind back to the Rigsby murder to see the public were no different. I would have thought giving or risking ones life for another who risks it everyday for us irrespective of political agenda the moment they don their uniform would be an easy decision to make yet most their stood like cowards, more interested in uploading it to youtube rather than doing the decent thing a british citizen should.

      What compounds it for me in the case of this soldiers needless death as a result of a sanction is he would have done 4 tours in Ireland then as they use to last 6 months a time and usually your only expected to do it once within your first year after basic training. The IRA bombed and shocked Britain more than any other terrorists todate so how a tear can be found for poor young Rigsby yet not for one who served in a very dangerous place (worst than Iraq or Afghanistan) not once, not twice but 4 terms is truly shocking.

      For his service he should have got benefits for life without question as that’s the least we can do for our brave fighting force, especially for one as brave as this man obviously was.

      Lastly if your paying attention DWP, stop with this last resort lark as sanctions are your only resort and the mere fact you never see anything but besides jobseekers direction in your operation guides just shows it which by the way is also being used wrongly as their now handed out before the claimants have even questioned your advice (procedure dictates their has to be a disagreement first before issuing such) for the likes of skills conditionality course, jobfairs and the likes. I guarantee you if advisors were under a sanction system for failure to conduct themselves inline with documented procedure our jobcentres would be empty. STOP LYING YOU TWO BIT CROOKS


      July 23, 2014 at 5:32 pm

  22. Perhaps you can show the last report to Army of Angels.

    yea right they be the first ones round his gaff to empty it and flog it in there stores for profit.

    and tbh i never put anything on there that was a lie anyway, i called um fuckers and said id be sending a complaint to the ico and my letters proving they used mwa had me sanctioned for non attendance and one my doubt n that was it.

    bet they thought they had me on a 3 month sanction and id go away pmsl 🙂

    and its not that hard to open another fb account

    super ted

    July 23, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    • Just to keep you up to date super ted, army of angels have still not replied to my email which sort of says to me their ducking the issue. I will email them again to remind them except this time unless of course you have already done it will be putting it in FOI format.


      July 23, 2014 at 5:37 pm

      • go fot it ill be sending off my complaints about this to the ico 😉

        super ted

        July 23, 2014 at 7:20 pm

  23. David Lammy MP on Jobcentres are no longer fit for purpose and are letting young people down

    As usual the comments are more sensible than the article.


    Another Fine Mess

    July 23, 2014 at 11:49 pm

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