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Despite being one of workfare’s most ardent supporters, even Salvation Army aren’t prepared to touch the government’s latest mass workfare scheme [Photo: Sinister Pics]

In an important success even before the workfare week of action starts on 29th March, the Salvation Army have said they will play no part in the upcoming Community Work Placement scheme. Last year the charity was praised by the DWP for ‘holding the line’ on workfare. This recent loss of nerve can only be a direct result of repeated action taken to challenge the Salvation Army’s support for forced work.  The inspiring recent direct action from Edinburgh Coalition Against Poverty, widespread public criticism and constantpressure online has shown what the public think of charities that claim to help unemployed people and then force them to work for free.

The decision is a major blow for the DWP’s latest plans for mass workfare. Community Work Placements are soon to be inflicted on ten of thousands of people leaving the Work Programme and involve six months’ unpaid full-time work for charities and community organisations.  Those who refuse to carry out forced labour will be punished with poverty, hunger and destitution as benefits are sanctioned. But major charities, such as Oxfam, Shelter and Marie Curie, have very publicly distanced themselves from forced work. A recent Freedom of Information request revealed that the provider guidance for the scheme is not yet ready, suggesting its April start date is somewhat optimistic.

The Salvation Army have long been one of the most vocal supporters of forced work and one of the few organisations that had no scruples about even forcing claimants on sickness and disability benefits to work for free. In a victory for anti-workfare campaigners, it seems that The Salvation Army have decided that a workfare scheme equivalent to twice the maximum community service sentence is too much even for them to stomach. In a statement on their website the organisation says

“We feel that a 26-week work experience placement is too long and would not be beneficial.  If someone has not found employment within two years, the lack of work experience is clearly not their only barrier to employment.  Our concern is that the underlying issues need to be dealt with holistically and work experience is a part of the support needed. As such, we will not be taking part in the Community Work Placement programme.”

More on site (Hat-tip Obi)

We just note that the Workfare Programme is due to be up and running in April.

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Written by Andrew Coates

March 24, 2014 at 2:07 pm

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  1. People are unemployed for 3 months, 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, simply due to the ‘barrier’ of lack of jobs, we’ve proved it often enough.

    Putting 780 hours of Forced Community Work at the top of your CV isn’t going to help much.

    Another Fine Mess

    March 24, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    • look up bluffdale fision centre undr operatiin prism a joint secret program conducted between.usa uk intel agys all of which univ jobmatch unov credits is a part plays a role providing them with.metadata without our knowledge?
      for future domestic population analysis records storages or uses malicous in future as theyre not gathering up all info on us for our health!? its to.coerce or manipulate us at a later stages should they choose to do so?! this is digitalisation of the unemployed masses guilting them into free labor usages as peoples not in a secretive satanic order are merely considered to be fair game pigs to be profited upon!? ive never seen so many agys cos profit from.misery of the unemployed time has come to ban it or overthrow it too manybrits are not aware of the depth of evil behind socia policies yet they still do as they arevtold nothingabout it remember the greek word for government is gubernatio guber = mind
      natio = control

      david huxtable

      March 25, 2014 at 7:46 am

      • Careful their son, your giving what you say grounds to be declared a conspiracy when it fact its far from far fetched.

        What your declaring is data mining, the new currency that all in sundary is upto, including facebook, youtube and the likes let alone UJM.

        Now more than ever its so important NOT TO USE YOUR PERSONAL AND OR SENSITIVE DATA ONLINE EVER.

        It takes literally seconds with todays tech to mine Petabytes upon petabytes data with some like google boasting mining speeds even far in excess of these.

        gaia

        March 25, 2014 at 4:03 pm

      • But we just can’t help handing our data over… and it sure isn’t for the good of our health 🙂

        The Doctor

        March 26, 2014 at 9:46 pm

      • Too right, Gaia, and a lot of people are stupid enough to use their REAL NAME on data-mining crud such as Facebook!

        The Doctor

        March 26, 2014 at 9:48 pm

  2. Obi Wan Kenobi

    March 24, 2014 at 2:59 pm

  3. I haven’t heard anything about this from my advisor that the Jobcentre in Hastings yet. She just signed me on as usual this morning and I am due to see her again on 7/04/14.

    Carl Lawrence

    March 24, 2014 at 4:44 pm

  4. So, provider guidance in relation to the new 6-month Community Work Placements is not yet ready for April. I see.

    Even if “provider guidance” was ready, are the actual placements ready?

    Let’s face it, either there will need to be 6 times as many placements suddenly and magically made available (compared to the 4 week MWA scheme), or the referral rate will slow down by six times.

    This is another fact from the real world which has been overlooked. Let’s hope it destroys this latest vindictive scheme.

    Tobanem

    March 24, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    • Whether there is guidance or not, the poverty pimps will ignore it, just as they are doing with people on JSA and ESA now.

      Lucy

      March 24, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    • G4S and other Providers(of what I don’t have a Bloody clue) are advertising for Monitoring Officers,by the tone of the Community Work Programme they appear to be little more than Guards that are there to enforce and control the conscripts,I tried on the WP to get my own Work Placement and the WP made a dogs dinner of it twice,I have enquired to a few companies lately and the response has been “No,not if those Tossers are running it again” From my understanding,even the Council is not interested,so they are now trying tender to do it with a “New” company,that is quasi owned by the Provider, At £2000 per for 6 Months free labour,there is a lot of room to exploit the unemployed……And still no Training!

      jray

      March 25, 2014 at 5:22 pm

  5. Don’t sign anything. Don’t sign for the letter given to you by JCP referring you to the provider. Don’t sign any of the provider’s paperwork (data protection waivers, action plans [JSAgs] or job logs). Don’t sign a damn thing.

    jj joop

    March 24, 2014 at 8:40 pm

  6. If they are not ready yet (the placements), will this ever go ahead? I still think that this is a stupid idea.

    Carl Lawrence

    March 24, 2014 at 9:09 pm

  7. well i currently am taking dwp jcp ministers to legal task over my workfare experiences on x3differing schemes wherby work experience consisted of fjfs throwing brand new tools down the face of cliffs into the sea chopping down wrong trees burning tool handles so no needs to work planting 7tree saplings in.one hole so as to avoid digging 7seperate holes and lancing new saplings over hedges to.bd burnt.up by the sun? then on the queens pageant paety in the park olympics we were all left stranded for transporth left sleeping lying.on

    david huxtable

    March 25, 2014 at 6:58 am

  8. on cold pavements under a railway bridge in torrential rain in the morning had to await 3hrs for ppe uniform provision breakfast consisted of a box of macdonalds burgers kicked towards us on the ground and no boots shirts equipment.or uniforms
    provided
    as promised ran out of stock halfway through issue then no info as to where we were staying etc overnight no tents erected as promised 2am arrivals at a wet waterlogged essex field where peoles after 2days nites of travel and work unremunerated had to then pitch camp at end of two very tedious tiring days at 2am in darkness sring winds gales rain due to.our employers not doing.as theyd promised arranging camp for us?

    david huxtable

    March 25, 2014 at 7:05 am

  9. i am now taking dwp jcp to court and ice org is currently.investigating matters jcp have clammed up on me as sub judacy as i getvpublic interest lawyers on the case!? ive seen fights break out on govt schemes workers simply.drop tools play football all day long girls riding horses across middle of the pitch etc x3guys get brojen noses from football horses hooves or fights etc all on a supervised by dwp groundworks program of work wherby littlle work was done by.majority.who were getting.psid for it

    david huxtable

    March 25, 2014 at 7:15 am

  10. these social programs are being concocted devised by an etonian ruling elite and are influenced by 26%of govt who are in factscsecret masonic lodge order followers and therefore linked to satanic cults of the illuminati ever wondered why our social policies dont any linger consider us they hope to bring about a slave master economy gather data info on every person in the world like univ jobmatch containing secret tracking software cookies in violatiins of our human.rights eu cookie laws now we have our data being sent off to bluffdale southern utah to a sinkhole costing billions home of nsa cia fbi dhs fema intel agys courtesy of our gchq mi5which is the illuminatimif logo carries a godhead as its symbol

    david huxtable

    March 25, 2014 at 7:22 am

  11. i am now being.monitored by mi5 confirmed by.doing a server backtrace on strange activity surrounding.myand my friends computers etc which was notified to me via facebook google yahoo etc when traced back went to mi5hq at thames house lambeth westminster london i live in the s west!! coastal resort by.merely utiusing univ jobmatch which i dont ive refused revoked my permissions ive faced a 7.5year total ban order from my jobcentre by srcret panel committee who never show themselves incl mel groves cbe try it out for yself and see? as looking for work locally using univ jobmatch can get you onto a fbi no fly or leave the country list as monster org simply bypasses uk data privacy laws by retaining its ip rights to our data irregardless of dwp claaims we are all on a dwp govt secure network only viewed by an oathtaking bt telecom engineer? at their hq i dont believe a word of it deloitte agy is another scam co accountants to the queen owns shares in work program sold 50% off recently mobster inc lost 4.6m persons private personal records everyone on.the list was subjected to criinal activity afterwrds losing fiscally monies or id fraud!?

    david huxtable

    March 25, 2014 at 7:33 am

  12. its high time peoples within uk reacted wake up to what is truly happening here? an old etonian elite is telling us what to do whilst prividing no jobs work or answers imposing draconian polucies aimed at serving the ruling elite?! who profit from us our free labor?!
    entrapment by their social policies all if which are socially.experimental
    unproven!?

    david huxtable

    March 25, 2014 at 7:51 am

    • either vote against them come next gen elections or better overthrow or armed insurrect them as they are of no uses to us!? thevpeoples in usa they retain the right within their constitution to armed insurrect a rogue govt using militia?
      peoples bearing.arms
      i can.foresee a need soon for us to do that here and seize back governance for the peoples by the peoples of the peoples as this govt surely does not truly represent us only 11% of uk peoples ever voted it in?! it was a mess!?

      david huxtable

      March 25, 2014 at 7:58 am

    • Well that’s all clear enough!

      WTF

      March 25, 2014 at 9:10 am

      • WTF:

        Are you being sarcastic or ironic?

        jj joop

        March 25, 2014 at 11:58 am

      • Just go by my initials.

        WTF

        March 25, 2014 at 1:04 pm

      • I am so with you, friend.

        jj joop

        March 25, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    • What do you expect. He’s in a constant state of denial. Oh, and he’s certifiable as well.

      jj joop

      March 25, 2014 at 11:24 am

    • I don’t believe the figures, they’re bound to be fiddled.
      With almost everyone on wage freezes or even wage cuts, getting new jobs on much less pay than their previous job, and the number of those on in-work benefits highest ever, I think the number of households dependent of benefits must have gone up.

      Another Fine Mess

      March 25, 2014 at 5:57 pm

    • “How many of these are on 16hrs a week supported by tax credits? Hundreds of thousands.”

      https://twitter.com/jcpAdwiser

      Before it was privatised, Royal Mail was making a profit. Now the newly-privatised company wants to cut 1600 jobs:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26728116

      JBS

      March 26, 2014 at 2:07 am

  13. HELP BOYCOTT WORKFARE TO SHUT DOWN NEW WORKFARE SCHEME BY PRINTING THIS LEAFLET AND HANDING IT OUT (print on A4 and cut in half to get two A5 leaflets).

    jj joop

    March 25, 2014 at 12:33 pm

  14. Benefit Sanctions Must Be Stopped Without Exceptions in UK. – Please sign and pass on.

    15,414 Signatures at present.

    https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/benefit-sanctions-must-be-stopped-without-exceptions-in-uk

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    March 25, 2014 at 1:40 pm

  15. British Heart Foundation Statement.

    “At the moment, there are around 15,000 people giving their time to support us by working in our Shops across the UK. All the opportunities we provide are voluntary. We are no longer involved in the Mandatory Work Activity scheme or the Work Programme”

    “We have recently established an important partnership with Job Centre Plus to actively promote volunteering as an option for anyone who is unemployed and wants to gain work experience”

    “Our supporters are welcome to contact us directly if they have any questions about our participation in the scheme” Please email customerservice@bhf.org.uk.

    https://www.bhf.org.uk/about-us/our-policies/our-shops/work-programme.aspx

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    March 25, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    • I was told today when I signed on that nobody is at all clear on what is going to happen about Iain Duncan Smith’s little wheez.

      Andrew Coates

      March 25, 2014 at 2:34 pm

      • I got the same story at my JCP last week.

        I’ve just been looking around most of the charity websites and most of them including the big ones are no longer taking people on the MWA’s or the CWP’s or any DWP/JCP programme’s.

        It’s going to be very hard for the Jobcentres to place people on CWP’s as by definition they have to be of benefit to the community, so it’s impossible for you be sent to any normal type of business.

        This may be why the DWP have been so quiet about CWP’s since last November.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        March 25, 2014 at 3:07 pm

      • I took the opportunity to say that if they couldn’t get Universal Credit up and running how were they going to send us lot to work for free?

        Andrew Coates

        March 25, 2014 at 3:29 pm

      • Whats the bets pound stores and supermarkets fill the void as usual. The important thing to remember here though is what is legally termed as forced labour as I know something I believe this government hasn’t done which if true will indeed throw a spanner in the works that is CAP

        gaia

        March 25, 2014 at 4:06 pm

      • “The Universal Cock-Up will cost an estimated £2bn to implement and is due to be rolled out next year. However, given that it is being organised by Mr Duncan Smith, experts say it is more likely to cost £200bn and never happen at all.”

        http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2014/03/24/iain-duncan-smith-to-simplify-all-his-cock-ups-into-one-universal-cock-up/

        JBS

        March 26, 2014 at 3:55 am

      • Has anybody factored in the costs of workfare?

        A nice little earner for those benefiting from free labour, but all these contractors and consultants have to be paid handsomely.

        Andrew Coates

        March 26, 2014 at 4:27 pm

  16. Maybe the title of this post should be:

    ‘The Unemployed Approach Workfare’

    Well my sheild’s are up, Phaser’s and Photon Torpedo’s ready.

    If someone/anyone is mandated to serve 6 month’s anywhere, can you imagine the sabotage that ‘COULD’ be inflicted on the firm/company their sent to?

    En Mass there ‘COULD’ be pilfering on a massive scale, also there ‘COULD’ be accidental destruction of stock/machinery/property/and anything else you can think of.

    Now let’s look at the charity/firm’s reputation – would you want to be publically ridiculed for not paying the people who are working for you the Basic Minimum Wage?

    Would you want protesters with banners outside you businesses?

    Would you want your firms named and made known to all of the Newspapers and TV Media?

    Well that’s what ‘COULD’ happen to any firm that runs the Governments new Community Work Placements Programme.

    BE WARNED!

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    March 25, 2014 at 5:21 pm

    • It happened in Occupied Europe in WW2….Resistance Fighters,use the Enemies resources against the Enemy!

      jray

      March 25, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    • I remember one of these schemes from 20+ years ago, and it was the permanent paid workers who were ‘causing difficulties’ because they realised the free workers were simply undermining both their pay and hours.

      Another Fine Mess

      March 25, 2014 at 5:44 pm

      • If I’m placed at a pound store or a supermarket, I will “cause difficultiies”. That’s a joop promise.

        jj joop

        March 25, 2014 at 6:20 pm

      • I’ll develop a case of chronic dropsie if forced to work for nowt.

        Another Fine Mess

        March 25, 2014 at 7:23 pm

  17. Help to Work guidelines available 28th April 2014.

    http://refuted.org.uk/2014/03/25/helptoworkguides/

    jj joop

    March 25, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    • I should have said “maybe” available.

      jj joop

      March 25, 2014 at 6:26 pm

  18. CHANGES TO FOI ACT

    Changes are on the way to the Freedom of Information Act.

    Consultations to make sure the Act is not “abused” are to take place:

    http://foidirectory.co.uk/government-to-launch-consultations-on-changes-to-foi-act-to-make-sure-it-is-not-abused/

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/oct/30/freedomofinformation-davidcameron

    Are they going to ration the number or restrict the type of requests you can make?

    Better hurry up before your access to information is denied!

    Tobanem

    March 25, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    • It was always the plan as is changing DPA except the latter is more complicated dew in part to the human rights act. Now you know why this government want to change its arrangement with the EU and bring about garbage regulations such as the social bill.

      Claimants and the working are so busy playing me myself and I that they cant see the bigger picture of how the tories intend to change governance for ever.

      gaia

      March 27, 2014 at 9:11 am

  19. so when stuff starts getting broken and damaged are the dwp going to pay for it?

    if i get hurt is the dwp going to be paying for my insurance or will this be paid for by the employer.?

    will lunch be provided as you need food to work 8hrs a day and all travel paid for?

    if im ill and cant go in will i get sanctioned even if the doc says not to go and have a note or get sent home from the placement.

    if im working am i entitled to holidays same as a full time worker and if not why.

    if i sign off while on the 6 month placement can i get working tax credits as im not being paid anything?

    super ted

    March 25, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    • If you’re doing paid work and you’re late for some reason, you might lose 15mins or an hours worth of pay.
      If you’re surviving on next to nothing and doing workfare and you’re late for some reason, you lose 4 weeks ‘pay’ while there’s a massive administrative investigation into it.
      This can’t be legal.

      Another Fine Mess

      March 25, 2014 at 8:59 pm

      • From a moral stance, its exploitative when you call something “like work” that is actually work, yet manipulatively in such a fashion so as to circumnavigate employment and wage rights. Lifting a box is still lifting a box whether your instructed while doing so or not.

        gaia

        March 26, 2014 at 6:01 pm

      • Theirs always a reason to be late but theirs no excuse to get sanctioned for it. Granted DWP shouldn’t punish a claimant for such a minor infraction but none the less they do, so as the agreement says, “treat them with the same respect they show you”.

        How people get sanctioned for being late confuses me as within DWPs own policy, theirs a get out clause that they cant get around.

        I said theirs always a reason, well that reason might be that just before attending that you got a call from someone say asking you to mow a lawn, paint a room, etc (cant be your house or neighbours) and wants a price. You might quote that price as say a tenner (national min doesn’t come into this as your pricing the service and not your labour rate).

        If this was the case then when you attend DWP next (go or call as soon as possible) you declare this income (change of circumstances rule) on their B7 paperwork detailing yourself as the employer/company (unless it forms a regular pattern which this wont it doesn’t require you beyond DWP paperwork to make any declaration to the tax office). Next declare your earnings which we will say is a tenner and after signing it, that’s that, you’ve complied with the change of circumstance rule, tax rules and produced satisfactory reason for being late.

        You don’t have to give any details of whom asked for the service as your not legally obliged to store or part with such data without first being registered with ICO inconnection to DPA which if your not makes it strictly illegal to take and store and process this individuals data fullstop. The legal definition of processing includes passing personal and or sensitive data to a third party which in this case would be DWP).

        Now what happens next is that the first 5 pounds declared is yours to keep but the rest declared gets deducted pound for pound from your JSA/ESA .

        Now this is a valid reason to be late but of course this makes life difficult for DWP as, well anyone could declare it and I suppose their right as a claimant could, couldn’t they ?

        gaia

        March 27, 2014 at 9:47 am

  20. Community Work Placements will be a mandatory programme delivered by providers, who will be contracted to deliver work placements for claimants for 30 hours a week for up to
    26 weeks, alongside supported jobsearch. They will be paid fees both for claimants attending placements, and for moving claimants into sustained employment.

    http://base-uk.org/members/news/community-work-placements-scheme-tender-launched

    Community Work Placements
    Reference number: UI_DWP_100625

    Estimated duration28/04/2014 – 27/10/2016

    Estimated value£0 – £253,800,000

    Location where the contract is to be carried out:
    United Kingdom
    This contract includes England, Scotland and Wales only, it does not include Northern Ireland.
    Is this suitable for smaller suppliers? No

    Is this contract suitable for a voluntary, community and social enterprise organisations? Yes

    Name of the buying organisation:
    Department for Work and Pensions (CD Sourcing)

    https://online.contractsfinder.businesslink.gov.uk/Common/View%20Notice.aspx?site=1000&lang=en&noticeid=1152797&fs=true

    Nature of procurementCompetition as part of an existing framework agreement

    super ted

    March 25, 2014 at 11:42 pm

  21. WATCH THE SOFT BROWN STUFF HIT THE WHIRLLY WHIRRLY ROUNDY ROUNDY SPINNY THING

    NET

    March 26, 2014 at 9:31 am

  22. DPAC protest at the DisabilityCONfident conference March 25 2014.

    Bloody Well Said.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    March 26, 2014 at 6:55 pm

    • They are good DPAC. We work with them closely in Ipswich.

      Andrew Coates

      March 27, 2014 at 12:28 pm

  23. I recommend this mickey take newspaper to everyone.

    It’s called News Biscuit and it’s very funny, this link below will take you to a story about IDS.

    Iain Duncan Smith to simplify all his cock-ups into one Universal Cock-Up.

    The bit about a Sinclair ZX 81 running Universal Credit is hilarious, have a read.

    http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2014/03/24/iain-duncan-smith-to-simplify-all-his-cock-ups-into-one-universal-cock-up/

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    March 26, 2014 at 7:09 pm

  24. In the interest of sticking it to the man, ATOS has publicly declared their pulling out of the fit for work contract.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26766345

    I know it has already been mentioned but now its made official as the government declare it today on BBC news.

    gaia

    March 27, 2014 at 10:03 am

  25. If theirs one thing worse than a bank but acts like a bank, its organisations like the IMF who make extreme demands on countries in trouble that must be excepted before funds are to be given.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26758788

    gaia

    March 27, 2014 at 10:36 am

  26. See, being inactive does save money

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25959582

    gaia

    March 27, 2014 at 10:43 am

  27. Want to know how money works in the real world and why the 2008 global crash is just one of others to come.

    gaia

    March 27, 2014 at 10:50 am

  28. Signed on today and asked about CPWs. I was told it is supposed to start in April but they (JCP) have had no official notification yet. They’ve only be told it will be three tier: 6 month workfare, daily signings or intensive help for people with literacy/numeracy problems.

    jj joop

    March 27, 2014 at 1:03 pm


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