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Mark Hoban Loses DWP Job: When Will Ian Duncan Smith Go?

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Esther McVey, Tory MP, will take over from Mark Hoban as employment minister at the Department for Work and Pensions. Hoban returns to the backbenches.

Hoban is best known to the unemployed for saying this (Telegraph March 2013)

When you’ve been out of work for months it can be easy to lose motivation and be sucked into a long spell without a job. Gaining some extra experience and keeping – or discovering – the habit of work is vital.

That’s why we run several schemes where unemployed people are required to carry out a period of work on a project which benefits the community and gives a real boost to their job prospects. If they refuse that help without good reason, then they will lose their benefits for a period.

Followed by this,

Far from being slavery or punishment, these schemes are designed with the sole motive of helping people get back into work – giving them the vital workplace skills and experience which may be holding them back from getting a job. Indeed, as the Court of Appeal recently concluded in a judicial review, we are completely within our rights to expect people to attend these schemes.

There’s more Hoban Hate out there,. This is one case, “…we also know there are some out there who don’t want to roll up their sleeves, and who think they can play the system. Well I’ve got news for them – they can’t. That is why, from tomorrow, there will be tougher penalties for people on Jobseekers Allowance (JSA) who don’t play by the rules.”

Unfortunately Esther McVery is of the same stamp.

This is what she’s said this year, in her capacity as Minister for cracking from on disabled people.

The benefit changes this government has introduced this month will make work pay while protecting the most vulnerable
This month we are seeing a number of key changes to the welfare state that are in line with the government’s promise to help hard-working people….

Anybody who can be bothered to read the rest of her ill-informed right-wing rant can see it here.

Perhaps these Ministers, like their immediate Boss of Bosses, Ian Duncan Smith, will end up like this right-winger,

SILVIO Berlusconi (77), one of Italy’s richest men, may soon be scrubbing lavatories, working with drug addicts or helping the homeless, after opting to serve his sentence for tax fraud doing community service.

We can but hope.

 

 

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  1. Hoban’s job was little more than a figurehead anyway, this has now been passed onto McVey – perfect job for a ‘Dumb Blonde’.

    Make no mistake McVey, IDS YOUR LORD AND MASTER NOW!

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 7, 2013 at 4:14 pm

  2. Liam Byrne is out on his ear too. Rachel Reeves, who has a PPE from Oxford (good Labour Party background eh?) and interviewed for a job at Goldman Sachs is now in as Shadow DWP Secretary.

    Samwise Gamgee

    October 7, 2013 at 4:25 pm

  3. So no shuffle for IDS?

    How has he still got his job?

    ghost whistler

    October 7, 2013 at 5:03 pm

  4. One moron replaced by another.

    ck

    October 7, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    • ”CK” (Should) Scotland goes independent next year, just how many MP’s and Ministers from Scotland have we in Westminster ?. Will they still have jobs or seats in Westminster.

      philip

      October 8, 2013 at 5:14 am

  5. HOW MANY GULLIBLE READERS OF THIS FAKE SITE REALISE THAT COMRADES COATES RECEIVES MONEY FROM ADVERTISEMENTS?? FOR EVERY HIT TO THE BLOG MR COATES RECEIVES A LEAST A POUND IN HIS POCKETS…. OVER HALF A MILLION POUNDS SO FAR… ON TOP OF HIS JSA AND ALL THE OTHER BENEFITS MR COATES POCKETS!! HOW ELSE DO YOU THINK MR COATES CAN AFFORD TO KEEP HIS YOUNG IMMIGRANT WIFE IN JIMMY CHOO SHOES AND EXPENSIVE HOLIDAYS?? DON’T BE FOOLED SO-CALLED MARXIST MR COATES IS A VERY RICH MAN!!

    a police officer

    October 8, 2013 at 9:52 am

    • Indeed.

      I shall be dining today on a tin of sardines just to celebrate.

      Andrew Coates

      October 8, 2013 at 10:59 am

      • No, it should be Abbot Ale.

        The Helping Hand

        October 8, 2013 at 12:17 pm

      • While typing your reply on your new Vertu Superphone paid for by all your ill gotten internet gains, you scoundrel,lol

        ck

        October 8, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    • Most Marxists are rich (example: Tony Benn). What’s wrong with that? If you can provide an ethical public service and make money at the same time, then more power to you.

      The Helping Hand

      October 8, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    • Your find policeman its called pay per click and unless you click on the advert itself the hoster doesn’t get paid. This said their are other ways to get paid but their not obvious so unless of course you wish to confess that you hacked the site I fail to see how your going to prove it.

      Besides this if you had any basis for your argument I suspect you would have already contacted DWP as your clearly a hater of the truth and considering Mr Coates is still here along with the site running, suggests your actually incorrect.

      Lastly even if you could get the site taken down I will have it up and running before you can blink an eye, except this time their be hundreds of them on every free hosting site their is, which is in the thousands. Good luck fighting a losing battle.

      gaia

      October 8, 2013 at 1:56 pm

      • gaia. You’re back then, with more long-winded pearls of wisdom. Christ on a bicycle. While you’re spewing forth, I’ll just go and grow a beard.

        The Helping Hand

        October 8, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    • Just put a sock in it, police officer!

      jj joop

      October 9, 2013 at 9:10 am

      • You too, Helping Hand. Just shove off.

        jj joop

        October 9, 2013 at 9:15 am

    • WAYNE SCARFACE POLICE OFFICER GO AND DO ONE. OR THREE ?

      GOOSE

      October 9, 2013 at 10:30 am

  6. its a poison chalice role and someone who excepts it shouldn’t expect anything else. thoroughly unrealistic expectations are set, and to blame at the Dwp for whats happening.all this is now bearing down on claimants.

    ken

    October 8, 2013 at 10:02 am

    • Well nobody at the local DWP seems to think that they’ll be able to cope with all their madcap workfare, litter-picking, signing-on every day, schemes.

      Andrew Coates

      October 8, 2013 at 10:58 am

      • I told my neigbour who is a care assistant that I’ll be helping her to make and serve meals to her clients soon for my benefits, and she just laughed. She said the Care and Quality Commission will have a few words to say about this madcap scheme. In short, it ain’t going to happen. Well not he meal-making part of it anyway.

        jj joop

        October 8, 2013 at 4:56 pm

  7. jj joop :
    I told my neigbour who is a care assistant that I’ll be helping her to make and serve meals to her clients soon for my benefits, and she just laughed. She said the Care and Quality Commission will have a few words to say about this madcap scheme. In short, it ain’t going to happen. Well not he meal-making part of it anyway.

    You’re probably right about that. No doubt the long-term unemployed will end up cleaning the streets or graffiti in all weathers. In fact, when I think about it working in a care home sounds more appealing than picking up dogshit in the sleet.

    Samwise Gamgee

    October 8, 2013 at 6:41 pm

  8. The following is an account of an unemployed person forced to participate on “a course” and told to “research a subject, and do a presentation to the [other] people on the course”.

    The person chose the subject of JSA and Jobcentres!

    Here is the myth-busting result:

    https://skydrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=867FAB2C68E9AD9D!192&app=PowerPoint

    Tobanem

    October 8, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    • I wonder if there were any DWP staff in attendance when he gave that presentation. If so, I wonder what the expressions on their faces were like.

      Andrew Coates, are you washing down those sardines with best-quality champagne? I think we should be told.

      JBS

      October 8, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    • Powerful stuff, for sure. I’d like to take this presentation and shove it up Esther McVey’s oh-be-joyful.

      jj joop

      October 9, 2013 at 9:09 am

    • Ive got to ask this question, ” If all claimants were guaranteed national minimum and their skill sets matched when talking placements, would working for benefit be fair and equal” ?

      gaia

      October 9, 2013 at 9:12 am

  9. Dodgy job? They have these vacancies throughout the UK on Universal Jobmatch.

    Secret Recruit Ltd
    Data entry administrator
    Job description

    We are looking for Data entry administrators to work from home we will supply you with a laptop and internet connection and a mobile phone. You will connect with our in house system during the hours of 9 till 5 Monday to Friday.

    You will be typing up form submissions into a bespoke database and dealing with email enquiries, So good verbal and written English is a must.

    Must have a professional approach at all times.

    We expect a minimum of 50 submissions to be typed per hour.

    Must be proficient with Microsoft Office.

    In Return we are offering £19,200 + Pension & Bonuses.

    https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/GetJob.aspx?JobID=3739252

    Lumpenprole

    October 9, 2013 at 10:49 am

    • Its the first time I have heard of this sort of work supplying an internet connection as its usually yours but they supply a VPN to keep it so called secure. Ive looked into them also and they appear on the outset to be a creditable recruiter, the strange thing is, ive never heard of them until it was posted here. If as this company says that their 10 years old and as they claim a digital agency, you’d expect to see pages upon pages relating to them on search engines but they in the case of google barely cover 2.

      Also they state after giving a phone number that Please Be aware that lines are usually very busy then followed by All applications must be made online as we are a digital agency. This is or should be to all a RED FLAG when coupled to a serious lack of data showing up on search engines like google who are after all THE INFORMATION KINGS OF THE NET.

      Follow your instincts Lumpenprol as I believe their right as this agency doesn’t just do recruitment.

      gaia

      October 9, 2013 at 2:21 pm

      • Yeah, I think so Gaia. It sounds too good to be true.

        Lumpenprole

        October 9, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    • Are They ”Test Vacancies” To see who applies or not ?. After all they can tell when you log on and what you have looked at / applied for. {Etc}

      Count Duckula

      November 28, 2013 at 3:49 pm

  10. Just Google they appear to be Watford Based

    North side of the Thames

    October 9, 2013 at 12:38 pm

  11. Just picked this up on BBC. It appears Labour aren’t the only ones to get blamed for this governments failings as A government minster said “badgers moved the goalposts” when asked why marksmen failed to reach a cull target.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24459424

    Will this government ever stop blaming other things on their inability to govern successively and professionally ?

    gaia

    October 9, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    • I saw that on the telly whatever they call the replacement for Ceefax these days and was shcoked.

      How dare badgers move our goal posts!

      Bloody badgers – on the dole, always snuffling round, drink Tenants Super, live off food banks, watch flat screen telly, breed like…badgers.

      They should be doing 35 hours a week Jobsearch.

      Andrew Coates

      October 9, 2013 at 3:19 pm

      • Unemployed to be required to dress as badgers and roam the woods to entice other badgers out of their dens ?

        brock

        October 9, 2013 at 3:36 pm

  12. brock :
    Unemployed to be required to dress as badgers and roam the woods to entice other badgers out of their dens ?

    If the unemployed get shot accidentally as badgers that is an extra bonus,lol.

    ck

    October 9, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    • YES IT WILL STOP THEM ”BADGERING US” ?

      COUNTRY BUMPKIN

      October 10, 2013 at 10:40 am

      • Badger baiting was made illegal in the UK in 1835 and instances of it are now rare, but it still does go on and prosecutions are occasionally brought.

        Andrew Coates

        October 10, 2013 at 12:14 pm

  13. Hit me with your sanction stick
    Hit me, hit me
    Je t’adore, ich liebe dich
    It gives DWP ‘decision makers’ such a sexual thrill 🙂
    Hit me, hit me, hit me
    Go on, HIT ME
    Hit me with your sanction stick
    Hit me slowly, hit me quick
    Hit me for 4 weeks, hit me for 13 weeks
    Go on HIT ME
    Hit me for 26 weeks
    Go on HIT ME
    Hit me for 3 YEARS
    Go on HIT ME
    Hit me, hit me, hit me… 🙂

    Sanctioned Ian Dury and the Sanctioned Blockheads

    October 9, 2013 at 3:54 pm

  14. Sanctioned Ian Dury, hmmm, sounds like an anagram for IDS.

    I don’t know about you all but this is how I feel when I think of government.

    That said I have this reply

    gaia

    October 10, 2013 at 7:39 am

  15. Now it is anti-suicide nets round factory buildings in Bangladesh where slave workers make i-phones for sale at ASDA:

    http://streetdemocracy.wordpress.com/2013/10/09/asda/

    It is not far fetched to predict the same desperate measure being taken at “Mandatory Attendance Centres” planned for the forthcoming 35 hours jobsearch treadmill! Mind you, if a fire does break out – and a fire has broken out in Bangladesh – it becomes murder rather than suicide!

    Some years ago, the fire risk in buildings used for the purpose of containing large numbers of unemployed people on various “work” or “training” schemes, came under the spotlight. It should be urgently looked at again.

    Is it legal to cram too many people together in buildings (to maximise profits for private business companies)?

    Tobanem

    October 10, 2013 at 9:24 am

    • You asked: Is it legal to cram too many people together in buildings (to maximise profits for private business companies)? Probably not. But if you remember previous programmes (ND/FND) Set the fire alarms off, continually, they got away with it by changing the building’s terms of use for insurance purposes. So then they could cram as many people as they liked into a room. It stinks. But what the hell can you do! Set the fire alarms off, continually. Just joking, by the way.

      jj joop

      October 10, 2013 at 11:53 am

      • OOPs! Ignore the fourth line in my previous posting about the fire alarms, should have put it at the end.

        jj joop

        October 10, 2013 at 11:55 am

  16. Heres a link asking that very valid question of space per person.

    http://www.workplacelaw.net/services/forum/1894/1/0/office-space

    gaia

    October 10, 2013 at 3:47 pm

  17. gaia

    October 10, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    • Someone on another forum for the unemployed I was looking at wanted to know who was responsible for insuring people forced to do workfare. He suggested people forced to work for the dole cause as much accidental damage as possible and things will soon change. Once the placement provider’s insurance premiums go through the roof due to multiple claims, then they’ll will think twice about exploiting the unemployed and using them as a source of cheap labour.

      Now I’m not suggesting that people who are forced to do workfare go equipped to cause wanton criminal damage. However, as one person on this forum stated recently: “people who are going to be forced to work for their dole under threat of having their benefits stopped if they refuse will almost certainly harbour a great deal of anger and resentment. Quite how this anger and resentment will manifest itself remains to be seen.

      letzgo wrecking

      October 10, 2013 at 4:28 pm

      • I hear you brother!

        jj joop

        October 10, 2013 at 6:31 pm

  18. About 20 years ago in one office which was being used to induct unemployed people into a “training” scheme, the people were crammed in so tightly that the staff had to place extra chairs in among the rows of existing chairs and tables – and even that was not enough; when no more floor space was to be had, the people ended up sitting on the window sills!

    …and if that was not bad and dangerous enough, smoking was still allowed in public buildings back then – and apart from the additional fire risk posed by the smoking, the people ended up like smoked sardines!!!

    No wonder the boss man was concerned about the “fire regulations”!

    Tobanem

    October 10, 2013 at 6:06 pm

  19. does anyone here have to go to the jcp every day? and how long they make you do it for?
    was told if i take that option they will refund my bus fair at 40 quid a week, cant see them making me do that for long lol

    or i can do 4 weeks at a work placement under threat of sanction if i dont do it but said i will tell what ever employer that i was only there because a sanction doubt will be raised and lose my benefits if i did not go so being forced to do it. did not like that answer..

    super ted

    October 10, 2013 at 6:26 pm

  20. Does health and safety legislation apply to volunteers?

    Health and safety legislation doesn’t generally apply to someone who is not an employer, self-employed or an employee.

    The Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 (HSW Act) and the regulations made under it apply if any organisation (including a voluntary organisation) has at least one employee.

    The HSW Act sets out the general duties that employers have towards employees. It also requires employers and the self-employed to protect people other than those at work (eg members of the public, volunteers, clients and customers) from risks to their health and safety arising out of, or in connection with, their work activities.

    http://www.hse.gov.uk/contact/faqs/charities.htm

    If you want to assess the work place yourself then try this tool

    http://www.hse.gov.uk/voluntary/manage-low-risk.htm

    gaia

    October 11, 2013 at 9:07 am

    • gaia.

      You know your stuff, for sure. I’ll be coming off the wp in november. So it will be interesting to see waht they throw at me.

      jj joop

      October 11, 2013 at 11:27 am

  21. If your going everyday super ted then you’ve got under their skin or put another way, they know they cant bull you.

    Now when they mentioned this placement, did they say you have to submit a CV to a group before it goes to the said employer of your time ?

    gaia

    October 11, 2013 at 9:33 am

    • i have no cv and have nothing to put on it unless i lie and was told that doing 4 weeks placement mwa will give me something to put on my cv to help me to find a job but said if i was sent under sanction threat id tell the employer this and will be sent home as i was not volunteering for it and then it said ill have to come to the jcp every day as that was all he had left to come at me with as i was parked for the hole 2 years of the wp and have no exit report so there fucked and have put in a complaint with the provider as well so they cant send me on any of there shit courses to hide me any more so said i have to go every day then and will pay my bus fair at 40 quid a week.
      had sanctions when i was on the wp and won them all but they have been deleted from the jcp system and the adviser said they cant remove them from the system so wtf have they gone cos i kept the letters they sent to prove this and just changed the subject and would not even look for them just saying they are there but will not show me them on the system but they have been deleted as i asked when i signed on 3 months ago about a sanction doubt and just have 1 for 2011 now?

      also was told to bs the doctor and get a sick note to put me on esa for next week as they want rid of me or go to the jcp every day so ill do that and see how long that will last as ill brake them down b4 i give up and when my complaint goes to the ice ill get 5k for there fuck ups and fraud and they just keep giving me ammo to use against them and have kept all the paper work for the last 2 years as well to prove it.

      im also going to put in a foi for all the info they have on me for the last 15 years that the jcp have on me so that will fuck them off when i have to go every day so that wont last long when they put me on a iad all day and ask to use the bog which they don’t have 1 for the public to use so will tell them about the health and safety laws about that as well cos there not going to beat me the stupid twats 🙂

      super ted

      October 11, 2013 at 3:32 pm

      • I reckon their probably get you in for 4 weeks but if I remember isn’t their something in their laws governing the amount of time between schemes ?

        gaia

        October 12, 2013 at 6:09 am

  22. Never mind the work programme, the Jobcentres are getting in the same type of psychopath. And the new one I saw today, was a right c*nt. Probably a right right wing c*nt.

    Nasty nasty nasty, He says i fulfilled my search to a minimum, then because I’m not the type to roll over and have my tummy tickled i get sanctioned after he said this. C*nt!!!!!!

    He had a black suit on. I was tempted to ask him where his armband was!

    He loved his little bit of power. Some of the audio is hilarious. some truly bizarre, these narrow minded drone idiots. It’s beyond belief, truth stranger than fiction.

    Another referral to the decision maker, they don’t even like to use the word sanction now it seems. nasty bastards. I will continue to sign until i do eventually find a job. Just because i have a roof and people around me. And i’m writing a book too. This stuff has to be documented. Probably put it on the web when it’s done.If I don’t go bonkers in the meantime.
    As draconian as it is, as disgusting as it is getting, there is something hugely fascinating about the lack of humanity displayed by many dwp employees. A mine of info for those interested in psychology and anthropology and stuff like that.

    The two I saw today were obviously not ;getting any’ i told them this too. The particularly nasty one had to leave the floor, but I was aiming some non abusive, but insulting enough to him with careful vocabulary. I swore once or twice. But when i’m on a roll no government worker c*nt stops me saying exactly what i want to say.

    3 security guards too. A personal record. Even called a big guy from downstairs it appeared, Yeah right, I said to them what are you going to do when the real nutter get angry? I am reasonably rational, but I no longer give a shit what they think, they can sanction me every week as far as i care now, Nothing I can do about that.
    He said i had done enough, maybe a minimum in his opinion, but then a sanction doubt. I warned the entire area by announcing that ‘Andy’ the adviser was in a very bad mood today and you will have problems unless you have a hundred provable items in your list.

    Nasty nasty nasty nasty. Another christmas with no money.

    Oh, and hardship is noe recoupable, it has it on the forms I was given.

    Hardship? They wont ebven give me that, they hate me because i talk loudly without abuse. They cant handle the truth!!!!

    Hope you will indulge me my little rant.

    Stay strong people.

    Mr No

    October 11, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    • I will indukge your rant, my friend. But be advised: Andrew Coates doesn’t like the c-word.

      jj joop

      October 11, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    • Did they happen to state how your efforts of evidence was minimal ?

      gaia

      October 12, 2013 at 6:33 am

  23. Hi there.

    Apologies for the c word, but I was angry at the time. Still am, but what can one do, As in one man. Nothing, just refuse and make a stand.
    The cold psychopath adviser said I was doing the bare minimum, then proceeded to tear strips of me with his condescending attitude. But he said I had done the minimum, so really he should have ‘helped’ me. Not punished me.
    When I questioned his attitude he then went through my written down jobsearch and tore strips off me, demeaning me and looking for anything he could get me on.

    I refuse to do it online and that is why I am being punished, they didn’t state this but it’s obviously the fact of the matter.
    I will not be spoken to like a criminal, will not tolerate dirty looks. I am always polite until someone starts being unreasonable. I then assert myself and the moron adviser didn’t like this.
    The manager took over after the adviser couldn’t handle my arguments against the crap spewing from his mouth. He then did the same thing, but being very careful with his attitude and language. I continually insulted the obviously uptight cheap suited adviser that started all this. He had to leave the floor. He came back and I continued. Nothing too bad, hence I wasn’t invited to leave. The manager bloke had me there for an hour.
    Then I signed and left. The 3 security guards had a little entertainment I guess.
    I even said to the manager what they could do if a real nutter was on the premises and lost it. nothing, that’s what. I said they were lucky it was just me with a big mouth.
    Freedom of speech? Hmmm? If it wasn’t actually so terribly tragic it would be quite hilarious. They cannot process anything you say that involves real human empathy.
    They want all the nicer advisers out, all the older people out. They want younger cold hearted jobsworths to follow the scripts without question. I did ask when we could expect to be led to the showers. He didn’t find that funny, which is good because I wasn’t joking.

    This manager now has it in for me, reading between the lines I think I am his little pet project. he is a squeaky voiced little runt who enjoys his job too much.

    I guess another sanction next time I sign. I am looking for work, but they don’t believe it.

    I cannot apply for jobs if i cannot find anything suitable, He implied he didn’t believe me, but then I forced him to say that he didn’t think I was a liar, Will it do me any good, will the decision maker come down on my side? No, of course not.

    i think this guy will try and give me a direction for the workfare slave labour soon.

    He wants me to do voluntary work. Suggested I look into it. And I am thinking of doing such, but as i am not getting any JSA for another 13 weeks most likely I told him i will when i have an income. He didn’t have an answer for this. My current sanction was just coming to the end, then this adviser I have never seen before gives it the big I am And puts another doubt in.

    I am fighting them all the way, i don’t expect to ever get any JSA again to be honest.
    I even said to him the ironic thing is that I am looking for work and will be despite having no JSA. They want full compliance with the draconian rules, Stuff that.

    They might try and set me up for a 3 year sanction. But that is possibly a little difficult if the explicit rules on such have any validity.

    I might have to make a blog for all this soon. It’s stressful, but at the same time quite fascinating observing the psychopaths at work. My friends and family really find it hard to believe the way they treat you. Well, they do believe me, they know I’m no scrounger.

    But they also understand why i cannot comply. They can stick the JSA where the sun don’t shine. I’m applying for hardship this week, so that’ll be another thing to document.

    I do this because of the people who have no support, i am lucky enough to have some support, if I didn’t I would be totally screwed. I say what is on my mind without swearing or shouting. They don’t know how to deal with me, so they think punishing me will shut me up.

    But no, the harder they push, the more rebellious I become. I’m hitting the streets soon.

    I’m going to try and raise some money for flyers, Hand them to people leaving the jobcentre. Maybe even exercise some free speech outside.

    Hey, what can they do? Stop my money? Lol.

    Another long post, guess I should get that blog up soon so I don’t waste the bandwidth here. But no c words this time. Hey guys, I’m on your side. The good guys, right?

    Stay strong people.

    Mr No

    October 14, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    • @ Mr No

      I don’t see what the problem is with the c word if you’ve used an asterisk. Can’t someone who’s been sactioned multiple times let off a little steam?

      Lumpenprole

      October 15, 2013 at 9:21 am

    • what your saying is widespread and very true,rashers’ were taken off me at the initial hit squad interview .

      its not advisable to give them jobmatch access,i didn’t and they don’t like it. more so people with disabilities are being treated the same.this is highly unlawful.

      ken

      October 28, 2013 at 9:04 pm

  24. Im not surprized this advisor stopped short of explaining what minimum meant, a common trick it appears we all endure.

    When I had mine state my evidence was so called insufficient it ended in me a week later getting a letter claiming I abused a member of staff. I constantly asked them and this included a manager to demonstrate how my evidence was such yet both refused to explain further. I knew I was right and knew they knew I was right, that’s why I said send it to the decision maker yet they refused. I sat their as smug as a bug so how I commited abuse is no ones guess.

    Im going through the compalints procedure but DWP just keep covering it up while completely evading the question of how so. I will let them enjoy this short lived victory as soon its solicitor time and they cant get around that chestnut.

    gaia

    October 15, 2013 at 7:33 am

  25. there are some sinister behavior at job centre plus.this looks to be a very common occurrence,even though jobsearch is sufficient they are not looking and being abrupt. what happened next was the weekly signing,where nothing was checked during that appointment.

    they are sending people on stress management when they are the major cause of adding to this.

    ken

    October 28, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    • It doesn’t matter what you do, if you fill in your diary properly and it can’t be used as ‘evidence’ against you they just throw it in the bin, then go on to type up a pack of lies and misinterpretations on to on-screen dialogue boxes “for the ‘decision maker'” – it’s a total stitch up.. They are working from a raise a doubt ‘toolkit too, I saw a dialogue box with “ASE doubt toolkit’. So the sole purpose of the appointment is to ‘raise a doubt’

      Sanctioned for three (3 YEARS!!)

      November 19, 2013 at 4:43 am

    • But one day your job-search will be checked forensically… and they will find fault with it. Don’t be lulled into a false sense of security with these fuckers. A lot of jobseekers might think: “well, they never check this diary, can’t be bothered filling it in”. It is all mindfuck, ken.

      Sanctioned for three (3 YEARS!!)

      November 19, 2013 at 4:47 am

    • As the Social Security Commissioner commented: It pays to always keep a robust jobsearch, preferably something you can use as ‘evidence’ at a tribunal or wherever.

      Sanctioned for three (3 YEARS!!)

      November 19, 2013 at 4:50 am

  26. Maybe we need to all start wearing ‘bodycams’ and recording everything said and done whenever we sign on or see an advisor. They’ll soon realise they have to stop the porkies. They could hardly refuse to serve us though as the jobcentres are stuffed full now with CCTV.

    nick

    November 18, 2013 at 4:19 pm


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