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Is Seetec the new A4e?

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Seetec (South East Essex TEchnology Centre) is a relatively local “training” organisation that has become a significant workfare player in recent years. Their wikipedia page states their success of seeking 4,417 benefit sanctions to “Work Programme conscripts” in just a single week. They use the Provider Direct sanction hotline more than any other provider.

No need for an introduction on A4e (or A4e Emma Harrison CBE for that matter) – once the largest prime contractor provider for the flagship New Deal programme; riddled with continuous fraud allegations and just as many cover ups. A4e’s fortunes have recently taken a tumble for the worse (although they have picked up a little) although Australia looks a good market for them, their home market and European markets are in large decline. A4e have been trying hard to break into the emerging Indian market without much overwhelming success.

Private Eye seems to suggest A4e will make a come back for workfare contracts but with news of the Government finally deciding water cannons are needed for protests – its likely they are anticipating political trouble regarding further rounds of cuts – and of course anti-workfare campaigners also.

Seetec in figures

2011

2012

2013

Cash £30,766,853 £32,905,778 £37,901,000
Net Worth £16,076,426 £19,997,649 £22,991,673
Current Liabilities £23,134,182 £18,084,922 £21,769,623
Current Assets £36,489,350 £36,187,548 £42,646,175

Note: general increase in cash, net worth and assets.

A4e in figures

2011

2012

2013

Cash £44,819,000 £4,023,000 £7,312,000
Net Worth £6,088,000 £-3,394,000 £-12,961,000
Current Liabilities £72,783,000 £30,658,000 £28,243,000
Current Assets £70,953,000 £21,348,000 £28,649,000

Note: Big decline in all since 2011 to 2013 (the latest publicly available). The lower figure for liabilities is the only positive aspect. In red are minus figures.

CCJs

Both Seetec and A4e have CCJs.

A4e CCJ

Date Court Amount Status Case Number Date Paid
02/10/2013 BRADFORD £25,919 Judgement

3BD01307

07/03/2010 NORTHAMPTON CCBC £732 Satisfied

0QT18116

15/04/2010

Seetec CCJ

Date Court Amount Status Case Number Date Paid
20/06/2012 NORTHAMPTON CCMCC £10,245 Judgement

2YJ60625

Credit Score

You might be aware CCJs affect credit score – both companies have significant enough cash just to write off the CCJs to improve their credit scores (I doubt banks etc. care so when you have a Government contract but still rather significant).

A4e

Seetec

44
(3 star)
Security Required

90
(5 star)
Very Good

Improved from 27 (2 star) just this month

Improved from 66 (4 star) last year

Current Max Recommended Credit Limit: £60,000 Current Max Recommended Credit Limit:£1,750,000 (up from £1,250,000)

Negative Factors:

Decrease in Sales
Significant Value CCJs
91% cash decrease
155% net worth decrease
54% decline in assets
114% decline in pre-tax profits

Negative Factors:

Decrease in Sales
CCJs

Conclusion

A4e are far from dead, A4e could be indeed enslaving you on one of the fulltime workfare come April… however, its a scandal how A4e were allowed to keep their Work Programme contracts (and OLASS) with such a poor credit score. A4e is still a significant medium sized company but for me a 2 star credit score and £60,000 credit limit after looking at the last years accounts recently published, despite looking bad, is still not performing too terrible in the grand scheme of things…. this rating obviously shows potential concern of this organisation (potentially the fraud allegations and investigations), its ability to secure contracts and to perform without losing too much of the money being taken away from them as BBC News details.

Seetec could indeed pick up more contracts, and absorb A4e’s if needs be… but sanction happy Seetec is a major concern. Just short of 4500 sanction doubts in one week with a total client base of just over 70k to date(?). Of course Seetec is not short of controversy either on the whole welfare-to-work fraud front… Work Choice amongst many of their contracts have raised concerns regarding fraud.

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  1. SEETEC have a very bad reputation in Ipswich from everyone you meet.

    Mind you their boss is raking it in: didn’t he award himself a couple of million (or more) for his ‘work’?

    Andrew Coates

    January 30, 2014 at 12:43 pm

  2. I remember opting in for an non-mandatory course at seetec before (you know forced on to you by the jobcentre but you can leave without sanctions)… above the manpower agency in town (if I recall correctly). It was just sitting in a classroom (like YMCA Training) that happened to be like a main room lobby, a few ancient computers around the sides, if you were lucky, to one side was a drinks machine (free but only available on breaks) near toilets I believe, and the opposite end was a couple of small meeting rooms (might just have been one).

    I was told there was funding and training available (not the mandatory programmes kind) so it was a no brainer to go along… of course, the funding never materialised and as part of the agreement to get on the training courses and funding for it, was to attend for a minimum amount of hours.

    I left the course when I sussed out that by both being observant and talking to others who have been there months, that the courses and funding was absolute lies. There was ESF funding for people under policy – just no access to it. I never went back.

    Whether or not it was Seetec decision to deceive and not apply anyone for the funding, or the Jobcentre/DWP instructions not to, is unknown.

    I haven’t heard a good word about Seetec – I know a few staff from TNG went there, as did one from YMCA Training. Whether they kept their jobs there I dont know. There is one person working there (not sure if an advisor or manager, probably the former) always smoking in the doorway, giving a rather bad reputation; then there is clients sometimes queued outside either side of the door, obscuring the agency’s window, awaiting to the last second to go in to an appointment.

    Have they released any local figures of how many people on Seetecs books have gone into sustainable employment?

    Universal Jobmatch

    January 30, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    • I was always told that SEETEC stood for
      South East Essex Training And Enterprise Council
      I was misinformed

      Philip

      January 30, 2014 at 3:13 pm

      • I have heard it being referred to as:
        South East Essex Training And Enterprise Centre

        Perhaps no one knows anymore.

        I could be wrong above!

        Even themselves refer to “Seetec Group Ltd” – on their website too – there is absolutely no such company.

        http://www.lifeinthemix.info/2012/03/seetec-group-ltd-work-programme-exist/
        http://www.insideview.com/directory/seetec-group-ltd

        Universal Jobmatch

        January 30, 2014 at 3:26 pm

      • I have heard it referred to as Southern Holistic Intensive Training Executive… 🙂

        Berni

        January 30, 2014 at 6:16 pm

      • It is South East Essex Training and Enterprise Council. I attended the Work Programme at SEETEC, Romford, Essex and the programme was total shit.

        The recently newly appointed manager in there(I know someone still on it) was a complete creep who spent all his time sniffing around the then manager who found a Job elsewhere.

        He apparently now sits at the top desk in the office and looks over his domain. What a complete creep.

        spidersweb42

        January 30, 2014 at 6:29 pm

      • I heard they started out doing company training courses in basic computer use etc.

        They saw the opportunity to get on the gravy train with the original new Deal and have been living well off public money ever since.

        Andrew Coates

        January 31, 2014 at 6:26 pm

  3. Let’s see what happen’s in April when the DWP stop paying referral fee’s (JSA/ESA Claimants) for anyone being sent on the work programme – non of the providers will want to know anymore.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    January 30, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    • Yeah, then they’ll just climb on to the CWP wagon and start raking it in all over again; the mothers! Incidentally, when I was on the WP at Cambridge, we used to call them SHITEC.

      jj joop

      January 30, 2014 at 6:51 pm

      • When I was at A4E in 2002 there were lifesize portraits of Emma (Dogface) Harrison with that concrete cracking smile all over the building, a truly disgusting sight at anytime!

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        January 30, 2014 at 6:57 pm

      • I used to call SEETEC, Romford, Essex, SHITTEC

        spidersweb42

        January 30, 2014 at 8:29 pm

      • I bet it was. I remember her on television every week saying how her father who believed in helping people to work for him had inspired her to set up A4e to assist the unemployed and how it was a personal passion of hers.

        What a fraudster.

        spidersweb42

        January 30, 2014 at 8:31 pm

  4. Sycophantic Excuses for Entities, Tracking Every Claimant
    Soup Extra, Even Though Expired Centuries-ago
    Starvation, Espionage, Extortion, Terrorism, Empire-Creation
    Swamp-Evolved Extra-Terrestrial Emotionless Clones
    Save Essex from Evil Tyrants Exploiting Citizens
    Sadistic Egotistical Etonians Trampling Every Charter

    something survived...

    January 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm

  5. If theirs one thing I have learned, is that theirs always more than one way to skin a cat.

    They exploit claimants because they make it so easy for them to do so. As loyal to the cause I am, its hard to stave off apathy for fellow claimants when their just not prepared to help themselves.

    In my day, it was all about self sufficiency, before I was around 16 my father had taught me how to maintain an entire house bar bricklaying yet today and not to many decades past dew to hapless education and the system we now find ourselves with fathers by far and large only capable of teaching a child how to pick up a phone and rely on someone else.

    Take this topic here today, add all the DWP schemes, training and what not, but this time think, FUNDING.

    Just as any worker, if they aint getting paid, they aint interested, take for instance pandemic benching on the WP being a prime example what with the initial payment and funding all taped out, all they could do was take a cost saving approach what with being tied into a 2 year contract.

    Take this 4417 figure for seeking sanctions, most will think its the provider following a DWP directive but the truth is irrespective, it saves the provider money.

    To them its money, money, money so its here you hurt them as believe it or not, by far and large DWP aren’t funding the majority of all of what they do and have ABSOLUTELY NO POWER OVER IT.

    From the European social fund to SFA, they milk them all yet claim impunity but heres the thing, the circumstance must be eligible. So THINK about what your signing, what their implying you need, why after DWP have already spilled your personal data guts that they still ask for proof of benefit, as without you the claimant, they have nothing.

    gaia

    February 2, 2014 at 9:45 am

    • “LEARN THE MECHANISM, THEN FIND THE FAULTS”.

      gaia

      February 2, 2014 at 10:06 am

    • “They exploit claimants because they make it so easy for them to do so. As loyal to the cause I am, its hard to stave off apathy for fellow claimants when their just not prepared to help themselves.”

      gaia:

      I totally agree with your comments, particularly the above. I came off the WP in three months ago and the number of claimants I met like the ones you describe were legion. If you try to help them, they’ll just drag you down with into their pit of despair and utter helplessness. And they’ll fuck you up, good. You just avoid them. Yeah, I know, it’s a shitty thing to say. But their are some people you just can’t help. And lets face it, our fellow claimants aside, we’ve all met people like this at some point in our lives. They’re the walking dead.

      jj joop

      February 2, 2014 at 10:29 am

      • How many times have we all sat in a room of say 30 wp victims. They pass round the Data Protection Act waiver to sign and how many victims sign it? 29 🙂 Same with the jobcentre – their victims just seem to dutifully sign anything that is put in front of them like some drugged up, spaced-out, retarded, lobotomist brain-dead zombie. These people are too far gone – they can’t be helped.

        The Walking Dead

        February 3, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    • What’s that about wp providers asking you bring ‘proof of identity’ to initial appointment – what if you don’t?

      Beanie

      February 3, 2014 at 12:54 pm

      • Just take your appointment letter.

        jj joop

        February 5, 2014 at 5:22 pm

  6. “How secure do you feel” ?

    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/no-guaranteed-way-to/895160.html

    This is why claimants MUST NOT no matter the DWP tactic display their personal and or sensitive data online.

    YES: they can direct a claimant to open a UJM account BUT
    NO: They cant force a claimant to part with his or hers personal and or sensitive data as its your inalienable right to decide, to consent if you so wish or not if the case may be without fear of prosecution.

    Definition of inalienable right (nice simple slide show)

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_inalienable_rights#slide=1&article=What_are_inalienable_rights

    HERES TO A BRIGHTER FUTURE, AN ENLIGHTENED FUTURE

    gaia

    February 2, 2014 at 10:23 am

  7. Workfare is psychological RAPE!! Workfare forces, manipulates and coerces its victims into doing something they wouldn’t ordinarily do. Workfare strips its victims of their free will. Workfare is brutal. Workfare demeans, belittles and soils its victims. Workfare is traumatic and distressing. Workfare is psychological RAPE!!!!!!

    Wo/men AGAINST WORKFARE!!

    February 2, 2014 at 8:19 pm

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    deepak ludhiarich

    February 3, 2014 at 12:09 pm

  9. Workfare robs human beings of their dignity. Workfare siphons off human beings self-esteem. Workfare destroys human beings self-respect. Workfare KILLS the human spirit. Workfare is PURE FUCKING EVIL!!!!!!!!!!

    Campaign for the Abolition of Workfare!!

    February 3, 2014 at 4:34 pm

  10. The Walking Dead :
    How many times have we all sat in a room of say 30 wp victims. They pass round the Data Protection Act waiver to sign and how many victims sign it? 29 Same with the jobcentre – their victims just seem to dutifully sign anything that is put in front of them like some drugged up, spaced-out, retarded, lobotomist brain-dead zombie. These people are too far gone – they can’t be helped.

    I’ve was there, two and a half years ago. There was 15 of us. I was the only one who didn’t sign the waivers. Notice I say waivers, plural. Seetec, the sneaky fuckers, tried to get me to sign their in-house waiver, as well as the official one. Needless to say, I was parked for the next two years.

    jj joop

    February 5, 2014 at 9:25 am

    • Indeed jj joop, and how many who have UJM accounts have uploaded a CV and filled in the profile with their personal and or sensitive data ?

      How many believe DWP cant have access while completely missing the fact of

      1: What is a data controller and;
      2: Who is the data controller

      As you know currently, DWP is not entitled to know your phone number, email address, CV, yet by way of UJM and the driven home careers register, all but a few are parting with it without realizing the consequences, without realizing DWP have already switched from looking at your presented evidence to tracking your activity

      UJM TOOLKIT CHAPTER 3; POINT 25

      Now this activity is set at 35 hours a week so a few self questioning needs to be thought about

      1: irrespective of any reasoning, do you currently jobsearch 35 hours a week, that’s 5 hours a day, seven days a week or 7 hours a day, 5 days a week and;

      2: Can you prove it ?

      Even though currently bar UC claimants, claimants aren’t being sanctioned for it, the evidence is being gathered as individuals and as a whole (datasets). All I see in the not to distant future is an awful lot of claimants getting slam dunked.

      gaia

      February 5, 2014 at 10:47 am

    • Same here, I was the only one who refused to sign mine as well, the adviser tried to flannel everyone else by saying i would get sanctioned if i didn’t sign the waiver forms, so i asked him to show me the DWP legislation or even the private provider work programme guidance from the DWP that say’s i will be sanctioned if i don’t sign. In sort he couldn’t.

      Just before i finished my 2 years at Ingeus they tried to get me to sign the forms again, I said you already have my answer – DON’T ASK AGAIN or i will report you to my MP.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      February 5, 2014 at 8:51 pm

  11. A news article on Seetec’s ethics…

    At Sheila Holt’s home in Rochdale, Lancs, her sister Linda fetches a letter. It’s to Sheila from Seetec, a private company paid a bonus every time it gets someone on benefits into work.

    “We hope that all the activities or training intervention completed so far has not only supported you to achieve your aspirations but has moved you closer to the job market,” Linda reads, her eyes filling with tears.

    “You will shortly enter the second stage of your Intensive Job-Focussed Activity.”

    Sheila, 47, has been in a coma in hospital since December 17, but she is still receiving letters from Atos and Seetec, contracted by the Department for Work and Pensions.

    “They’re still hounding Sheila even now,” Linda says.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/department-work-pensions-put-girl-3135341

    Still, last July Sheila was told by the DWP she was now being placed in the Work Related Activity Group of disability benefit claimants – and must now attend the Work Programme. Linda wrote on Sheila’s form that “it is extremely important Sheila doesn’t experience stressful situations”.

    But, in August, her sister was allocated a “Groundwork” placement in Middleton, two bus rides away in rush hour.

    “She just couldn’t cope,” Linda, a reflexologist, says. “She was terrified.”

    When Ken went to visit Sheila on December 5, she was so agitated that he took her straight to A&E. The following day, she was sectioned, and on December 17 she suffered a massive heart attack at the psychiatric unit.

    Staff fought to save her life, but her brain was starved of oxygen for around 30 minutes.

    The family has written to the DWP to say they can see “a clear link between the extreme anxiety caused to her by having to attend numerous meetings with workplace advisers and the decline in her mental health”.

    In intensive care, doctors induced a coma. “Sheila has a very severe hypoxic brain injury,” Linda says. “She has never fully regained consciousness.”

    She last wrote to Seetec to tell them about Sheila’s condition on January 17 – but she received yet another letter asking her to comply with the programme on January 30.

    Being in a coma doesn’t seem an exception for Seetec to stop bullying her into achieving a job outcome.

    (posted in response to a users comment on another thread)

    Universal Jobmatch

    February 12, 2014 at 7:51 pm

    • I cannot comprehend how low these pariahs will go to get their money. They have absolutely no compassion for people and are unable to administer anything other than submitting paperwork for money.

      MONEY! MONEY! MONEY! is all they are interested in.

      spidersweb42

      February 13, 2014 at 5:21 pm

  12. After reading all these comments I think it is fair to say that SEETEC are milking the cow and have been allowed to continue defrauding the Workfare system.
    I learned about this company after having an interview with them a few months ago. I was passionately interested and still am in helping many into work, from all backgrounds. The man that interviewed me was quite direct and stated, ‘I personally do not care about wrapping these people up in cotton wool, they’ve had 2 years of that with the job centre( btw if you have been signing on for 2yrs and the job centre cannot find you work then you will be sent to companies like seetec) all I care about are the figures, I am a money man and my boss is the same’, it my job to make them turn up or I will get their benefits sanctioned, simple as.”

    One interview question I was asked was…..Where would you source employment for individuals from?. I stated I would delve into what the individuals aspirations were first and progress from their. For example if they were interested in fashion, a reputable retail company or boutique would be a start. At that point I was shot down and was told NO NO NO.
    I waited for an explanation or I was going to ask myself. The man went on to say charities only or volunteer work, mainstream employment is not serving the community. I thought well they are not on probation, this is not a Community Service Programme.

    My thoughts were fuck this what on earth are they getting paid for. I KNOW FUCK ALL!!! I was offered the job and refused to take it as I did not want my credentials tied to their farce of a company.

    Rachael

    June 12, 2014 at 7:43 pm

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