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Ipswich Labour Party (and Borough Council) Against Workfare.

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fwd from
John Cook
Secretary/Agent
Ipswich Labour Party
www.ipswich-labour.org.uk

Ipswich Borough Council will not take part in Government unpaid work schemes

Ipswich Borough Council has confirmed that it will not offer unpaid work under the Government’s ‘Help to Work’ schemes, ramped up versions of which came into force at the end of April.

Under the schemes, known as ‘workfare’, there are mandatory work activity and community work programmes in which benefit claimants are placed on 30-hour a week jobs without pay and with the threat of their benefits being removed. The mandatory work activity programme is for 4 weeks and community work placements for 6 months.

It has also emerged recently that there could be sanctions for those who refuse to take a job on a zero-hours contract.

Campaigners have been calling for the government to remove the schemes, which they say are not working and which lock people deeper into poverty.

Today Ipswich Council has stated it will not be participating.

Council Leader David Ellesmere said:

“As a council we aim to be a good employer. That’s why we pay our staff the Living Wage and why we don’t employ staff on zero hours contracts.

It’s right that if someone can work, then they should. But they should also be paid a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s work.

The effect of the Government’s unpaid work schemes will just be to undercut the wages of people already in work, adding to the cost of living crisis already affecting families in Ipswich.”

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Comment: This is a good reason why we like Ipswich Labour Party.

Liverpool, Ipswich, follow the lead!

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  1. This is my all-time favourite song:

    Andrew Coates

    May 13, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    • … which ‘influenced’ this… 🙂 or was it the other way round lol 🙂

      Tom Petty

      May 14, 2014 at 6:09 am

      • 😯 I am surprised this French guy didn’t sue ‘The Ugliset Man in Rock’ for plagiarism 😀

        Cloth Ears

        May 15, 2014 at 9:43 am

  2. I start my MWA on Monday,a Charity shop..First problem Bus Fare,after a rather confusing game of tag with 3 WP Providers(The usual suspects) I was informed that they will reimburse me at some time during the placement for Bus Fare,cheapest means possible,sorry I can’t afford it,I compared it to having supply Bullets for my own execution,they will make an exception and deposit the funds Friday,but if they do not appear I am still expected to show up(?) I was also informed that I must show up “Business casual” sorry.rigger boots,jeans and a T-shirt,those are my Work clothes…I received my schedule,it includes an Hour for lunch,will it be provided?..No? Will a lunch area be available? No….The lad informed me that as an employee they expect certain standards to be kept,I reminded him that I am not an Employee,Volunteer or Worker,I have been Forced/Mandated under duress to participate or face Sanctions…..You cannot discuss this with your new (Don’t Bloody say Employer!) ah your,the,you know where you have to report to you can’t discuss our arrangements with them…Why? Are they aware of the Fee you get paid? How much is it per week? That is Confidential,you are not allowed to discuss that subject! Roll on Monday,I will be polite,but not silenced!

    jray

    May 13, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    • If you can’t afford the travel costs of getting to and from the placement then your WP provider should issue you with a travel warrent before you begin your MWA. You really should write all this down and email it to your WP provider, your local Jobcentre Plus and your MP. That way if they try and sanction you for non-attendance, you will at least have something to throw back at them.

      jj joop

      May 13, 2014 at 6:19 pm

    • I agree with jjloop about keeping a record of the crap you are enduring jray. It’s good insurance.

      I don’t know that there’s anything in law to stop you calmly talking to any employee of the placement or the provider of the MWA placement about anything at all. You aren’t an employee, ergo you have no contract of employment, which is where such oppressive garbage as “thou shalt not speak to….” is generally found (and even then it can be dodgy legally)

      Send your records of it all, to the JC+ manager, the local manager AND the CEO of the WPP (pimp) and your MP, if they threaten you with a sanction, you have got in first with a record of their unreasonable behaviour.

      Then you are free to tell them everything jray, make sure they know what they are involved in, the pimp won’t have told them the truth, hence the paranoia and demands.

      This only applies if they stump up for your travel first of course!

      Lucy

      May 14, 2014 at 7:47 am

      • Thanks for the replies,I personally have no problem working for a Charity,it is the mandated aspect rather than being asked that puts me off. Early on in the WP, I asked if I could Volunteer at a Community Trust that had great prospects of turning into a paid position,the answer was no..a lot of BS excuses were tossed around and in the end it turned out that they were unaware how to go about it,after the WP a lot of rhetoric about PWSP,Training,Tailored Support,MIR..I have just received my 6th request for Training returned by the JCP+ Manager”,funds are available but not for this type of Training” I have asked what type of Training will you fund? “We have no set list of Training we will fund,you must submit a request and it will be looked at on a case by case basis” In my opinion they are Bloody clueless. MWA is mandated as a punitive action,a letter of reference saying that I am qualified to sort used clothing will not enhance my CV ,only enrich the Provider…..And at the end of the Day…Is that not the real goal?

        jray

        May 14, 2014 at 11:26 am

    • Jray

      A while ago here we all covered the 90 min travel rule (theirs actually no enforceable law to walking to work fair distances) but as your time is pressing I will cover it again.

      First off the rule is irrespective of method be it bus or leg power.

      Now the speed at which a person walks depends on various factors (ie, leg length, etc) but generally you will find men walk on average at a rate of 3.5 MPH and women 3 MPH

      So if one was to walk at a rate of 3.5 MPH, this would imply that the this individual would cover a distance of 5.25 miles in 90 minutes.

      Now the 90 min rule is not set to how the crow flys so every twist and turn, every hill, every person you have to stop for to let pass matters.

      Also what matters is ones health as even though you will fly an ATOS survey (meaning you don’t qualify for ESA but do JSA assuming your not already on ESA) Its totally not uncommon to have a bad leg incident meaning your walking pace will lower and may at certain periods of the journey REQUIRE timely stops for respite. Another common occurrence is unfit people getting stiches while walking.

      Now im not mentioning this to spoil what your doing if thats how it appears but feel I should make you aware of it incase DWP and your provider drops it into the hat.

      Lastly and hopefully effectual is that you the claimant are responsible for the first £4 of the travel costs. (PDF reader required to open link)

      http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/pg-part-4-section-2.pdf

      Now where I am currently it costs £1.50 (this is the cheapest fair) to get to town. So logically after my first day on a placement I have already spent £3 meaning I only have £1 for a £1.50 journey the next day. As we know bus drivers cant dictate fares so will not let you travel without first paying the full fair.

      Also neither provider or DWP can dictate what type of ticket you buy but considering the above you cannot in all realism be expected to fund a weekly ticket.

      So providing the distance cant be reasonably covered on foot, here are your grounds to argue your case to getting a next day reimbursement and quash any notion of a sanction.

      Im not telling you to do this, that choice is yours, im merely relaying certain facts.

      gaia

      May 14, 2014 at 10:20 am

      • Just received a call regarding travel expenses to my MWA placement “Sorry due to an admin error we are unable to fund your travel at this time,we will look into next Week” How bloody hopeless are these “Experts” I asked what should I do? “You must show up or face Sanctions” Called the number on the notice and it just makes my phone go blank,googled the main number it was answered 1533 hours “Sorry they have left for the Weekend” Screw it called the main office,same thing,called JSA+ they are not happy (sic) I went through the WP with these £rseholes and am still chasing travel expenses.

        jray

        May 16, 2014 at 3:15 pm

      • Look jray, in an ideal world these services would look out for you but this isn’t one is it.

        Now im sure your no fool so don’t take this the wrong way but usually when people elect not to tell you things or draw things out its because their usually hiding something.

        Now no one can make you, but maybe its times you schooled yourself on knowing whats what rather than placing trust in people who besides a meal ticket, don’t even see you standing before them ?

        gaia

        May 17, 2014 at 3:35 pm

      • Jray:

        I have been on an 4 week MWA, they have to supply you with a bus ticket with the letter you get from the Provider for the first day of your placement and the placement provider has to supply you with a full week bus pass for the following week so you can get there.

        And so on until your 4 week MWA is finish, if they don’t or try to get out of paying your bus fare voucher, then go see your adviser at the JCP who first made the referral.

        The Provider haS JUST BROKEN THE LAW!

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        May 17, 2014 at 4:55 pm

      • Jray:

        The parasitial provider gets £600 for you attending your 4 week MWA and they say they can’t give you a bus pass? They have to by DWP rules and regs. – also they are obligated by law (under the heath and safety rules) to supply metal toecapped boots and anything else you need to do the placement you are on safetly.

        Whilst on an MWA you have to by law be treated as an official employee, and you have full rights as another employee if you get injured whilst working there.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        May 17, 2014 at 5:07 pm

      • Helpful bit their obi wan, any chance you could give jray a link to a official document that stresses your very point ?

        Failing this if as you say jray, that this provider has quite a long standing debt with your self and you can prove it, that will be more than enough to prevent any sanction as effectively it implies that as a result of said debt your benefit is now spent first paying back debts (borrowed money off friends and family)that have spiralled week after week their after.

        If this is to be the route its going to be an exercise in means testing if you know what that is jray. Incase you don’t simply tot up your expensive to justify having no funds for any travel even if local. Make sure it only covers essentials

        Food, electric, gas, water, any money you put towards rent, community tax, any court fines, loan payments, Insurance such as contents insurance or building insurance. As long as they are related to living expenses its considered an essential.

        Make sure any submission MUST BE verifiable just like they would if you were doing your end of year taxes.

        gaia

        May 17, 2014 at 5:19 pm

      • They have a new set of guidelines for MWA and all travel is covered with the exception of the Bi-weekly aspect to sign on,funnily enough my placement is 2 minutes away from the JCP+….I received a call late Friday afternoon “Sorry we had an admin error and funds are not available until sometime next week,but you must still show up after that I requested that they E-mail me(paper trail) and one of the statements was very inaccurate ” JSA is to be used specifically to cover travel expenses” and “If you need help with funding you need to take it up with JCP+” I contacted JCP “While attached to the MWA the Provider is responsible for all travel costs,you are not eligible for any funding from JCP” this also includes travel to interviews and PPE…On a side note I received a letter for induction on the 8th of May It was posted at 7:57 pm on the 5th and directed me to call on the 6th,even more bizarre the number that I called does not work…A formal complaint is in the works!

        jray

        May 18, 2014 at 4:22 pm

      • Well day 1 of MWA,arrived at the Charity,very small shop,but very nice people,there were 6 of us and very little to do. The rep from the Provider showed up,run of the mill spiv,should be selling used cars,we listened to the Company line and were asked if we had any questions,I brought up travel expenses,he had a minor fit and said that he has addressed this already “You will be paid in arrears,we do not have to give you advance travel,you need to pay for first Weeks travel and we will try to get it into your Bank the following Week” So we have to pay for 2 Weeks before we are repaid for the first Week? “As I told you last Week your JSA is given to you and is to be used specifically for travel and interview expenses,the clue is in the name JSA” The Manager of the Charity was surprised at the attachment fee,the rep said it barely covers their out of pocket expenses(pull the other one)

        jray

        May 19, 2014 at 7:02 pm

      • This a real problem. Travel even in places like Ipswich is expensive.

        £1.80 each way, five days a week.

        That’s a hefty chunk out your JSA.

        Andrew Coates

        May 20, 2014 at 10:27 am

      • I have been informed that walking up to 6 Miles each way to MWA would be considered acceptable under the 90 minute rule,the JCP also backs this and are debating using this if you are assigned daily signing,I stated that if this is the case relating to MWA would they not have to do a safety assessment of the route on a case by case basis? They were unsure.

        jray

        May 23, 2014 at 7:56 am

      • I have been told that is the Actual Travel time not the waiting for bus or train or walk to station / stop 90 minutes by train or bus. not the walking time. In response to Jray this would inculde walking to woodbridge or felixstowe and stowmarket

        JAMESMIDDLESEX

        May 29, 2014 at 10:17 am

      • The suggestion to walk up to 6 Miles? No problem,but as it involves walking down steep banks,along side a canal and a “scary” tunnel..Not to mention some very busy intersections,will you be conducting a risk assessment? No reply.

        jray

        May 29, 2014 at 2:04 pm

  3. Reblogged this on sdbast.

    sdbast

    May 13, 2014 at 4:04 pm

  4. ‘Stitching-up claimants is all part of the job, says Jobcentre insider’:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/stitching-up-claimants-part-job-says-3537051

    Not, I suspect, that this will make a shred of difference to Duncan Smith, McVey, or Couling.

    In other news:

    ‘British judges said Justice Secretary Chris Grayling is not allowed to intervene in an appeal against the decision to throw out the Operation Cotton trial after it was claimed that the government’s legal aid cuts meant there could not be a fair trial.’

    Grayling and his MoJ panicking. Back-of-a-fag-packet politics.

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/operation-cotton-chris-grayling-not-allowed-present-valuable-material-fca-appeal-1448474

    JBS

    May 14, 2014 at 10:46 am

  5. Well that’s a start, but now we need Miliband to promise to abolish the cruel, vindictive, punitive, and illegal, Benefit Sanctions that Labour introduced (i.e. the main reason I WON’T be voting Labour).

    Landless Peasant

    May 14, 2014 at 11:51 am

    • Worth mentioning here landless peasant is its a safe bet now UKIP wont get in, neither will the Liberals so it only leaves the usual suspects.

      Neither Conservative or Labour will do anything about sanctions even if they promise it as an election pledge. Both parties believe being punitive is the answer to most things not to mention its easier to setup than actually trying to cure an issue.

      A so called civilised society thinks things out but where as medics aspire to cure cancer the same cant be said for the rest of societal issues such as crime, poverty, etc.

      The punitive approach is adopted purely for its effects on the majority (ie the fear of going to prison) so we see an issue being minimised rather than addressed. Now that’s all fine and dandy in good times but as you have witnessed in the east and now Europe it has zero effect in a faltering structure. Crime is not one born out of pleasure, its born out of circumstance regardless of justification, which is proved by the centuries of global torture and executions that even today in the likes of the states hasn’t prevented such acts being committed, even guantanamo bay and hundreds of thousands of soldiers let alone billions upon billions of cash has failed to stem the tide of so called terrorism.

      Demonising those in poverty was I feel a natural progression in times of strife as its a scape goat to mask the one and only thing responsible for the globes financial ills, the one thing that the majority cling to for fear of becoming the very minority they use as an excuse and that is capitalism which pardon the explanation is nothing more than the bad and corrupt side of communism.

      What the public need to do is insist on A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE being put on the ballot sheet as the only way to get a politician to act in the interests of the people rather than business is to make them sweat for the job while demonstrating to businesses and the rich that lobbied money cant control everything.

      gaia

      May 15, 2014 at 6:52 am

  6. EVER WONDERED why your made to attend or promised interviews with no guarantee whats so ever of employment ?

    WELL, its because if this employer mentions anything about a job at the end of a rainbow, it instantly becomes under legal definition RENUMERATION which inturn instantly makes you the claimant an EMPLOYEE, meaning it activates a certain condition under employment law which is you MUST BE PAID a minimum wage.

    gaia

    May 15, 2014 at 7:01 am

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    Max Clifford

    May 15, 2014 at 10:11 am

    • Who are these jokers, max Clifford, really ?

      gaia

      May 17, 2014 at 5:21 pm

  8. I recieved a job notification by email this morning. It’s from cv library and advertising for a slave labour pimp 🙂

    Business Development
    Advisor/Employer Engagement Officer- Welfare to Work

    Location: Field Based covering West Midlands

    We are currently supporting one of the UK’s most reputable Training Providers
    Due to growth, we are currently looking for an experienced Business Development Advisor/Employer Engagement Officer from within the Training Sector.
    The salary will be up to £24000 basic salary, Car Alllowance of £3300 per annum or Company Car, business mileage, 22 days holiday, pension scheme, and an immediate start is available.
    The Business Development Advisor/Employer Engagement Officer will be Field Based and will be responsible for indenting business opportunities throughout Yorkshire and managing relationships with employers .
    This training provider is currently working in partnership with SME’s and national clients throughout the UK. Our client offer an extensive range of training programmes from bespoke training from apprenticeships to welfare to work schemes. The currently employs over 1500 employees throughout the UK.
    The Business Development Advisor/Employer Engagement Officer will be responsible for the following
    ” Management and growth of existing local and national employer relationships as evidenced by achievement of work experience placements target

    ” Development of new local employer relationships

    ” Building a regional key stakeholder relationship map

    ” Responsible for delivery of a specified number of work experience placements on a monthly basis –
    In line with pre-determined qualifying criteria as set out by the Head of Engagement

    ” Working collaboratively and on a daily basis with the Candidate Engagement Team (CET)to support new business development and achieve the National Starts Target

    Setting and reviewing of placement targets regionally, by Employer

    ” Designing bespoke recruitment solutions for employers to enhance traineeship offer

    ” Accountable for the ‘on boarding’ of a new placement into the operational delivery teams including the CET and the Training Delivery Team as well as the Candidate Experience Team

    ” Day to day diary planning and management to support and ensure relevant engagement events

    Skills and Experience Required for the Business Development Advisor/Employer Engagement Officer
    – Previous Experience of Business Development within the Welfare to Work Sector
    – Experience within Employer Engagement would be highly desirable
    – Target and Quality Focused, with a proven track record in exceeding sales targets
    – A Good geographical knowledge of the UK
    – Excellent Prioritisation Skills
    – Own Transport and Full UK Driving License
    Position are available now, for further information please contact Simon Atkins on 0191 2557900.

    ———————————
    Pertemps is an Equal Opportunities Employer
    Job Type
    Permanent
    Start Date
    ASAP
    Contract Length
    Permanent
    Contact Name
    simon atkins
    Telephone
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    Job Reference
    067106853
    Job ID
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    Chris

    May 15, 2014 at 10:35 am

  9. Has anyone heard of this document and it is it mandatory to fill it in?

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/208741/response/517143/attach/3/My%20Work%20Plan%2004%2014.pdf

    jj joop

    May 15, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    • I wouldn’t touch this crock of shit with a barge-pole never mind sign the fucking thing.

      Too much wrong with this sinister sanction-trap document of a document to mention but the shifting of the goalposts from “3 steps” to be considered as actively seeking work is of major significance. Besides, it being IMPOSSIBLE to do all you reasonably could be expected to find work in any one week. There is always something else you could have done, something you had overlooked. It is a “catch-all” sanction-trap!

      Venus the Jobseeker Fly Sanction Trap

      May 15, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    • I’ve got one, never filled it in never been asked 4 it.

      Another Fine Mess

      May 15, 2014 at 11:03 pm

    • Looks like they have combined the JSA agreement with a jobsearch evidence sheet for this UC stuff.

      That being the case NO you don’t have to sign however you would still have to supply evidence of jobsearch BUT as usual they cant dictate the medium so you can put it on a bog roll if you want to sir.

      gaia

      May 17, 2014 at 5:25 pm

  10. Help to Work package (for JSA claimants whose Work Programme Completer Interview is on
    or after 28 April 2014)

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/201658/response/517413/attach/3/HtW%20guidance%20v1%204%202014%2004%2024.pdf

    jj joop

    May 15, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    • They’ll have a job on interviewing me, I finished the Work Programme in July 2013 and finished the 6 month PWPS in January 2014.

      Since then I’ve been signing on as normal every fortnight.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      May 16, 2014 at 8:48 am

  11. It would appear that for the time being, at least, that those of us who completed the WP before 28 April 2014 will be spared from doing Help To Work. Although I suspect it’s only a temporary reprieve.

    jj joop

    May 15, 2014 at 6:07 pm

    • Their the ones who are currently experiencing the so called “post work programme support”. This is a front is for bullying/intimidation and antagonistic behavior.trying to pick holes in peoples jobseeking.when this doesn’t work they become red faced and extremely agitated when confronted by their lies.

      The real causes are bad governance and an underperforming economy,the brief is to target claiments unlawfully with any tripe they can and intimidate into a sanction.

      The Dwp and jobcentre plus are broken.it cannot be claimed they are there to assist people. only to do the complete opposite.

      ken

      May 16, 2014 at 5:19 am

  12. This is exactly the kind of behaviour I am experiencing from my so-called Work Coach. I have now advised her I am now reording all my interviews with her, which I do. She doesn’t like it but it certainly keeps her on her toes. She has to be very careful what she says to me now, i.e. no more lying. I advised her that I also have a copy of the UJ Toolkit and that I also have What Do They Know, IUE, Refuted, Boycott Workfare and The Void bookmarked for my daily delectation.

    DWP Jobcentre Plus are not there to help people. They exist solely to drive people of benefits, full stop.

    jj joop

    May 16, 2014 at 6:17 am

  13. BBC’s Question Time is fastly becoming a fucking joke.

    They had employment minister Esther McVile on last night and she didn’t get asked one single question regarding benefits or any of the pathetic schemes the DWP are running.

    What the hell do the BBC think they are playing at?

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    May 16, 2014 at 8:42 am

    • ”Allegedly” Too Scared Of Losing The Licence Fee At The Next BBC Charter Review ?
      Allegedly.

      London

      May 16, 2014 at 8:52 am

    • Obi:

      Once upon a time I used to watch Question Time from start to finish every week. Instead, I switched over at 11 and watched Kiefer Sutherland in Mirrors on Film4. Listening to McVile was like listening to a pre-recorded message on a permanent loop. She was just too boring and repetitive to be even mildy annoying.

      jj joop

      May 16, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    • If Question Time changed anything it would be taken off air… 😉

      No Longer Watching Question Time

      May 17, 2014 at 12:54 am

  14. All you need to know about who is eligible for the Help to Work Programme (or package) in two paragraph’s.

    From: DWP DWP PMU.Fol

    Department for Work and Pensions

    Version 1.4; published 24 April 2014.

    Help to Work package (for JSA claimants whose Work Programme Completer Interview is on or after 28 April 2014)

    2. The HtW package of support applies to Jobseekers Allowance (JSA) claimants whose Work Programme Completer Interview (WPCI) is on or after 28 April 2014.

    3. Where the WPCI date is prior to 28 April 2014, the previous JSA Post Work Programme Support (PWPS) guidance must be followed.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/201658/response/517413/attach/html/3/HtW%20guidance%20v1%204%202014%2004%2024.pdf.html

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    May 16, 2014 at 11:08 am

    • Basically what this means is if you finished your 2 year Work Programme (WP) and have also finished your 6 month Post Work Programme Support (PWPS), then your not eligible for the new Help to Work Programme (HtW).

      YIPPEE!

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      May 16, 2014 at 11:53 am

      • I’ll second that, Obi. YIPPEE! This is the best news I’ve had in a long time. But let’s not forget about the poor buggers who are going to have to do HtW. May God have mercy on them.

        jj joop

        May 16, 2014 at 12:16 pm

      • JJ Joop:

        Forgot to say that we are still eligible for the 4 week MWA’s at the JCP’s discretion.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        May 16, 2014 at 2:10 pm

      • Well it’s certainly better than doing 26 weeks in a row.

        jj joop

        May 16, 2014 at 4:23 pm

  15. i went to get my letter about the mwa and its a place called tbg learning ltd and just say i will be receiving a letter soon about my placement. no office located here yet tho.

    was told there was only 2 places at my jcp and i had one of them so asked again if i was being placed here to get recent work experience and was told yes.

    pointed out under part 23 that mwa cant be used as a way to gane recent work experience and that i had just finished a back to work coarse last week that they sent me on and just said i have to do it end of and can appeal if i think the decision is wrong. so said it was and id rather sign on for 4 weeks anyway,never liked that lol

    said ok fine ill turn up and take part but will not sign any contract with them or any employer as im mandated to do it under sanction and do not have to sign a contract with any 3rd party or employer under uk law.

    started going on if you dont take part bla bla bla and said i will take part i will turn up and will not sign any contract as i dont have to as i am sent here under threat of sanction that’s it.

    said i cant deal with this and ended the interview and got up and left looked at my app card and just have to sign for the next 2 months or get the letter for the above.

    ill post the company when i find out who they are and get my slave tshirt made up 😉

    cant afford lunch so ill beg for food out side the placement with my bowl as i cant live of dust and rain warter

    super ted

    May 16, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    • Super Ted:

      By back to work course i assume you mean a 2 or 3 week employability/work skills course (i.e. interview techniques, cv writing, and so on).

      If that’s the case then yes they can put you on a 4 week MWA.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      May 16, 2014 at 2:05 pm

  16. it was a 6 week job search help thing but only went 1 time and never went again.

    super ted

    May 16, 2014 at 5:25 pm

  17. In case anyone has forgotten about zero-hours contracts, here is an interesting story featuring an incredible level of hypocrisy of MPs:

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/revealed-mps-hire-151-people-3549109

    Tobanem

    May 17, 2014 at 8:52 am

  18. “6 month Post Work Programme Support (PWPS), then your not eligible for the new Help to Work Programme (HtW)”.

    “Post work programme support” has been extended here.presumably more bullying is needed particularly for the disabled.hardly a day goes by without ian duncan smith in the headlines,this time.

    Iain Duncan Smith used false statistics to justify disability benefit cuts

    http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/05/16/iain-duncan-smith-used-false-statistics-to-justify-disabilit

    ken

    May 17, 2014 at 10:01 am

    • Help to Work will only be applicable for those people whose Work Programme Completer Interview (WPCI) is on or after
      28 April 2014.

      Samwise Gamgee

      May 17, 2014 at 11:25 am

  19. Does any one know exactly how long PWPS is supposed to last?

    I’ve been on it since mid-October 2013. I’ve just been assigned a new PWPS adviser/work coach who I’m suposed to see every week. But at the moment, I only see her once a fortnight on my signing day because she has quite a caseload, apparently. What exactly is the point of PWPS, anyway? For the record, my work coach is a right old bag who seems to enjoy making my life as difficult as she possibly can.

    jj joop

    May 17, 2014 at 10:16 am

    • JJ Joop:

      The original PWPS as stated by the then Employment Minister (Mark Hoban) was only to last for 6 months, then the DWP extended the PWPS for WP returners after a certain date ( I believe the exention only applied to WP returners after November 2013)

      I started my PWPS in July 2013 so I’m not under the same rules as the WP returners after November 2013, I’m under the original rules so now I just sign on as normal.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      May 17, 2014 at 12:15 pm

      • I started my PWPS in July 2013 too but I still have interviews with a PWPS advisor, although only once a month at most.

        During the interview before last she put BUA (business as usual) on my file on the LMS (I think it’s the LMS) but I still see her. Should I complain to the JCP about having to still see an advisor after my PWPS has supposedly ended?

        Samwise Gamgee

        May 17, 2014 at 12:39 pm

      • Samwise Gamgee:

        Your PWPS should only have lasted 6 months after that you should be put back on normal fortnightly signing on, with a new JSA agreement and a new signing on booklet that states you are now on something called 25+ Q2.

        It’s basically back to normal signing on with any support you request or need, the JCP also makes you aware of anything that could be of help to you, also the JVCP can talk to you about going on an MWA, that’s about it.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        May 17, 2014 at 1:36 pm

      • Obi:

        Thanks for that info. I finished the WP on or about the 14/15 October 2013. By my reckconing then, it’s been about 31 weeks since I finished with pimp-Seetec.

        I’ve just found this FOI reply. PWPS will continue for an unsecified period for anyone who was put on PWPS after 25/11/2013.

        https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/208315/response/510281/attach/html/3/WDTK%20Response%201977%20and%201978%20Lau.pdf.html

        https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/208315/response/510281/attach/html/4/PWPS%20Guidance%20for%201977%20and%201978.pdf.html

        jj joop

        May 17, 2014 at 2:55 pm

      • JJ Joop:

        That sounds about right, Cool your on the same rules and regs I am, no Htw and no more PWPS, nice one mate, sign on as normal init!

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        May 17, 2014 at 3:07 pm

      • I finished in july 13 but still got it extended,probably because there’s barriers to work and targeted for the time unemployed.

        ken

        May 18, 2014 at 4:29 am

      • I’ll have to speak to my adviser this week to find out what I’m actually on. No one has ever formally told me that I’ve finished PWPS. I know the adviser wants to see me every week but she can’t at the moment because she has quite a backlog of clients to see.

        jj joop

        May 18, 2014 at 2:03 pm

  20. Now if everyone is sitting comfortably I’ll begin:

    When Labour were last in government we had one main scheme – it was called ‘New Deal’ a fuck up in itself but nothing compared to the incompetent schemes what we have now.

    Then along comes the unelected coalition government in 2010 and IDS brings his disgusting plan for the unemployed and disabled into play that was planned well in advance.

    The first of these was called the Work Programme – IDS’s holy grail to get people back into work – a supposed payments by results initative (bollocks, at £400 per referral even the smallest of Private Providers cleared in excess of £8 million pounds each – the larger Providers cleared triple that amount in the first year)

    Result = 96.4% Failure rate, and that was just in the first year.

    I’m not even going to mention all the other pathetic initatives connected with the Work Programme such as 3rd party providers as they were worse than the ‘Primes’ and all the so-called help for the under and over 25’s that never worked for anyone and still don’t.

    Lest we don’t forget the incredibly useless 4 week MWA, a short term course to get people work experience (with the middle man, you guessed it a Prime Provider getting a referral fee of £600 per person referred) with no pay for the person referred – i.e Slave Labour.

    I’m not classed as disabled so in the interests of not upsetting anyone who is all I can say regarding disabled claimants is that what the DWP are doing to you is a crime against humanity.

    Now as I understand things there has been a report in one of the Fleet Street newspapers that IDS is now ‘Annoyed’ that his own idea and scheme ‘The Work Programme’ has and continues to fail so miserabley that he has now decided to punish the unemployed and disabled that have completed his fucked up scheme even more for ‘HIS OWN STUPID IDEA’, how the hell is this our fault?

    The new disipline for the failure of the Work Programme Provider’s (a legal contract between the DWP and Primes) is another IDS fuck up just waiting to happen – it’s called the ‘Help to Work’ programme, (HtW) another slave labour embarassment not only for the government but for the firms taking people, and believe me the firms or charities involved will be publicly taken to task and shamed.

    Now i can clearly see the problem here as I’m sure everyone else in Great Britain can (employed or not) – it’s that chucking money at Private Provider’s doesn’t work, you see Private Providers are only in this game for PROFIT,NOT TO HELP PEOPLE BACK INTO WORK.

    IDS and McVey – start investing the £billions your wasting on the stupid schemes and start investing in small to medium firms – ask them to take people on at the national minimum wage and pay it for the people taken on for the first 6 months.

    Thank for reading my rant, this is the reality of being on benefits in 2014.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    May 17, 2014 at 1:30 pm

  21. DWP ARENT THE ONLY GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT REDUCING YOUR CHANCES OF FINDING PAID WORK

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27435417

    gaia

    May 17, 2014 at 5:27 pm

  22. God angry at gay marriage

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27443897

    Trust me, your like this one ?

    gaia

    May 17, 2014 at 5:29 pm

  23. gaia

    May 17, 2014 at 5:37 pm

  24. Gaia:

    Don’t get annoyed, get even. There are ways!

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    May 17, 2014 at 5:47 pm

    • Im void of emotions these days but even if I was obi wan I wouldn’t bother as todate ive never been successfully sanctioned, never lost a decision makers verdict, still don’t have UJM account, and generally overall its been my way all the way while claiming even when providers get involved.

      I wish to say however IF a scheme would actually benefit me, I would be the first to put my hand up but as you know all the schemes todate are just tired re-churned tried and failed ideas.

      gaia

      May 17, 2014 at 6:52 pm

      • Gaia:

        I have donr the bit to requie the mandate however I keep telling the JCP advisers that if they want access to my account they will have to wait until parliament makes legislation that requies us on JSA legally to give it.

        I also tell the advisers that to make that happen the DWP will have to get around section 8 of the Data Protection Act.

        It’s funny watching them squirm on their seats after that.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        May 17, 2014 at 7:08 pm

      • i set up a ujm account as mandated to took some pics of the account then deleted it as i refuse to use it to find work as there are too many dodgy adds and links and there not liable for loss of my personnel info located on a server on the other side of the world so fuck that.

        i refuse to give them permission to see my account as i no longer have 1 nor do i use it to look for work as all the others are way better anyway.

        was told i have to use ujm to job search so said can i have that in righting then and said we can issue a jsd to use it and said yes i had one of those already and complied to it showing pics of my account and cv that was set-up.

        it does not say i have to use ujm and that site only so can i have that answer in righting answer was no lol

        next was we want a copy of my cv to keep on record ans told them i created a cv on ujm as mandated by my jsd and it does not say you have to right to hold a cpy of my paper cv only that i show you a copy that’s it.

        was told i was being unreasonable and that it might get sent to a decision maker if i dont provide them with a copy of my cv and said fine go for it then right now.

        i been on jsa over 10 years and went to every provider going and at most you get a pc to job search on no recognised quals are offered or provided to any customers and that what is on offer i can get for free at my local collage.

        or do you want me to put on a cv i spent 6 months filling in a colouring in book and not to complete it to fast as we had 1 each for the entire time of that placement?

        walking round the local town smoking fags as the provider did not care what we done just we show up sign the book n fuck off.

        look for hidden jobs that did not ever exist under tables and chairs as the provider thought it would motivate the stock
        in a pathetic attempt to show they were helping ppl find work yet when i asked them for help to find work was told thats my job nothing to do with them.

        sit in group meetings listening to some fkn retard talk total bollocks for half a day then wonder why all of the stock is pissed off and get chat back and dont like it becouse we live in the real world not some make believe 1 in a universe far far away full of shit.

        fill in stupid basic maths and English questionnaires that at most will receive a nice bright bit of paper or get the wait for it gold stars as well i used mine the best way i could think of and used mine to wipe my ass it was ruff paper so made my ass red raw so they were not even of use to wipe my ass.

        pick up litter of the side of the road under the work force only to find out no employer will take refs from free unpaid labour and that also i was uninsured will doing it so if i was ran over id get jack shit from the provider at the time, also no hi res jackets were provided or steal shoes for protection was told 2 buy my own as the was no budget for when there was cos the ppl out with us running the scam had these items and no lunch was provided either.

        be sent on countless places to help get me a cv done only to be told i cant lie on it and have no work history other than what is made up on the jcp system so no help cold be given and told to leave.

        sent to work programme only to find some fkn crazy bitch demand i sign this that and demand copys of my passport jsa and even wanted my bank card so told them to fuck right of and i dont have to sign anything at which point its fkn head blew off and started screaming at me saying if i dont sign this its against the law so said ring the police then i got all day.

        ordered to leave the building and never returned for hole 2 years went back for my exit report as stated in wp contract and 1 can not be provided as i never went but got 3 sanctions anyway.

        complained to jcp staff and managers and providers and nothing gets done over and over again.

        and now 4 weeks mwa to gain work experience which states cant be used to gain recent we so will point this out to the provider and will put there placement where or who ever it is with all over word press as its state funded slavery and if a job is to be done fair enough pay for it then as it is no benefit to the community paying a private company a fee for a we placement no matter who provides the placement.

        maybe i should give um a cv looks more like a decade of complaints pmsl n thats not even half of it 😉

        super ted

        May 17, 2014 at 8:43 pm

      • super ted:

        Whatever they put you on, don’t sign a damn thing. Ask them if it is a legal requirement for you to sign any documents and can you be sanctioned or have your claim for benefit referred to a decision maker if you refuse to sign, said documents.

        jj joop

        May 18, 2014 at 2:07 pm

  25. It’s Saturday Night – Here’s something to calm you down and maybe have a dance to.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    May 17, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    • Hello, Obi 🙂 *waves* Why have thou forsaken me 😦

      Susanna Reid's Knickers

      May 17, 2014 at 5:59 pm

      • Thoust hast forsaken thee Sluthanna, because thoust thy Goodest Moringst Breakfastus could ust suppliesust With more doshust!

        How wronust thoust wasust – init!

        I forsee thust sackust withinust 6 monthus – causeust nobody is watchingust! – DoHust!

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        May 17, 2014 at 6:31 pm

      • I wished I had been quicker than you obi wan as I would say Who needs yesterdays news susy when the BBC have a Naga

        So who needs a knicker shot when you can have a short skirt and boots and quite a pleasing body to boot ?

        gaia

        May 17, 2014 at 6:45 pm

      • Gaia:

        I’m game. You – Me and Naga – need I say more!

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        May 17, 2014 at 6:56 pm

      • gaia

        May 17, 2014 at 7:04 pm

    • If you’re gonna listen to any videdo’s I post on here – either listen to on headphones at 65% power or on main speakers at at least 25% power.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      May 17, 2014 at 6:41 pm

  26. Reblogged this on Beastrabban’s Weblog and commented:
    This is good news, at least as far as the Labour party in Ipswich, and it’s where the Labour party should be going nationally.

    beastrabban

    May 18, 2014 at 11:35 am

  27. FFS, they’re going to roll this out to the whole of North West England?

    ‘Benefit reforms: One year on, universal credit is not working’

    ‘One man who the CAB worked with was sharing a flat with his brother and recently decided to leave the town after his universal credit didn’t come through. He was supposed to start on the benefit in October but DWP could not work out how to split the rent on a shared tenancy. Then he started working part-time in November in a bar and DWP said they could not verify his payslips. In January, he came to the bureau with rent arrears, having received no money at all. His benefits should have been adjusted because of his part-time work, but instead nothing came.’

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/benefit-reforms-one-year-on-universal-credit-is-not-working-9391283.html

    JBS

    May 18, 2014 at 7:53 pm

  28. jj joop

    it will be the same as the wp contract they can mandate that i show up and thats it no way under uk law can they force me in to entering in to a contract with a 3rd party, not if im going straight to a charity isz it as non are taking part.

    did say it would be customer service job and how they work out that will be of benefit to the community i dont know as it wont so have um on that as well.

    i asked my adviser 3 times it this was to get recent we and was told yes yet it states section 23 mwa cant be used to gain recent we so its a load of shit.

    i bet i turn up at the provider tell them the above and get sent home as i dont think they have told the provider i am high risk due to a massive criminal record and been band from the local jcp and have to go in to the main town 1 now and am taking 2-5000mg of pain killers a day atm.

    they still want me to do my js and apply for jobs yet how can this be done if im working 8 hrs a day and only available for interviews at weekends and have to give the jcp and the provider notice if i do get a interview if i dont show up then get a sanction.

    i cant do a full time course as it more than 16hrs a week and not able to look for work yet i can do 30hrs a week on this shit and they still want me to look for work how the fuck do u work that 1 out???

    super ted

    May 18, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    • Customer service, now that’s funny.

      The most likely skillset you will acquire at this charity shop is primarily recycling followed by a mere dab of retail but customer service is stretching the very term. Think about it, how often will a customer ask does this come in a smaller size or I bought this book yesterday but didn’t realise the words were rather faded ?

      This aside how often have you visited a charity shop and have a member of its staff come up to you like you would in a clothes shop and say “can I help you sir/madam” ?

      The fundamental FLAW in these welfare placement schemes is DIVERSITY.
      Everytime you see it featured on the news or a government pamphlet, you always see a person working in a skilled environment like plumbing and heating yet the stark reality is often its just plain old retail and hospitality. Don’t get me wrong you could get admin and more meaningful trades but by far and large the provider of placements wont have many of these meaning only a small few get something meaningful.

      CAP will damage this further I reckon with more useless trades like litter picking and statue reconditioning, both of which aren’t the most advertised vacancies in any area of the UK.

      gaia

      May 19, 2014 at 10:12 am

      • Gaia, some of them try to ask you for a donation to their Charity.

        As if people using Charity shops (and all the cheap shops you can imagine) are about to bequeath their fortune to them.

        Andrew Coates

        May 19, 2014 at 10:28 am

      • Ahh great, thanks for that Andrew as now we can all add begging to our respective CVs, how impressed my future employer will be, lol.

        gaia

        May 19, 2014 at 1:59 pm

  29. Reblogged this on Vox Political.

    Mike Sivier

    May 18, 2014 at 10:09 pm

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