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A4E Fraud Charges as Work Programme Collapses.

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The Crown Prosecution Service announces,

Sue Patten, Head of Fraud at the Crown Prosecution Service, said: “Following an investigation by the Thames Valley Police Economic Crime Unit, the CPS has authorised charges against six women and three men in connection with alleged fraudulent activity at Action 4 Employment (A4E), a social purpose company contracted by the Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) to deliver the ‘Inspire to Aspire’ employment and training scheme.

“It is alleged that between February 2009 and February 2013 nine A4E employees including one contract manager, seven recruiters and an administrator, employed across three A4E offices in the South East of England, committed numerous offences of fraud. It is alleged that they forged documentation to support fraudulent claims to the DWP for reward payments which, under the terms of the contract, were paid out when the scheme successfully placed individuals in employment. It is alleged that many of the reward payments related either to people who never attended A4E or to clients whom A4E had not successfully placed in employment. The contract was to deliver motivation and training and to assist people to find employment.

“The nine individuals are charged with a total of 60 offences, including conspiracy to defraud, multiple counts of forgery, and making and possessing articles for use in fraud.

“This decision to prosecute was taken in accordance with the Code for Crown Prosecutors. We have determined that there is a realistic prospect of conviction and that a prosecution is in the public interest.

“All individuals will appear before Slough Magistrates’ Court on 14 October 2013.

“All individuals are now the subject of criminal proceedings and have the right to a fair trial. It is extremely important that nothing should be reported which could in any way prejudice these proceedings.”

When will they get round to Emma?  we ask.

Meanwhile the Work Programme is disarray.

The government has put a brave face on its failures by saying,

More than 168,000 jobseekers have escaped long-term unemployment and found lasting work – normally at least 6 months – through the Work Programme, an increase of 37,000 in three months, new figures show.

Minister for Employment Mark Hoban said: “Previous schemes didn’t provide the right support for the long-term unemployed and offered poor value for money for the taxpayer. We launched the Work Programme to tackle this so people got the help they needed to find a job and, crucially, given support to stay in work.”

Johnny Void says,

Statistics released by the DWP today show that the performance of the Work Programme – which was already achieving less than doing nothing at all – is steadily getting worse.

By June 2013 a lower percentage of people who had been on the scheme for one full year had found a job which lasted at least 6 months  – known as a sustained job outcome – than in the previous two months.  In April 2013 14% of claimants who had been on the scheme for one year had found sustained jobs, by June this had dropped to 13%.

Following intervention by the UK Statistics Agency, the latest Work Programme figures now focus on the numbers of people finding work after spending one year on the scheme.  This change has been introduced to reflect that the longer someone has been on the two year Work Programme, the more likely they are to find a job.  This means that the number of job outcome payments, paid to welfare-to-work companies when someone has been in work for six months (or 3 months for the ‘hardest to help’), will rise over time.  This has nothing to do with the Work Programme becoming more successful – it simply means that as more people are referred onto the programme, and more people have been on the scheme longer, then there will be more job outcomes.

The Morning Star points out that this is no success,

Employment Minister Mark Hoban can manipulate his figures for as long as he wants to portray his Work Programme as a glowing success, but he’s wasting his and our time.

A programme that delivers a proper job to a measly 4 per cent of participants after a year on the scheme is a failure and does not merit ministerial praise as “significantly improving.”

The Work Programme has in year two of the scheme found sustained employment for just 17 per cent of 18 to 24-year-olds even though the Department for Work and Pensions estimated that, left to their own devices, 30 per cent would be able to do so.

Similar negative results apply for workers aged 25 and over, those coming off employment support allowance and, worst of all, disabled workers.

The cruel, short-sighted policy of shutting down Remploy factories – imposed by both Con-Dem and new Labour governments – has prevented growing numbers of disabled people from earning their own living.

Further, the disproportionate effect of the bedroom tax on the disabled exposes the bogus claims made during last year’s successful Paralympic games in London.

By any standards, the government’s flagship employment policy is a failure in terms of finding people proper jobs.

In the meantime people coming off the Work Programme are beginning to be shunted onto yet more ‘schemes’ run by the usual ‘providers’.

A little birdie tells us that a “big shake up” in planned for us at the start of December.

This does not sound promising. 




Written by Andrew Coates

September 27, 2013 at 2:50 pm

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  1. This big shake up wouldn’t have anythying to do with today’s Mail headline regarding workfare (off the back of another attempt by the bullshitters at the Policy Exchange).

    ghost whistler

    September 27, 2013 at 3:47 pm

  2. Under a Tory government: Greedy incompetent bankers get rewarded. Pedos get knighted. Disabled get victimized. Criminals get are given employment with government jobs. Billions of pounds gets wasted. Everything not nailed down gets sold. Peaceful protesters get assaulted. Roll on 2015


    September 27, 2013 at 3:56 pm

  3. I’m off the WP soon, at least then if I get a job they are history and no outcome payment out of any efforts I make! That alone is a good thing.
    Mind you, never mind the ‘schemes’ for people coming off the WP, the jobcentres are seemingly putting on the pressure too.
    And if the adviser is a psychopath it’s more sanctions I guess. I still will refuse their bullshit and they will have to either go by the book or ignore the DWPs own rules and sanction me. As they all so often do.

    After last years 7 and a half months of sanctions I have now gone through a further 17 weeks due to an adviser being an arsehole at the job centre. I am due to be getting JSA again just before my WP ends. I look forward to my exit report.

    I have been told off the record that i will have to go into the JC for 10 consecutive days to be ‘tortured/interrogated’ by one of three people.
    One of the three seems alright, that’s the one I will demand to be seeing. Yep, that’s right, demand! Because if I get the worst of the three I will ask for the nicer adviser. I will refuse to see the very same adviser who put through my 13 week sanction unfairly. That’s fair!

    I’m just living day to day now. The charity of family and friends. Get a job? Yeah, that would be nice. There’s just so many suitable jobs to choose from. Even the unsuitable ones are few and far between. Whose fault? My fault? It’s all down to the advisers sat in front of you,
    Get a good one, you should be alright, a psychopathic one and you are going to struggle.

    No screenshot today Mr No? Erm? No. Sorry, maybe next time.

    Is no screenshot sanctionable? Hmmm? More sanction fun to come, then i can have a bash at these hardship payments. Told them to stick them last time. You have to beg for those too. Fuck ’em. They work for us! They just don’t know that. A mini rant in part there perhaps?

    Stay strong people.

    Mr No

    September 27, 2013 at 4:34 pm

  4. i went to my exit review this week but never got my report as he said he got nothing to put on it lol as i have not been since my induction 2 years ago so was a ghost on the system/ parked start to finish, nice 400 quid for fuck all n it.

    and they was kind enough to sanction my money 3 times as well so lets see what the jcp think about that one 😉

    super ted

    September 27, 2013 at 4:47 pm

  5. After reading the WP stats and the supporting documents the outcome is 10.5%..In other words a failure! but they keep spouting on about “Economic Conditions” If we accept that at face value(sic) fine..Yet on the other hand IDS and his cronies blame the unemployed for not finding work in this robust economy..shirkers..News Flash….You can’t have it both ways ASSHOLE!


    September 27, 2013 at 4:58 pm

  6. Is this the “big shake up”?:


    Or is the “big shake” up something far worse?


    September 27, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    • The “big shape up” is apparently planned for December. That means it will be ready in time for the first batch of Work Programme returners who returned from the disastrous Work Programme in June to face 6 months of the “hit squad” regime.

      And just when they thought the “hit squad” regime would be over by Christmas!

      Happy New Year!!


      September 27, 2013 at 5:49 pm

      • Just how the hell to they intend to enforce this worfare lark anyway. My understanding is that wp returners were supposed to be doing it as early as June. But no employers will touch it. I mean do companies really want their own in-house wrecker as it were. Just think of the havoc just one person could wreak. One person could leave a company teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Think about it.

        jj joop

        September 27, 2013 at 6:15 pm

      • Exactly.

        Andrew Coates

        September 28, 2013 at 3:33 pm

      • So you get your letter for the hit squad interview. The letter gets stuck in the post with the rest of the christmas mail then sanctions sanctions sanctions. Maybe the hit squads should start sending reminders by text or emails ? Some bloody hope


        September 28, 2013 at 4:14 pm

  7. For “jj joop”

    Yes, Work Experience and Mandatory Work Activity and SOARING SANCTIONS are already being used by these Jobcentre hit squads, but the Tories are still not satisfied – they want to turn the thumb screws even tighter.

    Mind you, you can expect plenty of “red meat to the blue rinses” next week at the Conservative party conference in Manchester where the “workshy” are likely to be given a good flogging by the speech makers.

    By the way, the Tories will get FREE transport in Manchester next week – in a city that has been savaged by coalition spending cuts. See this link:



    September 27, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    • the job centre are saying so many thousand vacancies then so many hundred within a distance,they are trying to make out there is no shortage of vacancies the “hit squad” advises.

      someone cannot go for a job as a maths teacher or a dental nurse off the hoof.most of these “jobs” are agency,noting sustainable,often shift work at some distance without public transport or little hours.they will say anything to try and justify their case without proper investigation and seem to imply sending the claim “upstairs” for sanction.

      these hit squad interviews are nothing but bullying and intimidation and offer no substance to any solution.


      September 29, 2013 at 9:16 pm

      • This proves a point on ujm when you have 3 pages of catalouge distributor all self employed all kleeneze


        September 30, 2013 at 8:33 am

  8. Things will never change for the better with regard to how they treat the unemployed.

    The long term unemployed? They would shoot us all if they thought they could get away with it.

    The big shake up is just more work for your benefit shite. Fuck that too! Media bullshit,

    I’ll offer them the amount of hours at the minimum wage that equates to the weekly amount of JSA So that’s about 11 hours a week. That is what I will be sticking to.
    Anyway, it hasn’t happened yet. When or indeed if it does arrive, Bollocks to that, if I’m working then that’s requiring an hourly rate in my book. Anything more then 11 hours is against my fucking morals. It’s wrong.
    Who in this country would work around 30 hours a week for 71 fucking quid?
    They think we all have such a grand life on JSA do they? Nah, they really know we suffer, they lie to enhance the suffering of the less strong willed. The least fortunate. The pliable people, That’s what they want conformity. No questions. Just do as we say.

    11 hours. Yep, I could do that for my benefit, I don’t think anyone should have to do such, but I personally could accept that. If it ensured my JSA. Until I got one of those job things they tell me exist.

    Sanctions? For really taking the piss maybe. But just for any old reason, because they believe something they cannot prove to be true? Just on suspicion? Yep. They do that too.

    Had a great new adviser at the JC for a short while. New job role for them so new adviser next week. Ooh, another sanction? My adviser told me that she’ll be alright as long as I have my jobsearch written down. She will ask me why I don’t do it online etc.

    I love the really nice advisers who don’t kick you when you’re down. And who are genuinely sympathetic. So rare, so lucky if you have such an adviser. Before they are all gone and the lunatics really have taken complete control. 80% psychopaths at the moment I reckon.

    On topic? A4e fraud? Old news, just that they finally caught a few of the ones with their hands in the till. Never mind the suffering they cause thousands of people every day.
    I mean the general view, the unknown to the masses view.
    Not of this fine website and the contributors.

    Lend us a fiver someone!

    Stay strong people.

    Mr No

    September 27, 2013 at 6:33 pm

  9. The “big shske” up will probably be just another (workfare)scam for muti million pound companies to pay no wages to jobseekers and /or an excuse to shovel millions/billions? to them like this Government has already done with A4E and the other charlatan companies who have done bugger all on the Work Programme. It is just fraud after fraud with these lying ,thieving,conning bastards.


    September 27, 2013 at 6:39 pm

  10. How about the crime of being the work programme in the first place? Being fascist scum? Wrecking our lives? And yes I thought why not start with Emma – or, has she cut a deal for immunity?

    something survived...

    September 27, 2013 at 7:04 pm

  11. is there anyone else that done the hole 2 years and not gone to the provider?

    cant be just me that got binned

    super ted

    September 27, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    • Hello Super Ted

      Most people were “parked” rather than “binned” as you were while on the Work Programme. Perhaps that’s not much different!

      A lot of people were only called in for interview every few months, and many people hardly saw the same advisor twice in a row because they kept reshuffling them like a pack of cards.

      In any event, 80% of Work Programme participants returned to the Jobcentre as unemployed – only to face the hit squads with the new intensified regime of Work Experience, Mandatory Work Activity AND soaring sanctions! And now the latest attack is the “big shake up” – whatever that turns out to be!

      By the way, do you intend to use your “no contract” defence if you are put on to Mandatory Work Activity?


      September 27, 2013 at 7:38 pm

  12. By the way, do you intend to use your “no contract” defence if you are put on to Mandatory Work Activity?

    they sent me on a mandatory work programme n look where that got me lol i also been on the work force as well over the years so that dont work anyway so there pissing in the wind.

    my provider has taken the ref fee and told me to jog on from day 1 and that is fraud in my book and i knew that was what they were going to do anyway, and now got proof as i kept all the paper work from the last 2 years won all my fake sanctions and they have now vanished from the jcp system as well but still got 1 from b4 the wp so wtf is going on there then?

    no wonder the guy i seen for my exit report shit a brick when i showed up as under contract they have to provide an exit report for the next load of bs from the jcp and they have nothing on there system for me to even make 1 so will wait and see what pops out at the jcp end.

    if they lie on it ill take them to court for slander as its all made up if they dont provide jcp with 1 there also fucked as they got nothing to put on it other than parked was unemployable not worth the office space and binned from day 1.and that is the truth.

    super ted

    September 27, 2013 at 8:07 pm

  13. Super ted before they drove me to illness and Esa my provider took the fee and Never even gave me an induction because I insisted on recording it, they had security remove me from the building.

    Didnt stop them raising 3 sanction doubts against me though


    September 27, 2013 at 11:06 pm

  14. Latest Update:

    * No systematic fraud found at A4e
    * Solely a few “bad apples” – individuals to be prosecuted separately
    * A4e awarded with larger contracts in the future as compensation for the distress their employees have caused them by singing from the same hymn sheet
    * A4e Emma laughing to the bank, yet again (the bank were laughing too, but at her!)

    Universal Jobmatch

    September 28, 2013 at 8:38 am

  15. Here is an interesting letter about recruiting at Jobcentres:


    I wonder what the new “big shake up” from the Tories will do to the desperate conditions already in place at Jobcentres? Employers will not want to be deluged with unsuitable applicants at every turn, but then, that might be the downfall of the “big shake up”!!


    September 28, 2013 at 8:43 am

    • Tobanem, All I was told was that this is going to happen.

      I pressed for details but got none.

      Andrew Coates

      September 28, 2013 at 9:55 am

  16. If one seeks the future then looking at UC is a good place to start.


    September 28, 2013 at 10:04 am


    A slight change of subject matter here.

    By way of one more harrowing example of the ludicrous events surrounding unemployed people these days, a blind man was recently found fit for work and told he had to visit a Jobcentre to SEE the vacancies available to him.

    I don’t know if they have vacancies available in Braille at Jobcentres, but I doubt there is such a thing as a Braille version of a hyperlink – that’s the thing you point a computer mouse at and click to take you into a web page. And I know for certain that there is definitely not a Braille version of the touch screens used on Jobcentre jobpoints.

    Moreover, how do they expect someone to subsequently record daily evidence of jobseeking without the faculty of sight?

    This story is so callously absurd, it is like asking someone to send a parcel by email!


    September 28, 2013 at 1:52 pm



      September 28, 2013 at 2:19 pm

  18. philip :
    So you get your letter for the hit squad interview. The letter gets stuck in the post with the rest of the christmas mail then sanctions sanctions sanctions. Maybe the hit squads should start sending reminders by text or emails ? Some bloody hope

    i had my letter given to me the last time i signed on and has no name on it for me to see tho but ill just get however is on at the time i go i gess

    super ted

    September 28, 2013 at 4:31 pm

  19. I will soon be off the WP and asked my “Adviser” at the JCP if I would be required to do job search 35 hours a week? her reply was “I think we will require 37 hours per week” okay and where will I do this,here? “The computers(2) here are for Universal Credit only,if you do not have access to a computer,here is a list of libraries within a 90 mile radius which you will be expected to use,most have a 2 hour maximum,so you may have to use multiple locations daily”….WOW,will travel be covered by the JCP? “At this time we will not cover travel,but will credit you for travel time,you must be able to account for a total of at least 35 hours of job search or be subject to a sanction”..Unplanned,Unprepared and Unfuckingbelievable!


    September 28, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    • yea thats what 1 said to me as well pmsl said r you getting any iad in for this task and was told no have to do a 35hr a week job search at the local library so said cant get more than 2 hrs a day and there r only 3 left in the hole city as they closed them all it soon shut up about it then. and to top it all they turned off all of the job points so you cant even look for work at my jcp now fucking brilliant idea that is be fucking riots in there if they try this shit where i am or do they want to work in a war zone 😉

      super ted

      September 28, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    • I was recently told at JCP to do 30 hours jobsearch per week and apply for 5 jobs per week.

      Landless Peasant

      September 28, 2013 at 10:54 pm

  20. This gets more depressing by the day!

    Carol Joyce

    September 28, 2013 at 9:36 pm

  21. “Even bankrupt Ireland has a more generous benefits regime than Britain. Basic Jobseeker’s Allowance there is nearly £200 a week, with over £100 for dependants. This hasn’t discouraged hundreds of the world’s greatest companies from investing in the Republic ”



    September 29, 2013 at 12:53 pm

  22. In the Uk The AVERAGE daily wage is 71.70p. The WEEKLY jsa is 71.70p


    September 29, 2013 at 2:41 pm

  23. What an absolute farce, this so called Government could not Organise a piss up in a Brewery, I suggest anybody coming across fraud at either their Maximus or A4E offices cuts out the Middle Man and contacts the Crown Prosecution service Directly by Email as I have just done, because you will have a very long wait for the likes of Duncan Smith to do a dam thing about it.

    David Anthony Penson

    September 29, 2013 at 2:57 pm

  24. Here is the fate of the long term unemployed in the new “HELP TO WORK SCHEME”:

    The new rules will apply to around 200,000 long-term Jobseeker’s Allowance claimants a year, who have failed to find employment after completing the Coalition’s [failed] Work Programme.

    They will then be given an “end of term report” [Exit Report?] assessing why they have not found work and assigning them to one of three compulsory programmes.

    A third of the long term unemployed will end up on the MANDATORY INTENSIVE REGIME to address underlying problems including illiteracy, alcoholism or mental health troubles.

    Another third will be expected to visit a Jobcentre every day, signing an attendance register in the morning then spending the day working on job applications.

    The remaining third would go on to Community Work Placements, spending 30 hours a week doing community work organised by Jobcentre staff or local charities.

    The new scheme is due to be launched next spring and will be announced at the Tory party conference in Manchester.

    Happy New Year!


    September 30, 2013 at 7:53 am


      Help = harassment and intimidation

      Work = Workfare

      In this new sickeningly named Help to Work scheme, there will also be “accelerated sanctions and fewer appeals”!

      God help the poor.


      September 30, 2013 at 8:34 am

    • As my previous post notes…..Just intime for the start of the next General Election Campagin and the independence vote in Scotland. Wonder how many THAT will take off the UK unemployment figures. Lets wait till the referendum votes are ”counted” in 1 year


      September 30, 2013 at 8:40 am

  25. I see news travels fast.

    This attending jobcentre everyday is quite interesting as how do they profess to run it exactly.
    I don’t see computer rooms being fitted out in peoples local JCP, does this mean wasting more money justifying the existence of ingeus, A4E to name a couple or is accessing a pc the claimants problem and even then it could only work if claimants were seen at the end of the day.

    I don’t know about others but I suspect DWP still believe that their going to get everyone on UJ as how else will they possibly pull this off at reduced cost.

    I see their going to peddle the same lack lust work placements as usual what with finding work best matched to the individual claimants skill sector being just to hard. As always realism has no place as the national minimum wage in relation to benefits doesn’t get put on the table yet again which smacks in the face of WORK FOR BENEFIT I think.

    I think a few more FOIs are warranted as to exactly what the claimant will gain from such a placement as any who have already worked stand to gain nothing of any value I can see currently apart from its acceptable to ignore the nat min wage and if im ever an employer that its perfectly ok for me to manipulate employment law/rights so as to pay my staff less.


    September 30, 2013 at 8:43 am

  26. Gaia. I don’t know if you are aware but at the Jobcentre I use, lets just say it’s a major town in Suffole k [With it’s own football team]. There is the entrance where you sign on. There are computers there for customer use. There have been previous posts over this too. At the end of the signing area, there are some empty offices. Previous posts have shown these to be started to get fitted with computers. If they are for public or staff use remains to be seen


    September 30, 2013 at 8:49 am

    • Thanks Phillip, I did not know this as it has yet to appear in any of the offices in my area.

      Do you know by any chance how many as this will give us an idea of the ratio of how many will visit the DWP everyday as opposed to work placements if they are for us lot that is.

      Maybe their for those that cant be placed like newly released cons, pedos and other heavy barrier type claimants to work.

      I personally feel sorry for these placement employers as I wouldn’t want someone working in my place of business that was forced against their will through threat of sanctions. Theirs no telling what they might get up to as a sign of protest, especially if they refuse to sign a conditions contract which legally under law they can.


      September 30, 2013 at 9:48 am



    September 30, 2013 at 8:54 am

    • Why do you think they have done that BOOTS and how did you spot them.


      September 30, 2013 at 9:51 am



    September 30, 2013 at 8:55 am

  29. Just watched Osborne being interviewed by the BBC and when asked doesn’t it need investment, he paused.


    This clearly shows the working public are clueless as yes it is an added expense, an added expense that doesn’t actually get people into work or close as that’s not what its about and is infact more of a money pit than the failed work programme when we consider results.

    As crazy as it sounds I believe the working public think this will actually get everyone off the dole, that they will all craft an award winning CV and get a job just like that. Lets forget about the fact that TNT along with other branded companies have already been applied to by most claimants I suspect as who else can afford to hire people year in, year out.

    I think the employers and government were right, the working publics math skills are none existent as how can only being paid £71 a week be more costly than one scheme after another that has under both Labour and Conservatives failed to produce any meaningful results.

    When are they going to address the problem of WHY ARENT OUR BUSINESSES EMPLOYING THE LONGTERM UNEMPLOYED and why should employers hire this bracket after such government support as calling them feckless, lazy and every other negative todate.


    September 30, 2013 at 9:20 am

  30. well i went to my post wp interview and it was a load of bollocks as normal told them about the wp binning me from day 1 and was not interested about it and just kept saying he wants a cv from me end of and booked me in to see some one about making 1 up or will get a sanction doubt if i dont give him 1 in 2 weeks time and wants what there is on the jcp work history they got for me what is 1 job 8 years ago done 1 week and another 10 years ago that was 4 days so waste of time even doing 1

    also wants 2 months bank statements and as i use online banking asked if they will pay for it as its 15 quid from my bank, no answer so i said i can take a pic of it on my phone but only shows the last 4 transactions and said that’s ok but dident like it.

    i now have to apply for 5 jobs a week and if i dont and they can find that many on ujm that i can get 2 and never applied for them they will send my claim up for sanction doubt.

    asked if these jobs included agency jobs and skilled work as i cant apply for them and got no answer to that and just said again if they can find jobs i can get 2 and i dont apply they will send it for a sanction doubt.

    so if i dont apply for a job within a 90 min range of my home and they can find it on ujm and i dont apply for it or find 5 a week ill get sanctioned even if its a job i cant do but is in my range of 90mins

    i will also have to do a 3 week course on some interview help in November time what i have done over and over again so will prob do 1 day n get told to fuck off as ive done it 9 times.

    also tried to get an email addr out of me and my phone number and got pissed when i said no so went on to say can i email him my cv when its done n said i not stupid ill never give you my email addr from my computer ever and said when i see this person about doing my cv will they do it for me and print it out as i got no printer at home and said urmm well yes i guess so so said ill just get them to put what you have on me on ur system n that will be me cv then good luck making that look good and getting a job match on ujm cos it wont work

    only change on my jsa is the 5 jobs a week and phone 2 a week the rest is the same as it was b4.

    asked again about my provider dumping me and taking the ref fee as i class that as fraud and received no help at all and just said put it in righting if i got a problem with it and send it to them said ok and also asked if they had got my exit report from them and he just said we dont need them the wp is finished and there not interested in what they did or did not do to help me any way.

    so i got to apply for 5 jobs a week even if its agency or skilled work if its within 90 mins even tho id never get the job or get sanctioned

    go see someone to help me with a cv with hardly nothing to go on it so waste of time or get sanctioned

    and do a 3 week interview help course again or get sanctioned.

    was there well over an hour and sanction is the new fav word slip up once and they will raise a doubt it seems even if i only can find 9 out of ten jobs i need to apply for it seems and for me that is near impossible as the most i ever found in 1 week i could apply for and get to on public transport was 3 and thats how many i apply d for for the last 2 weeks on my job search.

    super ted

    September 30, 2013 at 11:20 am

  31. i also had to ask for a job search sheet as was asked to leave and had not been given 1 during the interview to try and trip me up.

    super ted

    September 30, 2013 at 11:28 am

  32. Before I begin The biggest ammunition that DWP have as regards getting the power to subject a claimant to a 35 hour search and even claim that their lazy is the fact most claimants jobseekers agreements only state evidence of small amounts like in super teds case 5 jobs a week. It makes absolutely no difference that this was agreed by both parties as keeping it low is in the best interests of DWP and their future plans.

    Just because as you say you have no work experience doesn’t imply you don’t automatically have no transferable skills.

    For instance the only jobs that require qualifications by law are those that put people at risk (duty of care) which are often skilled jobs like doctors, gas engineers, welders, you get the drift. This being the case means even if the ad states you must actually your often find legally you don’t like for instance you don’t need qualifications to work in a warehouse or in retail so its an employers preference. They will try the usual H&S crap to justify it but this isn’t true as shelf fillers don’t now or ever have a duty of care as does neither a warehouse making the agreement if presented right MUTE.

    For instance did you know their is no legal requirement to employer or employee to hold a CSCS card on a construction site ?

    Did you know that drug and alcohol testing in the workplace is only mandatory when and only if using heavy machinery (just like drink drive and prescription pill laws). This means that the potential employer cant force anyone to take such a test at the interview stage and for obvious reasons. So again they can request it but they cant order it as a legal requirement despite using a few acts to endorse it. To be honest the only legal requirement in the whole affair is the DPA as regards what gets done with the data of the test their after.

    Naturally as employers are so lazy and constantly lie they wont hire you but none the less you have entered a legit piece of jobsearch evidence if you applied for any non skilled job asking for a CSCS or asking for a D&D test at the interview stage.

    Also don’t forget what I said in another post as regards this 90 min travel in that your perfect allowed to look for work further than 90 min and that employers seldom ever hire non locals for nat min positions which is actually more to do with availability for extra work and the likelihood of always getting in on time as we all know public transport is terrible at that.


    October 2, 2013 at 2:30 pm

  33. The trick is to separate your real jobsearch from your jobseeker requirements as whats to say what you enter as evidence is the sum total of your job search if and only if you reach your weekly points of evidence and of course don’t declare its the sum total.

    Who really after all gives a crap what DWP want, feed them a carrot and thus free up your time to search for actual work you want to do rather than what your forced to do.

    We are not beholding to just UJ, theirs other sites you can join and present evidence from that DWP cant snoop on like monster, indeed, etc. Here your find it provides all the evidence you did apply but prevents them from anything they can use to verify unless of course they want to state the jobsite in question is lying which they wont as they will lose in court rather badly. The only place you have to be legit is when using UJ as they can check but do remember its no good applying for nurse jobs on one site while not on UJ as they will ask and you will be caught out so stick to jobs you believe you can do on all sites including UJ like shelf filling, handyman, warehouse, packing, etc dependant on how physical you are (ie might be in a wheel chair for instance).

    Once the claimant gets use to it, they can produce tons of job applications in a faction of time and the greatest part if done right is, YOUR NOT LYING yet they cant do nothing about.

    Don’t be shy to put in for these 19 to 24 apprenticeships regardless of age as that’s just the company being tight and using the governments scheme to fleece money from the taxpayers not to mention how they get around the nat min law, they cant legally enforce it period.

    Claimants need to get the mindset that DWP really, really don’t give a fig about claimants so why give a fig about what they want so give them the carrot and be done with them and I guarantee if you realise what I am saying you could all give them tons of evidence thus muting their televised bull.


    October 2, 2013 at 3:04 pm

  34. I was sent to Seetec and they did nothing to help me, Everything they did just wasted time I could of used to look for work, example: Sending me to ’employability sessions’ Over and over again, I know how to make a CV, I know how to dress for an interview i’m 21 years old not 12! They do not admit their own faults either, I had asked my consultant to book me in for a meeting with Citizens Advice to find out what could be done about a loan I was scammed into taking (£3000 student loan), He booked me into a session at Seetec which is not what I asked for, He then failed to tell me that that it was at Seetec and of course, I had gone to the CAB office, 2 weeks later I receive letters saying there is a doubt on my entitlement, He had obviously reported me.. I explained to DWP and to my Seetec consultant what had happened but of course they just accused me of being lazy and I quote from JAMES CLARKE (SEETEC, BEDFORD OFFICE) ‘You are nothing but a drain on government resources, You do not deserve benefits if you are not willing to look for work’ .. … That was out of order, I tried to appeal this decision but instead I was sanctioned even longer, for 13 weeks!, Recently I got another job (ON MY OWN!) and I was told that Seetec would help with travel costs for 1 MONTH, To get to Milton Keynes from my area costs £113 a month, Seetec refused to refund me and instead gave me Love2Shop vouchers (£30) What was I supposed to do with that? Buy a pillow from Argos and eat that? Or hope that my landlord accepts clothes as legal tender?…. The Work Programme is full of hypocrites, They insult us and judge us because they are stuck in a dead end job.. Yes there are some people out there that do nothing to find work, But treating us all the same is just unacceptable, It needs to be reformed, And they should be paid LESS so they can see how it feels, I do not pay tax to be insulted after being out of work for 3 weeks.. They are very very lucky I did not take them to court!


    November 1, 2013 at 6:51 pm

  35. The Work Programme isn’t getting people back to work. I know, I was a consultant on the scheme for over two years. Around 80 to 90 % of those that find work, whilst attached to the scheme, do so under their own steam. All the providers really do is monitor what their clients are up to, and then submit their job details to the DWP when they go into work. The providers are paid anything between four and a half to fourteen and a half thousand pounds per person, should they stay in work for two years. It is legalised theft and fraud on an industrial scale. Incidentally they have a similar scheme in Australia. However, providers claiming outcomes when clients have gone into work without provider help is illegal over there. It should be so here, although if it was the Work Programme would go bankrupt overnight.

    Molotov Cocktail

    October 18, 2015 at 10:15 am

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