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Universal Credit Hits New Problems.

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The Guardian reported a few days ago,

Equipping benefit claimants with the digital and financial skills to use the government’s new universal credit welfare system is likely to cost hundreds of millions of pounds, unpublished research commissioned by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has found.

The study, carried out by three London councils using DWP data and a methodology agreed with Whitehall officials, found they would each need to spend about £6m over a two-year period to support vulnerable claimants to get online, help them open bank accounts and manage monthly budgets.

The research, seen by the Guardian, , reveals the extent to which socially excluded claimants will struggle with the huge cultural and behavioural changes demanded by universal credit, and warns that without help, those who fail to get to grips with the new welfare system will face debts, arrears and eviction, leading to a rise in homelessness.

It suggests councils, charities and private companies will be required to deliver millions of hours of specialist training and support face-to face and over the telephone to ensure claimants are confident and technically proficient enough to use the system.

Around one in 10 users of the system are likely to need intensive or ongoing support, it finds.

It is no surprise that this seems to be leading to what posters on Ipswich Unemployed Action have noticed as increasing local burdens for local authorities and various ‘bodies’ concerned with the unemployment.

We confidently predict that the unemployment business will be involved.

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Written by Andrew Coates

November 27, 2013 at 12:14 pm

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  1. Esther McVey: The first set of official statistics on UC caseloads has been pre-announced for release on 3 December and we will publish the available information at this point. Release dates are shown on UK National Statistics website:
    http://unemploymentmovement.com/forum/universal-credit/7838-official-stats-for-uc-to-be-released-december-3rd#30143

    Ed

    November 27, 2013 at 12:36 pm

  2. One of the main concerns is that Housing Benefit will be paid dictrectly to claimants.

    What will happen if that person is sanctioned?

    Davey Jone

    November 27, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    • Good question “Davey Jone”

      As has been said many times on this site recently, a sanctioned person will be able to maintain an existing and legitimate Housing Benefit claim as a Nil Income claimant, although that person will also be subject to an “automatic” interview with the Customer Compliance (Fraud) Team at the Jobcentre to see how they have maintained themselves during the sanction period.

      Mind you, sanctions can last for three years now, so in that case, or in a case where a claimant signs off for a longish period to escape all the Jobcentre harassment, it is going to be mighty difficult to prove how you are surviving on Nil Income!

      It is going to be difficult for the unemployed and the sick to survive at all from now on!!

      Tobanem

      November 27, 2013 at 7:09 pm

      • Also note, if sanctions victims have to rely on food banks, the food bank will not pay the gas bill etc…

        Some people have even been given food from food banks when they have no means to cook it!

        And I’m assuming you are still surviving the “fraud squad” interviews while starving and freezing to death in your unheated house still on Housing Benefit as a Nil Income claimant!

        Despicable.

        Tobanem

        November 28, 2013 at 9:25 am

    • I think that this may be the explosion of the homeless population in the uk and mass MWA conscription on the threat on “no free labour, no home.”

      Reasons for sanctions doubts are about the only thing that JCP seem to be capable of finding for anyone lately. I was initially given an agreement to visit the JC every few months and have regular phone reviews in order to track my progress, the last few weeks I’ve attended every fortnight. I’ve got a meeting on 13th December with the post WP hit squad, it may be the last time they see me alive. I’m coming to the end of my mortgage protection insurance, I sign on to claim it but there’s no help with anything that will help with moving forwards.

      Everytime I go in now there’s bullying on tap, no matter how much I do it’s never enough. I started college in September on the agreement that I’d be training towards a new skill, now three months in they want to me to stop – doing so would leave me saddled with a £3000+ debt to pay.

      The only thing the hit squad want me to do is work for free. How is that going to get me (or anybody) into a paid job? Being on ESA for epilepsy (which lost me my job in the first place) has turned my life upside down.

      Just when things start to pick up IDS employees kick you back down.

      Chris

      November 28, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    • You Make An Immediate Nil Income Statement @ Your Local Authority And Ask For The Payment To Be Made Direct To Your Landlord. Nil Income Statement Must Be Filed If Sanctioned.

      Philip

      November 28, 2013 at 12:54 pm

  3. What You Should Know. Recently I was informed that I would now be signing at wpp in Ipswich. Well today I find out that SEETEC and PAPWORTH signers now have too go back and sign at Jobcentre Plus. SEETEC inside door A and Papworth in Door C. Don’t know what’s going on. If I can find out I’ll let you all know.

    zefiros85100

    November 28, 2013 at 11:03 am

  4. Does this mean that SEETEC and Papworth are installed in Jobcentre Plus?

    They are talking about privatising the Job centres.

    Andrew Coates

    November 28, 2013 at 11:31 am

    • Seetec rent an annex of Cambridge JCP on Chesterton Road as their WP office. A JCP adviser uses one of their work stations so they can sign people at Seetec while they’re on the WP.

      jj joop

      November 28, 2013 at 7:58 pm

      • See my post numbers #10 and #12 on the subject of being signed at wpp. This has now gone back to the Jobcentres but signing in different areas for different wpp’s . Looks like segregated signings etc

        Philip

        November 29, 2013 at 9:23 am

  5. Not exactly Mr Coates, I too went to a group meeting at Ipswich Jobcentre, we were told then and given new signing books that we would be signed on at our providers. SEETEC at SEETEC. PAPWORTH TRUST/INGEUS at Papworth trust. The signers from JCP were on site at Papworth from 10:45 to 12;45 on regular signing days. Today I have been told that now we go and sign at Silent Street [Again]. This time though. The JCP signers will take signers booklets to the left handside of the reception desks inside door A. PAPWORTH signers go to door C on Silent Street. Was told this is just for now and things could change again in the New Year. Nobody knows whats’s going on, If I can find out anymore on Tuesday when I sign WITHOUT getting sanctioned I will.
    Sorry I cant be of anymore help here today

    philip

    November 28, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    • They seem to be a mess.

      This is not the first thing that’s happened.

      Andrew Coates

      November 28, 2013 at 12:44 pm

      • I’ll Try And Find Out If I Can. But That Is Only If I Won’t Get Sanctioned

        Philip

        November 28, 2013 at 12:52 pm

  6. I am in ‘SHOCK’ – I went to sign on today (the Jobcentre was heaving as usual) and to my amazement I got a really decent adviser. I sat down went through my jobsearch with him including printouts and he said “that’s the best jobsearch I’ve seen all week, no problems there, sign on and off you go”.

    I’m in disbelief!

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 28, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    • Hi Obi

      Have you completed the new Claimant Commitment yet? Read this:

      http://www.wigantoday.net/news/local/prove-jobs-hunt-to-claim-your-benefits-1-6280610

      Tobanem

      November 28, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    • Lets just hope their as nice on the last signing time before Christmas ?

      gaia

      November 29, 2013 at 8:30 am

      • Interesting question about Christmas.

        I wonder whether the new strict claimant commitment will oblige Jobseekers to seek work on Christmas day? People have reported being sanctioned for not seeking work on Christmas day in the past!

        The new claimant commitment is so severe that most Jobcentre Advisors are unlikely to praise Jobseekers for their diligent efforts to find work; the new commitment is too useful as a sanctions weapon for attacking the unemployed – and that’s it only intention!

        Tobanem

        November 29, 2013 at 10:03 am

    • At least it was not a dream, or do the know something we have yet too find out !

      Philip

      November 29, 2013 at 9:26 am

  7. Sorry for the hijack but does any one know how long the DWP get to process an internal review of an foi?

    cheers

    growls

    November 28, 2013 at 6:25 pm

  8. Don’t know if anyone else have had this put to them yet but my advisor told me this week that applications to jobs outside of 90 min travel doesn’t count towards your job evidence.

    The logic offered was how will you fund travel until paid, not how will you eat, heat and all the slightly more important stuff required to oh I don’t know, KEEP BREATHING.

    Incase this happens to others please bare this in mind

    The rules state you must be prepared to look for and travel to any job within 90 min travel time BUT it does NOT state you cant look further a field so as to increase your chances of seeking employment.

    The logic is as follows

    For a start train fares have next to little to do with distance travelled and considerations such as amount of passengers, number of runs, how direct a route to name but a few things.

    Now a national min job pays £44.17 a day for 7 hours work (the norm as breaks aren’t paid for).

    (using midlands as central point so as to reflect an average price)

    A train from stockport to derby (43 miles, trains average 90 min travel time,meaning dependant on train could be 10 min extra or less) costs £49.50 a day anytime travel if getting to work before 9am.

    A train from derby to dudley (40 miles, trains within 90 min travel time) costs £17.40 a day anytime travel if getting to work before 9am.

    A train from peterborough to derby (56 miles, trains within 90 min travel time) costs £32.50 a day anytime travel if getting to work before 9am.

    A train from bedford to derby (94 miles, trains within 90 min travel time) costs £83.50 a day anytime travel if getting to work before 9am.

    Prices gained from following link: use the change journey to test your area.

    http://www.thetrainline.com/buytickets/combinedmatrix.aspx?Command=TimeTable#Journey/PBO/DBY/29/11/13/10/0/Dep/29/11/13/17/0/Dep/1/0//0;0;0

    I do so love the bull they come out with, DONT YOU ?

    gaia

    November 29, 2013 at 10:19 am

    • To add credence im going to include train journeys outside of this 90 min.

      A train from gloucester to derby (76 miles and the train journey time of 2hrs 40 min) costs £65.00 a day anytime travel if getting to work before 9am.

      A train from chester to derby (67 miles, trains time of 1hr 51) costs £43.00 a day anytime travel if getting to work before 9am.

      A train from liverpool to derby (73 miles, trains time of 2hrs 50 min) costs £61.50 a day anytime travel if getting to work before 9am.

      Lastly as dependant on your jobs start time you could be within the 90 min mark.

      If you need to be at work for 9am a train from derby to luton (97 miles, train time of 1hrs 24 min) costs £134.50.

      If you need to be at work for 10am a train from derby to luton (97 miles, train time of 1hrs 46 min to 1hrs 58min) costs £134.50.

      http://www.thetrainline.com/buytickets/combinedmatrix.aspx?Command=TimeTable#Journey/LUT/DBY/29/11/13/11/0/Dep/29/11/13/17/0/Dep/1/0//0;0;0

      Lets see DWP talk their way round this ?

      gaia

      November 29, 2013 at 10:56 am

    • Train journey’s – assuming there are no leaf’s on the tracks – oops you’re only way of getting to work on time has now been cancelled!

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      November 29, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    • If the job interview would involve an overnight stay, then the JobCentre will fund the traveling costs. It’s called the “Travel To Interview Scheme”.

      Although you might not want to relocate, should you get an interview for a job, the JCP advisor has to fill in a ton of paperwork to apply for the funding (one complained to me about how many forms he had to fill in).

      Daniel

      December 2, 2013 at 1:13 am

  9. In Ipswich It Can Take Upto 90 Mins To Cross Town By Bus Sometimes, The Train Services Are C–p And Often Delays. The Fares Are Expensive Too.

    Merrick

    November 29, 2013 at 10:57 am

    • I hear you Merrick but DWP rely only on predicted public transport times, it appears they don’t even factor in the time needed to walk to a stop or station.

      This said you can still force them to have to acknowledge your walking time as they do if the job is within walking distance (ie local,5.2 miles) and we all know unless you’ve got a car or bike that everyone has to walk to get to public transport and from this to your place of work.

      For me for instance if im not working locally all the buses for my area going out start from the bus station which is 15min to walk to or as you say have to wait the usual ten min lateness on the bus arriving, then another 5 to get to the bus station except now its costs me £1.50 to achieve the same travel time. I cant realistically get a bus to the train station (it takes longer by bus believe it or not so that takes 10 min to walk to and another 8 to 10 mins just to purchase a ticket let alone be out on the right platform.

      gaia

      November 29, 2013 at 11:24 am

  10. Gaia, The walking time is if it’s a {warm] dry day. What happens if it’s lashing it down, road works and leaves on the line. They won’t count that at all {sic}.

    Merrick

    November 29, 2013 at 11:45 am

    • Common sense, not something DWP practice the last time I checked Merrick.

      The truth is when talking walking is the speed is relative to

      1: Leg size
      2: Condition of legs
      3: Corners engaged while traveling
      4: Hills both incline and decline
      5: Obstructions
      6: Condition of respiratory system
      7: Condition of heart
      8: Diet

      I could go on but as you and others can clearly see their is no one pace for all humans, its result is dependant on the individual and their circumstances so even the argument of the average which is 3.6 MPH is rather mute if used.

      gaia

      November 29, 2013 at 12:02 pm

      • Thanks Gaia. I’ve told them that I have a Heart Murmur And Asthma. This Was Passed To My Wpp, I Now Have Too Go On A Cognitive Behaviour Course To Discuss My ” Issues”. This Despite being Under Two Hospitals. Addenbrooke’s In Cambridge And Heath Road In Ipswich.

        Merrick

        November 29, 2013 at 12:06 pm

      • Mathematically, the distance you travel is the speed multiplied by the time.

        For that matter, the speed you do is calculated by dividing the distance by the time.

        The time of any journey you take is the distance divided by the speed!

        As you say “gaia”, people are physically different and have different walking performances.

        But walking is not the only form of transport, so it is logically absurd for the DWP to specify a fixed 90 minutes travelling time without reference to the involved, and hence to the speed and type of your transport.

        But then, everything at the DWP is logically absurd these days anyway!

        You cannot talk about travelling to work by mentioning time only – given that time, distance and speed are inextricably linked together mathematically!

        Tobanem

        November 29, 2013 at 12:18 pm

      • CBT course eh, you do know or I hope they know this can be done over the internet or through a book, what a monumental waste of the taxpayers money sending someone to see a person so they can try and frig with how your brain processes its signals as that’s precisely what Cognitive psychology is about if you or others are unaware, its also one of the methods employed by Darren brown the illusionist to trick people ?

        gaia

        November 29, 2013 at 12:39 pm

      • Will let you know what happens

        Merrick

        November 29, 2013 at 1:11 pm

  11. Should have mentioned this has been booked for a pre determined date in January. Wpp has organised a group session. This is a MANDATED appointment.

    Merrick

    November 29, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    • Out of interest Merrick, how did your WPP go about putting you on this CBT, did they send you to a doctor first, who exactly said you have issues and mandated this course of treatment.

      I have heard claimants being asked to fill out wellbeing forms asking how they feel, did this happen maybe ?

      Do you feel you have issues, does your own GP agree with this finding ?

      gaia

      November 30, 2013 at 10:44 am

      • Hello Gaia. No we were ”invited” to our WPP to be told of some possible upcoming placements, then ANYBODY with health problems has been mandated to the CBT group session in January. My GP has got me under the hospital for multiple benign tumours internally and externally. This is a genetic disorder but WPP has decided I have ”issues”. I don’t I am 56 years old and I’ve got by with out these interfering sods for 56 years. I am not going too let these bastards start now.

        Merrick

        November 30, 2013 at 11:00 am

      • Thanks for getting back to me Merrick as I fail to understand how they can mandate it when only a qualified GP or shrink can say whether or not you have mental issues to coin a phrase. If no such qualified authority did then to suggest this to you to put it bluntly is a defamatory comment. You might want to see if you can get it in writing or record them if verbally given (don’t tell them your recording) why they feel you should attend it and after receiving it threaten them if no qualified source can be indentified with civil action as once you have been on it they cant remove their original statement making them thus even more concretely liable.

        It would be worth hearing from others being made to attend these CBTs so more can be known as to how they are getting away with it. Im sure if you didn’t go the sanction would read that you failed to follow direction but what actually needs the attention is WHY WAS THE DIRECTION GIVEN IN THE FIRST PLACE, HOW DID THEY ARRIVE AT THAT POINT.

        DONT EVER ATTACK YOUR ENEMY HEAD ON,FLANK UM AND ATTACK THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND ATTACK THE WEAKEST STRINGS FIRST WHICH INTURN WILL WEAKEN OTHERS UNTILL THE WHOLE HOUSE OF CARDS FALLS. IT WORKS IN WAR, WORKS IN BUSINESS AND WILL NATURALLY WORK IN LIFE TO.

        gaia

        November 30, 2013 at 1:05 pm

  12. 5 benefit changes the government don’t want you to know about.

    Threats to take away children from families is a new low for the coalition government’s war on benefit claimants.

    1. Disabled people denied a key benefit have had their right to appeal reduced.

    2. Long-term sick people are having their benefits sanctioned … for being sick.

    3. 50,000 disabled people are being cut out of work.

    4. There’s now a one-year limit on hundreds of thousands of people’s sickness benefit.

    5. Eviction letters are now including veiled threats to remove people’s children.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/11/5-benefit-changes-government-dont-want-you-know-about

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 29, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    • Thanks Obi, it’s a really good article.

      Andrew Coates

      November 29, 2013 at 5:17 pm

      • “Obi Wan Kenobi” – Full on Comment – ‘Actual’

        The ‘Force’ will all-ways be with us, for all Freedom Fighters against benefit oppression – Always!

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        November 30, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    • If They Tried To Take Peoples Children Away Or Deny Benefits To Those That Cannot Work Because They Are Sick,Know Wonder They Want A Referendum On The Continuing Membership Of The E.U! Maybe They Know The Court Of European Human Rights May Have Something To Say On That Matter. BUT….What About The International Court Of Human Rights Or The UN. Could They Help?

      recklinghausen@hushmail.com

      November 30, 2013 at 8:41 am

    • I second that OBI, a good read, a good post.

      gaia

      November 30, 2013 at 10:46 am

  13. I after some good posts here went a hunting with regards to the comment made to me by my advisor and looked at point 97 (3) of the The Universal Credit Regulations 2013.

    (3) A work search and work availability requirement must be limited to work that is in a location which would normally take the claimant—

    (a) a maximum of 90 minutes to travel from home to the location; and
    (b) a maximum of 90 minutes to travel from the location to home.

    It still doesn’t state you cant look further a field, nor that it doesn’t count towards your jobsearch evidence but it does highlight I think where this advisor is trying to come from.

    Now I thought long termers were still on the The Jobseeker’s Allowance Regulations 1996 so has this been removed now as I received no written information claiming as such as is usually the course when changing agreements and policys.

    gaia

    November 30, 2013 at 10:58 am

  14. sorry website should have been.

    Merrick

    November 30, 2013 at 11:01 am

  15. Is there any truth in the rumour that when Universal Credit comes out and we have too sign up, we can ask for the payments to be made direct to our landlords if we have lousy credi history or credit scores and other outgoing debts to pay etc

    philip

    November 30, 2013 at 11:08 am

  16. If Scotland does break from the Union in 2014, will JCP in the North of England still be able to mandate 90 mins travel. Don’t forget in some areas it will be crossing the border to another country !

    philip

    November 30, 2013 at 11:16 am

  17. I hesitate to put a story from the Daily Fail on here, but it’s just sooo good.

    Unemployed man dumped huge bag of dog mess in job centre after staff refused to pay his dole money because he was 10 minutes late signing on.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2275045/Unemployed-man-dumped-huge-bag-dog-mess-job-centre-staff-refused-pay-dole-money-10minutes-late-signing-on.html

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 30, 2013 at 11:35 am

    • How do you find these articles, another good post as usual Obi.

      gaia

      November 30, 2013 at 1:37 pm

      • Ed

        November 30, 2013 at 2:12 pm

      • Gaia – all I do is just scan the most usual area’s of the main newspapers and media,such as poltic’s, comments, and business) also Gaia if you have the time, How ever I sometimes get the odd tip here and there

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        November 30, 2013 at 3:40 pm

      • Gaia, mean’t to say check every section of every newspaper website. (search tips, IDS,Unemployment,Esther McVlowjob, and all the rest), if there’s anything there, you will find it – it also help’s if you have an unlimited download package or connection.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        November 30, 2013 at 3:52 pm

      • Thanks Obi for the heads up

        gaia

        December 2, 2013 at 1:33 am

    • Haha! Interesting that most of the top comments on the Mail are anti-JCP staff.

      The guy’s clearly not afraid of hard work and has shown inititative. I’d pay the fine for him if I could afford it.

      Daniel

      December 2, 2013 at 1:25 am

  18. Tobanem :
    Mathematically, the distance you travel is the speed multiplied by the time.
    For that matter, the speed you do is calculated by dividing the distance by the time.
    The time of any journey you take is the distance divided by the speed!
    As you say “gaia”, people are physically different and have different walking performances.
    But walking is not the only form of transport, so it is logically absurd for the DWP to specify a fixed 90 minutes travelling time without reference to the involved, and hence to the speed and type of your transport.
    But then, everything at the DWP is logically absurd these days anyway!
    You cannot talk about travelling to work by mentioning time only – given that time, distance and speed are inextricably linked together mathematically!

    Bang on Tobanem, it is absurd but that’s what you get when you allow people to misuse math to serve their agenda and the 2008 global crash is a prime example of that. What these figures lack are the correct variables as you see we as humans only tend to think forward so most only think about more power say for instance when the truth of the matter is really overcoming impedance to.

    Its not peoples thought I feel dew to the way their taught in school but what people think they see is happening and what is actually happening is two entirely different things and being to generic only makes it worse. We don’t split atoms, we split nuclei and you don’t have a 1 in 6 chance of throwing a 1 on a die but none the less this is what people are told.

    The hardest and still most impossible math is solving the probability of human behaviour yet we are a wash with it through both governments and businesses, it dominates our entire lives these days and shouldnt because an average doesn’t imply the statement is true.

    We all hear Cameron or another minister stating this is what the public want but the truth of the matter is that they polled only a few thousand people then applied an average rather than actually consult the full 65 million. The truth is often that around say only 15,000 or less were actually asked a question and that this figure or just 15 will produce the same result when talking percentages. To put context to this 1% of 65 million people is 650,000 so 15,000 is 0.0230769231% of the total population of 65 million, hardly representative of the majority when put like that is it. The biggest crime is what with the advent of the internet we could now poll millions and get a better more accurate result but businesses and governments simply refuse to adopt this practice. Governments don’t have to run now as they do, all discussions and actions could be put out to everyone meaning a true democracy and thus proving Ayn Rands point that people don’t need centralised governance in order to form a functional society.

    Getting back to this 90 min rule if they want to be absurd then so can we as your not duty bound to explain how you intend to get to this place of work and they cant sanction you for it SO SIMPLY SAY ITS ALL IN HAND, DONT YOU WORRY YOUR PRETTY LITTLE HEAD ABOUT IT or words to that effect be them less sarcastic in nature like im getting a lift for instance meaning you can cover a distance of at 70mph without impedance of 105 miles or the average which is 85MPH meaning 127 miles. It makes no difference if day one you don’t have the money or get a lift as your claim is closed down what with now being employed the day before and they cant carry over the argument as it doesn’t form a part of their requirements inorder to gain eligibility for benefit currently, meaning just because someone said they would give a lift or loan money doesn’t imply they wont change their mind after and unlike an employer cant be held accountable.

    THIS 90 MIN TRAVEL TIME IS TO PUT IT BLUNTLY HOW LONG IS A PIECE OF STRING

    gaia

    November 30, 2013 at 12:40 pm

  19. Twice the distance to the middle. I will get my coat!

    Ed

    November 30, 2013 at 1:26 pm

  20. Oh by the way, for all you young guys and gall’s:

    Telemarketing only pay’s on results – don’t forget that If you should be told to apply for such a fucking no earner by a bonus seeking perverted adviser’s at the Sanction (Job) Centre – Ask the adviser if they would do it?.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 30, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    • AIN’T THAT WHAT [MOST]WPP ADVISORS WERE DOING B4 COMING TO PROVIDERS. IF THEY WERE ANY GOOD AT THEIR OLD JOBS THEY WOULD STILL BE THERE! ;0)

      Jess The Cat

      December 1, 2013 at 9:35 am

      • I LIVE IN SUFFOLK. ON FRIDAY 20 NOVEMBER, I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM MY WPP FOR AN APPOINTMENT THAT AFTERNOON

        MR MIDDLESEX

        December 1, 2013 at 10:12 am

  21. i had a badted letter from the jcp saying my behaviour was unacceptable and have a formal warning that it cant happen again haha

    dont say what i done and i dont know wtf i did to get it pmsl

    also says i have to reply in righting and send it by post as they wont take email or telephone enquiries about it.

    super ted

    November 30, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    • In the same vain, Which WPP in Suffolk is sending out letters short dated, ie appt for the 13th sent out on the 11th received on the 12th. Sanction event or what. Luckily our postman is aware of the type of envelope and frank Wpp uses and prioratises them.

      Jess The Cat

      December 1, 2013 at 9:11 am

    • Got one of those not so long ago myself, did it use words like abuse, intimidation and state at the end that they will call the police in the future ?

      Its a cheap trick they use when their losing an argument and basically they use very grey words like above as their definitions could mean a multitude of things when talking criminal law.

      If you want to find out more put a FOI in for your PV regarding the matter but don’t expect it to spell anything out as it wont. Their to afraid to put the actual nature of the offence down usually and that’s why they don’t ever call the police unless you become genuinely violent or physically obstructive as it wouldn’t hold up and if you didn’t get released that day without charge meaning DWP would have to apologise, your solicitor would slaughter them on the stand as don’t forget those PV are not like having to make a police statement which will leave them with zero time to concoct a piece of fiction as they so regularly do.

      Its totally up to you but if their not going to call the police then tell them you aint listening,la,la,la, then tear it up infront of them but do remember not to litter or their use that instead to get you.lol

      gaia

      December 2, 2013 at 1:24 am

  22. off topic!
    Interesting article on 21st century type employment Amazon style
    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/01/week-amazon-insider-feature-treatment-employees-work?guni=Keyword:news-grid main-1 Main trailblock:Editable trailblock – news:Position1
    I won’t be using the tax dodgers ever again.

    Gissajob

    December 1, 2013 at 9:36 am

  23. We will continue to monitor this site. If we find that any of our clients are using this site we will consider a sanction

    SEETEC

    December 1, 2013 at 11:40 am

    • I like a good laugh, so what sanctionable offence would that be exactly ?

      gaia

      December 2, 2013 at 1:25 am

  24. Interesting link here (ten step guide) about what to do when challenging a benefit sanction.

    http://www.carersuk.org/help-and-advice/help-with-money/benefits-a-tax-credits/challenging-a-benefit-decision

    jj joop

    December 1, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    • Those c*nts at the JCP won’t tell you any of this!

      jj joop

      December 1, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    • Nice read their ED and JJ JOOP.

      gaia

      December 2, 2013 at 1:28 am

  25. Pencil your calendars for the 9th of Dec as our dear IDS has some explaining to do infront of the select committee.

    gaia

    December 2, 2013 at 5:43 am

    • I shall be watching.

      jj joop

      December 2, 2013 at 8:04 am

  26. FLASH MESSAGE TO ALL POSTERS
    URGENT SEE FRONT OF TODAY’S DAILY MAIL
    FLASH MESSAGE ENDS

    MERRICK

    December 2, 2013 at 9:14 am

  27. Noise demo about boycott workfare. I would like to see some live footage but i doubt it will even hit the news.

    http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2013/12/02/day-1-take-online-action-against-the-workfare-conference-monday-2nd-december/

    Ed

    December 2, 2013 at 1:15 pm

  28. OK MATE THANKS.

    merrick

    December 2, 2013 at 1:22 pm

  29. With thanks to StokeBloke1972 onTwitter

    Brilliant Picture:

    http://t.co/hyKbvTgUOA

    Any comments?

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    December 2, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    • Did the pidgeon get a sanction

      Merrick

      December 3, 2013 at 8:58 am


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