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Iain Duncan Smith takes viewers’ questions on welfare

Universal Credit and welfare reforms meant “millions will be better off”, promised the work and pensions secretary.

Iain Duncan Smith was defending changes, where critics have claimed the Universal Credit introduction was being pushed back, but he said he wanted to “roll it out carefully” so it worked properly, and it would be implemented in 2018.

The Conservative minister said it was “not a nasty vicious system”, as he was questioned about the critical reaction to welfare changes, including from the Roman Catholic church.

He spoke to Andrew Neil, who posed viewers’ questions, after they watched a Sunday Politics film about his changes

The Void comments,

“Bare-faced Lies, Bluff and Bullshit Are All Iain Duncan Smith Has Left As Millions Suffer.”

The list goes on and on.  The Public Accounts Committee, the Institute for Fiscal Studies, the Office for National Statistics, the National Audit Office, the Archbishop of Westminster, even the Tory dominated Policy Exchange and coalition partners the Lib Dems, all of these people are wrong or lying said the increasingly bewildered Iain Duncan Smith in a rare appearance on the Sunday Politics this morning (starts at 13.20).

More here.

Watching A4E says,

There was a stand-out moment for me, and it wasn’t one of his factual inaccuracies.  It was when he was asked about the criticisms of Archbishop Vincent Nichols, the leader of his own church.  With the same supercilious expression that he’d worn throughout, IDS simply said, “He’s wrong.”

It’s important to remember what the Archbishop actually said.  He didn’t criticise the “reforms” in principle.  He deplored the fact that people were being left in destitution, left for weeks on end without any support, which he called a “disgrace”.  His information, he said, came from the network of priests and charities in the poorest areas of the country.  “There must be something wrong with the administration of a system which has that effect on so many people’s lives.”  But IDS said, “He’s wrong.”  And he added that he wished the Archbishop had called him before saying all this.

The arrogance is breath-taking.  No doubt he would have told the man who is supposed to be in spiritual authority over him that all the reports from his priests and charities were ill-informed, that food banks were scaremongering, that the evidence of his own eyes and ears was an illusion.  There is no way through to this man.

I’ve been around a long time, and involved in politics for much of that time.  I lived through the Thatcher years, and loathed her as much as anyone.  I got disillusioned with Blair.  But this is something different.  This is a government which has entrusted its dirty work to a man who has neither the intelligence nor the insight to understand the consequences of his actions, and who has surrounded himself with people similarly bereft of humanity.  We have media which are either complicit or supine.  And I have no idea what we can do about it.

Vox Political says,

Most of the information provided by the Work and Pensions Secretary wasn’t factually accurate, but at least Andrew Neil had the guts to ask some of the questions this blog did not expect from him.

Let’s be honest, though – he bottled the Big One. The Elephant in the Studio was the number of people who have died due to the Incapacity Benefit/ESA sanctions regime imposed by Iain Duncan Smith (never mind Labour’s early involvement; it’s a Tory baby now) and policed by Atos (although the firm has realised this is commercial suicide and is trying to get out of the contract).

………………

One aspect of what he said that disturbed this writer was when the Secretary of State claimed Universal Credit would make it easier for people to take short-term work while they look for long-term jobs. He said the current system penalises people for doing this, and we can see from people’s recent experiences http://mikesivier.wordpress.com/2014/03/08/sanctioned-for-working-and-being-honest-about-it/ that there is truth in it. But the nature of Universal Credit means that benefits are adjusted according to the amount people have earned; if someone does a day’s work and is paid even minimum wage for it, then the UC computers (if they ever work) will dock that amount from that person’s benefit – they will be no better-off. In fact, they may be worse-off, as there may be knock-on effects on other aspects of that person’s income. How is this making work pay?

Even the Tories on the Spectator say,

Iain Duncan Smith ties himself into universal knots over welfare reform

Will Universal Credit ever become universal and will the lowest paid still face an effective tax rate of a sometimes outrageous 76 per cent? Iain Duncan Smith took a grilling over his plans for welfare reform on the Sunday Politicstoday, but didn’t give a clear answer to either of these questions regarding his reforms.

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Written by Andrew Coates

March 10, 2014 at 12:01 pm

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  1. Reading between the unemployment lines

    The Guardian, Sunday 9 March 2014 21.00 GMT
    Chris Williamson, chief economist at Markit, hails the record rise in jobs as the “most encouraging of all” (Report, 6 March), alongside the plunging fall in the unemployment rate. But it pays to look behind the figures and the hype. It has long been recognised that falling household incomes, 6% down in real terms since the crash and still falling, are forcing a great many older workers to come out of retirement and forcing many young workers to take any job going on minimum pay and usually zero-hours contracts; and 90% of these very low pay and insecure jobs are only available around London. This is certainly not a sign of strong economic growth, especially when business investment still remains 20% below 2008 levels.

    But there is another factor which suggests caution about the continual puff about the recovery. There has been widespread puzzlement about the dramatic fall in the unemployment figures in recent months from 7.8% to 7.1%, which even forced Mark Carney to revise his “forward guidance”. This enigma can now be explained. The government has been excluding from the claimant count all those who have been sanctioned, that is those who have had their JSA removed, even for the most petty infringement like being five minutes late for a job interview. More than 1 million people have been sanctioned, and the total is accelerating monthly. That is 3% or more of the workforce and if they were all included, as they should be as they clearly are seeking work, the unemployment rate would be nearer 8% than 7%. Mrs Thatcher sought to conceal how high unemployment had climbed in the 1980s by reclassifying hundreds of thousands as disabled, from which ironically Atos has been used to declare they are nearly all fit for work to cut expenditure. It now seems today’s government has hit upon another dishonest wheeze to massage the unemployment figures out of all connection with reality.
    Michael Meacher MP
    Lab, Oldham

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/mar/09/reading-between-unemployment-lines

    Andrew Coates

    March 10, 2014 at 12:46 pm

  2. Here’s something important for people who get their benefits paid into post office card accounts.

    Monday 10 March 2014.

    DWP cuts put government’s welfare reforms at risk, says leaked document.

    Department for Work and Pensions is struggling to meet demands for savings, according to internal review.

    The department intends to stop paying benefits into Post Office card accounts – basic cash accounts used by nearly 3 million people, including 1.5 million pensioners, many of whom do not have ordinary bank accounts. This could prove politically controversial because it would undermine the financial viability of rural post offices.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/10/dwp-cuts-welfare-reforms-risk-leaked-document-iain-duncan-smith

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    March 10, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    • We need a new national motto to reflect the government’s attitude to the people:
      ‘Fuck Off And Die’.

      something survived...

      March 10, 2014 at 3:46 pm

  3. Read the definition of TERRORIST.
    This “government” and especially the DWP are guilty of terrorising the people using the dictionary definition of the word.

    In a nutshell…. this government is a DOMESTIC TERRORIST ORGANISATION.

    epsom

    March 10, 2014 at 1:06 pm

  4. “The card accounts are expensive and not flexible enough to handle universal credit benefit payments, the review says”

    It doesnt look as if the universal credit computer system can either.ironically these were the account’s first peddled by the DWP for benefits.

    Mrs Thatcher sought to conceal how high unemployment had climbed in the 1980s by reclassifying hundreds of thousands as disabled.

    This is exactly what they were doing,even shortly before the change to employment and support allowance this road was still being used by providers’.”when your on incapacity benefit your in control.when on jobseekers their in control was the message.

    even the jobcentre were saying “people who are not going to get jobs are moved onto another benefit”

    Now today.

    Those vile people sitting in the jobcentre a few feet away doing absolutely nothing.

    https://welfaretales.wordpress.com/2014/02/13/those-vile-peopple-sitting-in-the-jobcentre-a-few-feet-away-doing-absolutely-nothing/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539798/Start-paying-taxes-hang-JobCentre-official-suspended-Facebook-rant-targeting-unemployed-father-three.html

    ken

    March 10, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    • The jobcentre is full of vile, despicable, lying, two-faced, deceptive, bad-mannered, disgusting, rude, uneducated, illiterate, selfish, cocky, arrogant, boasting, bullying, childish, self-important, insecure, apathetic, smelly, lazy skiving morons.

      …And they’re driving the *claimants* round the bend!

      something survived...

      March 10, 2014 at 3:52 pm

  5. Discerning readers won’t be fooled by the latest blizzard of denials and lies from IDS on the Sunday Politics show.

    Either the electorate will get rid of the Tories, or the Tories will get rid of the Welfare State with all the deliberate chaos they are causing – that is what their endgame is all about.

    Tobanem

    March 10, 2014 at 1:25 pm

  6. I suspect that if IDS died (hooray!) and the coroner pronounced him dead he’d sit up and say ‘no i’m not’ before dropping down dead again.

    ghost whistler

    March 10, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    • IDS has been dead a while, rots from the head down, and is still walking around. Take a sharp stake, some garlic, and something to cut his head off. (Did you know that in the banking industry, zombie is a technical term?!)

      something survived...

      March 10, 2014 at 3:56 pm

  7. Ciaran Jenkins‏@C4Ciaran.

    IDS just looked at this graph and said “No, no the point is that child poverty has fallen.”

    pic.twitter.com/i0Wre26jD7

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    March 10, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    • The graph clearly shows child poverty is increasing, maybe IDS never learn’t to read because faced with fact’s like this, he is still in denial.

      Anyone watching this could only come to one conclusion, IDS is a complete idiot.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      March 10, 2014 at 2:37 pm

      • Hey Obi: figures can’t lie, but lie can figure.

        jj joop

        March 10, 2014 at 3:49 pm

      • Where’s the IRA’s best long-distance snipers when you need them?!

        something survived...

        March 10, 2014 at 3:58 pm

  8. Obi Wan Kenobi :
    Here’s something important for people who get their benefits paid into post office card accounts.
    Monday 10 March 2014.
    DWP cuts put government’s welfare reforms at risk, says leaked document.
    Department for Work and Pensions is struggling to meet demands for savings, according to internal review.
    The department intends to stop paying benefits into Post Office card accounts – basic cash accounts used by nearly 3 million people, including 1.5 million pensioners, many of whom do not have ordinary bank accounts. This could prove politically controversial because it would undermine the financial viability of rural post offices.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/10/dwp-cuts-welfare-reforms-risk-leaked-document-iain-duncan-smith

    With no obligation from any bank to provide an alternative (which is the whole point of the post office account), people will be fucked, royally.

    ghost whistler

    March 10, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    • That is typically mean-spirited and vicious of this lot.

      Andrew Coates

      March 10, 2014 at 4:24 pm

  9. IDS, is fucking insane! He clearly doesn’t know what his talking about. Why is he still in government, and what kind of idiots vote for him? The mind boggles.

    Ant

    March 10, 2014 at 3:42 pm

  10. 15,000 people mobilised in Day of Action on Monday the 10th of March to defend the unemployed – in Belgium!

    The main trade unions in Belgium backed the protests, which targeted “sanctions” that have taken 50,000 off the registered Dole (the equivalent of the DWP claims the total is 27,000).

    More (in French) http://www.lesoir.be/489365/article/actualite/belgique/2014-03-10/15000-personnes-se-mobilisent-contre-chasse-aux-chomeurs

    Video of Brussels protest.

    http://bambuser.com/v/4429536

    Andrew Coates

    March 10, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    • If that many people turned up to the demo’s outside Jobcentres in Britain there would definately be rioting.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      March 10, 2014 at 7:53 pm

  11. Yet another benefits scandal over ‘absurd’ two-week paid holiday for jobseekers.

    DOLE claimants are getting more than £140 in benefits while they take two-week holidays.

    The Government says its new Universal Credit, which rolls together six benefits, will bring an end to the holiday privilege. A spokesman for the Department for Work and Pensions said: “In Universal Credit, jobseekers will no longer be able to stop looking for work while taking in a holiday.”

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/463995/Scandal-of-absurd-two-week-paid-holiday-for-jobseekers

    You are entitled to 2 weeks holiday PER YEAR (with no jobseeking) and still able to get paid your JSA whilst unemployed.

    Complete form ES674 – entitled ‘Going on holiday in Great Britain’. In order for JSA Participants to be treated as actively seeking employment for 2 benefit weeks in a 12 month period if they are away from home. They must remain in Great Britain and remain available for work but, can be treated as actively seeking employment for the period that they are away.

    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/wp-pg-chapter-13.pdf

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    March 10, 2014 at 5:54 pm

  12. Obi Wan Kenobi :
    Yet another benefits scandal over ‘absurd’ two-week paid holiday for jobseekers.
    DOLE claimants are getting more than £140 in benefits while they take two-week holidays.

    The Government says its new Universal Credit, which rolls together six benefits, will bring an end to the holiday privilege. A spokesman for the Department for Work and Pensions said: “In Universal Credit, jobseekers will no longer be able to stop looking for work while taking in a holiday.”
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/463995/Scandal-of-absurd-two-week-paid-holiday-for-jobseekers
    You are entitled to 2 weeks holiday PER YEAR (with no jobseeking) and still able to get paid your JSA whilst unemployed.
    Complete form ES674 – entitled ‘Going on holiday in Great Britain’. In order for JSA Participants to be treated as actively seeking employment for 2 benefit weeks in a 12 month period if they are away from home. They must remain in Great Britain and remain available for work but, can be treated as actively seeking employment for the period that they are away.
    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/wp-pg-chapter-13.pdf

    “The only conditions are that they stay in the UK and must cut short their trips if they are called to interviews or offered work.”

    At least that was mentioned.so someone still has to be under “conditionality” and now called a trip and return. if someone leaves the country on a foreign holiday another popular headline on cashpoint emergency payments as you do,benefits stop.

    The press are determined to milk anything on this subject and sensationalise for headlines.

    ken

    March 10, 2014 at 7:33 pm

  13. SLAVERY

    Interesting story about slavery here. Read this excerpt first:

    “The ancestors of a host of well-known Britons have been linked to the slave trade in recent years.

    Among them is prime minister David Cameron whose first cousin six times removed, General Sir James Duff, in addition to benefiting from slavery while it was legal in the British empire, was given £4,101, equal to more than £3 million today ($4.7 million dollars), for the 202 black people he enslaved on the Grange Sugar Estate in Jamaica.

    Nineteenth Century businessman William Jolliffe, a relative of Cameron’s wife, Samantha, also reaped the rewards of slavery, receiving £4,000, or around £3.25million in today’s money, in government compensation for having to free 164 slaves in St Lucia following abolition.

    Others whose families benefitted from slavery include, Lord Coe, actor Benedict Cumberbach, secularist Richard Dawkins, former minister Douglas Hogg, authors Graham Greene and George Orwell and poet Elizabeth Barrett Browning”.

    Full report here:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2577312/Caribbean-leaders-sue-Britain-slave-trade-150-years-abolished.html

    Tobanem

    March 11, 2014 at 9:40 am

  14. Well, who is going to fight for you lot now… 🙂

    Bob Crowe (Deceased)

    March 11, 2014 at 10:30 am

    • Hello 🙂 *waves*

      Mark Serwotka (Still Alive)

      March 11, 2014 at 10:32 am

  15. Ghost Whistler you made me laugh out loud which doesn’t often happen these days! Something Survived, Don’t be unkind to vampires: They at least started out as human. Something I don’t think IDS has ever been!

    Carol Joyce

    March 11, 2014 at 12:05 pm

  16. Quite an experience to live in fear isn’t it? 🙂 That’s what it is to be a slave! 🙂

    Ho, ho, ho 🙂

    We are working for you

    The Right Hon. Iain Duncan Smith MP, Secretary of State for the Department of Work and Pensions

    Iain Duncan Smith MP

    March 11, 2014 at 12:43 pm

  17. Informative video on Labour Camps set up in Britain by the 1929 Labour Party – if you failed to participate or finish, you lost 6 weeks dole! Well worth watching:

    Tobanem

    March 11, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    • .
      Suffolk Peoples Assembly
      Motions for Peoples Assembly Recall Conference
      March 15th
      Motion 1 Workfare

      “Conference notes the continuing use of compulsory unpaid work (“Workfare”) and the plans to extend them by use of Community Work Placements from April 2014.
      Conference believes that Workfare:-
      Does not address the underlying causes of unemployment.
      Does not reduce unemployment.
      Enables employers to take advantage of unpaid labour while cutting pay and employment opportunities for others.
      Penalises and stigmatises unemployed people and
      Should not exist. All workers be paid the going rate and on the same terms and conditions as other workers.
      Conference resolves that:
      All public bodies, contractors to public bodies, voluntary organisations and charities, as well as all private employers should refuse to accept Workfare placements arranged by Jobcentre Plus or the Work Programme providers.

      All supporters of the People’s Assembly should take steps to establish whether or not Workfare placements are being used by organisations they are involved in and take steps to end such placements.
      There should be an independent investigation into the Welfare-to-Work industry.

      Benefit claimants should receive a decent level of benefits, proper training and the best opportunities, without compulsion, to look for paid employment.
      The Peoples’ Assembly should campaign against Workfare.”

      (199 words)

      Andrew Coates

      March 11, 2014 at 4:36 pm

  18. HELP!! I have been given a jobseekers direction to provide a copy of my CV (and covering letter) I sent in for a job application. This is to be handed in (or e-mailed) before the adviser appointment. But I thought you didn’t have to provide a copy of your CV to the jobcentre. What do I do – just ignore the direction and show a copy at the adviser appointment.

    Kirsty

    March 11, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    • when they demanded i have to give them a copy of my cv they got my name and addr on a a4 bit of paper with nothing else on it as i got nothing to go on one anyway and if you lie on a cv its fraud

      or put you been pissed every day for the last 10 years and shit ur self 🙂

      super ted

      March 11, 2014 at 10:13 pm

      • Thanks Ted 🙂 but all I can find so far is something on refuted that you don’t have to give a copy of your cv to the work programme… that other whatdoyouknow site just looks like a useless mess lol 🙂

        Kirsty

        March 11, 2014 at 10:29 pm

      • There is a lot of good info on whatdotheyknow – you just have to tease it out! 🙂

        J Seeker

        March 12, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    • Anyway, think it would be best to just to hand over my CV: Jobcentre 1 : Kirsty 0

      Kirsty

      March 11, 2014 at 10:31 pm

    • Kirsty :

      HELP!! I have been given a jobseekers direction to provide a copy of my CV (and covering letter) I sent in for a job application. This is to be handed in (or e-mailed) before the adviser appointment. But I thought you didn’t have to provide a copy of your CV to the jobcentre. What do I do – just ignore the direction and show a copy at the adviser appointment.

      You provide the jobcenter a copy with a watermark across the page (diagonally looks good). You then redact—black out– all personal information such as your phone number etc—also, black out any previous jobs that you have put on your CV.

      The watermark should read CONFIDENTIAL—NOT FOR DISTRIBUTION TO THIRD PARTIES.

      epsom

      March 12, 2014 at 2:01 am

      • Thanks epsom 🙂

        Kirsty

        March 12, 2014 at 8:21 am

    • “I sent in for a job application” quoted by Kirsty.

      So by judging the tail end of your comment, DWP suspect you of not applying for a vacancy, you say you did ?

      I have to ask exactly word for word what does the jobseekers direction actually say as its not up to you to prove innocence but DWP to prove guilt as they cited it first.

      I would imagine DWP are using the “HOW DO WE KNOW YOUR ACTIVELY SEEKING WORK AN AM AVAILABLE IF WE DONT KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE A CV” chestnut.

      THE LAW

      According to the data protection act PERSONAL DATA is legally defined as any data or 2 pieces of information that identify an individual as that individual.(section 1 of the DPA)

      “personal data” means data which relate to a living individual who can be identified—

      (a) from those data, or

      (b) from those data and other information which is in the possession of, or is likely to come into the possession of, the data controller,

      and includes any expression of opinion about the individual and any indication of the intentions of the data controller or any other person in respect of the individual;

      Example of personal data on a CV

      Full name
      Address
      Phone number
      Places of work (ie, shipton and sons ltd 1979 to 1998)
      Qualifications (ie, the college name and cert number and even the year taken and studied)

      Inorder to gain new personal data (they don’t already have) DWP would have to again get you to sign a DPA policy, THIS MUST BE GAINED BY FREELY GIVEN CONSENT, WITHOUT FEAR OF THREAT OR PERSECUTION.

      You see they have to first obtain your personal data before they can claim exemptions so if you don’t give it, they cant abuse it.

      With this in mind I highly recommend Epsoms advice as it will piss DWP off no end as you are complying with the jobseekers direction BUT IN FULL ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW, NAMELY THE DATA PROTECTION ACT AND AS SUCH AS THE DATA SUBJECT (you), RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CONTROL THE FLOW OF YOUR SAID PERSONAL AND OR SENSTIVE DATA WHERE YOU SEE FIT.

      Its not a sanctionable offence to NOT GIVE LEGAL CONSENT IN FULL ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW (SCHEDULE 2 and 3 of DPA) and MUST BE OBSERVED BY CIVIL SERVANTS UNDER THE CIVIL SERVICE VALUES, SECTION, STANDARDS OF BEHAVIOUR, INTEGRITY 6, BULLET POINT 6 ” • comply with the law and uphold the administration of justice”.

      http://www.civilservice.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/civil-service-code-2010.pdf

      (requires PC to have Adobe pdf reader or like minded program installed prior to clicking on link)

      gaia

      March 12, 2014 at 10:03 am

      • Thanks, gaia 🙂 I will have to re-read your reply a few times to take it all in 🙂 But yes, I think it is to trip me. Maybe they think I have an “official” jobcentre CV and one I send to employers or something lol But as someone said else where they are using the excuse of checking to see if my CV “is all it can be”. I also have an idea that it is an attempt to obtain more personal information (that the jobcentre don’t already have) and the adviser is going to say that the CV is too “vague” and the next “direction” will be to produce one with more personal information added. I really don’t trust the jobcentre and I don’t want to give them any more information than is necessary so I will follow your and Epsom’s very good advice. 🙂

        Kirsty

        March 12, 2014 at 10:30 am

      • Yes, very useful.

        I could hear somebody following something like these procedures yesterday at the Job Centre.

        Andrew Coates

        March 12, 2014 at 12:11 pm

  19. never gave 1 to my wp provider either and that was the end off that, parked for the hole 2 years 3 sanctions and won um all.

    no exit report sent to hit squad never had a clue what to do with me sent here and there and sent home every time now they gave up and just sign again.

    told a floor manager what the provider had done and not interested, told to forget about it, err like fuck i will and there still doing it.

    was sent to do a 2 week course after wp signed all the paper work so they got paid and that was that, never even had to go so 500 quid for an induction for nothing.

    think it 8 nil in my faver so far good how they can fuck up over and over again but if im 5 min late get a sanction wtf and if im early get to sit out side in the rain and freeze to death.

    super ted

    March 11, 2014 at 10:57 pm

  20. “UJM not mandatory”

    The UJ Jobmatch toolkit chapter 3, paragraph 50, states: “You cannot issue a Jobseeker’s Direction to either require a claimant to create a profile and CV in Universal Jobmatch or to mandate a claimant to give us access to their account – this is their decision not ours.” Paragraph 52 also states that “We cannot specify to a JSA claimant how they provide us with records of their jobsearch activity and Universal Jobmatch will not change this.”

    http://www.pcs.org.uk/en/department_for_work_and_pensions_group/dwp-news.cfm/id/78E359C6-7B09-4FC6-98EBD4696432C199

    gaia

    March 12, 2014 at 8:30 am

    • F*****g animals. Do these people (JCP) never give up. Apparently not.

      jj joop

      March 12, 2014 at 8:37 am

    • Latest Universal Jobmatch Toolkit

      DWP Central Freedom of Information Team.

      Our Ref: VTR4916.

      17 October 2013.

      Chapter 1 produced on 23/05/2013 is included in Annex 1 of this letter
      Chapter 2 produced on 05/06/2013 is included in Annex 2 of this letter.
      Chapter 3 produced on 25/07/2013 is included in Annex 3 of this letter.
      Chapter 4 produced on 22/05/2013 is included in Annex 4 of this letter.

      Chapter 03 – Using Universal Jobmatch (UJ).

      Issuing a Jobseeker’s Direction to mandate JSA claimants to create a profile and public CV in Universal Jobmatch.

      54. Where you have explained the benefits to claimants of creating a profile and public CV in
      Universal Jobmatch and they will not do so willingly, they can be mandated to create a profile and public CV.

      55. However, for legal reasons, you cannot issue a Jobseeker’s Direction to mandate a
      claimant to create a profile and public CV unless a DWP IAD service is reasonably available to them should they need to use one – for example, because they do not want to accept cookies and therefore need to have access to a device on which cookies have already been accepted.

      56. You also cannot issue a Jobseeker’s Direction to mandate a claimant to give us access to their account – this is their decision not ours.

      Actively Seeking Employment.

      92. We cannot specify to a JSA claimant how they provide us with records of their jobsearch
      activity and Universal Jobmatch will not change this – it is not therefore possible to require
      JSA claimants to give DWP access to their Universal Jobmatch account.

      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/181144/response/440922/attach/html/3/4916%20response.pdf.html

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      March 12, 2014 at 10:29 am

      • As can be clearly seen from Obi wans entry post, DWP never did get around to correcting the mandate of claimants to UJM but their again regardless of this theirs a whole lot they don’t put into it and why, BECAUSE it would gifted the claimant with good cause not to register.

        DWPs tactics

        As im sure many have noticed, DWP give out all the advice a claimant would need when talking a freedom of information request, YET PRODUCE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when it comes to the DATA PROTECTION ACT.

        WHY YOU ASK

        Well just like all regulations, rules must be FOLLOWED, even by government ministers so the LAST THING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW IS WHAT THEY MUST DO (government or private business) PRIOR TO PROCESSING OF A DATA SUBJECTS PERSONAL AND OR SENSTIVE DATA. Also they DONT want you knowing what the legal definitions are like what constitutes as processing or what personal data actually is defined as.

        Its always easy to spot where DWP like in the case of UJM CHAPTER 3 TOOLKIT are up to NO GOOD is when the text is more so suggestive like for instance advising claimants on how to create an effective CV and PROFILE, offering dare I say BUZZWORDS they know will produce results.

        DWP HOWEVER neglected to mention during this advice that ACTUALLY YOUR NOT COMPELLED UNDER ANY LAW TO PART WITH YOUR PERSONAL AND OR SENSITIVE DATA WHICH IS IN FULL ACCORDANCE WITH THE DPA, not even under jobseeker direction and or threat of sanction.

        Secondly even though they are free to recommend BUZZWORDS, your again not compelled under any law to USE THEM (don’t discuss this with the advisor as it can open up the opportunity to get the claimant a jobseekers direction).

        WHY SHOULD YOU LISTEN TO ME

        Well DWP can ONLY MANDATE YOU TO SIGN UP WITH UJM AND CHECK IF AGREED UPON (check your jobseeker agreement), YOUR ACCOUNT AT REGULAR INTERVALS.

        They CANNOT MANDATE A CLAIMANT TO APPLY THROUGH SAID ACCOUNT (ie instead of ringing up for details). THEY CANNOT MANDATE A CLAIMANT TO APPLY FOR VACANCIES ON UJM BUT CAN MANDATE A CLAIMANT TO APPLY FOR A PARTICULAR JOB THAT HAPPENS TO BE ADVERTISED ON THEIR WEBSITE if the advisor dare I say it quote ” feels the claimant will benefit from it”, taking into account the advisor has already checked the claimant has the right requisites for the vacancy to begin with.

        STORY SO FAR

        Unless you have a functional CV uploaded and a profile to match, not to mention using the right wording (buzzwords), UJM IS COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY USELESS TO DWP AS A TOOL TO BEAT A CLAIMANT DOWN WITH.

        ESPECIALLY when you factor in rule 25 that use to mention the upcoming 35 hour jobsearch rule that has now been replaced with I quote “UJ brings a shift in the focus from helping claimants search for jobs, to looking instead at the claimant’s activity on UJ. This also means you will suggest ways for them to improve the matches they receive from the
        information they have recorded about their skills and in their public CV. You will also support, motivate and/or challenge them to respond to these matches to help improve their chances of finding work”.

        NOTICE the use of SUGGEST as I mentioned earlier, Notice how their try to get the claimant to use CERTAIN WORDING so as to increase search results ?

        PAY MASSIVE ATTENTION TO THE USE OF “motivate and/or challenge” as I suspect this implies JOBSEEKER DIRECTION as in that case the data wouldn’t be deemed personal data. If they haven’t got access, they cant state what words you have used unless they want to admit to illegally entering your account without prior consent (all DWP staff except the nominated DATA CONTROLLER).

        ANSWERING THE QUESTION

        So with what Obi Wan posted (ie the UJM toolkits) can a claimant be jobseeker directed to setup a UJM ?

        Well NO THEY CANT and this is exactly why

        55. However, for legal reasons, you cannot issue a Jobseeker’s Direction to mandate a claimant to create a profile and public CV unless a DWP IAD service is reasonably available to them should they need to use one – for example, because they do not want to accept cookies and therefore need to have access to a device on which cookies have already been accepted.

        So it STATES if a DWP IAD is reasonably available they can and it makes me laugh when I do this next bit as ACTUALLY NO THEY STILL CANT.

        You see according to another UK law, Privacy and Electronic Communications (EC Directive) (Amendment) Regulations 2011 (UK Regulations) they, YES YOU GUESSED IT, THEY NEED YOUR CONSENT PRIOR TO YET AGAIN (regulation 6) WHEN WE TALK EXCEPTING COOKIES and it makes absolutely no difference who owns the PC, period.

        So they can effectively mandate a claimant to use a DWP IAD but other than bash random keys CANNOT mandate a claimant to either of the following

        1:To part with personal and or sensitive data.

        2: To consent to cookies against the claimants free will while using one of DWPs IADs

        gaia

        March 12, 2014 at 6:37 pm

  21. I can’t wait for them to try it on when the CWPs arrive. I will sign nothing, and they’ll get nothing. And if I don’t give my consent for the pimp to share my personal data, then they won’t be able to pimp me out to anyone.

    jj joop

    March 12, 2014 at 8:41 am

  22. Spent two hours yesterday trying to get through to the “hardshit line”… what does that tell you?

    Hardshit

    March 12, 2014 at 8:52 am

    • … you should have claimed “toughshit” instead lol

      Toughshit

      March 12, 2014 at 9:02 am

  23. I’m not going to put the hole report up but I’ll list the DWP’s most current failures.

    Wednesday 12 March 2014.

    The DWP’s latest disaster – a report leaked to the Guardian about £1bn of welfare cuts – is typical of the incompetence ruining millions of lives.

    The chaos at the Department for Work and Pensions is now so widespread, so universal, that we can only report daily on each new disaster.

    1. Universal Credit, it seems increasingly unlikely that the scheme can be saved at all.

    2. Reassessments of employment support allowance (ESA) have been suspended.

    3. The Work Programme has failed almost completely to help sick and disabled people into work, with fewer than 1% sustaining work over the longer term.

    4. The new PIP benefit is resulting in a shocking two-thirds of disability claims being rejected.

    5. Food banks report that welfare changes now make up 50% of their referrals.

    6. Social care budgets, respite care, day centres and carers’ support have been slashed by up to 40%.

    7. And it goes without saying ‘Universal Jobmatch’ – I added this one myself.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/12/iain-duncan-smith-disability-crisis-fiasco-welfare

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    March 12, 2014 at 12:16 pm

  24. the message was “as you move from welfare to work” it turned out move from the work programme to intimidation.that includes the disabled.

    Those jobseekers directions are about someone not complying and a resulting sanction.

    they know where someone was employed its all on their systems and resulting claims’ for benifits. directions are supposed to be used as a last resort but today its hoping someone wont comply. a cv only ends up folded in your claim file anyway.

    it seems to depend on the office whats tried on,never give access to universal jobmatch,they can see how many minutes someones been logged in on the white screen but just tell them if they mention it you only log in when you apply,most people do and you delete cookies during sessions.

    ken

    March 12, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    • Agreed.

      The interview I overheard did not make clear that you do not have to give access to the ULM account.

      Always remember you do not have to do this.

      Besides, the Fraudsters might have a way to spy on you as well.

      Andrew Coates

      March 12, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    • Yes, ive noticed DWP handing out jobseekers direction DESPITE THE JOBSEEKERS DIRECTION STIPULATING UNDER RULE 6, I quote

      “6. A Jobseeker Direction is only to be considered when a claimant does not voluntarily undertake a particular action, which will improve their prospects of finding work”.

      I myself was handed one just this week to attend a JOBS FAIR. The funny thing was I relished the opportunity to go, especially considering the big engineering firms attending so didn’t need any prompting yet regardless of NOT REFUSING STILL GOT HANDED A JD.

      I do admit I smell a fish so I will bring it up at some point but this might interest a few people here about a link to a PDF I came across detailing how many claimants were issued a jobseekers direction during 2011 to 2012 and 2012 to 2013.

      I wonder if its IDS’s attempt at putting claimants in a bad light so as to justify his draconian ways as the figures are quite high I think. I haven’t looked at it at the bottom link but while its still online people might want to find out how many claimants did get sanctioned for failure to carryout a jobseekers direction.

      gaia

      March 12, 2014 at 7:03 pm

  25. Wednesday 12 Mar 2014

    Work programme needs more work.

    Exclusive: The government’s own assessment of how the work programme is going, conducted for the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) by independent experts, suggests it is still badly under-performing.

    The “work programme evalulation: interim meta-report” was signed off ready for publication in September 2013, but has been sat on ever since.

    A Whitehall source told Channel 4 News that the decision not to publish was taken “at a ministerial level” on the basis that the department didn’t want another embarrassment to deal with.

    The September 2013 report, two years into the work programme, suggests that “creaming” and “parking” are still significant problems.

    A survey of work programme providers makes horrible reading for the government.

    http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/work-programme-work/27769

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    March 12, 2014 at 7:08 pm

  26. VERY IMPORTANT! VERY IMPORTANT! VERY IMPORTANT!

    Did you know it is still only necessary to take THREE STEPS each week to fulfil your obligation to actively seek work?

    You didn’t? Read on:

    “Any jobseeker who can demonstrate that s/he has taken 3 steps a week to find work has complied with the law. Any jobseeker’s ‘agreement’ that imposes more than three steps is illegal and legally unenforceable. Any claimant sanctioned for failing to meet such an illegal requirement has a right to have it overturned on appeal.”
    So now you know. This is vital information for anyone at risk from the Coalition’s vicious and vindictive sanction machine. Please make sure it gets to as many people as possible.”

    Full post here:

    http://mikesivier.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/most-jobseeker-agreements-ruled-unlawful-and-the-dwp-doesnt-care/

    Tobanem

    March 12, 2014 at 7:46 pm

  27. THE IMPORTANCE OF LODGING AN APPEAL

    New figures show 90% of benefit appeals are upheld – but, amazingly, only a relative handful of people get round to actually appealing!!

    Report here:

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/successful-benefits-appeals-soaring-says-scots-academic.23532954

    This is encouraging news for the many unfortunate victims of benefit sanctions. GET APPEALING!!!

    Tobanem

    March 12, 2014 at 7:58 pm

  28. STV. 13 March 2014.

    The UK employment minister is “insulting” welfare claimants by refusing to give evidence to MSPs about benefits sanctions, the convener of a Holyrood committee has said.

    Holyrood row: Welfare Reform Committee had hoped to question Esther McVey on the issue in April.

    Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith and Welfare Minister Lord Freud have both previously refused to give evidence to the committee.

    http://news.stv.tv/scotland/268295-esther-mcvey-insulting-by-refusing-to-give-evidence-to-msps/

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    March 13, 2014 at 1:14 pm


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