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Jobless young adults would lose their automatic right to some state benefits under a Labour Government to encourage them to find work, Ed Miliband will announce on Thursday.

The 18-21 age group would no longer qualify for Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) and income support if they had skills below Level 3. If they undertook training to try to reach that level, they would qualify for a £57-a-week allowance, the JSA rate for under-25s. It would be means-tested and paid only if their parents’ joint income were less than £42,000 a year. Unemployed young adults would normally be expected to live with their parents rather than claim housing benefit.

The “tough love” plan is aimed at tackling the problem of almost one million “Neets” – young people not in education, employment or training. It would affect about 100,000 people, seven out of 10 of the 18-21 group claiming JSA. Current benefit rules prevent them training while looking for work.

Labour claims the move would save at least £65m a year in lower benefit payments and much more in the long run, because a “Neet” costs the Government more than £2,000 a year for the rest of their working lives.

Although denying benefits is bound to cause controversy, Mr Miliband will describe the move as “progressive not punitive”. It would not apply to people with young children or disabilities, which prevent them preparing for work. He will say the present system is unjust for young people not at university because they get no state support if they do more than 16 hours a week of training or further education.

The proposal forms part of a blueprint published by the IPPR think tank on how to create a fairer society in an age of austerity. The “Condition of Britain” report will shape the policies on which Labour will fight next year’s general election.

Mr Miliband will also endorse the IPPR’s plan to restore the contributory principle to the heart of the welfare system. Under Labour, the higher rate £71-a-week JSA, currently paid to people who have been in work for two years, would kick in only after five years in work, but the level would be raised by between £20-£30 a week

Independent.

The Guardian notes,

The removal of JSA for those with skills below level 3 would affect seven out of 10 of the 18-to-21-year-olds currently claiming JSA, and initially save £65m.

Comments.

  • Making the benefits of people under 21 dependent on their parents’ income is wrong in principle: it makes them…dependent on their parents and fails to respect them as adults. If they can vote why can’t they have the same rights as everybody else?
  • Why are people NEETS? Is Labour proposing to massively expand real education, or to use the existing system of training ‘providers’, many of whom have contributed to the dire results of the Work Programme as we know it. And what happens to those who do have Level 3 qualifications? We await clarification on this.
  • Unemployed young adults will be “expected” to live with their parents. This is to confine people to their family home. The reasons why this is not suitable for many people are too obvious to need citing – though apparently not something registered by the paternalistic ‘blue Labour’ advisers who have shaped this idea. This does not just apply to those with young children or with disabilities.

One could add that the contributory element seems appealing to those who would qualify, but what about those who do not?

On this point the Guardian says,

Miliband will reveal further plans to make welfare more conditional by linking benefit payments to national insurance contributions.

Under his plans, people would only be able to claim the higher rate JSA of £71 a week after they have paid National Insurance for five years, instead of the current two. The contributory element of the welfare system has been eroded in Britain and is much smaller than in most European economies.

So many people will be further pushed into poverty.

And for those already on benefits.

Are we to see  the real level of our benefits continue to erode well below the poverty line?

Will we still have to pay the ever rising cost of Council Tax?

Will full Housing Benefits be restored?

Miliband is silent.

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Written by Andrew Coates

June 19, 2014 at 10:55 am

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  1. I want to know does this include immigration teens that come over with there parents to work. But unable to find employment these also sign on??

    angelspawn666

    June 19, 2014 at 11:57 am

  2. No wage rises until jobless rate falls to 5% says MPC member

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27901454

    So much for making work pay?

    gaia

    June 19, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    • You mean no wage rises for the workers, don’t you. Plenty of wonga and expenses-paid jollies for those Westminister parasites, though.

      jj joop

      June 19, 2014 at 6:25 pm

  3. For any interested?

    Work Programme statistical summary June 2014

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/work-programme-statistical-summary-june-2014

    gaia

    June 19, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    • I’m guessing it’s still failing and that people are still worse off than they were before they went on it. Otherwise IDS would be beating his chest telling us all what a bloody great success it is.

      jj joop

      June 19, 2014 at 6:16 pm

  4. WHATS THE HOMELESSNESS IN YOUR AREA, HAS IT INCREASED OR DECREASED?

    Dublin’s housing boom fuels surge in homelessness

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27877029

    gaia

    June 19, 2014 at 12:09 pm

  5. It’s just more bullshit. Neither Left nor Right can possibly cure unemployment. It will always exist. Capitalism needs it to function. People will always require adequate State support. There is no escaping the fact that there are not sufficient jobs for everyone and the State owes us a living. Have you got that Miliband?

    Landless Peasant

    June 19, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    • I’m sure Millimetre got it a long time ago. The unemployed are just a convenient/fashionable soundbite for that metrosexual turd.

      jj joop

      June 19, 2014 at 6:20 pm

  6. In my neighbourhood the 18/19 yr olds I’ve talked to seem to think that they have no alternative but to deal drugs, and that’s now, never mind if Miliband’s bullshit transpires. They are already getting an absolute pittance in Benefits, and in many cases loans & debts are being deducted at source. These kids are not academic or educated or in some cases intelligent enough to study, and will ultimately end up in jail.

    Landless Peasant

    June 19, 2014 at 2:39 pm

  7. Just how badly-thought through this scheme is came out on the Radio Four News at One. A Labour spokesperson could not say either (1) How long National Insurance based benefit lasts for now, (2) How long this new contribution based extra benefit would last for the person claiming it.

    Answer to the first question (from Ipswich Unemployed Action’s vast research department) is 182 days.

    Answer to the second seems to be (from Labour) “er…….”

    Andrew Coates

    June 19, 2014 at 2:49 pm

  8. Universal Credit policy to EXPAND to 90 jobcentres

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27934566

    KEEP US INFORMED NORTH WEST ENGLAND

    PLEASE report every bump in the road

    gaia

    June 20, 2014 at 1:41 am

    • Thanks for that update, gaia. I’m guessing IDS will try and expand UC nationally for everyone at the last the minute, literally. And then leave a huge pile of shit for the next government to clean up. I predict even more chaos. What an age we live in.

      jj joop

      June 20, 2014 at 7:13 am

      • Feels like it’s another attack on the disabled. People with dyslexia and unable to read will never hit a level 3 qualification.

        angelspawn666

        June 20, 2014 at 7:24 am

      • angelspawn666:

        Yeah, you try telling that to IDS and McSkank. They’ll just look at you like you’re mad. When I was on the WP, they were inducting amputees in wheelchairs, the blind, etc. They all had their carers with them. I spoke to two of them, and they didn’t want to be there. It was a case of attend or be sanctioned.

        jj joop

        June 20, 2014 at 8:30 am

      • For the record angelspawn, this country is actually making good strides towards that issue and has for some time, none the less im glad you brought it up as theirs still much to do on that front.

        I cant speak across the total education spectrum but in science, engineering and math, these departments are producing quite a few now qualified students who suffer from the issue you mention so I can only imagine what with other subjects being less taxing on the brain and senses that they to are enjoying the same success.

        Now I don’t know how long its been since you were at college but much has changed with regards to young students. I wish I could say the same for those over 24 but sadly if you don’t already know, the UK government irrespective of the party in power both now and previous aren’t as supportive for this group.

        Sure their send you on a course but as sure as the sun comes up, it will be to short, below the required curve and ineffectual as it effects their plans of cutting expenditure.

        Basically the government still now despite mass calls for upskilling wont change the regulations to allow someone on benefits to take up a fulltime course and infact insist on the claimant signing a agreement first stating that they will drop the course if offered any job and by any I do mean ANY. This also includes their schemes so you could easily find yourself having to give up a part time course just so they can stick you on a meaningless placement that wont even guarantee a job.
        To make matters worse this government started to withdraw concessions meaning not only now does the person lose out on a qualification but also ends up in debt to schemes like the 24 plus advanced learners loan if called upon to take up any job or meaningless government scheme.

        Both conservative and labour despite claiming to champion proper skilling and education still to this very date DO NOT SUPPORT ANYONE TO TAKE UP FULL TIME DECENT COURSES AND AS USUAL OPT TO FORCE THE PERSON TO TAKE OUT A LOAN THAT WILL BE WRAPPED AROUND THEIR NECK FOR DECADES TO COME.

        To further cement this fact as im sure you know we have a massive skill shortage in science, engineering and further and advanced math, yet despite the government knowing this made all three areas amongst the first to get the concessions chop so are in point of fact the actual direct cause to the very shortage I mention when talking over 24s. This and allowing the continuance of these ineffectual be a qualified in this or that in a mere 6 months has further enflamed the problem.

        Our government both past and present wont commit beyond short term solutions which never yields good results when talking education and training.

        gaia

        June 22, 2014 at 4:51 am

    • Yes thanks Gaia – a very bumpy road indeed!

      Andrew Coates

      June 22, 2014 at 11:18 am

  9. ESA sickness benefit is ‘failing’, government documents say

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27927842

    ONLY the Tories could make a scheme that operates worse than the original. Cant wait to see the stink that comes from universal credit?

    gaia

    June 20, 2014 at 1:49 am

  10. There are two problems with this. As someone has already mentioned, not everyone is capable of achieving a Level 3 qualification. And what happens to those who do achieve it, when they apply for a job which doesn’t require that level of qualification (or any qualification) and are rejected as over-qualified?

    In their 13 years in government, Labour spent all of their time looking over their Champagne Socialist shoulders making sure Thatcher agreed before any policy was introduced/changed. They must know she’s dead (good riddance) as her two proteges (Blair and Brown) attended her (state funded) funeral. I haven’t voted Labour since 2001, nor will I whilst this sort of policy is the best they can come up with.

    Blackpool Lad

    June 20, 2014 at 11:25 am

  11. 1,500 people queing outside Aldi for a job.
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/aldi-1500-people-queue-three-3275527

    If only they had all done level 3 qualifications then all 1,500 would’ve got a job. – As if the managers are looking for shelf stackers that are more qualified than themselves.

    I did A level many years ago, only a small % of the year (less than 10%) got to do them, and some of this 10% were struggling, they’re tough even in a subject you’re interested in. These new Level 3/A Level can’t be anywhere near the level of the old A levels.

    Another Fine Mess

    June 20, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    • Every things so dumbed down and target driven – you cant fail a level 3 . the lectures will go ver and over your course work with you until YOU PASS

      growls

      June 25, 2014 at 4:54 pm

  12. And what happens to those young people leaving care who don’t have parents to live with, or those under 21 who are married?

    Caryl Hughes

    June 20, 2014 at 2:13 pm

  13. I would not be able to do this as if my older children do not have an income and can not contribute to the house hold bills I simply would not be able to maintain on a basic level the home they live in let alone fee us all. If they are going to do this maybe they need to extend the tax credits system to accomadate this as for many people it will be impossible to survive even at a basic level of just paying bills and buying food. no matter which way you turn or what you try to do they keep adding more rungs to the ladder soon it will be impossible just to reach the first one its extremely scary I was never out of work at that age and infact had 3 jobs 1 full time and 2 part time.

    smorris

    June 20, 2014 at 3:08 pm

  14. Hallelujah, Hallelujah! Praise the Lord! It’s a fucking miracle. Things are picking up at last.

    Oh, and in case any of you are wondering – yeah, I’m being sarcastic.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2663066/Firms-wont-need-hire-foreign-workers-claims-IDS-Benefits-reforms-make-time-jobs-attractive.html

    jj joop

    June 21, 2014 at 11:38 am

    • Reading the comments to that article things are picking up, – even in the DM more and more people are realising that the problem is lack of viable work/jobs, and nothing to do with the social security system. Also shows how out of touch Ed is.

      Another Fine Mess

      June 21, 2014 at 4:07 pm

    • I don’t know about the rest of the unemployed but im laughing my tits off at the working class who were hoodwinked, hook line and sinker by this government into believing that being harsh on the unemployed would reduce public spending when all along it was actually the working class that were the biggest takers of benefits.

      They so didnt realise how they willingly gave support to a scheme that now soon will put them squarely on par with the people they tried to ostracize as scape goats, how they will first hand have the pleasure of knowing first hand what its like to be sanctioned just like the unemployed despite slaving 10 to 29 hours a week some cases more).

      That’s right, if anything being unemployed is still more financially viable considering the penalty all will face, how despite slaving 20 hours a week they could still end up as a result of a sanction first penniless, then jobless and finally homeless and all the government will say is that it was all the workers own doing, well, after the first 13 weeks of no benefit that is.

      So dear workers who thought they were better than us, HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW ?

      How does it feel to realise that your not actually as clever or a safe as you thought ?

      Im no fan of IDS but you’ve got to love how he so screwed the working class through their own ignorance considering the majority are either part time of self employed so hopefully as their now waking up to this valuable lesson that they will in future think very carefully first before siding with anyone as I bet they wished they had with the unemployed, the sick, the injured and young.

      gaia

      June 22, 2014 at 3:47 am

  15. For the record I shouldn’t have put I quote “the majority are either part time or self employed” as that’s not correct but be assured its figure is not to distant from being half the UKs workforce as records get broken everyday now on the figures of part time, temp, self employment and zero hour contract increases.

    gaia

    June 22, 2014 at 4:07 am

  16. Proof, if needed, of what Universal Credit is really about.

    ‘The single most important thing are the in-work allowances in universal credit. At the moment, the adviser stops seeing you the moment you get into work because you just go into the tax credit system,’ Mr Duncan Smith said. ‘Now the adviser will stay with you until you break free of the benefits system altogether. We will be introducing in-work conditionality. There will be a certain point where somebody who has been doing part-time work, we can say “we think in your circumstances you could do at least another five hours a week, let’s find that”.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2663066/Firms-wont-need-hire-foreign-workers-claims-IDS-Benefits-reforms-make-time-jobs-attractive.html#ixzz35ORraQzw
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    Blackpool Lad

    June 22, 2014 at 6:20 pm

    • Iain Duncan Smith: a reputation beyond accountability?

      http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/20540

      EVER WONDERED HOW IDS GOT THE JOB, WHERE HE GOT HIS SO CALLED LOGIC FROM, THEN PLEASE ENJOY THIS INFORMATIVE LINK

      gaia

      June 22, 2014 at 10:44 pm

      • IDS doesn’t see the link between lack of money and poverty. Poverty is obviously your own fault, nothing to do with the fact that Rich bastards like him have all the wealth and are doing everything in their power to keep it.

        Landless Peasant

        June 23, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    • I hope these new rules have a serious impact on part-time JCP staff and other trade union members. Then they’ll wake up and smell the coffee.

      jj joop

      June 23, 2014 at 7:00 am

  17. DWP refuses to disclose universal credit alternative payment figures

    http://www.24dash.com/news/universal_credit/2014-06-03-DWP-refuses-to-disclose-universal-credit-alternative-payment-figures

    Have you noticed how every time IDS and Ester speak that its always the same tired attempts and that with every fact finding mission that leads to discredit them that this patter just gets smaller and smaller?

    LATEST STATISTICS

    ISIS’s rollout time scale is 7000% plus god knows how many more zeros to add faster than IDSs universal credit rollout despite starting only recently and has todate been so far around 92% successful.

    Do you know theirs a 1 in 2 chance IDS will be the next CEO of GM motors?

    gaia

    June 22, 2014 at 11:37 pm

    • They always say that the report or figures being quoted are out of date, and they’re right, as we find out later that things are even worse!

      Another Fine Mess

      June 23, 2014 at 12:17 am

    • In Warrington, 92% of those on UC are in rent arrears, maybe the 8% who arn’t are simply living with parents and not paying rent.

      Another Fine Mess

      June 23, 2014 at 12:25 am

  18. You politicians are pathetic and wouldn’t understand poverty even if you tried cause you all grew up with silver spoons in your pathetic narcissistic mouths. A compassionate government and a fair go and true blue mate and lucky country?? Yeh right look in the mirror fatcats and start cutting your own fat saleries and fuck this money you get when you all retire that’s scrapped also you greedy pathetic psychos.. Human nature is kindness and all this government has is greed and poverty people as it’s target disgraceful and absolutely wicked..

    Angela Crawford

    June 23, 2014 at 4:05 pm


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