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The Daily Mirror leads with this story today,

Forced labour: Conservative party to force the jobless to work for nothing or lose their dole

The long-term unemployed are to be sent out to cook for OAPs or pick up litter in the meanest welfare shake-up ever.

Now we know what the “shake up” cited on this Blog is.

“Under tough new conditions attached to welfare payments, hundreds of thousands of claimants will be required to carry out community work such as collecting litter, cooking meals for the elderly or cleaning graffiti.

Announcing the US-style Help to Work scheme in his keynote speech to the Conservative Party conference in Manchester today, Mr Osborne will say the change will end the “something-for-nothing culture”.

Claimants who have been out of work for three years and fail to find a job through the Coalition’s flagship Work Programme will be required either to do 30 hours a week of community work, report to a job centre daily, or undergo intensive treatment to tackle problems such as illiteracy or mental illness, he will say.

Those who break the rules, for example by failing to turn up for duties without a good reason, could lose their benefit for four weeks. A second offence would see them lose out for three months.

The Chancellor rejected critics’ claims that the Government is exploiting or punishing the long-term unemployed, insisting that the new schemes will help them develop the skills and attitudes they need to find paid employment.

He told ITV1’s Daybreak: “We are saying there is no option of doing nothing for your benefits, no something for nothing any more. People are going to have to do things to get their dole and that is going to help them into work.

“That’s the crucial point. This is all activity that is going to help them get ready for the real world of work.

“In order to make sure that people are ready for jobs, they have got to have the right skills and the right work talents, the right work attitudes, and this programme is going to deliver that. It is going to create a culture where people are ready for work.”

Potentially, around 200,000 long-term Jobseeker’s Allowance claimants could be eligible for the new initiative, which comes into force in April next year.”

Here

We note (see previous post),

Statistics released by the DWP today show that the performance of the Work Programme – which was already achieving less than doing nothing at all – is steadily getting worse.

By June 2013 a lower percentage of people who had been on the scheme for one full year had found a job which lasted at least 6 months  – known as a sustained job outcome – than in the previous two months.  In April 2013 14% of claimants who had been on the scheme for one year had found sustained jobs, by June this had dropped to 13%.

Boycott Workfare says,

Unemployed people and campaigners have condemned George Osborne’s announcement that long-term unemployed people will be forced to work unpaid or face losing their social security as a criminalisation of unemployed people.

The maximum community sentence that a judge can hand out is for 300 hours, but claimants on six-month workfare schemes are already being forced to work without pay for 780 hours. The four-week Mandatory Work Activity scheme is already the equivalent of a medium level community service order that a person might receive if they were found guilty of drink driving or assault.

When a similar scheme was introduced in the US, thousands of jobs in the Parks Department were lost in New York alone – to be replaced with forced unpaid workers. Similar case studies have emerged in the UK, where workfare placements are already taking place in hospitals, council offices, charities and businesses.

What is the record previous workfare schemes?

A pilot has already been tried,

Boycott Workfare commented on the results,

The preliminary results are from the trailblazer pilot, which tested CAP along with Ongoing Case Management (OCM) – “a more intensive a more intensive offer of flexible and personalised adviser-based support, as well as a set of mandatory activities, delivered by Jobcentre Plus through increased adviser interventions for six months”. These two schemes were tested with a control group continuing on standard job centre plus, and participants randomly assigned to the schemes.

Fifteen to 18 per cent in each programme strand had entered paid employment, become self-employed or were waiting to start work at the time of the survey, six to seven months after starting on the trailblazer. These job outcomes did not vary significantly between programme strands, nor did the types of jobs entered, take-home pay and hours worked.

For participants on OCM, those who reported receiving more personalised support to their individual needs were significantly more likely to be in work at the end of the programme. However, for CAP participants, neither attending a placement nor receiving jobsearch support were significantly associated with a job outcome around the end of the programme.

The majority of participants reported being in receipt of JSA at the time of the survey. DWP statistics published alongside this report found statistically significantly lower levels of benefit receipt for both CAP and OCM participants compared to the control group about six months after starting the programme.

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  1. date: 26 September 2013

    Work Programme is still failing to help vulnerable people, says TUC

    Commenting on figures published today (Thursday) by the Department for Work and Pensions on the government’s Work Programme, TUC General Secretary Frances O’Grady said:

    ‘Despite the official spin, the Work Programme is still failing to deliver for many jobseekers.

    ‘Just one person in 25 is able to find a proper job after a year on the scheme, and disabled people have seen virtually no benefit since its introduction. Although there has been an increase in placements for those on those on the dole these improvements are starting to tail off.

    ‘The government is obsessed with punishing those out of work, rather than helping them find jobs. The best way to get to grips with our unemployment crisis would be to offer a jobs guarantee for anyone out of work for at least a year.’

    http://www.tuc.org.uk/economy/tuc-22631-f0.cfm

    Andrew Coates

    September 30, 2013 at 10:08 am

    • IS MWA THE SAME AS THE OLD COMMUINTY PROGRAMME AND JOB TRAINING SCHEMES RE HASHED ?

      philip

      October 7, 2013 at 2:37 pm

  2. “Minister looking at making it harder for sick and disabled to claim benefits”

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/30/iain-duncan-smith-sick-disabled-benefits?commentpage=4

    Annos

    September 30, 2013 at 10:19 am

    • ANNOS; I HAVE READ THIS ARTICLE. WHAT I DON’T UNDERSTAND IS
      1..YOU ARE IN HOSPITAL AS AN INPAITENT OR ATTEND REGULAR APPOINTMENTS AS AN OUT PAITENT…HOW CAN YOUR WPP SANCTION YOU WHEN YOU HAVE MEDICAL EVIDENCE TO PROVE OTHERWISE..CAN YOUR DOCTOR GET THE SANCTION LIFTED
      2..YOU ARE RECOVERING FROM SURGERY AND NEED PHYSIOTHERAPY OR OTHER{!}ETC. YOU ARE AGAIN TOLD YOU CAN’T WORK FOR SAY 18 MONTHS AND ARE CERTIFIED BY THE DR AS SO…WHAT GROUNDS DO ATOS WPP AND JTING CP HAVE FOR CANCELLING CERTIFICATES
      FINALLY DID ANYTHING ELSE COME OUT ABOUT JCP WANTING TO PUT STAFF AND ATOS INTO DR’S SURGERIES.

      philip

      October 7, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    • 1. Your Doctor And Or The Hospital Consultant….they advise you not too work because of say a heart condition or through aggravated stress etc 2. You are sent to see ATOS and you lose and have too appeal and again lose and end up on JSA with MWA. You have another heart attack and or ”breakdown” Can you sue ?

      philip

      December 21, 2013 at 5:55 pm

  3. Once again those idiots of the coalition prove that there are not enough jobs out there. Rather than try to create paid employment and help people to help themselves they decide its time to give the unemployed and disabled another good kicking by keeping them below the poverty line.

    How is working for nothing going to help people back into work? The days when we could bag jobs by sending speculative letters and popping into businesses and asking were gone in the mid 90s. Never has a government been so out of touch with the real world.

    Chris

    September 30, 2013 at 10:23 am

  4. Also, whenever I’ve applied for work, employers have always looked at previous PAID employment and have totally disregarded voluntary work during interviews.

    Chris

    September 30, 2013 at 10:39 am

  5. Read on Facebook: getting the long-term unemployed to cook for the elderly and vulnerable and help round their homes.

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Andrew Coates

    September 30, 2013 at 11:14 am

    • I predict ex criminals without relevant CRB checks put into vulnerable peoples homes.

      Chris

      September 30, 2013 at 11:31 am

  6. undergo intensive treatment to tackle problems such as illiteracy or mental illness – Oh good are all the people with a mental illness going to get free Bupa. Turns out the torys are the caring party after all.

    How they going to do that you are hard pressed to get decent treatment for that last one even with the nhs.

    growls

    September 30, 2013 at 11:17 am

  7. I will be fascinated to see, in the coming months, how many of Cameron’s/Osborne’s chums in the private sector set up charitable or neo-charitable divisions offering to supervise ‘community workfare’ schemes. G4S, Serco (all the usual suspects) swiftly develop divisions which can recruit free labour to work at hospitals, homes, building projects in which those selfsame suspects have significant project management interest… That couldn’t happen, could it?

    In respect of claimants attending a job centre daily, wouldn’t this require a significant increase in DWP personnel? Wouldn’t this require larger or additional premises? Would a claimant be allowed travelling expenses for daily attendance? Has this been costed?

    As regards ‘intensive treatment’ (very Cameron, very clockwork: very Osborne: very orange) for mental illness or illiteracy, is this a tacit admission that claimants who were/are mentally ill, or who were/are illiterate, can have gone through two years of the work programme without those problems having been identified and/or addressed? Are we seriously to consider the possibility that those lovely work programme providers could have had a claimant on their books for two years without noticing that s/he was mentally ill or illiterate? Or that those lovely work programme providers could have noticed these and similar problems and decided, cynically, to do b*gg*r all about them?

    I leave aside the question of the ‘intensive treatment’ envisioned for the mentally ill. No doubt, if Cameron and Putin are still speaking, the latter will give the former advice on this matter.

    Good luck, jpb seekers…

    stephen l prasher

    September 30, 2013 at 11:32 am

  8. Chris :
    Also, whenever I’ve applied for work, employers have always looked at previous PAID employment and have totally disregarded voluntary work during interviews.

    Of course!

    We all know this. If you have two people apply for a job and one person has paid experience while the other has voluntary experience it’s a no brainer.

    ghost whistler

    September 30, 2013 at 11:32 am

  9. Unemployed must become Scouts
    30-09-13 http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/unemployed-must-become-scouts-2013093079926

    GEORGE Osborne has told unemployed people that they must earn Scouting badges to keep their benefits.

    The plan would teach new skills like hill-walking, lighting fires and playing games of chess with a disinterested vicar.

    Osborne said: “People say there are no jobs. But scouts manage to find them simply by knocking on old ladies’ doors and offering to weed their garden for 50p.

    “And by working towards your DIY, Astronomy and Customer Contact Solutions Operative badges you can give yourself new employment options.

    “To warm down, Akela will organise a game of British Bulldog with 2.49 million people across the entire UK.”

    He added: “If you’ve done five years on the dole, we’ll abandon you in the middle of Dartmoor with a compass and a pack of freeze-dried sausages and it’s up to you to get home.

    “This will teach pathfinding skills, encourage independence and hopefully thin out numbers.”

    Andrew Coates

    September 30, 2013 at 11:38 am

  10. well i went to my post wp interview and it was a load of bollocks as normal told them about the wp binning me from day 1 and was not interested about it and just kept saying he wants a cv from me end of and booked me in to see some one about making 1 up or will get a sanction doubt if i dont give him 1 in 2 weeks time and wants what there is on the jcp work history they got for me what is 1 job 8 years ago done 1 week and another 10 years ago that was 4 days so waste of time even doing 1
    also wants 2 months bank statements and as i use online banking asked if they will pay for it as its 15 quid from my bank, no answer so i said i can take a pic of it on my phone but only shows the last 4 transactions and said that’s ok but dident like it.
    i now have to apply for 5 jobs a week and if i dont and they can find that many on ujm that i can get 2 and never applied for them they will send my claim up for sanction doubt.
    asked if these jobs included agency jobs and skilled work as i cant apply for them and got no answer to that and just said again if they can find jobs i can get 2 and i dont apply they will send it for a sanction doubt.
    so if i dont apply for a job within a 90 min range of my home and they can find it on ujm and i dont apply for it or find 5 a week ill get sanctioned even if its a job i cant do but is in my range of 90mins
    i will also have to do a 3 week course on some interview help in November time what i have done over and over again so will prob do 1 day n get told to fuck off as ive done it 9 times.
    also tried to get an email addr out of me and my phone number and got pissed when i said no so went on to say can i email him my cv when its done n said i not stupid ill never give you my email addr from my computer ever and said when i see this person about doing my cv will they do it for me and print it out as i got no printer at home and said urmm well yes i guess so so said ill just get them to put what you have on me on ur system n that will be me cv then good luck making that look good and getting a job match on ujm cos it wont work
    only change on my jsa is the 5 jobs a week and phone 2 a week the rest is the same as it was b4.
    asked again about my provider dumping me and taking the ref fee as i class that as fraud and received no help at all and just said put it in righting if i got a problem with it and send it to them said ok and also asked if they had got my exit report from them and he just said we dont need them the wp is finished and there not interested in what they did or did not do to help me any way.
    so i got to apply for 5 jobs a week even if its agency or skilled work if its within 90 mins even tho id never get the job or get sanctioned
    go see someone to help me with a cv with hardly nothing to go on it so waste of time or get sanctioned
    and do a 3 week interview help course again or get sanctioned.
    was there well over an hour and sanction is the new fav word slip up once and they will raise a doubt it seems even if i only can find 9 out of ten jobs i need to apply for it seems and for me that is near impossible as the most i ever found in 1 week i could apply for and get to on public transport was 3 and thats how many i apply d for for the last 2 weeks on my job search.

    super ted

    September 30, 2013 at 11:38 am

    • My Work Programme Completer interview is scheduled for next week. Now I know what to expect.

      This is what the ongoing ‘help’ and ‘support’ amounts to: sanctions, sanctions, sanctions.

      Poor. Old. Tired. Horse

      September 30, 2013 at 9:33 pm

      • make sure you get ur job search form as he tried not to give me 1 n had to ask for it b4 i left 😉

        its my poor adviser that will have mental health problems after 6 months of me 😉

        super ted

        September 30, 2013 at 9:47 pm

      • Will do. Thanks, ST.

        Poor. Old. Tired. Horse

        September 30, 2013 at 9:57 pm

  11. If you rememember the Conservatives came up with the same idea when they were campaining for the 2010 general election, it was grandstanding to win over voters, other than the Work Programme, little came of it.

    To implement what they are wanting to do would break employment legislation/law, why do you think MWA’s are only for 4 weeks.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    September 30, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    • Perhaps that’s also why they want to abolish the human rights act.

      Andrew Coates

      September 30, 2013 at 12:16 pm

      • could happen if we left eu

        @

        September 30, 2013 at 1:29 pm

  12. Next General Election:

    19 month’s and counting.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    September 30, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    • If such a work-for-your-dole scheme is in place by then don’t count on any potential Labour/Lib-Lab government abolishing it. Those two are nearly as bad as the Tories.

      Samwise Gamgee

      September 30, 2013 at 5:28 pm

  13. I don’t usually get angry, but now I am BLOODY FUMING!
    Who the hell does that twat in his ivory tower think he is?
    I am 59 and do a few days a week voluntary work with my local AGEUK shop….I could do 5 days a week if I wished… but I volunteered, and nobody forced me,.

    yes, i have been unemployed for more than three years……and i don’t know if voluntary work would be included in the COMMUNITY SERVICE/ WORK scheme they intend to bring in.

    As far as I am concerned, community service/ work is given to those who are CRIMINALS.
    If this is meted out to those who are trying to find work, and have evidence required (I’m not talking about the real lazy, drunk and drug addicts—these need specialised help, as well as those who are illiterate and mentally ill), then I would say that there should be a law against this in with the EU legislation.

    If there is work to be done in the community… THEN MAKE IT A FULL TIME JOB!!!

    They may want you to go to the jobcentre every day?!
    The Law says you have £71 to live on per week….. I now have to find an extra £5 pw for council tax (and those who need to pay bedroom tax, even more).
    That makes the amount £66 pw….£5 under what the Law says you need.

    If transport costs are not paid for those who attend the jobcentre daily, then almost all of the JSA has disappeared.
    This surely is illegal and it would have to be brought to the attention of the EU.

    If they think they will get in next time with these kind of draconian measures, then think again.
    WHAT ARE WE IN THIS COUNTRY….. MICE?

    epsom

    September 30, 2013 at 12:34 pm

  14. The national minimum wage:

    Almost everyone who legally works in the UK must get a minimum level of pay. This is called the national minimum wage. You can be paid more than the national minimum wage but you must not be paid less.

    http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/migrantworkers/nmw.htm

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    September 30, 2013 at 1:02 pm

  15. […] here and here […]

  16. do the jcp have the right to see my bank statements or can i tell them to spin on it, i got 96p saved up so far lol

    super ted

    September 30, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    • Superted:

      The Jobcentre does have the right to see your bank statements, but they are only allowed to ‘look’ and not allowed to ‘copy’ it, it’s just to make sure you don’t have more savings than your allowed to claim your benefits.

      i.e. for JSA the limit is £3,000.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      September 30, 2013 at 1:24 pm

      • My JCP adviser told me it was two grand if you’re on JSA.

        jj joop

        September 30, 2013 at 1:43 pm

  17. ok then ill just take a pic n show them that there is nothing in there.then, thought the limit was 6500 tho 😉

    super ted

    September 30, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    • The new DWP guidelines are £6,000 for JSA, but I wouldn’t put it to the test, stick with the old rules of £3,000 and you can’t go wrong.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      September 30, 2013 at 1:32 pm

  18. this is the letter i got for my next appointment

    private and confidential

    date
    ref number:

    dear superted

    helping you back to work

    please accept this letter as notification to attend an interview about your job
    search and to make sure we are helping you back to work as much as
    possible.

    your interview is on date time

    please note; should you fail to attend your interview and do not have a
    good reason: you could lose your job seekers allowance and credits of
    national insurance contributions.

    please provide evidence of your job search for the period from to
    this must include details of what employers you applied to and
    all methods you have used to find employment.

    if you cannot show that you are doing enough to find work, a decision
    will have to be made as to whether you are eligible to recive
    job seekers allowance and credits of national insurance credits. if you
    attend late you will be asked to emplane in writing your reasons for
    missing this interview. please tell us immediately if you cannot attend
    your interview, for example because you have found work.

    as part of the interview in addition to reviewing with you your job search we
    will conduct a review of you benefit claim. please bring verification of income
    and or capital(savings) as follows:

    payslips if you are working for the past month prior to your interview

    bank/building society pass books or statements ffor the last 2 months.

    verification of any maintenance you revive via csa or directly from an ex-
    partner

    order books or award notices for any other benefits you recive

    please also bring some identification with you as follows:

    any one of the following;

    valid passport
    original birth certificate

    or any two of the following;

    adoption certificate
    marriage certificate
    divorce or annulment papers
    gv3 travel document
    full driving licence or provisional with photo
    rent cards or tenancy agreements
    mortgage document
    council tax documents
    life assurance policy
    recent wage slip up to 6 months old
    cheque book
    cheque guarantee card
    trade union membership card
    credit card
    bank statements not mini statements
    building society passbooks
    recent paid household bill
    NHS medical card

    your interview will take approximately 45 minutes

    yours sincerely

    a fucking ass hole

    name
    job centre manager

    super ted

    September 30, 2013 at 2:06 pm

  19. This crackpot scheme will definitely end up displacing workers in low-skilled employment (particularly local authority employees) with the jobless. Why pay just above the minimum wage for staff (especially with the massive funding cuts being inflicted upon councils) when you can obtain free conscript labour via your local jobcentre?

    One of my neighbours, who’s a street cleaner for our local council and has made some snide remarks about me being unemployed, didn’t look overly happy this morning after I’d cheekily called over to him as he was getting into his car to go to work, that I’d shortly being doing his job.

    Cruel, but he deserved it.

    Trevor

    September 30, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    • Always think something up: One morning wash his car without being asked, early. Tell him he should approve as you are doing the compulsory work they want us to. But you had to use paint stripper and wire wool and you also (coathanger) cleaned the interior, you had no fabric cleaner so hosed it down instead with pee!

      something survived...

      September 30, 2013 at 5:26 pm

  20. Osborne’s speech included this, “They will do useful work to put something back into their community; making meals for the elderly, clearing up litter, working for a local charity.”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24327470

    The Charity bit is new.

    Any Charity collaborating with forced labour should be boycotted and put out of business.

    Andrew Coates

    September 30, 2013 at 3:40 pm

  21. Work for your dole – about bloody time too!

    Old Tory

    September 30, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    • Ooh, you’re a proper swell, ain’tcha? Shine your shoes, guv’nor?

      Poor. Old. Tired. Horse

      September 30, 2013 at 10:42 pm

  22. id do 11 hrs nmw work for my benefits if i got to do 30hrs then i might as well brake the law and do comm service or go to prison for a short holiday 😉

    super ted

    September 30, 2013 at 4:42 pm

  23. So, imagine I (no phone) am sent by force to the home of an elderly person even more disabled than me. They can’t call for help. While dragging their heavy vacuum cleaner to the top of their steep, narrow stairs (with bad back!), I either trip and drop it, or more likely have a major seizure. I fall all the way downstairs and the vacuum cleaner also lands on me. At best I am bashed up and in shock. At worst, broken leg or back or neck. NOW THE FUCK WHAT?!!!!

    something survived...

    September 30, 2013 at 4:59 pm

  24. I think everyone put forward for this ‘scheme’ should only state that they are willing to do 11 hours for their dole. That’s 11 hours at min wage.
    If they are expecting you to ‘work’ for your JSA, then they should pay the going rate.

    If the majority of people stuck to this then it would soon fail. Or they will actually realise anything else is just plain wrong. But as another poster said, we are mostly mice in this country. Unemployment is a crime now. However they spin it they are treating us like criminals.

    I have been sanctioned by the WP incorrectly for 7 and a half months which was finished earlier in the year. Tribunal is currently frozen for that, Then back at the jC+ for a while then two psychopaths gets me sanctioned for a further 17 weeks which expires in October.

    All down to errors and suspicion. And what can i do about it? Nothing.

    I will be fighting the big sanctions from the WP, but the latest round I have no chance.

    In guess more sanctions are to come. That’s all it seems to be about these days. Punishment. That alone will cause many mental health problems.

    It’s disgusting. Stay strong people.

    Mr No

    September 30, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    • It is fucking brutal the way jobseekers miserly subsistence allowance can just be stopped at the click of a mouse leaving the unfortunate jobseeker with jack shit to live on. Fucking outrageous!

      Sanctioned

      October 1, 2013 at 8:22 am

      • I am scheduled to leave the wp in July 2015. Was told when I started that any break for illness etc – will be added to time on. IE 4 weeks off certified sick One Month added to time on wp. This of course includes jury service. I asked about this and was told it’s classed as leave of abscence

        philip

        October 1, 2013 at 9:17 am

  25. Or, imagine you’re sent round to be carer for a person and either the workfare worker bullies or physically/sexually assaults the client, or the client does the same to them.
    Or at the very least (puts trained, experienced, skilled, qualified, certified/insured/registered/checked – and caring!- carers out of work!) the carer (workfare) gives very substandard care, the wrong care, neglect, could get them (client and/or workfare person) killed as they are not trained or supervised. Missing a critical/acute health condition, you could leave a worsening condition to deteriorate to the point where the client dies. (Extra opportunity to burgle the client or mess with their possessions, or slag off them and their lifestyle. EDL person sent to ‘care’ for black client, homophobe put in charge of gay client. Black person sent to racist client, gay person sent to homophobe.) Since personal care generally involves nudity of clients, they don’t get any choice over who sees and touches their body; who else thinks that’s pervy and creepy? The more disabled the client (if they are any LESS disabled, they will be ordered onto the street to pick liitter too!), the less they can do to stop a workfare person (including very disturbed people) from trashing their home, bringing mates round, smoking, spitting, drinking, swearing, taking drugs…. (Paid staff do some of this too, generally with clients unable to communicate/learning disability/dementia or who will not be believed.) Of course the other year the news had that case of the paid ‘care’ workers taking nude photos of their disabled and learning disability clients (plus elderly/obese people) and putting it straight on the internet along with negative personal comments and the client’s name and address. They got fired but not much else happened to them and no compensation to clients. Even if you give half a damn you might not notice DVT, gangrene or an infected ulcer/sore. A client could get an amputation as the result of your neglect. If you were skilled in the job you’d have applied for it and been hired to do it, already! You could miss subtle signs like risk of diabetic coma. Not to mention hundreds of different data protection and confidentiality and privacy issues that arise from this ridiculous scheme.
    yes sack all the brain surgeons if you want and replace them with workfare, so long as the first batch of clients are the members of the current Cabinet!

    David Cameron: Nothing wrong with him that could not be fixed with an ice-axe in the face.

    something survived...

    September 30, 2013 at 5:22 pm

  26. Didn’t take long for the job centre to get in touch.. Been told today that I have to give up college course with immediate effect as it limits my availability for work. I’m in my 4th week of a course that they said would be ok for me to attend.

    I have no job to go to and they have no plans for getting me any training. So now I have to face the reality of sitting at home all day looking for non existent jobs or daily signing on. I’m currently sending off applications for work as well as studying. Osbourne, Cameron and the rest of them should hang their heads in shame, never done an honest days work in their miserable little lives and have the cheek to tell us that we cant better ourselves.

    chris

    September 30, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    • This keeps happening to me even though I’m now paying fees to study.

      something survived...

      October 1, 2013 at 6:26 pm

  27. Well I do fulltime voluntary work, surely they cannot sanction me, as I am already working for benefits 35 hours a week, what is the obsession with full time work activity anyway? work for dole is only 12 hours a week! 12 hours a week equals basic dole money at minimum wage

    marky

    September 30, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    • marky :
      Well I do fulltime voluntary work, surely they cannot sanction me, as I am already working for benefits 35 hours a week, what is the obsession with full time work activity anyway? work for dole is only 12 hours a week! 12 hours a week equals basic dole money at minimum
      wage

      I am doing two days a week voluntary work, and I could do 40 hrs if i wanted to…..but are you sure they won’t sanction you/ us?
      Would that count as their “community” work?.
      It should do…. but you never know.

      Most if this must be illegal—-for those who are genuinely looking and provide evidence that they are looking for work.

      I have said before that for those who are 16-24 (apparently the largest unemployed group) I cannot see any reason why they should be unemployed.
      I am talking about REAL jobs….
      There are many apprenticeships, training with employers, and at this age, they can train for some kind of career.
      Unlike myself, who is 59.
      If they think I am going to train for a new career, they can think again!

      Also, for those up to early 40’s—this is where the jobcentres should be doing their job.
      When you get into your late 50’s, ageism DOES take place, and it’s much more difficult to find work if you are not skilled.

      epsom

      September 30, 2013 at 6:33 pm

      • You are right Epsom, ageism does count these days as racing pundit John McCririck goes to court after being sacked for being too old:

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2438671/Racing-pundit-John-McCririck-starts-3m-discrimination-claim-Channel-4.html

        Boy, if only the unemployed could sue for the DWP for £3m over all the harassment and intimidation they suffer every day at Jobcentres!

        By the way, Epsom, and all other readers/posters to this site; let me take this opportunity to ask this serious question: are there any toilet facilities in your local Jobcentres? I have yet to find a Jobcentre which has toilet facilities available to the public, so imagine what like it will be shortly when unemployed people are crammed into Jobcentres all day long – every day – seeking work which does not exist!

        I expect older people will be far worse off – perhaps they could sue the DWP for the inconvenience!!

        Tobanem

        September 30, 2013 at 7:09 pm

  28. I wish I could get just 12 hours per week in ANY job just to sign off and escape the bullying that is all too common at the hands of the Jobcentre. I’ve tried everywhere and not had a single interview for paid work since March. I was planning to sign off with my course but this will render me unable to attend it as I still need to travel into lectures etc.

    Just seems like a lose lose situation. College and the thought of better things ahead are the only positive things keeping me going at the moment. Just feel like going to be with a bottle of water, my epilepsy meds and ending it all. I can’t take much more of this crap

    chris

    September 30, 2013 at 6:31 pm

  29. chris :
    I wish I could get just 12 hours per week in ANY job just to sign off and escape the bullying that is all too common at the hands of the Jobcentre. I’ve tried everywhere and not
    had a single interview for paid work since March. I was planning to sign off with my course but this will render me unable to attend it as I still need to travel into lectures etc.
    Just seems like a lose lose situation. College and the thought of better things ahead are the only positive things keeping me going at the moment. Just feel like going to be with a bottle of water, my epilepsy meds and ending it all. I can’t take much more of this crap

    Waking up each morning not knowing if you are going to be sanctioned or not is MENTAL HARASSMENT.
    I would certainly say that this comes under the Health and safety Act., with “Health” being the operative word.
    If you are being bullied whilst you are doing all you can to find work, and can provide evidence, then you may have a case under the Health and safety Act—and Harassment Act.

    epsom

    September 30, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    • I’ve already got a written complaint rattling around in the system and been told by the Independent case examiner that it can’t be taken any further until JCP give their final response and this is something which they seem to be spinning out for as long as possible.

      I had worked constantly since the age of 16 until 3 years ago when I was diagnosed with epilepsy. I’ve worked since, but in short term agency contracts etc which are no use to anybody. I’m currently undergoing counselling for depression – a result of my epilepsy and bullying. I’m not saying that spending time at college is going to cure my illnesses, but at least gives me something positive to focus on during the two days which I study.

      chris

      September 30, 2013 at 7:03 pm

  30. ive had 8 interviews since early sept, but no job yet, currently on OCM, but no the DWP do not like voluntary work, if i havent found work by April I expect to be on community service, not doing my full time charity/voluntary work

    marky

    September 30, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    • I’ve forgotten what an interview is!

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      October 1, 2013 at 9:11 am

      • That’s okay, the people working in jobcentres don’t know what a JOB is!

        something survived...

        October 1, 2013 at 6:28 pm

  31. Tobanem :
    You are right Epsom, ageism does count these days as racing pundit John McCririck goes to court after being sacked for being too old:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2438671/Racing-pundit-John-McCririck-starts-3m-discrimination-claim-Channel-4.html
    Boy, if only the unemployed could sue for the DWP for £3m over all the harassment and intimidation they suffer every day at Jobcentres!
    By the way, Epsom, and all other readers/posters to this site; let me take this opportunity to ask this serious question: are there any toilet facilities in your local Jobcentres? I have yet to find a Jobcentre which has toilet facilities available to the public, so imagine what like it will be shortly when unemployed people are crammed into Jobcentres all day long – every day – seeking work which does not exist!
    I expect older people will be far worse off – perhaps they could sue the DWP for the inconvenience!!

    id bet there going to get porta loo put out side every jcp n have to bring in ur own bog roll as well then they wonder why it gets set on fire after closing time or gets blown up then there be shit all over the front of the jcp.

    super ted

    September 30, 2013 at 7:38 pm

  32. or we all might get some free plastic bags and a plastic poop a scoop n told to find a good spot in the local park to drop some logs off. 😉

    super ted

    September 30, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    • Hello Super Ted

      I know of one man who was told there was no toilet for the public inside the Jobcentre, but “try the pub round the corner and the bookies next door”!

      Encouraging drinking and gambling for the poor at a time when sanctions are being handed out like confetti and food banks are everywhere is bladder-bursting ludicrous!

      Tobanem

      September 30, 2013 at 8:02 pm

  33. yea the public are banned from jcp shit holes at mine and the few others i have been 2 as well.

    they are just that stupid to over look a small thing like tho id save for a pack of pampers nappies n hope you spring a leak on an iad n say it was an inappropriate ass discharge

    super ted

    September 30, 2013 at 8:13 pm

  34. What about weekends on this? say you do 12 hours voluntary work weekends, would that mean only 18 hours workfare etc? but surely if already volunteering community work is unnecessary and will not help me into work, iz it 30 hours over a 5 day week or 7 day week?

    marky

    September 30, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    • the gov are going to be paying i think 800 quid per place i think i seen some where and i got a letter from learn dir that says they get 2200 for each 18 to 24 year old they take on for 26 weeks then dumps them back to the wp for a new 1

      its called a wage subsidy for taking them on

      super ted

      September 30, 2013 at 8:29 pm

  35. any one know how to get the email addresses from all the comps reg at company’s house?

    when i have my worst cv in the world made up all ask the jcp to post them out for me or give me the postage to send them to 3000000 that r on there and need 1800000 cash to do so for stamps and need 3 million copy’s of my cv printed out.

    i mean 5 jobs a week lets do the fucking lot in 1 go and see what will come back job wise and be done with it.

    super ted

    September 30, 2013 at 8:25 pm

  36. anyone else on this had a call from 02070983949? rang me 3 times, saturday, sunday, and now this evening, didnt answer it, but thinking now it might be about skills conditionality course I am due to start

    marky

    September 30, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    • I googled the number, seems that it’s IFF research and that they calling people on behalf the DWP asking questions about satisfication on courses completed etc.

      Been on any other DWP/JCplus courses recently?

      Steve

      September 30, 2013 at 9:22 pm

      • Actually have been with national careers, but I live no where near london

        marky

        September 30, 2013 at 9:31 pm

  37. skills conditionality course is that for 2 times a week for 3 weeks think its what he said i was going to do in a few weeks time

    super ted

    September 30, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    • wtf is skills conditionality? Does it shift limescale?

      something survived...

      October 1, 2013 at 6:31 pm

  38. no but I am starting skills conditionality course on 7th 0ct

    marky

    September 30, 2013 at 9:23 pm

  39. i told my adviser id done Neuro-linguistic programming in the past and he said he does a bit of pc work fucking unreal 😉

    super ted

    September 30, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    • So much for personalised jobs, UJM told me the other day to apply for a job that I’m not allowed to apply for as it even said in the subject line you are not allowed to be male.

      something survived...

      October 1, 2013 at 6:33 pm

  40. HELP TO WORK – Accelerated sanctions and fewer appeals.

    From the Daily Telegraph’s report on the Help To Work Scheme:

    “Claimants who fail to attend any of the compulsory programmes will face an accelerated sanctions regime with fewer appeals. The first breach of the rules will mean a loss of four weeks’ benefit and the second will forfeit three months’ money”.

    Does this mean it will be easier and quicker for sanctions to be applied, and harder for victims to appeal?

    Compare this latest attack on the poor with the changes in Legal Aid, and the call to curtail Judicial Reviews.

    Keep a look-out for developments on this one.

    Tobanem

    October 1, 2013 at 7:48 am

  41. Some simple facts about unemployment:

    Only 3% of the welfare bill goes on JSA

    94% of JSA claimants are short term

    The nauseous Help to Work Scheme addresses only 0.15% of the total benefits bill

    50% of welfare spending goes on pensions

    A further 25% is spent on in-work benefits

    But never mind, just conveniently ignore the facts and scapegoat the minority long-term unemployed by brainwashing the public with propaganda and voodoo polls!

    Tobanem

    October 1, 2013 at 8:30 am

    • Those unfortunate enough to find themselves trapped in unemployment through no fault of their own are getting bullied by the JobCentre. As someone posted earlier on in the comments this is not about helping people into work, it’s a witch hunt specifically designed in for the purpose of bashing the most vulnerable people in society rather than hunting down the real culprits who created the economic downturn.

      Voluntary and Mandatory work is only worthwhile if it leads to full time work. Cameron and co are only interested in licking the arses of the Daily Mail readers who will keep them in power in 2015. The sooner the removal van pulls up outside number 10 Downing Street the better. Cameron must be the worst PM in history.

      Chris

      October 1, 2013 at 11:12 am

    • Tobanem :
      Some simple facts about unemployment:
      Only 3% of the welfare bill goes on JSA

      94% of JSA claimants are short term
      The nauseous Help to Work Scheme addresses only 0.15% of the total benefits bill
      50% of welfare spending goes on pensions
      A further 25% is spent on in-work benefits
      But never mind, just conveniently ignore the facts and scapegoat the minority long-term unemployed by brainwashing the public with propaganda and voodoo polls!

      Yes…. pensions…. which can stolen from you by the “government”….. and watch out–“bail-in” is soon coming here…. just like the bank accounts of those in Cyprus.

      epsom

      October 1, 2013 at 12:38 pm

  42. IDS is speaking live at the Conservative Conference today at 11:45am, coverage on the Parliament Channel, BBC News Channel and Sky News.

    Lets see what the bastard has to say.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 1, 2013 at 8:38 am

  43. Monday 30th September.

    Total views of posts on your blog 1,628

    Andrew Coates

    October 1, 2013 at 9:42 am

  44. SuperTed in regards to your Fraud post, They just refuse to take or action the complaint , I have tried twice to log a fraud complaint in this matter. First instance I got my usual Treatment by the manage SL refusing to even take the complaint and them threatening me with the police if I tried to record his response

    Today I decided I have had enough I told them I am going to publish the whole lot all the letters all the audio logs I have transcribed and the Audio recordings I have recording themselves for cross reference validate on the transcripts and be damned, They can take me to court I welcome the chance to get this out in the open. The call was then interrupted by manager who claimed I was taking up too much of her employees time she had consulted a dept. solicitor and was terminating the call, stating they would take no more calls from me and any from now on it letters only.

    Anybody got any recommendations for Journalists / news papers bloges etc might be interested?

    Gia anyway I can have your email address? I have finally got an appointment to see my local mp about the entire two years of this , I will have to fully write it up to document it and thought it may amuse you if your interested in the full story.

    growls

    October 1, 2013 at 10:47 am

    • Oops this would help you zulforkeews AT dunflimblag.mailexpire.com , it will be valid for 1 week from now. So spammers can waste their time harvesting it if they want.

      growls

      October 1, 2013 at 10:59 am

    • i did ring the number on the back of the letters i had from my provider but when i say they are committing fraud for the help i received as i was parked for the hole 2 years they just put the phone down and the jcp dont care and wont help me with it at all just saying put it in righting and its my problem to sort out like finding a job!!

      super ted

      October 1, 2013 at 11:26 am

      • Dosn’t shock me, I have received yet another boiler plate letter as the ‘final’ response to my formal complaint of maladministration regarding that issue , use of threats of arrest to deny right to record etc and other abuses of authority i.e. failing to answer any questions ask by deliberate omission etc or stating a stock response to a different unasked question,

        The department that investigated my maladministration complaint was the very same department I made the complaint about Including the manager who REFUSED to take or allow me to a complaint reporting a possible fraudulent situation regarding my WP status. Due to this conflict of interest I had requested an appointment to make my complaint in person to a staff member of Higher rank from outside this department. This is normally considered good practice this was point blank, when the appointment arrived it was for a manager from the same office who would work with and is presumably the same rank as the manager I wished to name in the complaint. When I raised this issue the DWP simply cancelled the appointment.

        Quoting from the first and ‘final’ response I got this is what the DWP consider a though investigation of a complaint

        From the first paragraph

        “In JC plus we operate a tiered process and your complaint has been passed to me for reply. This because the issues you raise are my responsibility as JC plus Services Operations Manager for ***** and I have not yet had an opportunity to address your complaint.”

        3d paragraph from the end states

        “The allegations you have raised have been investigated and discussed with the appropriate members of staff. The individuals were simply performing their normal duties and there is no basis for your view of their conduct”

        So there you have it it is apparently possible for the DWP to hold an investigation for a complete when they havent had the time to address the complaint.

        It is apparently part of SL’s job to deny clients the right to record and refuse to follow their own published guidelines to make alternative arrangements and then intimate peole who insist on standing up for rights with the threat of arrest.

        growls

        October 1, 2013 at 1:03 pm

  45. IDS’ latest batty pronouncement – “Unemployed to be forced to turn up to jobcentres for 35 hours a week to stop them ‘cheating the system’ by secretly working”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2439942/Unemployed-forced-turn-jobcentres-35-hours-week-stop-cheating-secretly-working.html

    Samwise Gamgee

    October 1, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    • Just How Many Desks Chairs Etc Will They Need. How Many More Security Guards. Will We Be Escorted To The Toilet. What About Lunch …..Good Opportunity To Work An Hour Cash In Hand…How Will They Stop That. Will This Be The Same Principal As Dencora House

      philip

      October 1, 2013 at 12:48 pm

      • FAO “Philip”

        You ask “will we be escorted to the toilet”?

        Have I got news for you Philip! There are NO public toilet facilities available in any Jobcentre in Britain!!!

        Perhaps that fact alone will terminate this idiotic move to cram Jobseekers like sardines into overcrowded Jobcentres and make them seek work which doesn’t exist.

        Even if it was possible to physically accommodate all these Jobseekers inside a Jobcentre building, we then come to the meagre number of available computers, and then we have to realise that a lot of long-term unemployed people are computer illiterate.

        And don’t forget the new accelerated sanctions regime which will accompany this cruel Help To Work scheme.

        Tobanem

        October 1, 2013 at 1:07 pm

      • Tobanem……Should make for very interesting, considering the numbers that sign in Ipswich each day. If we ALL have too be at the Jobcentre at the same time for 35 hours persay, where the f will we be accomodated. ALLEGEDLY could there be an empty office block we don’t know of in town ALLEGEDLY

        philip

        October 1, 2013 at 1:13 pm

      • Philip, in one Jobcentre I know of, even the computers are crammed in like sardines – and there’s only four computers! You should see the size of the small makeshift computer room – not much bigger than a sardine can!!!

        Oh, and by the way, there are over 2,000 Jobseekers’ registered at that particular Jobcentre!

        But the absence of something as simple as public toilet facilities in Jobcentres might well be the killer blow for this part of the inane Help To Work scheme!

        Tobanem

        October 1, 2013 at 1:50 pm

      • I Think We Use The Same Jobcentre

        philip

        October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm

      • IDS didn’t say Jobcentres – He said ‘Centres’ which would suggest somewhere else.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        October 1, 2013 at 2:48 pm

      • Work Programe Providers Or Other. There are a few mt office blocks in my home town Maybe Those As Centres ?

        philip

        October 1, 2013 at 5:06 pm

      • In my Jobcentre they only have two IADs. And all the adviser workstations are on top of eachother. I was waiting to sign recently and I overheard two claimants being referred to a decision maker. There’s no privacy in these places; none at all.

        jj joop

        October 1, 2013 at 5:39 pm

      • We have over 19,000 people signing on in Bradford aged between 18 to 65, and only 2 Jobcentres.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        October 4, 2013 at 8:41 am

      • By ‘centre’ IDS probably meant some disused aircraft hanger out in the middle of nowhere.

        Wow, Beanz on Toast Again :-)

        October 4, 2013 at 9:38 am

      • Frankly I imagine it’ll have to be somewhere on the outskirts of towns and cities.

        I can’t see Jobcentres having the space.

        Andrew Coates

        October 4, 2013 at 10:25 am

    • people can still do cash in hand jobs, nights, evenings etc so eventually he will say, invent ‘prisons’ for us all, being unemployed is a crime now, and all to be locked up doing constant jobsearch

      marky

      October 2, 2013 at 7:17 am

      • … yeah, detaining the unemployed in a ‘Centre’ 24/7 – effectively a prison by any other name, I mean what else could it be?

        Wow, Beanz on Toast Again :-)

        October 4, 2013 at 9:45 am

  46. I have written a letter which I intend to email to any potential placement providers in my area who may feel tempted to exploit the unemployed via the chancellor’s Help to Work scheme, so-called. I will know exactly who to contact when he announces more details in his autumn budget forecast. Please feel free to copy and paste.

    In the meantime, I have emailed a copy to Chris Philip. He’s the gentleman, and I use that term loosely, who wrote the Work For The Dole report, which is now government policy. The contact page on this self-satisfied cunt’s website http://www.chrisphilp.co.uk says please feel free to get in touch. So that’s what I’ve done.

    Email: philip_chris@hotmail.com

    Call: 07996 56 55 54

    Dear Sir/Madam

    I understand that you intend to exploit the unemployed and use them as a source of free labour via the government’s so-called Help to Work scheme. I strongly urge you to reconsider your decision to take part in this scheme. Allow me to explain.

    On the day that Chancellor George Osborne announced the details of his ludicrously named Help to Work scheme, I was attending the Work Programme. I overheard one jobseeker say that if he was forced to take part in this scheme, he would carry out a series of carefully calculated acts of vandalism and sabotage that would end up costing the placement provider thousands of pounds. And furthermore, he made it absolutely clear it would happen in circumstances in which he would escape prosecution.

    Other jobseekers who were listening murmured and nodded their heads in agreement. Let me make it clear I do not condone this kind of behaviour, which I can only describe as reckless and irresponsible. Not to mention illegal as well. However, people who are going to be forced into taking part in this scheme under threat of having their Jobseeker’s Allowance stopped if they refuse will almost certainly harbour a great deal of anger and resentment. Quite how this anger and resentment will manifest itself remains to be seen.

    People don’t want Help to Work; they want work. Paid work!

    Yours sincerely

    jj joop

    jj joop

    October 1, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    • Is there anyone who has legal KNOWLEDGE regarding the following?:

      A friend of mine who is 51 has just received a letter from DWP Head Office saying that they have sanctioned him one months JSA.

      This was for supposedly missing an appointment for a jobsearch in JANUARY!!……
      and while he was on a WP with SEETEC.

      He finished the WP a few months ago, and is now signing on for JSA with the jobcentre.

      He cannot remember missing that appointment…. and in this letter received today, they APOLOGISED for the time taken!

      He is sanctioned from 20th of THIS month for 4 weeks.

      Apparently, they have sent out 100,000 sanction letters this week.

      Is this LEGAL?!!
      He was given NO WARNING of this from January until now.

      Thanks,
      epsom

      epsom

      October 2, 2013 at 4:23 pm

  47. I have written a letter which I intend to email to any potential placement providers in my area who may feel tempted to exploit the unemployed via the chancellor’s Help to Work scheme, so-called. I will know exactly who to contact when he announces more details in his autumn budget forecast. Please feel free to copy and paste.

    In the meantime, I have emailed a copy to Chris Philip. He’s the gentleman, and I use that term loosely, who wrote the Work For The Dole report, which is now government policy. The contact page on this self-satisfied cunt’s website http://www.chrisphilp.co.uk says please feel free to get in touch. So that’s what I’ve done.

    Email: philip_chris@hotmail.com

    Call: 07996 56 55 54

    Dear Sir/Madam

    I understand that you intend to exploit the unemployed and use them as a source of free labour via the government’s so-called Help to Work scheme. I strongly urge you to reconsider your decision to take part in this scheme. Allow me to explain.

    On the day that Chancellor George Osborne announced the details of his ludicrously named Help to Work scheme, I was attending the Work Programme. I overheard one jobseeker say that if he was forced to take part in this scheme, he would carry out a series of carefully calculated acts of vandalism and sabotage that would end up costing the placement provider thousands of pounds. And furthermore, he made it absolutely clear it would happen in circumstances in which he would escape prosecution.

    Other jobseekers who were listening murmured and nodded their heads in agreement. Let me make it clear I do not condone this kind of behaviour, which I can only describe as reckless and irresponsible. Not to mention illegal as well. However, people who are going to be forced into taking part in this scheme under threat of having their Jobseekers’ Allowance stopped if they refuse will almost certainly harbour a great deal of anger and resentment. Quite how this anger and resentment will manifest itself remains to be seen.

    People don’t want Help to Work; they want work. Paid work!

    Yours sincerely

    jj joop

    jj joop

    October 1, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    • I did the same. I pointed out that you can’t build a business from one man and his van to a logistics company £80m turnover without some very rich and powerful friends (ie, by acquisition of other business , speculation, asset stripping and making the majority of the work force redundant, before profit taking). This does NOT equate to building a business by “pure hard work”. What a lying bastard.For some reason unemployed people cannot normally gat access to venture capital. Does he not know this?

      Windmill1

      October 6, 2013 at 3:39 pm

  48. 2 computers (IADs) both are broken, no toilets. I think you’re supposed to communicate with the broken computer by telepathy while you piss and shit down yourself. Rendering yourself unemployable and so they sanction you.

    something survived...

    October 1, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    • I know. It’s utterly pointless. I can do all this at home.

      Gipper

      October 1, 2013 at 7:19 pm

      • YES BUT JCP WILL WANT TO PUT A CAMERA OVER YOUR IAD. WON’T THEY ?.

        philip

        October 2, 2013 at 3:11 pm

  49. I am absolutely fuming like you guys for all the above reasons. Have you ever thought of asking them how many people have they actually got into jobs in the last 3 months and ask them how many are still claiming. And whether they have any experience of getting people into work and do they have contacts in the industry? If they worked in the private sector they would get fired!

    The bankers caused the problem not the unemployed. Just string a few of them up before announcing the National Lottery results (cos they like hanging).

    Now that would be popular.

    ps we knew it was going to happen

    Windmill1

    October 1, 2013 at 6:46 pm

  50. In response to JJ Joop there is no privacy. I had a bad meeting with the manager after I complained about a member of her staff who was trying to bully. I gave her the option of speaking to her office but no she wanted to big it up in front of her staff. I told her she was taking a risk. She replied we take this very seriously (not) so I said I am sure your staff would be anxious to know what your definition of bullying is, then produced the OED.. Fail.

    And she has got a job.

    Windmill1

    October 1, 2013 at 7:12 pm

  51. To Stephen I Prasher, we will be having to carry out routine brain procedures and things like that because we are cheap labour and let us face they need their golf (I am not having a go a you ever, please don’t think that)

    Windmill1

    October 1, 2013 at 7:41 pm

  52. Something survived. Of course we all do. Your just showing off now because you can afford toilet paper!

    Windmill1

    October 1, 2013 at 7:49 pm

  53. FAO Obi Wan Kenobi

    You say IDS mentioned “centres” rather than Jobcentres for the new full-time jobsearch regime.

    Even if that is the case, there still remains a number of snags:

    “The office space accommodation snag” – a change of location will not ease that snag!

    “The sufficient numbers of computers snag”

    “The computer illiteracy snag”

    “The absence of sufficient jobs snag”

    “The vindictive Tory ideology snag”

    …and don’t forget the new “accelerated sanctions snag”!

    Tobanem

    October 2, 2013 at 8:45 am

    • …and don’t forget the new Help To Work scheme will only address a very, very small percentage of the overall benefits bill – and it is that last fact that betrays the mean-spirited motive behind this latest Tory attack on the poor and the vulnerable.

      It gets applause at the Tory conference and catches some Tory votes by stirring-up gut-reaction hostility among the unthinking electorate who are ready to scapegoat the unemployed.

      Tobanem

      October 2, 2013 at 8:54 am

      • The only thing Jobcentre plus is fit for is consigning to the scrap heap along with the work programme and the coalition government. It’s been a complete failure for years yet still costs the taxpayer billions to keep it alive.

        You know when something is wrong when the results of a £5 billion programme are worse than what they would have been for doing nothing.

        Chris

        October 2, 2013 at 9:04 am

    • And the stroppy ‘customers’ forced to do this!

      Andrew Coates

      October 2, 2013 at 10:07 am

    • As I understand it, these new ‘Centres’ and regime we will all have to attend on a Monday to Friday 9 till 5 basis won’t be coming into effect until autumn 2014, this is because the DWP have to run ‘Pathfinders’ in two different area’s of the UK and if all goes well (I can hear you laughing now) will be rolled out nationally.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      October 2, 2013 at 10:08 am

      • And talking about rolling stuff out nationally, just look at dismal Universal Credit, that was initally going to start to be rolled out nationally from ‘errr’ ‘yesterday’, that has now been put back till at least April next year.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        October 2, 2013 at 10:16 am

      • Roll out september october 2014. Two Parts Of Uk ?????? what if scotland votes to quit and become independent. Maybe ALLEGEDLY this is what they are trying to stop ALLEGEDLY

        philip

        October 2, 2013 at 10:43 am

      • How we larfed, indeed.

        Andrew Coates

        October 2, 2013 at 10:45 am

      • OBI. IS NOT OCTOBER WHEN SCOTLAND VOTES ON INDEPENDENCE. THIS WILL THEN SHOW WHAT THE TRUE UNEMPLOYMENT FIGURES IN ENGLAND [ONLY] REALLY ARE

        MR BROWN

        October 7, 2013 at 7:56 am

  54. Now we have Boris the buffoon continuing the attack on British workshy youth:

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/tory-conference-boris-johnson-launches-2330032

    Here is an editorial comment about Boris:

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/record-view-boris-johnson-says-2330025

    Tobanem

    October 2, 2013 at 9:28 am

  55. “Cameron’s father was “instrumental” in setting up the Panamanian company, Blairmore Holdings, in 1982, which was exempt from UK tax, when David was a pupil at Eton aged 16.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/apr/20/cameron-family-tax-havens

    “BLAIRMORE HOLDINGS, INC.”

    “Directors
    John Anderson
    Jeroen Bos
    Ian Cameron
    Brent Haines
    James Hoar
    Andrew Hunziker
    Daniel Martineau
    Nicholas Peppiatt
    Betty Roberts
    Patrick Smiley
    Andrew Weight”

    http://globaldocuments.morningstar.com/documentlibrary/Document/ec3dcb9ffb02c630042fa1ac2c7d56de.msdoc/original

    Annos

    October 2, 2013 at 10:49 am

  56. QUICK – Let’s all move to Scotland!

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 2, 2013 at 11:53 am

    • BETTER HOPE WE GET VACCINATED AGAINST ”LOCH JAW” IS THERE A LAW AGAINST NOT LIKING HAGGIS

      philip

      October 2, 2013 at 3:02 pm

  57. philip :
    BETTER HOPE WE GET CAN VACCINATED AGAINST ”LOCH JAW” IS THERE A LAW AGAINST NOT LIKING HAGGIS

    philip

    October 2, 2013 at 3:09 pm

  58. Is there anyone who has legal KNOWLEDGE regarding the following?:

    A friend of mine who is 51 has just received a letter from DWP Head Office saying that they have sanctioned him one months JSA.

    This was for supposedly missing an appointment for a jobsearch in JANUARY!!……
    and while he was on a WP with SEETEC.

    He finished the WP a few months ago, and is now signing on for JSA with the jobcentre.
    He cannot remember missing that appointment…. and in this letter received today, they APOLOGISED for the time taken!

    He is sanctioned from 20th of THIS month for 4 weeks.

    Apparently, they have sent out 100,000 sanction letters this week.
    Is this LEGAL?!!

    He was given NO WARNING of this from January until now.

    Thanks,
    epsom

    epsom

    October 2, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    • i also have one from work program received last week, saying i missed an appointment july 2013, past caring me now they cant sanction me no more.

      needajob

      October 4, 2013 at 12:39 pm

  59. This is a very highly specialist area of law. Legal Aid lawyers are as rare as hens teeth. Your local CAB could send the case to local Welfare Rights. If they think there is a case they will represent BUT and it is a big BUT, IF only your friend has NOT been interviewed under CAUTION. Otherwise you need a specialist lawyer.

    Windmill1

    October 2, 2013 at 6:41 pm

  60. 50% of the enormous welfare bill goes on pensioners, only 2% goes on the unemployed, wake up Cameron and stop attacking the unemployed.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    October 4, 2013 at 9:20 am

    • You’re right, Obi Wan Kenobi. In fact, I said much the same thing in comment #67 on this same page the other day!

      Some simple facts about unemployment:

      Only 3% of the welfare bill goes on JSA

      94% of JSA claimants are short term

      The nauseous Help to Work Scheme addresses only 0.15% of the total benefits bill

      50% of welfare spending goes on pensions

      A further 25% is spent on in-work benefits

      But never mind, just conveniently ignore the facts and scapegoat the minority long-term unemployed by brainwashing the public with propaganda and voodoo polls!

      Tobanem

      October 4, 2013 at 10:01 am

      • You two have hit the nail right on the head.

        jj joop

        October 4, 2013 at 11:59 am

  61. And it might also be helpful to repeat the warning about the “accelerated sanctions regime” – with “fewer appeals”.

    The Daily Telegraph reported:

    “Claimants who fail to attend any of the compulsory [Help To Work] programmes will face an accelerated sanctions regime with fewer appeals. The first breach of the rules will mean a loss of four weeks’ benefit and the second will forfeit three months’ money”.

    Presumably, the term “fewer appeals” means it is going to be much harder for sanctions victims to lodge appeals in the first place.

    Tobanem

    October 4, 2013 at 12:48 pm

  62. well i went to see someone about making a cv up as was told they have to send me on a course to do that and that she was not able to do 1 today so said my adviser said i have to give him 1 next time i signed on and showed his hand writing on the letter demanding 1 for the next time i see him and that’s the only reason i was there.

    was made to wait as they had to see some one else first and then went down to give my adviser a bollocking as they were not able to do my cv there and he knew that in the first place b4 he even sent me to see them so guess he hoped id not have shown up in the first place n signed off.

    i bet he never thought id be sanctioning him first pmsl 😉

    super ted

    October 4, 2013 at 4:29 pm

  63. I have been told I have to do MWA and to expect a call from a provider in the next few days to tell me where its going to be at. She said it has to be something that helps the community and its normally 30 hours but it might be more, it depends on the placement, like if its a charity shop that’s open 9 – 5 I’ll have to do that. That’s 40 hours (or more if they try to get me in on weekends too)

    stacey

    October 6, 2013 at 9:27 pm

  64. jcp got no number for me, they can send a letter end of 😉

    super ted

    October 6, 2013 at 9:39 pm


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