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Sanction Changes under Universal Credit.

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Coming our way, this year….

Will conditionality and sanctions change when Universal Credit is introduced? 

Yes.

There will be more conditionality and much tougher sanctions under UC.

In order to receive UC, claimants must sign a ‘Claimant Commitment’. This will set out what the claimant will be expected to do as a condition for receiving UC.

This will include work-focused requirements where appropriate. Failure to comply with a ‘Claimant Commitment’ could result in a reduction in the amount of UC the claimant receives.

The sanction amount will be up to 100 per cent of the ‘standard allowance’.

Claimants will not be able to receive more than one sanction within a two week period. For example, UC claimants on the equivalent of JSA, will face the following sanctions:

Offence Sanction Refusing a job offer 100 per cent reduction in standard allowance of UC for three months

Refusing second job offer within a year of the first offence 100 per cent reduction in standard allowance of UC for six months.

You won’t escape  the clutches of dim but nasty Iain Duncan Smith even if you get a (low paid) job.

Will claimants who are in work still be subject to conditionality and sanctions?

Yes.

UC claimants earning under the ‘conditionality earnings threshold’ (usually the equivalent of 35 hours at National Minimum Wage – currently £210 per week for a single person or £420 per week for a couple) will continue to be subject to conditionality requirements and any resulting sanctions once they enter work.
Sanctions received before moving into work will continue whilst the claimant is working. However, sanctions will be cancelled if the claimant works for six consecutive months or more above the conditionality earnings threshold.

Refusing third job offer within a year of the second offence 100 per cent reduction in standard allowance of UC for three years.

Unlike at present, sanctions will not run concurrently. This means that if a claimant receives the first two sanctions in the table above within say three weeks, they will effectively be sanctioned for nine months.

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Written by Andrew Coates

February 6, 2014 at 4:50 pm

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  1. Head meet wall.

    So they are going to penalise people in work?

    Even if this disastrous system sees the light of day I can’t believe this. Though nothing surprises me any more about our politicians, in particular IDS, this has to rank among the most stupid ideas. Penalising people that have found work is so counter productive it beggars belief.

    ghost whistler

    February 6, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    • The jobs the jobcentre tells us to get, in their machine, all pay less before deductions than £200 a week, including fulltime jobs. All disabled people are being penalised who can’t work a full week or who get paid piecework rate and can’t do much, anyone who is a carer/parent part time…. Everyone unable to get a fulltime or higher paid job. A better tax would be on the fucking stockbroker twats who do almost fuck-all. (There’s only one London trading floor left with people on it, the London Metals Exchange.) It’s all being mechanised with computers telling other computers what trades to make. No programming for ethics or sanity! Minimal actual work for the twats to do except pick out what tie and suit to wear to dinner.
      Also the peers who sit around doing fuck-all, the landed gentry, the royals, CEO’s of top companies… And those who have just billions and can’t be sure exactly how much they have. Richard Branson.
      Lazy fucking scrounging scum.

      Even people heading companies, though you could say they worked their way up rather than being born into it, do very little while the people working on them (cleaning Virgin Trains?) do all the actual hard work. Earning only a sliver of their pay. And that’s the world in microcosm. The top 30-100 people in the world having more wealth then each or all of the bottom billions of people. On the scales of money some people have, it appears that there is a direct correlation: those with the most, did the least work to get it and deserve it the least.

      something survived...

      February 6, 2014 at 8:42 pm

      • Richard fucking Branson didn’t work his way up from anything. He was born with a silver spoon up his arse. He attended Stowe School – one of the most elitist educational establishments in the UK. His father was a barrister and his grandfather a senior High Court judge who sat on the Privy Council. Richard Branson is a bearded wanker who comes form a family of toffs.

        Amie

        February 6, 2014 at 8:55 pm

      • And look at how much money the UK taxpayer just like hands him e.g. the sale of Northern Rock now re branded Virgin Money. How many £billion did the bearded wanker pocket from that deal?

        Amie

        February 6, 2014 at 8:58 pm

  2. Oh and I missed this gem: sanctions will follow someone into work. So if you have fuck all after being sanctioned and you then find work, you can kiss any chance of support to help start that job goodbye. This is what the Tories call helping people is it?

    ghost whistler

    February 6, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    • Seriously, has no one read up on UNIVERSAL CREDIT yet, were you going to wait to become a victim first ?

      The best irony is working tax credit, as what makes you qualify in the first place is the same thing their going to punish you for, you’ve got to laugh even though its not funny.

      Working or not, if you fall within the radar, your screwed so remind me again, how many working people/families claim child and or working tax credit again ?

      gaia

      February 6, 2014 at 5:40 pm

  3. WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE OLD DAYS
    I have a feeling they wont to bust this system so they can implement the new evil system if this all goes through there is not going to be any benefits worth claiming there is no point in this so called democratic system any longer it will leave two options think about it the old system was common law that we still work off to this day but is hidden from the masses. This made perfect sense and always did. The current system comes with benefits that they are trying to dismantle. That’s fine by me they have failed every step of the way and have proven that they never wanted to work for us in the first place, and be our servants. if they refuse to serve us with all these cuts taxes and never ending rules god speed to them if this system no longer gives benefits automatically we should bring back common law no loss, harm, or injury you cut all the middle men out everything and everyone of them no registering of children, property no acquiring licences no council tax no TV licence just contract bills only for a lower price and no income tax we are all allocated our own piece of land to grow on food and to barter with cut the lot of them out.

    Tell me I am dreaming??

    mick

    February 6, 2014 at 5:58 pm

    • Then where would all these free market capitalists get their profits from mick, how dare you deprive the rich and wealthy ?

      Its going to get a lot worse mick as I outlined the other day, The UK has a public debt 9 to 10 times the gross worth of the entire UK, lock stock and barrel, a debt that no country that in history that has befallen to it has ever escaped a great depression.

      Without raising all taxes and contributions, its not a matter of if, but a matter of when and we all know what will happen to businesses if things get raised, they go back to where they came from or to a better taxed climate considering mostly all businesses in the UK are foreign owned anyway and currently enjoy super low government mate rates.

      Screwed if you do, screwed if you don’t, anyone for a black market economy now this UK ship is leaking like a sieve ?

      gaia

      February 6, 2014 at 6:22 pm

  4. But the Masterplan though is to have ALL workers wages/salary paid directly to the Government at 100% tax rate and then doled out according to what the Government determines as need and sanctioned as and when the Government see fit. Jobseekers are merely a testing ground cum firing range for a much wider and wholly encompassing agenda.

    Masterplan

    February 6, 2014 at 6:01 pm

    • Spot on sir, as what does any government do when bankrupt with no way to borrow from the likes of IMF, they introduce a law that allows them to seize all citizens assets.

      gaia

      February 6, 2014 at 6:25 pm

  5. I agree with both statements 100% but let’s go a little further into that hole the world is watching for one, forget the USA and forget Europe these islands have always had something about them when we are on the precipice we always come through whatever the dangers are this is what this country has been waiting for the wakeup call and people are starting to wipe the sleep from their eyes no matter what comes in the near future whether it be a few years of dictatorship showing us its teeth or even a world war in its place you and I know parents like myself who were born in the late sixties and have children now see it in a totally different way I personally put it down to how much fluoride and how much mercury is floating around everybody. Remember in WW2 prisoners were given fluoride to make them passive and to this day most people don’t realise what is in the tooth paste and as for the next leap in so called progress mercury fillings slows down thinking and memory and the ability to connect dentist are mandated use this and that’s strait from the horse’s mouth
    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
    Seem like he was Talking about our heads if you ask me??

    mick

    February 6, 2014 at 7:23 pm

  6. DWP Central Freedom of Information Team

    Our Ref: VTR 5635

    Freedom of Information request received 29 November 2013.

    OMG Whilst claiming UC! Zero Hour Contract Jobs.

    We expect claimants to do all they reasonably can to look for and move into paid work. If a
    claimant turns down a particular vacancy (including zero hour contract jobs) a sanction may be applied but we will look into the circumstances of the case and consider whether they had a good reason.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/187486/response/461859/attach/html/2/FOI%205635%20wdtk%20reply.pdf.html

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    February 6, 2014 at 8:49 pm

  7. ghost whistler :
    Head meet wall.
    So they are going to penalise people in work?

    Yes.- As some of us have been posting for more than a year.!

    Someone working part-time and claiming anything, will have to make up the time with 35 hours jobsearch, as well as looking after the kids, grandparents, running the home.

    Another Fine Mess

    February 7, 2014 at 12:07 am

    • …and, as I’ve been posting for the last nine months, when the planned scheme whereby anyone claiming any type of ESA is forced to engage with DWP appointed health care providers and follow what they recommend (on pain of sanction) that will be yet another raft of disadvantaged individuals utterly fucked beyond all fuckery.

      This planned scheme is likely to include those in receipt of DLA, so anyone claiming PIP and working will be drawn not only into the bullying hell of UC conditionality, but also that of inept, unethical greedmongers who will get the contract for the Health Management Programme, or whatever name they decide to finally give it.

      We have lost democracy, we are soon to lose any right to deal with our own bodies and minds in ways we think fit too.

      Lucy

      February 7, 2014 at 9:06 am

  8. Events maybe about to overtake us all ?.

    “I have never had any doubt that the U.S. economy as we know it was headed for total and catastrophic collapse, the only question was when, exactly, the final trigger event would occur. ”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-06/final-swindle-private-american-wealth-has-begun

    Annos

    February 7, 2014 at 1:01 am

  9. “People who dismiss the the unemployed as “parasites” fail to understand economics and parasitism. A successful parasite is one that is not recognized by its host, one that can make its host work for it with appearing a burden. Such is the ruling class in a capitalist society.”

    — Jason Read

    Jason Read

    February 7, 2014 at 6:00 am

    • * one that can make its host work for it without appearing a burden

      Jason Read

      February 7, 2014 at 6:02 am

    • Hello 🙂 *waves*

      Her Maj

      February 7, 2014 at 8:02 am

  10. Like lots of people it was the sanctions for people in work that struck me.

    I know people juggling low paid jobs – for example, cleaning – and it’s already a hard slog keeping up with the bills, and the existing benefits.

    Now the poor sods will have to undergo the Nosey Parker reviews those of us on JSA have to take every fortnight.

    Andrew Coates

    February 7, 2014 at 10:09 am

    • I’ll tell you something that WILL come to pass.

      If people in work have to be subjected to these Interviews – that’s when the general working public will realise they have been conned on a massive scale, no longer will you hear cries of ‘lazy scroungers’, because they will be classed as scrougers themselves.

      The Jobcentre advisers stress levels are about to go into orbit – I can see a police presence becoming standard and highly visible at all Jobcentres, and trust me they are seriously going to need them.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      February 7, 2014 at 10:47 am

      • I am not looking forward to this. Its the worst of both worlds: working your nuts off to barely scratch a living whilst being under the jobcentre’s intrusive watchful eye and being subject to their brutal sanctions regimes. Enough to made your head explode!

        Very Hard-working Single Parent

        February 7, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    • I actually have a way round this under current UC rules but im saving it for the millions until UC is rolled out (not going to give government a heads up).

      Like I said before

      LEARN THE MECHANISM,THEN FIND THE FAULTS.

      gaia

      February 7, 2014 at 2:55 pm

  11. The first question will probably be:

    I’m working so why do I have to attend the Jobcentre?

    The adviser will answer, explaining that the working tax credit you were claiming is now being replaced by Universal Credit.

    Under the provisions of universal credit you must attend weekly or fortnightly interviews with an adviser to make sure you are looking for a better paid job – at each interview you must bring proof of your jobsearch activities, failure to do this will result in what we call a sanction, a stoppage of any in work benefit…….

    You can imagine what will happen next!

    It will be at this point a lot of advisers bones will start getting broken, Jobcentres as we know them will cease to exsist and will be replaced by Warzone’s.

    G4S Security guards will abandon their posts due to a sense of self preservation and it will be left to the police to try and sort out the mess.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    February 7, 2014 at 11:43 am

    • Maybe we’ll see advisors breaking each others bone’s? Many JC+ workers are on part time contracts and will be claiming Tax Credits.

      I do hope so.

      Lucy

      February 7, 2014 at 12:00 pm

      • I’ll make you a small bet Lucy:

        I’ll bet that the DWP make it a condition that anyone working for the DWP/Jobcentres or any other government department on a low income are exempt from having to abide by the conditions of UC.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        February 7, 2014 at 12:18 pm

      • Good point Obi.

        There are said to be many people who work for the DWP and other civil servant jobs who get some form of benefit – their wages are so low.

        Andrew Coates

        February 7, 2014 at 4:38 pm

      • Obi, you are on!

        I have 1p here as my wager that the JC+ Advisors will be creating a terminal vortex of sanctions for themselves and bones will be broken.

        *prepares to wave goodbye to 1p bet*

        Lucy

        February 7, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    • Welcome to Warzone Plus!

      Warzone Plus

      February 7, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    • It wont Obi as you forget the government want a totally computerised system and that the only human interaction will be a call centre so other than a voice, their will be zero physical presence once UC is fully rolled out and established.

      gaia

      February 7, 2014 at 12:12 pm

      • I’m sorry Obi 😦 I can’t issue your Universal Credit 🙂

        HAL 9000

        February 7, 2014 at 12:20 pm

      • Not according to what I was watching on the daily politics, they are now wanting more face to face and one to one, so proper assesments can be done.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        February 7, 2014 at 12:21 pm

      • Don’t believe everything you here Obi as people cost more than computers. Computers don’t need to hear the H&S act, no taxation, no sick days,etc,etc.

        I don’t doubt their need an ATOS of sorts but even as we speak and for some time past people have been working on computerised doctors and believe it or not surgeons. This however is far from ready to work in society so we wont see them just yet.

        As for face to face interviews like today regarding what you did to find work, it can easily be done via computer much the same way messengers services work online currently.

        People don’t realise it but theirs currently many a what you believe is an human operator that’s actually a computer pretending to be. You can discern this by using off script comments currently.

        If anyone ever manages to solve P Vs NP, then your see a massive shift in technology that can easily do all of the above.

        gaia

        February 7, 2014 at 2:49 pm

      • Let at else where on gov.uk, Obi e.g. the DVLA – the DVLA have completed automated the issuing of driving licences, so why on earth would the DWP want to employ more of those useless desk-jockeys. JCP ‘advisers’ could be automated out of existence at the flick of a switch. I think an actual example of a the way another government agency has developed is a far better indicator of the way of the way another agency is heading. Why would the DVLA dispense with as much man/woman power as humanly possible but the DWP want to employ yet more of the useless they employ at the moment. Incidentally the DVLA system is a zillion time faster and more efficient than it used to be. Best to look as it as a series of process, and best it is to automate then. I would be shaking in my boots if I was a useless jobcentre desk-jockey at present.

        Automaton

        February 7, 2014 at 6:52 pm

      • Anyway, why are we so concerned at the prospect of JCP staff losing their jobs? … 🙂

        Automaton

        February 7, 2014 at 6:57 pm

  12. How would the DWP accomplish that though, Obi? The Secretary of State for Work and Pensions would have to re-write the Law of the Land!

    Retro S Pective

    February 7, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    • IDS breaks the law all the time! and so far is getting away with it.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      February 7, 2014 at 12:28 pm

      • Don’t forget that some civil servants were unaffected by the increase in retirement age for women that happened a few short years ago. Judges were also let off the hook on that one

        So when it comes to the civil service and rules, it seems that they can do what they want.

        Lucy

        February 7, 2014 at 2:12 pm

  13. Folks I see it like this if we are going to see any think move here we have to appeal to jobcentre work staff in a clear and present danger to not only our jobs but to their jobs it must be made perfectly clear to job centre staff egos and fear must be left at home on a daily bases or minute by minute full stop for every one person that sits in front of that desk weather its short term or long term unemployed. I know unions are all but name these days from a legal and lawful may I add stand point they have direct access to the correct information it must be made absolutely clear and as loud as possible when they have achieved direction from the government down to area managers and then down to local managers no matter what is said to them at some point jobcentre staff will be thinned out then the only people that will be left will be the brain dead ego testicular sacks off shit you will ever come across and will be on par with the SS they already think they cannot be touched living behind the positions and illusion of power that they do not have. Every single one of you who work in the job centre are being used its you who are being played here remember not a single minister will take the fall for you not one so why do their dirty work you are the ones who holds the power to set things right by not following bad orders and if pressure is being put on you you have options yes options the obvious is leave the f…ing job you have got skills office skills there are plenty of those jobs out there yes option number two is (Fight it) with the same amount of passion that you have so easily put on claimants for one I do not envy you and your position because when, and they will at some point thin that dwp plantation and when in the future you are ask about your old job you will hold your head in shame or you will brush it a side and say I was never part of that and I stood up for the poor man well there is only going to be a few who will be able to say that.so folks I think we as a small collective should be educating some of these people we cannot allow this dictatorship to run this country into the ground and if this universal credit comes into full effect and allowed to grow that will be it there will be nothing to fight for anymore we will be nothing more than bumbling idiots banging into each other in work lines pushed from shitty job to shitty job for the rest of our lives universal credit must at all cost be stopped. They came for the pensions they got that they came for the gold and they got that, then they went after legal aid and they got that coincidence, (They knew what they were doing?). Now they are coming for your benefits and they are going to get that too. Then they are coming for you.
    We need to appeal to the hearts and mind of these people we need to hit home to not just the individual who comes across sites like this one but to dwp/jcp staff and have them all read what we have to say good or bad..
    It’s funny didn’t they just go on strike for more pay don’t quote me… why not go on strike over universal credit know that’s worth striking for. Or work to rule?. The real rule.

    mick

    February 7, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    • Not being funny or anything, mick, but it would make your posts a lot more readable if you used paragraphs – just saying 🙂

      Batwoman

      February 8, 2014 at 9:54 am

      • That’s quite alright, I don’t mind you pointing it out. Being Dyslexic has a draw back in my mind i see things in pictures and those pictures become one and then that one picture comes out in a single story. And yes I use spell check in office. Lol
        Its something I try to remember but fail every time

        mick

        February 8, 2014 at 10:29 am

      • opps, mick didn’t see your reply before posting – soz 😦

        mick's grammar tutor

        February 8, 2014 at 10:53 am

    • Folks I see it like this: if we are going to see any thing move here we have to appeal to the staff who work in the Jobcentre that there is a clear and present danger to not only our jobs but to their jobs.

      It must be made perfectly clear to the job centre staffs egos, and fear must be left at home on a daily basis or minute by minute – full stop – for every one person that sits in front of that desk whether they are short-term or long-term unemployed.

      I know unions are all but name these days but from a legal and lawful perspective may I point out that they have direct access to the correct information, and it must be made absolutely clear and as loud as possible that they have being directed all the way down from the government to area managers and then down to local managers.

      No matter what is said to them, at some point Jobcentre staff will be thinned out; then the only people that will be left will be the most brain dead ego testicular sacks off shit you will ever come across, and who will be on a par with the SS. They already think they cannot be touched hiding behind their positions and the illusion of power that they do not have.

      Every single one of you who work in the Jobcentre is being used; it is you who are being played here. Remember not a single minister will take the fall for you – not one! So why do their dirty work? You are the ones who hold the power to set things right by not following bad orders. And if pressure is being put on you, you have options – yes options, the obvious one being to leave the fucking job. You have got skills – office skills, there are plenty of those jobs out there. Yes, option number two is – fight it, with the same amount of passion that you have so easily put on claimants.

      For one I do not envy you and your position because when in the future – and they will at some point thin that DWP plantation – you are asked about your old job you will hold your head in shame or you will brush it aside and say: “I was never part of that and I stood up for the poor man”. Well, there is only going to be a few who will be able to say that.

      So folks, I think us as a small collective should be educating some of these people. We cannot allow this dictatorship to run this country into the ground, and if this Universal Credit comes into full effect and is allowed to grow there will be nothing to fight for anymore. We will be nothing more than bumbling idiots banging into each other in work lines pushed from shitty job to shitty job for the rest of our lives. Universal Credit must be stopped at all cost!

      They came for the pensions – they got that. They came for the gold – and they got that. Then they went after legal aid and they got that too – coincidence? (They knew what they were doing?). Now they are coming for your benefits and they are going to get that too. Then they are coming for you!

      We need to appeal to the hearts and minds of these people; we need to hit home to not just the individual who comes across sites like this one but to DWP/JCP staff and have them all read what we have to say – good or bad..

      It’s funny – didn’t they just go on strike for more pay? Don’t quote me. Why not go on strike over Universal Credit – now that is worth striking for! Or work to rule?. The real rule!

      mick's grammar tutor

      February 8, 2014 at 10:49 am

  14. Wanna see IDS’s Universal Credit in action – then here it is:

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    February 7, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    • That’s a scary piece of shit, Obi.

      By way of light relief:

      Planet Smash

      February 7, 2014 at 10:05 pm

    • Would you get this ‘mushroom cloud’ effect elsewhere, say a city centre. Or is it only because they seem to always conduct these nuclear tests in the desert?

      Steven Hawking Phd

      February 8, 2014 at 11:30 am

      • Microsoft Sam says: “i.e. the ‘mushroom cloud’ is formed from dust. Would the dust/particulate level be sufficient in a city centre? Also, apparently it is the ‘mushroom effect’ (after the initial explosion) that has the most devastating effects since it disperses radioactive particle over a wide area.”

        Steven Hawking Phd

        February 8, 2014 at 11:34 am

  15. i now why i stopped typing my fingers were cold dont need to put the heating on now

    mick

    February 7, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    • Hey, look on the bright side mick, according to medical researchers recently, you wont get fat if your cold.

      gaia

      February 8, 2014 at 8:08 am

      • if thats the case i think i might need one of those usa style fridges to sit in for a while lol

        mick

        February 8, 2014 at 8:55 am

  16. Andrew Coates :
    Good point Obi.
    There are said to be many people who work for the DWP and other civil servant jobs who get some form of benefit – their wages are so low.

    As Lucy has said, about a 3rd of JCP staff are part-timers, so most will be claiming something, most of them on contracts which don’t get renewed until the very last minute to keep them all on their toes.
    As even they can’t produce jobs out of thin air, the only way they can up their game at contract-renewal time is more sanctions.

    As the flagship HMS UC is long sunk, this conditionality has instead been rolling out to JSA for months now. There must be 10s of thousands on it – including me. I have to ‘jobsearch’ everyday, sat, sun, xmas day, new years eve. I’m well qualified, meeting the conditions and it’s bleedin obvious I’m desperate for almost any paid employement and yet I’m being ‘incentivised’ by threats of a 1 year sanction – no mention of 4 weeks!

    Don’t forget the WTC problem, you have to work 30 hours a week to claim it, so working 17 to 29 hours you get nowt.

    I’m glad people are waking up at last. Something’s gonna blow Captain.

    JV’s done lots on the UC conditionality.
    http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/category/welfare-reform-2/universal-credit/

    Another Fine Mess

    February 7, 2014 at 6:24 pm

  17. gaia :

    so remind me again, how many working people/families claim child and or working tax credit again ?

    Without searching, I think it’s about 13 million excluding child benefit, and over 20 million including, so nearly everbody other than the 1%.

    Another Fine Mess

    February 7, 2014 at 6:39 pm

  18. “EU austerity: a spectacular failure for workers and democracy”

    http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2014/02/eu-austerity-a-spectacular-failure-for-workers-and-democracy

    Annos

    February 7, 2014 at 9:38 pm

  19. So to get this straight, if housing benefit / council tax benefit is included under universal credit, then if a claimant incl a p/t / low income worker is sanctioned they will lose their HB / CTB and therefore the roof over their heads, including in many cases their secure / assured tenancy in a hard-fought council / HA property ? That will be huge compared with the bedroom tax, and the ‘released’ properties will go straight to the Tory fatcat rich friends at hugely discounted prices, & be effectively privatised. What will they do with all the homeless ? And their bailiff friends will milk it chasing people for council tax arrears, with CTB no longer paid as it’s been sanctioned, adding many £100’s to people’s bills. Is that what’s going to happen ?

    whatabout

    February 8, 2014 at 12:31 am

    • Currently council tax isn’t included and in hindsight considering the date it only ever got mentioned why would they as if they did, a claimant would have a very reasonable excuse if they were up before a judge, WOULDNT THEY.

      To answer your question in full though, in a nutshell, yep

      So much for the TORY MANTRA of “WERE IN IT TOGETHER”.

      Food for weekend thought

      IF YOU CAN DISPROVE ONE THING A PERSON IN POWER SAYS, PEOPLE WILL QUESTION EVERYTHING ELSE THEY SAY.

      gaia

      February 8, 2014 at 8:46 am

  20. YOU JUST CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP,TORYS GIVE OUT YET MORE MISLEADING STATS, WAIT TILL YOU GET A LOAD OF THE DIFFERENCE

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26084167

    Yet again the tory government attempting to manipulate the math so as to deceive the UK public, is it not time to kick them out of government and let the Lib Dems finish the term.

    gaia

    February 8, 2014 at 7:57 am

    • I think you could be right to a degree the two main parties have had quite a while to get things done the old tricks of giving with one hand and taking away with the other has had its day if the public see it the same way and give LibDems the last shot before UKIP coming and giving us an unknown new direction my personal feeling is Conservatives and labour should never see power ever again Greed, wars, and poverty over and over again if LibDems F.ck it up That’s it. People have short memories and besides that people keep voting the same people in every time all they do is pick up from the last time and continue faster and harder MPs should only have one term in office then you can only be corrupt once in office or have a system that only works with positive works with no negative signs.

      mick

      February 8, 2014 at 9:28 am

      • The answer I feel isn’t a different party but more a different way of governance and luckly its actually possible now what with the advent of the net, something no party can deny, especially the Tories and Labour who have done nothing but bang on about technology since the last election.

        We could easily use ATM cash tills to have the public vote on everything important that a government does meaning for once in this damn life, we would witness true democracy and not a moment sooner if you ask me.

        Its also time to make politicians as answerable to criminal law during the course of their duty as UK citizens are, as this act of manipulation math/data is without doubt wilfully deceptive of the worse kind of criminal fraud. They didnt set out to con one or two people BUT 64.7 MILLION PEOPLE and that’s unforgivable and I don’t care which party had or is practicing this as it needs to stop.

        gaia

        February 8, 2014 at 10:59 am

      • Voting by ATM/TV remote control may sound OK in theory. But you have to bear in mind that 50% of the population are morons – the other 50% are Nazis. It would be the press, the the propagandists that would have the upper hand then; the formers of public opinion would have a field day. We would enter a right-wing fascist state: “Should the death penalty be introduced for benefit claimants?” “Press the “red button” to vote YES!!” “Press and hold “return” and “guide” for 20 seconds, then press “mute”, then turn your TV off for 20 minutes off for 20 minutes and back on again to vote no”. We are better of with “parliamentary democracy”, although arguable, at least it “forces a debate” – of sorts!

        Vox Pop

        February 8, 2014 at 11:12 am

      • Democracy is becoming a dirty word i watch prime ministers questions it’s a game of tennis a handful of questions for the opposition followed by self-praise and how wonderful the leading party is of fudging the figures.

        And then followed by the other side moaning, how could you do this to the people look how your policies have affected the good people who we represent with huge smiles or the look of concern.

        Questions are already answered on the prime ministers sheet. Notice how they always start by saying “Mr Speaker” noting the deflection and no responsibility it’s all in the words.
        It’s a big game at our expense and a Huge illusion.

        Batwomen 😉

        mick

        February 8, 2014 at 4:16 pm

  21. Well, I posted this a while back but by judging peoples replies on this recent post, that its time to post it once again as I strongly suggest you NEED to watch this if you haven’t already done so.

    gaia

    February 8, 2014 at 8:55 am

  22. Amie :
    Richard fucking Branson didn’t work his way up from anything. He was born with a silver spoon up his arse. He attended Stowe School – one of the most elitist educational establishments in the UK. His father was a barrister and his grandfather a senior High Court judge who sat on the Privy Council. Richard Branson is a bearded wanker who comes form a family of toffs.

    You’re absolutely right. For too long now, this beardy c*nt has been trading on a man-of-the-people image which he has no right to. He is not one of us and never will be. I mean his dad was a fucking Judge. And his mother’s family are another bunch of double-barrelled named wankers.

    jj joop

    February 8, 2014 at 10:15 am

    • Time for boycotting would you say jj joop?

      gaia

      February 8, 2014 at 11:01 am

      • You know it. Things are going to change real soon, just you wait.

        jj joop

        February 8, 2014 at 11:22 am

    • Hear, hear! 🙂

      Lord Billy Bragg

      February 8, 2014 at 11:20 am


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