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The Unemployed and the 35 Hours a Week Job Search.

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Boycott Workfare said in July,

The government appears to have abandoned their previous plans for compulsory 6 month workfare placements for everyone finishing the 2 years on the Work Programme. There was no mention of it when they announced their post-Work Programme plans yesterday, which is a victory for all anti-workfare campaigns. By us all putting pressure on workfare providers there are no longer enough companies and charities who are willing to be involved to make such a huge scheme possible.

This was the government’s plan.

Work Programme leavers targeted by specialist advisers as part of a tough approach to get them into a job.

Gov UK Press Release. 3rd June.

Work Programme leavers will be targeted by a hit squad of specialist advisers as part of a tough approach to get them into a job.

Up to 5 specialist advisers will be based in individual Jobcentres dedicated to working with people not in sustained work after 2 years on the Work Programme.

Claimants will be given an end-of-term report from their Work Programme provider assessing what progress they have made and their ongoing needs, to inform their new adviser before facing the toughest Jobcentre regime to help them find work. At their first appointment they will have to agree a binding back-to-work plan laying out what they are required to do.

Minister for Employment Mark Hoban said:

The Work Programme is getting some of the hardest to help claimants into work despite a tough economic climate.

We always knew that there would be some who would require further support after the Work Programme, which is why we’re introducing this intensive and uncompromising regime.

We’ll be stepping up the pressure on claimants, who will be expected to attend the Jobcentre more frequently, with rigorous monitoring to ensure they are doing everything they can to find work.

Claimants will be expected to be on a training scheme, Mandatory Work Activity placement or intensive work preparation within days of finishing on the Work Programme – losing their benefit if they fail to comply. An extra £30m will be available to pay for extra training and specialist help to prepare them for work, for instance counselling for people dependent on drug and alcohol.

Claimants will also have to attend the Jobcentre far more frequently than other jobseekers, with weekly signing on being routine and some people being required to meet their adviser every day.

Every Work Programme returner will also be required to register with Universal Jobmatch to aid work search and job matching. This will allow their adviser to check their work search activity online should the claimant give permission.

The tough sanctions regime will see anyone failing to comply with mandatory activity lose benefit for 4 weeks for a first failure, with penalties of up to 3 years for serial offenders.

The intensive support will last for 6 months, and will be used for all Jobseeker’s Allowance claimants returning from the Work Programme who need more intensive support.

What We are Concerned about.

Universal Credit will be based on four ‘work-related’ criteria for unemployed claimants.

What are the work-related requirements?

There are four work-related requirements (From Citizen’s Advice): 

  • the work-focused interview requirement
  • the work preparation requirement
  • the work search requirement
  • the work availability requirement.

Your claimant commitment may include one or more of these requirements, depending on your circumstances. You will be told at your interview which requirements you’ll be expected to meet.

If you have to meet the work search requirement, it means you have to take all reasonable steps to find paid work.

If you’re already working, it means you have to take all reasonable steps to find better paid work or work more hours.

You may have to do any of these things as part of your work search requirement:

  • spend a certain amount of time looking for work
  • apply for jobs
  • create and maintain an online profile. For example, you may have to put details of your skills, qualifications and experience on a website such as Universal Jobmatch
  • register with an employment agency
  • get references.

Jobcentre Plus can also tell you to take specific steps to help you find work or to help you find more or better paid work, such as applying for a specific job. They can decide how long you must spend taking these steps.

If you’re required to apply for a specific job, you get an interview but you fail to take part in it, you won’t meet your work search requirement.

How much time do you have to spend looking for work?

You normally have to spend 35 hours a week doing the things in your work search requirement. Some people with caring responsibilities or who have a physical or mental disability don’t have to spend as long as this.

You must usually spend 35 hours a week looking for work. This time is known as your expected number of hours. The time you spend only counts if it gives you the best chances of getting work. If you use it in a way that doesn’t give you the best chances of getting work, it won’t count towards your expected number of hours.

Your expected number of hours may be less than 35 hours a week if you’ve got caring responsibilities or a physical or mental disability.

In some circumstances, you may not have to spend as long as your expected number of hours a week looking for work. This may apply to you if:

  • you’ve got a physical or mental disability
  • you’ve spent time doing paid work as well as looking for work
  • you’ve spent time doing voluntary work as well as looking for work
  • you’ve spent time meeting the work preparation requirement or doing voluntary work preparation
  • a temporary change in your situation affects the time you can spend looking for work
  • Jobcentre Plus is satisfied you’ve taken all reasonable action to get work, even though you’ve spent less than your expected number of hours doing this.

35 Hours a week doing what exactly?

What kind of sick joke is that?

 

 

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  1. This is ridiculous. An end of term report? How about we give them an end of term report – F for FAIL!

    No doubt people will be told they didn’t apply themselves, or that they tried a little bit but not to the best of their abilties. The usual bullshit that will of course remove all responsibility from this wasteful scheme. If the ‘customer’ then complains or tries to argue how bullshit their report is they aren’t likely to be taken seriously of course, because that’s how the system works. It’s beyond ridiculous.

    ghost whistler

    August 24, 2013 at 10:43 am

    • No, surely F is the lowest grade mark achievable? Would have to be a ‘U’, they wouldn’t be able to reach the F threshold.

      Universal Jobmatch

      August 24, 2013 at 12:00 pm

      • The lowest grade is actually a G.

        Carl Lawrence

        August 24, 2013 at 4:08 pm

      • OK, I stand corrected, however, if you fail to reach the grade threshold, its still a ‘U’.

        Universal Jobmatch

        August 24, 2013 at 4:29 pm

      • LETS NOT ARGUE CHILDREN LETS MARK THE WP FU NO ARGUMENTS THEN

        WATCHMAN 50

        August 29, 2013 at 10:04 am

      • DO YOU KNOW THIS SITE IS FULL OF I KNOW ALL FUCK ALL AS WHEN YOU BEEN SANCTIONED AND YOU ASK FOR THE DECISION TO BE OVER TURNED THE DECISION MAKER ALL WAYS FINDS IN THERE FAVOUR HENCE ME NOW OFF FOR YEAR FOR REFUSING DWP ACCESS TO MY ACCOUNT NOT PROVIDING PROOF OFF UNIVERSAL JOB MATCH PRINTOUT WHAT I’VE BEEN DOING IT DOSE SAY IT’S UP TO CLAIMANT HOW THEY PROVIDE US EVIDENCE BUT DECISION MAKE SAYS IT FORMS PART OF A JOBSEEKERS CONDITION TO RECEIVE BENEFITS AND BEST ONE OF ALL IF AN ADVISOR DEEM IT WOULD HELP IN YOU GETTING IN TO WORK THEY DEEM THAT YOU NOT DOING ALL YOU CAN TO SEEK WORK SO WHAT EVER PEOPLE TELL YOU THEY HAVE AN ANSWER TAKE NOTE PEOPLE LISTEN TO PEOPLES CRAP ON HERE GET YOU NO DOLE AND IN MY CASE NOW FOR A YEAR TAKE NOTE TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO / NOT WHAT PEOPLE HERE ADVICE YOU THEY ALL SO CLEVER ON LAW WHY THEY UNEMPLOYED THEY SHOULD ALL BE EMPLOYED AS LAWYERS GET MY DRIFT PEOPLE OWN ADVICE ALL WAYS

        wayne

        August 29, 2013 at 10:40 am

  2. Also how are we suppose to do 35 hours of jobsearch etc, if there are not enough jobs out to apply for? I do not see how this is going to help us.

    Carl Lawrence

    August 24, 2013 at 10:49 am

    • It seems to me, the DWP really do know 35 hours per week is impossible to achieve, and they have deliberately set the bar as high as possible to ensure no-one who claims UC will be able to avoid sanction. And then when nearly everyone has been sanctioned, as if by magic the claimant count drops to almost zero. Job done for the DWP…

      Samwise Gamgee

      August 24, 2013 at 1:35 pm

      • That will send me to the police!

        Carl Lawrence

        August 24, 2013 at 4:05 pm

      • I have a genetic disorder [neurofibromatosis]. It has too be declared when applying for work. Google it and you will see why. That does not stop Atos WPP Jcp saying I am fit. Who’ll employ me for 3.5 hours let alone 35

        philip

        October 5, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    • I got a sanction over turned for the “offence” of not applying for enough jobs. so overturning a sanction can be done.

      Mark Jones

      June 3, 2015 at 4:35 pm

  3. The choice of words is interesting. We have Hoban deliberately using the term “Hit Squad”, a phrase with clear confrontational, and even violent, overtones. I realise this was designed for public consumption (i.e. the readership of the Daily Fail) and intended to demonstrate how hard the feckless unemployed are being cracked down upon, but I cannot imagine that the FLAs recruited to the Hit Squad will thank Hoban for the soubriquet. We also have “Front Line Advisers” a term redolent with belligerent and confrontational overtones. And why have “Jobseekers” (as in JSAgs) suddenly become “claimants” as in “Claimant’s commitment”?
    The truth is that none of this is actually about finding (proper) work for people. It’s all about punishing the unemployed and blaming them for their own plight. It’s about the propaganda of “strivers and shirkers” . It’s about reducing job security and employment rights. It’s about massaging the unemployment statistics. And, above all else, it’s about the Tories trying to secure votes at next election.

    Gissajob

    August 24, 2013 at 11:46 am

    • “An extra £30m will be available to pay for extra training and specialist help to prepare them for work”

      If he thinks the JCP can do all that with just £30m (about 20 quid each person) then why is he wasting £5b on the failed WP. Another question for the PAC maybe.

      Another Fine Mess

      August 24, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    • i think ‘Hit Squad’ is a typo, it’s supposed to say ‘Shit Squad’

      TedWest

      May 6, 2014 at 9:11 pm

  4. well I look for work and do voluntary work, i usually apply for 3 jobs a day (20 a week) realistic ones, of course if i could drive a lot more, I have had sanction threats for applying for unsuitable jobs, or jobs with transport needed

    marky

    August 24, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    • Yet the amazing thing is people have been sanctioned for refusing to apply for jobs they have no chance of getting, such as people without a driving license refusing to apply for jobs as a delivery driver, or people without an FLT licence refusing to apply for forklift driving jobs.

      Any way they can get you, they will. It’s all about getting the claimant count down, by any means they see fit.

      Samwise Gamgee

      August 24, 2013 at 1:31 pm

      • Marky that’s weird – because I get ORDERED to apply for these jobs under threat of sanction if I don’t. my seizures mean I’ve never been allowed to drive so was automatically barred before the age of 16 from applying for a provisional licence. DWP now say the fact I a) have a driving licence (answer: I don’t. A number of years ago I found out somebody stole my identity and got an illegal driving licence and other things in my name. They changed my year and date of birth to somebody older by several years. I tried chasing it up via all the proper channels but it never came to anything) b) I applied once in my life for a driving licence; was proof I either applied fraudulently for a licence or proof I could/could once drive. Actually that is wrong. In order to get my disability bus pass I was forced to apply for and pay for a driving licence, so that the DVLA could immediately refuse it and refund me, as proof they banned me so I could get the card (I had medical evidence from a doctor too). I asked the DVLA why, it is a stupid system. Because the form says you can drive and it’s knowingly making a false declaration, I pointed out I was being forced to apply.

        The driving jobs include HGV driving the other side of the UK/Europe. Duhhhh!!!!!

        something survived...

        August 25, 2013 at 4:52 am

      • So you JC know you have a driving licence even though you might tell them you don’t? I believe that the fraud squad can find out, but the desk jockeys?

        HGV

        May 7, 2014 at 8:53 am

  5. Most Charity Shops in the area will no longer accept Work Programme compulsory 4 week placements, due to enforced sanctions!

    S Marquess

    August 24, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    • S Marquess :
      Most Charity Shops in the area will no longer accept Work Programme compulsory 4 week placements, due to enforced sanctions!

      And enforced boycotting.:)

      Another Fine Mess

      August 24, 2013 at 9:50 pm

  6. sorry just been on the http://unemploymentmovement.com/index.php and need some info. i am looking to find the letter sent to JCP about recording interviews? Can anyone point me to the right post???

    oneman

    August 24, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    • ****RECORD ALL YOUR SIGNINGS AND INTERVIEWS!****

      1. To protect myself from sanction-happy JCP advisers, I now record all my signings/interviews. I have found through bitter experience that if you are sanctioned or a sanction doubt is raised against you, the decision maker believes the Jobcentre by default.

      This is the FOI link for Recording by claimants during interviews, telephone calls etc.

      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/167004/response/405790/attach/html/3/Recordings%20by%20claimants1.pdf.html

      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/169605/response/416543/attach/html/3/FOI%20Response%203403.pdf.html

      2. This is the letter I sent. You may want to add your own reasons for recording your signings. For example: advisor bullying you to sign up to UJM or pestering you for access to your UJM account. And so on.

      Dear ******

      I am writing to advise you that as of the ******, which is my next signing day, I intend to record all my signings/interviews/telephone conversations with the DWP Jobcentre Plus. This will be done via a digital recording device. The recording device will not be visible to the adviser.

      My reason/s for doing this are as follows.

      Recent reports in the media seem to suggest that Jobcentres have been setting targets and league tables to sanction benefit claimants. And that staff are being warned by managers that they will be disciplined unless they increase the number of claimants referred to a tougher benefit regime.

      Furthermore, reading comments made by claimants on various Internet forums, it would appear that some JCP advisers do not know exactly what they are allowed/not allowed to say to claimants, particularly regarding Universal Jobmatch. Some even appear to be making it up as they go along, either through ignorance or just sheer frustration.

      When a claimant is sanctioned or a sanction doubt is raised against them, decision makers tend to believe the DWP by default. Being sanctioned or having a sanction doubt raised against me will cause me considerable financial hardship. Consequently, recording my signings/interviews will ensure that there will be no misunderstanding as to what or wasn’t said between myself and an adviser .

      If my signing/interview takes place in an open plan area, I may accidentally record other claimants’ personal information. To ensure this does not happen you may want to use a private interview room.

      I must stress that these recordings are for my personal use only and will not be published on the Internet. They will only ever be heard by a third party if used as evidence in an appeal should I ever be sanctioned or if a sanction doubt is raised against me.

      I would be grateful if you would write to me confirm receipt of this letter.

      Yours sincerely

      **********

      3. Insist they write back to you. The following link may be of some help. It is for a Jobcentre publication called “About Jobcentre Plus (Our Service Standards)”. You can also get a copy from your local Jobcentre as well. In the back is a feedback form with tick boxes where you can state the nature of your feedback, i.e. a complaint, and how you want them to reply to you, i.e. by letter. Staple this form to your letter. Address the letter to the office manager. Ask for their name at the reception; they are obliged to tell you who it is.

      http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@benefits/documents/digitalasset/dg_202270.pdf

      4. For whatever reason, some Jobcentre managers may decide not to inform their staff that they are being recorded. To ensure that your adviser is on-message when you sign, advise them that the signing/interview is being recorded and give them a copy of the following letter. When I showed it to the adviser at my last signing, she freaked. She couldn’t wait to get rid of me. She asked me if I’d done any work in the last two weeks and if my circumstances have changed at all, and then it was a case of: OK mate, off you fuck!

      Dear JCP Adviser,

      I wrote to your manager on the ****** to advise them that I intended to record all my signings and interviews with the DWP, and I explained why. This will be done via a digital recording device. The recording device will not be visible to you.

      If my signing/interview takes place in an open plan area, I may accidentally record other claimants’ personal information. To ensure this does not happen you may want to use a private interview room.

      I must stress that these recordings are for my personal use only and will not be published on the Internet. They will only ever be heard by a third party if used as evidence in an appeal should I ever be sanctioned or if a sanction doubt is raised against me.

      Yours sincerely,

      **********

      5. To reinforce your message, email it to your Jobcentre as well. You may also want to send a copy to the JCP district manager.

      http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/managers-by-region.pdf

      The Helping Hand

      August 24, 2013 at 3:03 pm

      • That is wonderful thanks

        Kind regards

        Oneman

        oneman

        August 24, 2013 at 3:56 pm

  7. This is a load of condescending, Orwellian bullshit! What the hell is a “work preparation requirement”? A two week training course in how to set your alarm early? Who comes up with this nonsense?

    This government is telling us how we spend our days, what we should be doing, and how we should be doing it. How do they plan to enforce this? Electronic tagging? One can imagine the conversation in a jobcentre in a few years’ time – “Oh look, it’s 8:30 in the morning and Dave isn’t out of the house yet. SANCTION!” Is that what we can look forward to, since that is the logical conclusion of all this, isn’t it.

    Where is this going, and how far will it go before people start fighting back?

    Samwise Gamgee

    August 24, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    • It is going on now. wake up! sheeple

      oneman

      August 24, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    • It’s ‘one size fits all’ bollox; my alarm doesn’t wake me, especially after a major seizure. Plus 20 of us queueing for the one bog means I never know when I’ll get out of the house.

      something survived...

      August 25, 2013 at 4:55 am

  8. “Work Programme leavers will be targeted by a hit squad…”

    Interesting how the natural language of authority is the language of violence.

    They are trying to reduce the long term unemployed and doing it the only way they know – through sanctions.

    Anton

    August 24, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    • JCP ( job centre plus hate each other) JCP will be sanctioning their work mates when UJ (universal credit catches us all up)

      oneman

      August 24, 2013 at 2:08 pm

      • No they wont, Their union has already stated it wont support that.

        Quislings

        growls

        September 8, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    • Where are the sanction targets that labour promised when they sat on their hands with the welfare reform bill??? IDS changed the law RETRO!!!! and fails to go to court! how long will this take before the sheeple wake up. We are all waiting for the result. It said in the autumn and date anyone??????????

      oneman

      August 24, 2013 at 2:15 pm

  9. It looks to me like they are setting impossible and morally wrong targets simply as a means of stopping even more benefit payments. Because these targets cannot be met or sustained (As they know full well) they then have an excuse to stop peoples money therefore saving themselves money. That is what this is all about, demonizing the poor and unemployed so that they can take money off these soft targets without those better off having any objections. 35 hours looking for work?? If you pester an employer every week for a job they will blacklist you so if you spend 35 hours pestering every employer you can what on earth do they think you will achieve? What If employers tell you not to apply any more/blacklist you? Remember (as stated earlier) if you spend any of this time non productively (Negative affect on your job search) you will again be stopped money!! What can you do for 35 hours that is productive every single week? Who will pay the cost of 35 hours of electricity, stationary ETC?

    Philip Warrillow

    August 24, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    • I feel your anger and hate and understand.

      If the job is unstable for you, stick the JCP/WORK PROGRAMME phone number down. Not that the failed (again)WP deserve any out come payments. but they could do with the work.( hassle)

      oneman

      August 24, 2013 at 2:25 pm

      • Spend ten minutes looking through universal jobmatch. Then the other 6 hours 50 minutes playing Call Of Duty while imagining all the enemy as IDS n pals. 😛

        sp4mf15h

        August 24, 2013 at 6:58 pm

      • sound very reasonable spamfish.

        Universal Jobmatch

        August 25, 2013 at 10:27 am

    • If you applied for travel and accommodation costs, could you spend a profitable 35-hour week going round the country blowing up jobcentres and Atos centres?

      something survived...

      August 25, 2013 at 4:57 am

  10. Job search should be no more than 3 hours per week on average.

    Nationally, Universal Jobmatch is spewing up duplicate posts (before you just say you had more positions for that specific one job advert but now is to inflate statistics) and they are even posting jobs from the US!!!

    Universal Jobmatch

    August 24, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    • Get real!

      searching for a job is a 35 hour contract now ( ask IDS after his failed WP and hit squads after at the JCP. Its a job in its own). JCP do not want to find (you a non existent job) they now have targets to get you off your entitled benefit. That is it. cAN YOU REMEMBER WHEN THE LAST TIME YOUR jcp OFFERED YOU A JOB!!!!!!! ( SORRY FOR THE CAP LOCK. ITS STUCK NOW)

      oneman

      August 24, 2013 at 3:11 pm

      • Yes it was at the JCP working at their callcentre, to kick ppl off benefits. With reservations I applied but only under duress. Got thru selection events and to interview but they said I wasn’t suitable. Result: double sanction, sanction for not getting it and simultaneous sanction (the main one) for ‘not applying’ and for ‘refusing’. it was at their own callcentre a few miles away ffs! they said I didn’t apply or go though I’d plenty of proof plus they could easily check. Dole stopped for ages for that one.

        something survived...

        August 25, 2013 at 5:02 am

    • Exactly, if they seriously wanted more they’d have to employ an army of overseers, spies and informers to watch what we do.

      But I suspect the intention is:

      1) To make a tough rule to be popular with the Mail, Express, etc.

      2) To create an official system of bullying everybody who signs on.

      3) To create a quasi-legal system with no proper regulation that enables them to ‘sanction’ the maximum number of people.

      4) To wreak havoc in the DWP as a way of preparing the way of privatising as much of the department as possible.

      5) To compensate for their failure to bring in Workfare on a mass scale.

      In fact this plan is an admission of a wider failure: to get the unemployed into work.

      Andrew Coates

      August 24, 2013 at 3:32 pm

  11. I have just finished one of their courses
    I have also been upholiding my jobsearch obligations
    Attending regular advisor + signing appointments
    Taking tasks home with me, from both the JSA advisor and research based tasks from the course itself

    I live outside of town so thats not factoring in my travel time
    The main library is shut for 8 weeks, the alternatives are small “community” libraries which are small single floors with lackluster jobseeker resources

    Should I decide to volunteer they are still expecting me to be doing all the above

    Theres a big bloody gap between getting into a working routine and what they are asking, I’ve worked before… as things stand I have absolutely no time to myself and having finished their shitty course am burnt out

    random bloke

    August 24, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    • Yes do. If you do volunteer work, they can’t force you to do MWA. (MANDARORY WORK ACTIVITY) I am new to this but i know there is FOI requests and its just in there tool book and DWP regulations.

      You need to read and get clued up. Once again do not let your self become a sheeple.

      oneman

      August 24, 2013 at 3:18 pm

      • Didn’t mean in the context of a question mate was in the sense that if I go ahead and volunteer the advisors indicated I will still be accountable for 35 hours JS p/w ontop of whatever courses they chuck me onto

        They are clearly ignoring guidelines here because as you can imagine doing all that stuff together blows fulltime hours out of the water

        random bloke

        August 25, 2013 at 8:13 pm

  12. By taking tasks home I mean stuff like writing out presentations / covering letters out on paper (the course dont provide computer access) and by advisor tasks I mean the various junk they want filled in under threat of sanction

    I am going above and beyond the so called 35 hour jobsearch if you throw in the course + appointments and travel I’m probably more closer to double that figure but as far as the DWP go I am sitting on my arse all day doing nowt!!!

    random bloke

    August 24, 2013 at 2:40 pm

  13. Out of interest as an unemployed person does appearing on the “Jeremy Kyle Show” count towards the 35 hours? ‘Cos we are all like that according to the powers that be.

    Windmill1

    August 24, 2013 at 3:41 pm

  14. Plans for sleepy protest against bedroom tax Today 14:54 #21535
    I am thinking about some signs to go down there with tonight.

    I know it is a bedroom tax protest, but it is a labour area and i would love to do some work programme placards and sanction figures cards. any good slogans please.http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/local/darlington/10619840.Plans_for_sleepy_protest_against_bedroom_tax/

    Kind regards

    Oneman

    oneman

    August 24, 2013 at 3:46 pm

  15. The family with the greatest sense of entitlement and supported by taxpayers is the Royal one. Their accounts are total a work of fiction (so many tax exemptions). Plenty of spare bedrooms there. Probably not a good route to follow for a strapline.
    The poor are a soft target and the few massive exceptions, immigrants living in central London with lots of kids, sell newspapers for the Daily Mail. The person who owns this paper is a “non dom” and pays no UK tax. They normally get knighthoods or higher for tax avoidance, eg, Branson, Green, Sugar and the largest donor to the Tory party.

    This is not a “class war”, don’t fall into that trap, but like the old song goes, “it’s the rich what gets the gravy, and the poor what gets the blame..bloomin’ shame”. Nothing changes.

    Windmill1

    August 24, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    • inbred animal-wasting rednecks, illegal squatters, protection racket, intimidation factor (pics of them on money etc). multiple underoccupied properties. drain on taxpayer.

      god shave the queen!

      something survived...

      August 25, 2013 at 5:06 am

      • yeah she is getting a little hairy these days, a right hitler one would say

        Universal Jobmatch

        August 25, 2013 at 10:29 am

      • I agree with UJ. Without legislation or redirection just apply for everything to bring the system down. We want jobs but…

        Windmill1

        August 25, 2013 at 2:46 pm

  16. Forget the crap! how many spare bedrooms do you pay for, WITH THEM

    oneman

    August 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm

  17. I think that they still cannot prove that you have done the 35 hour job-search unless they start to monitor us somehow. Remember the government is only talking about this at the moment and it will take time to go ahead and it is not in the news yet.

    Carl Lawrence

    August 24, 2013 at 8:30 pm

  18. Philip Warrillow :
    hours pestering every employer you can what on earth do they think you will achieve? What If employers tell you not to apply any more/blacklist you?

    Play them at their own game.
    Always say “such&such jobcenter or even advisor sent me.” or “such&such jobcenter asked me to ring”.

    Another Fine Mess

    August 24, 2013 at 9:43 pm

  19. Carl Lawrence :
    Remember the government is only talking about this at the moment and it will take time to go ahead and it is not in the news yet.

    No, the claimant commitment is already in use in some areas even before UC.

    Another Fine Mess

    August 24, 2013 at 9:46 pm

  20. I know is late to reply. I know we all have genuine concerns and I am not making light of this. But they don’t have the facilities using their computer suite, as they laughingly call it, Play the game and apply for everything and anything. What they know about jobs is absolutely minimal. Have they got expertise and more importantly contacts? If not the latter bearing in mind the low level of intelligence of most “professional” job agencies they don’t even get to first base. It is all bxllocks, We know it and so do they.

    Windmill1

    August 25, 2013 at 12:12 am

  21. References: IN the real world, existing references vanish! People die, retire, move away, go out of business, change job and become untraceable.
    Disability: This is THEIR definition of who is disabled, so will only be about 1% of disabled people on the benefit. Though disability annoyingly is still there and doesn’t go away because some worm-munching zombie at DWP declares you falsely to be ablebodied.
    Voluntary work: you are damned if you do or don’t: doing any can get you sanctioned, it isn’t recognised, they say you are making yourself unavailable for (nonexistent/unrealistic) work. They ignore the fact you do it and say you must do 35 hours separate jobsearch.
    Availability/ability to work: If kicked off DLA/ESA etc or refused those, you are still disabled and probably not able to work and/or are unlikely to be offered a job (or able to hold one down). This requirement is crap, as you know you can’t; but they say you can, and make you sign on to say you can.
    Agencies: These close down a lot of times, so it wipes everyone’s records when one goes bust. Some agencies are dodgy or even illegal. Real agencies: most are very hard to get into and can kick you off their books for no reason if allowed in, reasons I was given also included ‘you are disabled’ and ‘we didn’t find you any jobs so we are kicking you off our list’. Or ‘we changed our requirements’. There are under half a dozen proper agencies in my whole region, covering up to 3 hours travel away. Most of these don’t let me register. I’m with ONE and they only ever found me one job. The first day I turned up for the job I was sacked on the spot before it started, because the agency lied to them I was tall and ablebodied. I’m tiny and disabled or as they so charmingly put it, ‘a midget crip’. The agency then got angry at ME because they had lied and for not getting the job, and threatened to take me off their books. I said don’t, you are the only agency I’m still with, if you take me off, the Working Links (my 4th or 5th cycle there) will stop my benefits for not being with an agency. All remaining agencies (excluding ones I was with that shut down or relocated or went bust, or took me off their books) would not let me in. Still don’t. In fact there are some new agencies but they are: a) for old workers only so I’m too young b) for young workers only so I’m too old c) for people with learning disabilities only d) for disabled people but they say none of my disabilities are on their very short list (like cerebral palsy or MS for example)
    e) for single parents only f) for ex-prisoners/offenders g) for people who abuse drugs and alcohol h) for people with mental health problems.. I fit none of the above so don’t qualify for any. Plus another is for builders only. When I told the jokecentre their response was to refer me to a local careers centre/scheme, who threw me straight out the door as their main requirement is you can only be 18 max, or 19 if you are in the category of single parent or learning disability. Then got a sanction doubt for being thrown out for being too old! It’s under a mile away, and they are referring loads of people, so they must know it has an age limit. If you walk in they look at you like you’re a paedo for being in the wrong place and too old. Other places asked what school I go to, and I said that was like 25 years ago! Most ‘help’ on offer seems to be in reading and writing. I was with more agencies/projects but all closed down, moved on, or had a time limit I’d reached the end of. Some tried to tell me stupid things like: We cannot accept you unless you have a certain number of A-stars. I said that at the time I did exams, getting top marks in almost everything, A-stars were not invented yet. Then I get told to go back and repeat them at a school (!!!!) or am banned/thrown out for ‘being too old’. 10-20 years ago I looked into the prices of repeating A-levels and GCSEs. Each subject, excluding exam fees, was £800 (at the prices THEN) excluding exam fees, college fees, and materials costs. And DWP didn’t want to let me have any time for college or study/homework. To repeat everything (A-level and GCSE) I’d have to do like 30 times £1000 (as it costs now-ish), and they (if you are an adult) only let you do about 3 per year at a time together, studying fulltime. Courses are 2 years so to do 30 (if money and permission were there), at 3 per year, would take: 20 years! Not to mention some courses no longer exist.
    Employability: Increase your employability. Already thousands of disabled people are busy praying away their disabilities and curing themselves so they are able to work, or more employable or more able to look for work. Oh look, a flying pig.

    something survived...

    August 25, 2013 at 5:49 am

  22. Look on the brightside… you could always phone up employers and do your utmost to stay on the phone for the longest time… perhaps have a leaderboard. Pretty much confirm, discuss and develop the job description and person specification… if you don’t get the job then you have this huge phone bill coming your way…

    On a more serious note however, the days when the job paper is dead… even if you did call every company in it once a week when the supplement comes out… you would only use a maximum of 3 hours!!!

    The advantage online is information is easier to sort through (computer databases etc.) and even using 5 websites to look for work, its barely going to take longer than 20-30 minutes per site (obviously presuming there were suitable work on there).

    This isn’t even the major part… there is less phone and visit employer jobs out there… its apply with an emailed CV… which doesn’t even take 5 minutes with a 56k dial up modem and someone having to translate from their own language to english for the covering letter.

    But it gets worse, the narrow-minded government decided to develop a bolt-on CV module for the directgov job website (whilst making it much worse somehow!) allowing jobseekers to easily apply for jobs in minutes. The even worse thing happens to be less employers bothering with universal jobmatch as the same person is applying for mechanic (in the garage), administrator (at HQ), bar tender (at social club on site) and area director (responsible for multiple garages in the area) – all of the same company – all roles so diverse that its obvious people are applying for everything without even reading the job description. Due to this, employers are hitting delete without reading ANY CV.

    Far from a level playing ground. The apply for anything attitude is screwing everyone over – no employer is looking through a thousand CVs per week. Universal Jobmatch isn’t powerful enough to help the employer filter talent from the jobseekers applying for everything to keep their benefit.

    Universal Jobmatch

    August 25, 2013 at 10:44 am

  23. UJ. I think we are going to fall out. That is not an issue. We are on the same side I hope. To restate the blindingly obvious apart from judicial review, just flood the market with your worst CV if u don’t want it. My point is that they will require you to respond to anything and everything otherwise you will lose benefit. Capiche?

    Windmill1

    August 25, 2013 at 11:43 pm

  24. i have only just received my after work programme appointment at the job centre in just days after two months had past.the usual threats of sanctions. not unsurprisingly rising stress levels in those who are already under a huge amount of stress.

    as for the end of work programme report i didn’t see one.the best thing to do is play it by ear when you get down there.

    rather surprisingly the “questionnaire” asks when i last worked.the person signing had to tell me what they already knew and wanted.it goes on to poke a nose into ujm id’s and email addresses and the reasons why i think i am still unemployed and stating the obvious reasons why many are.

    its no doubt the run around,phising for sanction opportunities,unrealistic expectations of the job centre own world,nothing about the failures of a4e to deliver or the buffoon hoban.

    ken

    August 26, 2013 at 12:16 am

    • I haven’t seen my report either.

      Andrew Coates

      August 27, 2013 at 10:56 am

  25. So I see everyones looking at UC at last.

    35 hours or 5, it makes no difference as without a time profile, HOW DO THEY PROVE YOU HAVENT BEEN LOOKING FOR THAT ALLOTED TIME ?

    The thing to remember is that claimants agreed to look for gainful employment and only when found apply for said gainful employment so in theory you could spend all week looking at jobs yet apply for none. Also when looking at jobs you have to research the area the jobs in, the travel involved aswell as cost and so on and so on. Also as theirs no such thing as a CV that fits all so you could make a new CV for every single job you go for.

    If your given a job like the post regarding a driving job yet no licence then apply as its not like your going to get the job now is it. Its the same if its one that requires a qualification.

    While on the subject of applications, CVs and stuff I hope everyones aware that you can put anything you like on your cover letter or CV providing its true and yes you CANT BE PUNISHED FOR IT.

    So if you want to put stuff like, “out of work for 2 years now” or “im a lazy character void of thought” YOU CAN.
    You see your profile is about you, who and what you are as a person so in a way your current profile is only half right in that it lacks the full truth, the bad aswell as the good in us all.

    gaia

    August 27, 2013 at 9:37 am

  26. I finished the Work Programme about 3 weeks back, and my interview at the Jobcentre is on 5th Sep. On my exit report my Work Coach recommended that I do voluntary work, so I am expecting the Jobcentre to raise that at the interview. I will tell them that I cannot afford to work for no wage because my benefits have effectively been cut by 25% due to Council Tax and Bedroom Tax. If they think I’m working for nowt they can think again! I will also take along a dictionary and show them the definition of the word ‘voluntary’. As for Universal Jobmatch, I have not and shall not give permission for them to monitor it.

    Landless Peasant

    August 27, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    • I think we all know your going to have to bring more to the table than that landless peasant.

      The last I checked “im sorry I cant do work on account of im out of work so cant afford to” wont fly AND while shooting down myth I and others already exposed that JCP DONT NEED YOUR PERMISSION as their the websites DATA CONTROLLERS so even though your advisor cant, JCP CAN if you catch my drift and LEGALLY to.

      Its not enough to NOT let them have access, you have to stop applying through the site and before you say sanction its in the universal jobmatch toolkit that a claimant cannot be mandated, threatened with sanction or anything TO APPLY FOR JOBS THROUGH THE ACTUAL SITE (ie your gateway account). This means you could instead pick up the phone for details (to keep your privacy ask a working friend to let you use their NR and name for the details) or on more than a few theirs already the employers or agencies email, phone number, etc so you could write or email without going through the UJ jobsite.

      Now to add salt to these already tender wounds I would imagine that JCP asked for evidence that you did. Its here they look to make a mental note of your account name or any electronic stamps on the top and or bottom of a printout that will identify the account with you. Another trick is that most people use the same single email account so theirs a very high probability that a claimant has or will use this said email address to open the gateway account to, this is why their constantly asking for CVs and EMAIL ADDRESSES LATELY. They cannot sanction you if you don’t allow them your email address or CV but in the case of CVs will use another trick to sanction you or mandate you into something so cover up your name, address, phone number and email address first and ONLY let them look at it, don’t allow them to copy it at all.

      Once they tie you to an account they can then record ALL the IP addresses that enter that account, look at where you surfed previously aswell as their after. They can tell you what website, how long you were their, they can even tell you the time that elapsed between every key depress you made or will make.

      Im apart from an engineer, a nerd, so I can tell you this with certain that tthey could then take your IP address in realtime or later, put it through a bit of software they (if they use it or want to) have and I kid you not,they can tell you within 6 foot where you are or were standing when entering the gateway site and it makes no difference if the IP is dynamic (JUST INVOLVES A BIT MORE WORK). Just imagine if your a person that uses your smart phone, I could trace you all day every day and yes even if you switch your phone off (the only way not to be tracked is allways remove battery and sim).

      TRUST ME when I say you and every single claimant wants nothing to do with UJ, your making yourselves lambs to the slaughter but not all is lost.

      If you have been mandated to set up a UJ account and post a CV, you full fill that requirement the moment you present proof and your advisor is satisfied (do check exactly what you agreed to first as agreements differ.

      YOU CANNOT, I REPEAT CANNOT BE MANDATED OR THREATENED WITH SANCTION TO APPLY FOR JOBS THROUGH YOUR UJ ACCOUNT.

      Now moving back slightly lets cover the subject of PERSONAL AND SENSITIVE DATA UNDER LAW. You under the DPA have the right to control the flow of your personal and sensitive data in respect to third parties which in this case is anyone who enters the site, who you apply to through the site or works for the site but isn’t the nominated data controller or agent of.

      Personal data is such when two pieces can be used to identify you like

      name
      address
      phone number
      email address
      Nr number
      tax code
      company addresses (places you worked at)

      The list is endless so as im sure you can imagine their wouldn’t be left much of your CV would their (food for thought). Also theirs your profile if you put your personal details into it which people shouldn’t have as again

      YOU CANNOT BE MANDATED OR SANCTIONED FOR HAVING AN ONLINE SECRET IDENTITY (ie, like mine, gaia or yours)

      YOU CANNOT BE MANDATED OR SANCTIONED TO PART WITH YOUR PERSONAL AND SENSITIVE DATA.

      I use PDF REDIRECT PLUS which apart from being PDF format (one of the allowed uploadable CV formats also encrypts and copyright protects my CV. Sadly it wont upload to UJ so its not like I don’t want to, its just it wont let me on account of it cant spy on it or copy it or anything (food for thought). Before anyone says it.

      YOU CANNOT BE SANCTIONED OR MANDATED TO UPLOAD A CV WITHOUT LEGAL CONTROLS AND OR USE THE CV PROCESSOR THATS ONLINE.

      As for the voluntary thing look on this very site as somewhere your find a government released document stating you cant go on more than one employment scheme a year or something like that. Either way its got to be a better defence and at worse a backup aid.

      gaia

      August 28, 2013 at 3:07 pm

      • gaia,

        You stated the following:

        “You cannot, I repeat cannot be mandated or threatened with sanctions to apply for jobs through your UJ account.”

        Can you direct me to a FOI request letter please, so I can stick it under the nose of my JCP adviser. I’ll be coming off the WP soon and some people I know have already been threatened with sanctions if they don’t use UJ for applications.

        Thanks.

        The Helping Hand

        August 28, 2013 at 5:54 pm

  27. Would just like to add Mr Jamie Oliver in good housekeeping magazine has quoted all teenagers are wet behind the ears and don’t like to work he quoted in saying if it was not for immigrants his business would close he tweeted that he has had 23 year olds mums phoneing up saying there child can’t come in they knackerd . Excuse me we fought long and hard in this country to get a working week and to stop employers taking piss out employees Jamie Oliver wants to think before he engages his gob as it those wet behind the ears parents who put food in his kids bellys it ain’t the immigrants and its nice to know Jamie Oliver is helping to prop up foreign economy as immigrants take there money out community it ain’t spent here nice to know he is helping to ruin our community let’s hope all wet behind the ears patents boycott his businesses and he remember to engage his brain next time and not his gob

    wayne green

    August 28, 2013 at 10:49 am

  28. people that were born in this country have less rights than people that come in from other countries and the government and the job centers are racist to there own

    scott

    August 28, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    • YOU GOT THAT RIGHT AND WHEN YOU GOT EMPLOYERS LIKE JAMIE OLIVER NOW COMING OUT AND SAYING HE PREFERS TO EMPLOY IMMIGRANTS OVER ENGLISH WE HAVE LOST OUT ALL ROUND

      wayne green

      August 28, 2013 at 11:45 pm

      • Racist rants don’t help our cause as jobseekers, particularly not when delivered IN BLOCK CAPITALS AT MAXIMUM VELOCITY AND WITH POOR SPELLING AND GRAMMAR. It just makes us seem like uneducated idiots and allows the likes of Jamie Oliver to label us all as workshy chavs. When tempted to do the above, imagine instead someone coming up to you and yelling incoherently in your face instead of attempting to communicate, and imagine what sort of reaction they would get.

        jruti

        September 8, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    • What Jamie Oliver thinks about anything or thinks at all , who cares….or is it because he is rich and a celeb his opinion matters? Don’t think so. On another matter the proposed, ill thought out workfare won’t work not due to pressure, but because they could not, as the cliché goes organise a piss up etc. U know the rest. As the cliché also goes, they take on huge departments of state but do not have the experience of running even the smallest of “whelk stalls” to complete the cliché. And the Civil Servants know this and care even less. They will be moved on in 3 years and when things go inevitably wrong it is never anyone’s personal fault “just” the system..
      But I think sites like this help so we get the info and can perhaps help each other.

      Windmill1

      August 29, 2013 at 1:58 am

  29. The Helping Hand :
    gaia,
    You stated the following:
    “You cannot, I repeat cannot be mandated or threatened with sanctions to apply for jobs through your UJ account.”
    Can you direct me to a FOI request letter please, so I can stick it under the nose of my JCP adviser. I’ll be coming off the WP soon and some people I know have already been threatened with sanctions if they don’t use UJ for applications.
    Thanks.

    ANSWER

    You don’t realise it but you have just answered your own question.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/165890/response/408735/attach/html/4/UJ%20Toolkit%20Chp%203%20v37.0%2011.07.13.pdf.html

    Where in the rules does it state YOU MUST APPLY FOR JOBS THROUGH YOUR UJ ACCOUNT.(cut and paste from above link).

    Issuing a Jobseeker’s Direction to mandate JSA claimants to
    create a profile and public CV in Universal Jobmatch

    51. Where you have explained the benefits to claimants of creating a profile
    and public CV in Universal Jobmatch and they will not do so willingly, they
    can be mandated to create a profile and public CV.

    AND

    Agreeing how often the claimant will check their Universal Jobmatch
    account for jobs on the Jobseeker’s Agreement

    78. When the claimant has created a profile and public CV, you must also
    agree with them and record within the What I will do to identify and apply
    for jobs part of the Jobseeker’s Agreement how often the claimant will
    check their UJ account for jobs

    As you will see clearly you can ONLY be MANDATED to create a UJ account, profile and CV. Also clarified is and not by way of mandate but jobseeker agreement only, you have to check your account for suggested jobs. These suggested jobs use aggregated data from your CV, jobsearch and profile so without applying through the UJ account the system will still generate a list of suggest vacancies hence the use must check part but be perfectly clear on point 78, you CANNOT BE MANDATED but you DO commit a SANCTIONABLE offence if you agreed to it in your jobseekers agreement and don’t do so without good cause.

    SO AGAIN YOU CANNOT BE MADE TO APPLY THROUGH YOUR UJ ACCOUNT.

    You can if the contact details are withheld on these suggested vacancies ring up UJ for them which you will be asked to give your NR number which will act as proof you checked the account or open another account but don’t tell them (masking your evidence and giving it in written form). Many of the jobs freely give contact details so you could use your own email account.

    If you want suggestion vacancies to stop then you must change the aggregated data I mentioned earlier and heres how.

    1: During the registration and profile creation pay attention to any questions related to area and jobs. Basically like here use an alias, make it all up but use non job related search terms like spaceman for instance. Open a new email account that isn’t used for emailing jobs BEFORE registering and profile building and use that for the site (the new email account wont ever be used).

    2: DONT build your CV online through their site. Whether building on line or uploaded use colour font to turn your text to white text then place random letters now white at the front, back and in between of each word their by making the CV ONE BIG SINGLE WORD YET INVISIBLY SO. An alternative is to use software that encrypts and copyright protects your CV like PDF DIRECT PLUS but currently it wont upload but that’s their problem as im full within my rights to secure my PERSONAL AND SENSITIVE INFORMATION under UK law.

    DOES THIS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ?

    gaia

    August 29, 2013 at 9:15 am

    • What a pile crap when you mandated to open universal job match account and public cv EACH AND EVERY TIME YOU SIGN THE DOLE WILL WANT TO SEE PRINT OUTS OF WHAT YOU APPLIED FOR USING THAT ACCOUNT AND WHEN YOU REFUSE LIKE I DID YOU GET SANCTIONED FIRST WAS FOUR WEEKS NOW IS FIFTY TWO WEEKS DON’T LISTEN TO ADVICE ON HERE PEOPLE IT GETS YOU IN TROUBLE I TOOK ADVICE HERE AND AM NOW SANCTIONED FOR A YEAR NEXT IT BE THREE YEAR LISTEN TO OTHER PEOPLES ADVICE LEAVES YOU FUCKED ?

      wayne

      August 29, 2013 at 9:48 am

      • WAYNE. I AM ON THE WP IN A CERTAIN COASTAL AREA OF EAST ANGLIA. TWO WEEKS AGO I WAS IN MY PUBLIC LIBRARY. ONE OF THE WP ADVISORS WAS IN THE LIBRARY TOO. I HAD NOT SEEN HER. SHE WALKED PASSED ME AND SAW ME ON THIS SITE. I WAS TOLD TO COME OFF THE SITE OR FACE A SANCTION. THE WP HAS AN OPEN MONITOR IN THEIR PREMISES WHERE TRAFFIC ON THIS SITE IS MONITORED. THEY ARE GOING CUCKOO TRYING TO WORK OUT WHO THE POSTERS ARE AND IF THEY ARE IN THE CENTRE.

        WATCHMAN 50

        August 29, 2013 at 10:02 am

      • We are flattered….

        Andrew Coates

        August 29, 2013 at 10:37 am

      • AND AS I WAS IN LIBRARY I WOULD TOLD HER THIS AIN’T DOLE OFFICE I WOULD TOLD HER FUCK OFF WHAT WAS YOU SCARED I QUITE REGULAR SEE DOLE STAFF IN TOWN AND I MAKE EFFORT TO DIS THEM IN OTHER WORD GIVE IT TO THEM NOW GET BACK BONE THEY DON’T OWN YOU CAUSE YOU SIGN ON AND THEY DON’T OWN LIBRARY DO THEY

        wayne

        August 29, 2013 at 10:45 am

      • Wayne, first off I feel for you on this sanction crap you speak of BUT I stand by all I say as ive used it and or am using right now. My legal case is its written in stone in their operation guides as to exactly what they can and cant do.

        Back in the day I was a civil servant for HMRC and all employees were openly instructed not to offer advice that may aid the client if the client is unknowing so their still practicing the same art except are very careful in what they say.

        Your have to share your actual experience with us but at a guess I suspect that you offered no alternative evidence like in written form or believe it or not verbal form but I wouldn’t do this specific one unless you have photographic memory.

        I haven’t read this site top to toe but as yet I haven’t read this post you did that states you don’t have to supply evidence as you do as it forms part of your agreement BUT HOW YOU PRESENT IT IS UP TO YOU PROVIDING IT LEADS JCP to conclude whether or not you infact applied and when AND ITS CLEARLY WRITTEN IN THE RULES I POSTED ABOVE.

        Share your exact story and will see what can or cant be done wayne as if you did supply alternate evidence and that evidence would lead JCP irrespective of time and or cost which you have no legal responsibility towards to this said employer and that this said employer confirms the date of receipt then you have satisfied the evidence requirements meaning the sanction is unlawful.

        gaia

        August 29, 2013 at 11:02 am

      • THEY USE THE CLAUSE WHAT A DWP ADVISOR DEEMS FIT FOR YOU TO RE-ENTER INTO WORK I’M NOT A FOOL YOU KNOW OF COURSE SUPPLIED OTHER EVIDENCE BUT THEY DEEMED I NEED TO GIVE THEM ACTUAL PRINT OUT MY UNIVERSAL JOB MATCH AND AS YOU STATE YOU DON’T HAVE TO BUT WHEN THEY DEEM THAT’S WHAT THEY WANT NO MATTER WHAT THE LAW IS AND MY LAWYER HAS TRIED AND FAILED AS THE USE WHAT AN ADVISOR DEEMS SO NO MATTER HOW THE LAW STANDS YOU CAN’T WIN AND I KNOW HAVE TRIED AND LOST AND I’M NOT PUTTING UP ON THIS SITE MY CASE AS I’VE GOT A SOLICITOR IF HE CAN’T WIN YOU CAN’T TRUST ME ON THAT ONE

        wayne

        August 29, 2013 at 11:14 am

    • So in your case and do check your jobseekers agreements exact wording first but you have AGREED to I quote “check my universal jobmatch account for jobs” then ” times a week at least”. the word is CHECK not APPLY THROUGH.

      So you must now enter your UJ account so many times a week and must apply to all suggested jobs unless you can prove you are incapable of doing the job (ie no quals or experience required by employer).

      HOW YOU SOURCE THE CONTACT DETAILS WITHIN UJ IS UP TO YOU (ie already given without account needed on ad, phone up or obtained via applying through UJ electronically), HOW YOU APPLY FOR THEM IS UP TO YOU (ie, ring up UJ for suggested vacancies contact details and then email through your own email account in the case of email addresses and ring or write for the others. Theirs plenty of alternate ways to apply for UJ vacancies.

      Right down on paper the date you emailed the job, the sites JOB ID number, the company or agency your applying to, state method which in this case is email CV and cover letter then put a date to that to in outcomes. DO THIS ON YOUR OWN PAPER, DO NOT DO IT ON THEIR SUPPLIED JOBSEARCH EVIDENCE BOOKLET OR SHEET.

      Technically but it will cause unnecessary raising of doubts and possible sanctions regardless of over turned or not you only need to supply the date you found/applied for the suggested vacancy and the JOB ID as this alone will lead them to the vacancy on their very own site so will supply contact details and position so now they only need to establish the time given is the same as applied FOR if they take a mind to.

      At this point its up to THEM to prove different and how they do so is of no legal concern or responsibility of yours meaning irrespective of cost and time they cannot demand under any circumstance the sort of evidence you supply providing it leads them to a conclusion (ie, can this employer be located and contacted).

      Where even this falls apart is people like me put DPA rules on all my stuff from email to CV, you name it so the employer if contacted cant legally acknowledge anything about me unless im under criminal investigation meaning one of or maybe both of the 2 parties is guilty of an offence (ie, the employer is in breach of DPA and or JCP of fraud and deception). When I constantly ask why do you want my evidence they always hide behind its protocol and you have to agree to it to get benefit yet we all know you DONT invent such a thing because it fits well, it was invent to catch liars/fraudters so every time they ask me for evidence their basically saying they DONT TRUST ME. Well if your going to do that to me then you better come prepared so you can imagine I would love them to check, hell I even called them out, instructed, no insisted that if they suspect me of fraud that they must ring the police this very second.

      Fraud is a CRIME and as such comes clearly under CRIMINAL LAW and yes even lying on your evidence DOES constitute as a CRIME. If you ACCUSE someone of such and are found to be wrong it opens them up to a civil suite of defamation of character, a place they don’t want to go hence why they never want to put in writing why they actually check on an individual basis, why when they check that they never mention it unless they have you criminally first (yes they can and do check behind your back when required to) as then you lose your rights.

      gaia

      August 29, 2013 at 10:21 am

    • gaia,

      In a word – Yes. You have answered my question and a lot more besides. Many thanks. You really are a knowledgeable person. May the skies open and rain sweetmeats down upon you.

      The Helping Hand

      August 29, 2013 at 11:07 am

      • Don’t thank me Helping hand, theres plenty out their all doing the same thing so im sure if it wasn’t me it would definitely had been answered by the others. Got to protect your community I say.

        This aside do print if you haven’t already the rules out, don’t do a me and recite them, its open and shut when you put it in their face in black and white nicely provided under the freedom of information act from DWP/JCP themselves.

        Also take your time, theirs no rule you must answer the moment they finish a question, if possible prepare at home for any and all questions you think they might put to you as then your still be out in less than 15 min. If not sure whats what just let them ask the question that’s usually a demand of you will then state “Ok ive heard you so now as I am legally uniformed im just going to check the rules and if correct I fully intend to comply”, that really boils their blood I find as their only given a max of half an hour a client. Infact although I don’t want you to do this but you could ask and get sufficient time (ie, by your next signing date) to check this unless they wish to present the UJtoolkit to you which as yet no one has reported as being the case, especially when it constantly contradicts everything they say.

        gaia

        August 29, 2013 at 4:56 pm

      • Gaia, keep your comments simple and to the point. I understand the passion. I worked in banking (and did a law degree, too many years ago) not exactly popular. Latterly in insolvency. The stuff I did was socially useful. Also volunteered at the CAB. But when it comes to IT I genuinely don’t have a clue. Utterly clueless. I use it for what I need. I am pleased u have set up this website. It has helped me, we are all in the same boat for good or ill. In life stuff happens.

        Windmill1

        August 31, 2013 at 2:05 am

  30. WATCHMAN 50 :
    WAYNE. I AM ON THE WP IN A CERTAIN COASTAL AREA OF EAST ANGLIA. TWO WEEKS AGO I WAS IN MY PUBLIC LIBRARY. ONE OF THE WP ADVISORS WAS IN THE LIBRARY TOO. I HAD NOT SEEN HER. SHE WALKED PASSED ME AND SAW ME ON THIS SITE. I WAS TOLD TO COME OFF THE SITE OR FACE A SANCTION. THE WP HAS AN OPEN MONITOR IN THEIR PREMISES WHERE TRAFFIC ON THIS SITE IS MONITORED. THEY ARE GOING CUCKOO TRYING TO WORK OUT WHO THE POSTERS ARE AND IF THEY ARE IN THE CENTRE.

    Yep they hate it as you are being shown their operation manual as regards what they can and cant do and they cant take it down as the site claims exemption under DPA on the grounds of “BEING IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST”, POINTS 32 and 34 of DPA or will do if approached.

    Theirs no point blocking it on their system as its broken no laws but I would imagine they would block it on the grounds of NOT BEING JOB RELATED but this is bull as your use of their computers isn’t just for jobsearching as you may have a barrier to work which a sanction ranks as one so you are free to seek out legal advice which is what this site brings amongst other things.

    This aside if they did block it if the owner doesn’t already know I will be happy to instruct them on how to move it to another IP address/server or how to blast it everywhere all over the net so it can never be blocked again. I can even get the owner passed clean feed so try as you might but I will mess up any plan you think you have of shutting it down JCP and providers so bring it on, I relish the challenge.

    And for the record wayne and the watch man I KNOW WHAT IS SAID WORKS AS IVE PERSONALLY USED IT OR CURRENTLY AM EVEN BEFORE SEEING IT ON THIS SITE SO ITS COMING FROM IN MY CASE STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH WHICH I STRONGLY SUSPECT IS THE CASE FOR ALL THE OTHERS THAT SUPPLIED IT.

    At the end of the day if you don’t want to use it then don’t, no ones twisting your arm but this is just a few of the things I enjoy currently you probably DONT?

    I too have recently left the WP yet despite 2 threats to date DONT HAVE A UJ ACCOUNT (do have a hidden one JCP cant trace for an aid tool to advise others on use)

    Like I said I have a hidden one which I have declared to JCP yet again todate have supplied no evidence that I ACTUALLY have as I have already proved beyond reasonable doubt that I am using UJ effectively without using a GATEWAY account.

    I as I had the TRAILBLAZER REPORT (post WP at JCP) before leaving the WP I insisted day one that I want to come in every week to sign on their by effectively stealing away another one of their threat tools and I love reminding them of it when they bring out you were mandated to attend weekly, it makes them speechless.

    They asked for my CV which first I reminded them under their operation rules im not legally obliged to supply it but just to throw them a bone as they then switch to we could state you haven’t got one thus reducing your chances for seeking employment I present one for them to VIEW ONLY and YES you can hold it out infront of them, you don’t actually have to put it in their hand and if you want to could actually read it out instead.

    They asked for my email and again I refused under the rules which although they were pissed did except without argument.

    Now their trying to say my evidence isn’t sufficient yet I reminded them it is so instructed them to call the police and then they said no its not a crime which I remained them actually it is. They switched to ok then next week we will send it to a decision maker to which I said why wait, lets do it right now, this very second, again the declined to act despite the threats. The manager even tried some shrink babble to which I laughed a lot I can tell you when I said “are or were you a doctor or nurse in a previous career, how would you possibly know my state of mind oh unqualified one”. I will let you all know how it goes when I next sign on as bank holiday weigh laid it a week.

    So if this is all crap as wayne suggests first explain me and my story and if its viewed as bull then explain why I and countless others tire ourselves on FOIs and sleepless nights going through laws/regulations.

    RATHER THAN SAY ITS CRAP WAYNE, PROVE ITS CRAP AND NO SORRY YOUR STORY ISNT EVIDENCE OF, WRITE YOUR OWN freedom of information requests and show us all a different version to the ones posted by others already?

    gaia

    August 29, 2013 at 11:50 am

    • EXCUSE ME YOU GOT A HIDDEN ONE BUT YOU DECLARED IT TO DWP READ WHOLE OF LAST POST YOU POSTED YOU EITHER GOING MAD OR NOT AWARE WHAT YOU SAYING CAN’T BE HIDDEN IF THEY SEARCH CAN THEY PLEASE READ WHOLE POST

      wayne

      August 29, 2013 at 12:03 pm

      • Dear Wayne I REPEAT I DONT USE IT AT ALL AND WITHOUT FEAR OF REPERCUSION (ZERO TO DATE) AND THAT ITS ONLY USED SO I CAN SEE PEOPLES EXACT PROBLEMS LIKE UNABLE TO PRINT FOR EXAMPLE.

        Yes I said to JCP I have got one but I also said to them I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF PROVING IT WHICH AGAIN TO THIS DATE I HAVENT, YET YOU HAD TO DIDNT YOU AS IT FORMS PART OF WHAT THEY MADE YOU DO AND AGAIN IS CLEARLY OUTLINED IN THE UJ TOOLKIT.

        SO NICE AND CLEARLY FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND NOW I AINT WHISTLING YOUR TUNE SON, I NEVER GOT MANDATED AND ITS EVEN ON MY AGREEMENT I DONT HAVE A UJ ACCOUNT AS I DO NOT SEE THE BENEFIT OF OPENING ONE, IT EVEN SAYS I WAS WARNED I MIGHT HAVE TO DATED SINCE DECEMBER LAST YEAR AND EVERY OTHER AGREEMENT SINCE.

        Im starting to think that maybe your telling a few untruths, maybe your a provider or advisor, who knows, either way to be on a sanction without money and not wanting help sounds a bit fishy as thousands come here because of the help and to make matters worse your deliberately slamming down everything inciting to others that they shouldn’t come to the site, that the data is crook.

        gaia

        August 29, 2013 at 2:17 pm

      • Please don’t insult me I would not be one them scum bags even for all the money in China and excuse me I’m simply telling people to make own judgement not listen to what works for you cause I can tell you it don’t work at my dole office and for your Info I did supply other evidence obout dwp bias advisor and descion make deemed in there opinion was not enough even an appeal with solicitor did not change that so please don’t tell me you know better / what works for you Won’t and don’t work for all if did there would be no body who gets sanctioned we would all tell them to shove it but as don’t work for all that’s why I take me own advice not yours and excuse me have you heard freedom speech I’m advocating that so do us a favour keep your opinions to self I don’t want to hear that you only person in country above dole and the rules and am untouchable yer ok DO YOU SMELL THAT I THINK CASE YOU DONT KNOW IT’S BULLSHIT ARE YOU AN ADVISOR LATRZ

        wayne

        August 29, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    • I DON’T NEED TO SHOW YOU JACK AND WHAT’S WORKING FOR YOU MAY BE OK BUT IT AIN’T LAW UP AND DOWN THE COUNTRY IT WON’T WORK AT MY JOB CENTER I CAN REST SURE YOU THAT I KNOW FOR FACT . BUT IF YOU LOOK AT PART WHERE YOU SAY YOU LEFT WORK PROGRAM THEN NEXT SENTENCE IT STATES I HAVE HIDDEN ONE I’VE DECLARED TO DWP DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU GOING ON ABOUT I SEE WHY YOU LOST LAST JOB

      wayne

      August 29, 2013 at 12:13 pm

      • Don’t be a tit wayne, the laws the same all over the country, stop talking utter bull which is such as todate you have offered absolutely zero evidence that the information here and on the links supplied is incorrect, infact other than now turning rude , you are evasive and I have seen this all to often before so will be ignoring your posts from this point onwards and I would imagine if they haven’t already so will every other member or visitor to the site.

        SO GOOD LUCK TRYING TO DISSEMINATE WHILE NO ONES LISTENING.

        gaia

        August 29, 2013 at 2:24 pm

  31. wayne :
    THEY USE THE CLAUSE WHAT A DWP ADVISOR DEEMS FIT FOR YOU TO RE-ENTER INTO WORK I’M NOT A FOOL YOU KNOW OF COURSE SUPPLIED OTHER EVIDENCE BUT THEY DEEMED I NEED TO GIVE THEM ACTUAL PRINT OUT MY UNIVERSAL JOB MATCH AND AS YOU STATE YOU DON’T HAVE TO BUT WHEN THEY DEEM THAT’S WHAT THEY WANT NO MATTER WHAT THE LAW IS AND MY LAWYER HAS TRIED AND FAILED AS THE USE WHAT AN ADVISOR DEEMS SO NO MATTER HOW THE LAW STANDS YOU CAN’T WIN AND I KNOW HAVE TRIED AND LOST AND I’M NOT PUTTING UP ON THIS SITE MY CASE AS I’VE GOT A SOLICITOR IF HE CAN’T WIN YOU CAN’T TRUST ME ON THAT ONE

    As fortune would have it wayne im exactly in your position right about now as they have too suggested to me that my evidence is insufficient. I naturally confronted them on the point what is sufficient as in the actual goal which I would have expected your solicitor to do.

    I asked them exactly how my evidence is INSUFFICIENT and HOW IS IT INSUFFICIENT IN THAT WHAT DOES IT STOP YOU DOING EXACTLY, WHAT IS IT THAT DOESNT ALLOW YOU TO CHECK UP ON ME IF YOU TOOK A MIND TO (all without solicitor).

    They couldn’t answer it or wouldn’t but instead kept trying to purely insist that that’s what they want without backing it up with anything. They threatened me with the DECISION MAKER so absolutely no sanction straight off the bat to which I replied LETS DO IT RIGHT NOW, THIS VERY SECOND, WHY WASTE TIME IF YOU THINK YOUR RIGHT AND IM WRONG.

    They refused to and kept muttering next time. I also insisted they ring the police if they suspect fraud as it is a crime, again they refused.

    you cant im sorry at the wim of desire just decide what constitutes insufficient, at the end of the day you must concede to the fact that the evidence forms a purpose and that purpose is to legitimise your jobsearch claims is it not sir.

    So you simply nail them to this inescapable fact.

    DOES YOUR EVIDENCE PROVIDE JCP WITH ENOUGH DETAIL TO LEGITIMISE YOUR JOBSEARCH CLAIMS YES OR NO, DOES IT PROVIDE THEM IRRESPECTIVE OF TIME AND OR COST A CLEAR PATHWAY TO THE TRUTH.

    Now before you can truly answer that one split your jobsearch evidence into two clear piles

    1: For only universal jobmatch
    2: For all other job sites

    As regards UJ did you present them with written or verbal evidence (you say you didn’t give a printout so omitted) ?

    Did with in this evidence you supply for each and every UJ entry supply a date, JOB ID number, name of company or agency applied to, the vacancy and how you applied and when if different to the first date. Their UJ tool and the site doesn’t work properly and one of the features open to JCP advisors only is that they can track a client through their email, IP address and look up jobs via the JOB ID number.

    Now often despite your evidence being quite correct their system tends to match the wrong ID to the wrong job hence why I mention putting down the employer or agency applied to if its offered. If it isn’t that doesn’t mean the only way to prove it is a printout, you could have rang up UJ for the details which I suspect you didn’t and could have written this down instead.

    Now monster who built and manage the program have multiple ways of applying for jobs so often on their more familiar site the applied for position doesn’t show up as evidence and I strongly suspect the same happens on UJ. Finally theirs a third method which again doesn’t show up in your evidence and that’s when you link to another site through UJ, a practice often sought by agencies. SO TO RECAP EVEN IF THE DETAILS ARE WITHHELD YOU CAN ALWAYS RING UJ UP LIKE WE ALL USE TO, TO GET THEM.

    Now moving onto other sites such as fish4jobs,jobsite, etc it gets a lot more tough but as its not something they can spy on I suggest printouts but according to the UJ TOOLKIT,

    87. To help assess that a claimant is actively seeking work you may SUGGEST that they show you: prints of any number or all of the screens/pages detailed in paragraph

    86 from their Universal Jobmatch account. However, this will not be possible for claimants who do not have access to a printer or cannot afford to print out copies of these pages; or any number or all of the screens/pages detailed in paragraph 86 from their Universal Jobmatch account if they have access to the internet on a smartphone

    Although not covered in the TOOLKIT but sites do often place media copyright controls so you might find you cant print or cut and paste certain pages. No one with any small bit of IT knowledge can dispute this.

    HOWEVER

    88. If it is not possible for the claimant to do any of the above, or the claimant
    does not wish to accept cookies and so needs to use a DWP IAD, advise
    the claimant that they can login to their UJ account and print off copies of
    the relevant screens/pages from an available IAD in your office. SO HAVE THEY SUPPLIED THIS SERVICE ?

    Lastly

    89. However, the ONUS is on the CLAIMANT to provide evidence of their jobsearch activity (by WHATEVER MEANS they choose).

    90. Therefore if a claimant does not wish to do this, you will need to base your assessment on the evidence they have provided. If this is insufficient and you are not completely satisfied they have MET THE REQUIREMENTS TO ACTIVELY SEEK WORK, raise a labour market doubt in the usual way.

    So as I have said TO MEET YOUR requirements to ACTIVELY SEEK WORK you must present PROOF OF which you do with your JOBSEARCH EVIDENCE but in order for that to be so the evidence must be of such that it presents CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE LOOKED FOR WORK AND APPLIED WHEN A VACANCY IS FOUND OR GIVEN IN THE CASE OF SUGGESTED JOBS VIA UJ ACCOUNTS.

    Bar applying through your UJ account any evidence given must make irrespective of time and or cost as its NOT your legal responsibility to in any shape or form, sure that it can lead an advisor to the source and that the source verifies receipt of said claimants application providing your not like me as I impose DPA on everyone so its a BREACH of DPA for any employer I have approached to confirm anything with anyone let alone DWP/JCP. Now I cant stop what goes on behind close doors but in order for DWP/JCP to get this employer to talk without coming under breach , they would have to prove or suggest I have acted criminally, (you lose your DPA rights when a criminal act is committed by you). If you are going to suggest that you need to ring an employer im going to ask why and it will boil down to the above so the question comes up “ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF ACTING FRAUDULANTLY, YES OR NO ?

    Naturally they don’t have the bulls to come out and say that especially as it would land them in civil suite country (defamation of character) IF WRONG so instantly stops them using the exemption so even if they do and lets say you didn’t apply, they have still illegally obtained the information as even the government and police have to follow rules so the evidence cant be used against you with out them having to admit to a criminal act themselves. This is why always GET IT IN WRITING EXACTLY WHY.

    If employer details cannot be produced because they are withheld for legal reasons, you CANNOT BE SANCTIONED FOR IT PLAIN AND SIMPLE AND A fish4jobs PRINTOUT IS PROOF OF THAT as unless you are familiar with the site the printout persay doesn’t establish you ACTUALLY applied for anything, sure it has a position and a date and references to the words jobs and CVs but none the less isnt clear like say JOBSITE is.
    JCP are to lazy and to tight to hunt down evidence through these other sites so are picking on those on their site which they can track

    THEY KNOW NO WEBSITE IS DUTY BOUND UNDER LAW TO SUPPLY THEM WITH DATA THAT COULD BE CONSTRUDE AS PERSONAL AND OR SENSITIVE BE IT ACCOUNT HOLDER OR POTENTIAL EMPLOYER. So other than printouts that they have tested themselves their is no actual proof you actually did, their just trusting that it isn’t faked which it could so easily be done.

    The ONLY hope of nailing you is through UJ and I hate to say it but you walked right into the double trip trap I announced months ago on this very site but I STILL URGE you to SHARE your story even more so for the fact you mentioned a solicitor got involved so I fail to see how a very well educated man didn’t already know this or could have gained access to their rules of operation?

    gaia

    August 29, 2013 at 2:04 pm

  32. Windmill1 :
    Gaia, keep your comments simple and to the point. I understand the passion. I worked in banking (and did a law degree, too many years ago) not exactly popular. Latterly in insolvency. The stuff I did was socially useful. Also volunteered at the CAB. But when it comes to IT I genuinely don’t have a clue. Utterly clueless. I use it for what I need. I am pleased u have set up this website. It has helped me, we are all in the same boat for good or ill. In life stuff happens.

    I hear you windmill and wish I could keep it small but damn law and IT engineering as you know just cant be handed out in I paragraph fixes or at least I cant cant condense them enough without diluting the points to be made, especially when as I said DWP/JCP have jumped to the tact of double tripping post WP claimants.

    For the record windmill I actually didn’t set this site up, I, even though I could find out by tracking IPs from the SQL hoster don’t have a clue who does but none the less like you am thankful someone did. I oldly enough did a bit CAB but online myself. What was nice about that was you dealt with loads of laws and company policy issues rather than a single issue such as in this case welfare. Ive never really been interested in law but dew to my usual occupation have to know tons of it including the ones consumers come under.

    This said I will try my best to keep them to a min as much as I can.

    gaia

    September 1, 2013 at 11:26 am

    • Your full shit you worked every where you are untouchable with dwp I’M AFRAID FULL CRAP YOU GOT SUCH GOOD WORK PAST BUT CAN’T FIND A JOB DO YOU SMELL THE BULL SHIT

      wayne

      September 1, 2013 at 11:33 am

  33. Gaia, we are on the same side but there are two of you..English and,,? Your commentary veers from American/English to English/English

    Windmill1

    September 1, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    • Oh lord windmill, don’t say that, I hate Americans or should I say I hate their government.
      Oh Please oh please give an example of my uses as I want to stamp that out straight away, the thought sickens me.

      gaia

      September 1, 2013 at 4:09 pm

      • LISTEN YOU ALL MISSING THE POINT UNIVERSAL JOB MATCH IS RUN BY MONSTERS INC WHO ARE AMERICAN EXCUSE ME THAT MEANS YOUR DATA IS BEING STORED IN AMERICA YOU CAN REFUSE TO SIGN UP ON GRIDS IT BREACH ENGLISH DATA PROTECTION LAW AS YOU HAVE OR BRITAIN HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT

        wayne

        September 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm

      • Actually I thought your answer was brilliant. Touchee

        Windmill1

        September 2, 2013 at 5:33 pm

  34. Not really thought about it but stumbled into this if no ones seen it yet regarding the use of DWP IADs

    It appears the argument is one based on the ill effects of transmitting frequencies. The first link is to the site so the whole post is on display however this argument isn’t until the latter stage. The second link is the FOI response from DWP.

    http://consentarchive.wordpress.com/universaljobmatch/

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/173127/response/422728/attach/html/3/FOI3884%20Gazz%20WDTK%20Reply.pdf.html

    I think this one although many a case can fit this category is a good example of the fine line between what constitutes a reasonable and legal request and what constitutes just using the law as an excuse. The juries still out on the effects of frequencies on the human body as we know they do effect the body as they do all matter but as to if its detrimental to like say contracting cancer no one as yet has found a link.

    Personally if I was an advisor in the first instance would suspect an excuse if this reasoning was put forward to me But and heres the important thing we were once told eating to many oranges might cause cancer and the data was at about the same place as wireless transmission at the time, now despite already having consumed millions in my life i still reduced my intake and my motivation was JUST INCASE pure and simple. It turned out rather unsubstantiated although still around 60 40 against but even now I still don’t eat as many as well it wouldn’t be the first time science was wrong so better safe than sorry I say.

    The point im making is, is that its exactly how your feckled face advisor sees it every time we say no then promptly rush a law in their face. Law is about the limits of compliance regarding a given matter (super basic explanation) and until broken, cant be held accountable meaning that they would have to force you first which we know DWP/JCP don’t mind as it means they can stop your funds which seems to be more their aim what with elections just around the corner. The upbeat for DWP/JCP is or should I say IDSs party, is that they win either way so the trick is to sidestep rather than move forward on any issue with them their by missing the double trip trap that so many walk into.

    People make the mistake of quoting only law when the advisor actually needs a reason why not as is clearly set out in their operation guides. Its when the doubt your request that’s when you apply law like for instance I like my privacy and if they say for instance im sorry you cant have none then and only then do I apply in this case the human rights act coupled with DPA.
    Its always nice to spare the angst of waiting for a decision what with funds being stopped but sadly it does boil down to the aptitude of the given advisor so if you cant win in the first instance its always probable to happen and I remember one case in the past that took seven months to sort despite clear cut evidence not law proving the contrary.

    Look its only criminal if you break a criminal law, our matters with DWP/JCP are CIVIL matters and often the strategy employed is time choking thus in a lot of cases sees the applicant withdraw from the proceedings against the accused on principle of cost Vs remuneration or just plain cost Vs funds.

    Im saying this as I don’t want people to end up like poor wayne who is now suffering as he didn’t factor in going full term (ie, they thought a rule would stave a suspension of benefit).
    DONT EVER PLAY THE LAW GAME IF YOU AINT GOT THE CASH AND OR TIME to support yourself during proceedings as theirs no limit to how long a case can continue or be stifled during the process if and only if you are right in your argument as CAB is just merely the start and any of us could quite easily end up sorting it through our local MP or Ombudsman.

    gaia

    September 1, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    • Listen i applyed the law in full and there rules my brief did to / to no avail if dwp advisor deems in there opinion that you not doing enough to look for work like me no appeal will help you and when its your turn to be sanctioned which we all know it will be some time as they are sanctioning people just to keep own jobs most that getting sanctioned are not cause they done something wrong it just that its there turn as dwp can’t keep sanctioning same people look bad that’s why in long run all that sign will get a sanction 1.8 millon were issued last year I know done FOI request and not all them were for own stupidity of not doing enought to look for work LET ME KNOW WHEN IT’S YOUR TURN AS IT WILL BE ONE TIME OR ANOTHER TRUST ME ON THAT

      wayne

      September 1, 2013 at 4:23 pm

      • Wayne
        I told you all ready it is happening to me and what happened on the first occassion (I know theirs going to be a second and a third) as regards my jobsearch evidence being so called deemed insufficient. So injustice or not I will report back, that’s why I wanted to hear your story to see if possible their angle and any symmetry towards our respective cases.

        They can raise a doubt or sanction on me if they like as I never signed on for the money, im not claiming housing or council tax relief, no child benefits, working tax, not a single other benefit. I was instructed by the tax office to do so as the nature of what I do isn’t very often PAYE (ie unless you choose to) dependant upon the contract. Don’t get me wrong you could do the same job for PAYE but you wont earn near as much money or have as much controlling interest over your part of what you do (ie you impose the regulations, not the company your contracted to or even paid by). You still have to follow company policy out in the field (ie code of conduct or dress code) but the regulations under law part is issued directly from you. This is how I know what it feels like to be in a position whereby I am the one to decide (interpret) whether or not the law applies and or to administer it or not. I know and this may seem really horrible but no one ever gives a fig unless someone dies or gets hurt, even HASAWA regulators.

        From design to commission its law bloody law bloody law so you can imagine how mad I am that even when im not working its still law bloody law bloody law.

        I will definitely know by the end of this week whether im still insufficient which should be fun as ive got another decision for the makers to make as they are their for you to you know.

        gaia

        September 1, 2013 at 7:01 pm

      • I GET IT BUT WHEN AS YOU ARE AWARE WHEN YOU GO TO APPEAL AND THE APPEAL IS ALSO WITH DWP IN THE SENCE OF IF DWP DEEM IN THERE OPINION YOU AIN’T DONE ENOUGH OR YOU APPLYING FOR WRONG SORT JOB YOU DON’T STAND CHANCE / AND I WAS IN THE BELIEVE OF THAT YOU HAD TO APPLY FOR ALL JOB YOU CAPABLE OF DOING BUT APPEAL AGREE WITH DWP IF THEY DEEM WHAT YOU DOING IS WRONG THEN YOU ARE FUCKED THAT LEADS BACK TO MY LAST POST WHEN IT’S A PERSON TURN TO BE SANCTIONED YOU AIN’T GOT LEG STAND ON I NOW HAVE TO DO THINGS THAT LET’S JUST SAY WHAT YOU HAVE TO TO SURVIVE AMAZING WHEN THEY KNOCK PEOPLE OFF WHAT DO THEY THINK PEOPLE DO IF CAN’T GET WORK I TELL YOU THEY BECOME DRUG DEALERS CROOKS WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO GET BY DON’T TELL YOU WHEN WORKING TAKING NATIONAL INSURANCE OR TAX WE GOING SANCTION YOU WHEN YOU DON’T FIND WORK DO THEY . WHO EVER DREAMT UP LET’S TURN PEOPLE IN TO CRIMINALS BY TAKING AWAY THERE DOLE WANTS HANGING AND CHEEK WHEN YOU SANCTIONED AND STARVING HUNGRY NO GAS ELETRIC OR HEAT THEY STILL WANT YOU TO ENGAGE IN THERE CRAP TELL ME HOW YOU DO THAT WITH OUT DOING THE OBVIOUS I WOULD LIKE ALL ON HERE TO ANSWER ME THAT ONE LET’S SEE WHO HAS ANSWER TO THAT AS WHEN SANCTIONED SAY FOUR WEEKS IT TURNS OUT TO BE EIGHT WEEKS YOU GOT NO MONEY HOW DO YOU STAY DOUBT WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO WHEN YOU SLOWLY DINING FROM THE OBVIOUS

        wayne

        September 1, 2013 at 7:28 pm

      • Yeah, Wayne people should stop listening to all sorts of crap whether it be politically motivated or all that Freewo/man of the land smart-arse lawyer talk Do what it takes to protect YOUR benefits because when the DWP cut off your means of support there aint going to be anyone with a megaphone or Freewo/man of the land coming round to bail you out.

        Smoked Signal

        September 1, 2013 at 10:46 pm

  35. Gaia, you are good but not that good, Lord Windmill

    Windmill1

    September 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm

  36. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. IN RESPONSE TO WINDMILL1 POST #91 OF SEPTEMBER 1 AT 05;04PM IS GAIA A ”FALSE FLAG” PLANTED BY DWP.

    PHILIP

    September 2, 2013 at 7:21 am

    • DON’T YOU THINK PEOPLE THAT EVERY SURE YOU GO TO IE FACE BOOK ON ERE EBAY YOU GOT SOME ONE WATCHING YOU ON ERE DWP EBAY TAX MAN THAT’S WHY. IF USING OWN NAME DON’T LEAVE SELF OPEN TO WHERE DWP CAN USE WHAT YOU DOING AGAINST YOU SAME WITH EBAY TAX MAN WANTS HIS SHARE OF ANY PROFIT YOU MAKE

      wayne

      September 2, 2013 at 7:27 am

    • I like conspiracy nuts like you phillip as your one post has caused more damage to the cause of the site than if i am as you say i am a mole, than i have done in any or all of my entire posts here. Whether or not you are yourself a mole im sure DWP/JCP very much appreciate your voluntary contribution to their cause as people will now no longer know what to think or do.

      Think about it, my posts advocate these FOIs work so i am obviously for their use rather than against so if im a mole then im obviously in the know that they don’t work otherwise why give them the thumbs up. You know this is true as right here we have now 2 people saying they don’t work and me defending the FOIs so you know fact im not against them no matter what i am deemed at this stage.

      So now people wheres as once only had to make personal choice to use or not, now have to weigh up whos telling the truth but this of course doesn’t matter as if they don’t work then their is absolutely no recourse for anything DWP/JCP do so claimants are screwed are they not ?

      So is your stance phillip for claimants to do exactly as they are told by DWP/JCP and if so isn’t it you that infact that appears to side more with DWP/JCP?

      Based on that who really sounds like their mudding the water as surely your opposed to my stance so don’t agree with the use of FOIs that come straight from the government that you are yourself free to request anytime you want.

      I like you phillip and put you right next to my top favourites cashews. Just out of interest i don’t suppose your address is area 51 ?

      gaia

      September 2, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    • Philip: about gaia possibly being a DWP plant. I don’t know about that but his/her posting are rambling and sometimes incoherent.

      The Helping Hand

      September 2, 2013 at 4:30 pm

  37. Smoked Signal :
    Yeah, Wayne people should stop listening to all sorts of crap whether it be politically motivated or all that Freewo/man of the land smart-arse lawyer talk Do what it takes to protect YOUR benefits because when the DWP cut off your means of support there aint going to be anyone with a megaphone or Freewo/man of the land coming round to bail you out.

    So smoke signal, why are you here in the first place then and the same for wayne or me. We all came here of our own free choice, we weren’t mandated to as neither are we or anyone mandated to use the information supplied on this site or the links supplied.

    Criminal, civil, theirs no guarantees, their never has been, we still see innocent people go to jail or lose an harassment work case leaving them out of pocket everyday, that’s im afraid just how it works in that you have to put something up for the offering like if criminal it could increase the sentence if lost or in the case of civil you end up broke or should i say in debt. So to use anything here yes is a risk and if you have ever been arrested would know this and how the legal system works and or is exploitable like civil is every waking day.

    Its like a valid point wayne made when he said one shoe doesn’t fit all which is quite correct hence as well every case is different so must be applied differently each and every time unless theirs a presidence for it. Sit in a court sometime if you don’t believe, it doesn’t matter if its criminal or civil, you put two alike cases together and each will have the law applied differently by both prosecution and defence.

    As they say in court ignorance is no excuse which you know is true because well when was the last time in your entire life when the law sat you down and explained the law before you break it and despite all that it still boils down to what a judge or jury think that determines the outcome.

    So i don’t see your point on explaining the obvious as what you both have said is basic 101 one when applying the law, you weigh up the risks on the merits of each case plain and simple and if you cant you get legal advice first before taking the throne on as so to speak (you comply then legally challenge for a reverse). I also know as it was said to me what this decision making entailed and even if it wasn’t its easily accessible on the net as the government don’t hide this process so in waynes case its not like he couldn’t have found out the risks or didnt know as well you know DWP/JCP are no strangers to bragging how they can and will sanction you so would have mentioned it with glee nodoubt during the incident.

    So wayne knew the risks or should have before he started saying no, especially when he can probably attest to the fact be it personal or witnessed that DWP/JCP are no strangers to lying and cheating to get a sanction through. Im sorry and i mean that but that’s the risks we all take but to blame a website for the actual cause of a sanction is just plain petty and inconsistent with the truth as no body personally advised wayne to do it or at least todate he hasn’t named anyone who personally addressed him, he choose of his own free will as i do and like him i too will have to face the verdict whatever that maybe plain and simple.

    On a different note you both must be very busy people as theirs tons of sites just like this on the net so i must ask how on earth you ever intend to stop people using them as posting antis has never worked on any site for any issue, its just one post in millions and is lost and forgotten everyday like this post now for instance is no longer the sites topic so most visitors wont even see it now its past tense. At most i hate to say your probably be laballed as trolls meaning people are even less likely to listen when you show up every where and even without that the owner of any website can remove any post they want without having to legally answer to it and or block multiple IP addresses as soon as they log on as administrators have a time delay so can see what your posting before you have even finished it. If we go to the extreme and lets say you got it shut down, it like wikileaks will just instantly spring up again on another site and another and another and on the story goes and to smack the face as so to speak all for FREE everytime.

    Try as you might but i can never see sites like this going away, hell the government cant even get rid of the criminal ones as wikileaks, torrent sites and all the others can attest to as they pop up again a day later. Take this clean feed that the UK use, what a piece of useless crap and oh so easy to circumnavigate, even my internet provider hasn’t been able to block me through the exchange. Aslong as tech heads like me exist anything anyone wants on the net exists and im afraid to say but theirs milllions of us all over the world so you knock down one, two spring up straight away. Im not one of these lulsec people but their right, we are legion, we can never be stopped and your failing cyber commands prove that day in and day out as they have been able to do nothing to stop it except lock a few children up that well were handed to them on a plate anyway (that’s another story about hackers making sacrificial lambs of amateur hackers which are usually would be activists and have ago heroes however good intentioned they may be).

    The best advice anyone can give regarding crap on the internet is don’t use it then or stick only to your interests like gaming or jobsearch to name but a few things but like i said I, you and everyone came here of their free choice so we only have our selves to blame when and if it backfires as we are adults so must take responsibility for our own actions instead of trying to blame others even if incited as the final decision is ours and ours alone to decide.

    gaia

    September 2, 2013 at 11:34 am

  38. wayne :
    1.8 millon were issued last year I know done FOI request and not all them were for own stupidity of not doing enought to look for work .

    Can you provide some proof of this please Wayne, as i am still awaiting the sanction figures from Labour that they promised when they sat on their hands with the retro welfare reform bill from IDS , any new/older data would be much appreciated.

    Oneman

    September 2, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    • Do freedom information like I did I cant up load it I only got mobile phone and when you down load what reply dwp send to your phone it don’t allow you to up load sorry mate less I would

      wayne

      September 2, 2013 at 1:21 pm

  39. wayne :
    Do freedom information like I did I cant up load it I only got mobile phone and when you down load what reply dwp send to your phone it don’t allow you to up load sorry mate less I would

    Thanks Wayne

    What do i search under (as there are many). Do you have a title/link that you can type out on here, with a date for your reply or original request?

    I take it that it was from whatdotheyknow or consentme. ( or other )?

    Regards

    Oneman

    September 2, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    • I just done Foi request you do same you will get reply must dash ok

      wayne

      September 2, 2013 at 2:04 pm

      • FOI takes time and my time has run out You said you had done a FOI request so there must be a link (hopefully ?)

        If you can find the time, could you write out some of the reply please?

        Any idea what happens if you are on a 3yr sanction and a doubt is raised after???????? Just sent a doubt letter off!!! and i would love to hear what they are going to say this time!!!!!

        Anyone can forget any appeal chance as i am still awaiting a reply from this time last year and that was only the first one!

        Oneman

        September 2, 2013 at 2:20 pm

      • As I’m doing on phone and can’t up load I don’t hold on to them and I’m sanctioned for year so no need to hold on to them do FOI REQUEST mine took 3 weeks ok latrz

        wayne

        September 2, 2013 at 2:58 pm

      • Hi ween

        Can you lie straight in bed at night, when asleep

        because your lies on here are dumb founding me.

        you are a prolific bull shitter with no proof of what you say! you procrastinate and when asked for proof, you run away like a little boy in the play ground. Funny how fast you came running back??? I do hope this is a one off and you are just drunk. i could forgive that. everyone should have a second chance. even a drunk prat like you!

        Oneman

        September 2, 2013 at 11:33 pm

  40. Why do ”Wayne’s” avatars keep changing ?

    philip

    September 2, 2013 at 2:41 pm

  41. philip :
    Why do ”Wayne’s” avatars keep changing ?

    Not sure if you can keep a colored box, thing (its a random thing?) not sure if / or you can add a photo or image for this bit? Can you?

    Is it important?

    Oneman

    September 2, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    • I don’t know if they still do it but if you join up with wordpress and use their tools you use to be able to contact and rate other page holders and even though I don’t play with stuff as regards looks I believe you could change it. Its so long ago I cant remember now so don’t take my word for it.
      Another possible reason as i use to do this when I went through my website phases is its pattern changes according to the IP address you send in on, helps sift out the spammers and nut jobs from an admin and moderator perspective but in programming theory could be made to do anything but your need dreamweaver for that im afraid. Ied recommend a site to download it for free if you wanted ADOBES DW but that would make me an accomplice to possibly a crime of infringement but on the other hand I can tell you all about torrenting, magnet and filesharing as in how it works and how if possible it can be improved on account of our IP providers giving us poor upload speeds.

      gaia

      September 2, 2013 at 4:40 pm

      • Just swapped out my IP and the colour changed so its definitely connected to your IP.

        gaia

        September 2, 2013 at 4:50 pm

      • forget it Gaia!

        You are great in green.

        Oneman

        September 2, 2013 at 11:04 pm

  42. sorry heres the proof

    gaia

    September 2, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    • Sorry, sorry, it changes when you change your email address

      gaia

      September 2, 2013 at 5:15 pm

      • you still sound good in purple!

        Oneman

        September 2, 2013 at 11:12 pm

  43. Recording a conversation will not hhelp you now, My local job centre (wigan) have adopted the tatic of simplye telling you no you cant not record in a public place (reception) due to over hearing other ‘clients’ . and if you insist they ask you leave the premise immediately or they will call the police.

    If they find out you are allready rrcording they resort to the same tatic. they have done this to me both Today and last Wednesday. They obviously believe they are secure no matter that I do have it all recorded.

    growls

    September 2, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    • My JC, Cambridge, tried to show me the door when I told them I was recording my interview/signing. I stood my ground and insisted I speak to the floor manager. I showed him these FOI letters.

      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/169605/response/416543/attach/html/3/FOI%20Response%203403.pdf.html

      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/167004/response/405790/attach/html/2/FOI3032%20Response%2004.07.13.pdf.html

      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/167004/response/405790/attach/html/3/Recordings%20by%20claimants1.pdf.html

      I also advised him that I would email the District Manager and Cambridge News if he insisted on my leaving under threat of calling the Old Bill. He backed down. He had to interview me himself because the adviser was too spooked to carry on. Growls-mate: you’ve got to stand your ground. God knows I know it’s difficult; I’ve been there.

      This is the link for the District managers.

      http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/managers-by-region.pdf

      The Helping Hand

      September 2, 2013 at 7:13 pm

      • Oh dear. I’ve just checked the last link for the list of 2013 District Managers and it appears to have been archived by the DWP. I wonder why they did that: he said. Well anyway, here’s the list for 2012. Some of these are still relevant.

        http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/jcp-district-managers.pdf

        THe Helping Hand

        September 2, 2013 at 7:24 pm

      • Good for you. Not easy to do, respect. I have told my advisor I want her manager to be there at the next meeting. I have complained to IDS, it will achieve nothing but may frighten the front line to getting what you want, like being treated like a human being.

        Windmill1

        September 2, 2013 at 7:29 pm

      • Ahhhhh give it a fucking rest will you just record them dont tell them case shut NOW FUCK UP SAD BARSTARDS get a JOB

        wayne

        September 2, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    • They pulled that one did they. OK they as their course of business must comply with the law which is they and not the claimant must protect all claimants personal and sensitive data while processing. For a member of the general pubic its entirely different as first its not illegal to have a video or audio diary. Next any recording is about you and the subject, if it included background no one would be allowed to record on places like beaches or parties where people often spill personal and sensitive data.

      What does this mean

      Well they can say no and they can ask you to leave the building but as it as far as I know doesn’t form any part of your conduct while on their premises under the agreement they cant actually punish you for it via sanctions I believe and if they refuse which is their legal right to let you in they must make arrangements another way for your benefit to be paid and or hand over your evidence and make the weekly declaration. They’ve got this habit of trying to make it your problem but with research your find its often far far from what they claim.

      The alternative is what I believe your doing now which is record in secret and do remember what I said about video and audio diaries so if a complaint or sanction goes about bring it up then under would you believe it but I was going through my video/audio diary and it appears I have the whole occasion recorded and your have to listen to it yourselves but its saying something different to what your saying. Now they can refuse to listen but they have no control over it after it leaves them and goes onto the local MP or ombudsman or even CAB.
      Personally I wouldn’t bring it up with them and instead use it on the other stages as it will be a shock to their system when someone else informs them they heard a recording.

      Now theirs no guarantee it will be admissible but their is limitations excepted like in cases of abuse where a judge will often entertain a recording as evidence without prior consent.

      How does the abused spouse prove mental torture against an abusive partner ?

      That aside this is how a judge can legally enter it into evidence. If you are suspected and or guilty of a crime under law you forfeit your rights under DPA.

      Now the hard part as this is pure law is you finding reasonable grounds to put forward an abuse of power and position and remember you don’t have to prove absolute guilt, just the suspicion of for them to lose their rights under law. Now lying on something and lying to cover it up when a public servant is grounds for abuse of power and position.

      This is quite a subject so don’t take my word, you need to research all the paperwork and have it in place, look about or for a fee most solicitors will condense it for you verbally but its a one off and isn’t free these days, it was 25 pound back in the day but that was over a decade ago.

      If your interested don’t cant actually tell you to switch of your phone either, They can suggest but cant actually force you through threat of sanction as at most they could claim anti social noise but before they can do that they would have to record the ringing of your phone and test the decibels first. I found this out recently when some silly advisor tried it on me. I forced them to have to say its a request and they hated that and when i said i respectfully decline they accused me of being obstructive so I said manager please and they shuffled off. Now they didn’t know but I could hear them clear as day and they were so trying to find a way to prevent me signing on but had to come back and do it and to think it all started the moment I said no thanks to UJ then promptly placed a fat wad of evidence proofing I was sufficiently using UJ without the need for a gateway account not to mention saying aswell if the address is hidden that I can always ring up UJ.

      You see this UJ and importantly gateway has to be open to the general public working or not so if a working person wants to apply but the job is hidden they cant be forced to register and considering equal opportunities cant hold the vacancy from them so they must have redress hence the phone number and don’t forget most people don’t have access to a computer and the internet or may not at the time.

      If like me your into having fun on the internet I would open thousands of UJ accounts as the rules don’t state you cant and use a different one everyday or every job as you dont have to tell them until you sign on next. And the system allows it and even if they block an IP then you have the perfect explanation of not having evidence so had to write it down so either way you get them. I have also great methods for protecting your personal and sensitive data online and its all legal to like white texting Cvs although I use a program I recommend called PDF direct plus as it both encrypts and copyright protects all PDF documents which is an uploadable format to UJ but sadly it wont except it because of the legal security in place. Ive informed JCP but as yet they haven’t come back to me, oh I wonder why ?

      Good on you growl and all like him.

      gaia

      September 2, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    • keep recording everything. its all down to the judge and if he/she accepts transcrips.

      Its their choice. you may fall lucky. If i you have evidence and the judge ruled that it can’t be used in court. he/she has heard it!!! that is hard to forget.

      Oneman

      September 2, 2013 at 11:11 pm

  44. wayne :
    Ahhhhh give it a fucking rest will you just record them dont tell them case shut NOW FUCK UP SAD BARSTARDS get a JOB

    Wayne my dear. Ther’e really no need to swear; it only goes to show what a poor vocabulary you have. I’m guessing (correctly) you have issues. Did someone jump on your bones (Saville-style) when you were in the crib? Just where does this anger come from, my pretty?

    Oh, and by the way. Barstard is spelt: BASTARD. You ignorant Fuck.

    The Helping Hand

    September 2, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    • LISTEN INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR WAYS NOT TO WORK YOU SAD LITTLE MAN TRY USING THEM TWO BRAIN CELLS YOU HAVE AND SAME ENERGY YOU USE TO GET OUT WORKING THEN YOU WILL BE IN WORK AS I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE SEEN SO MANY PEOPLE WANTING WAYS TO BEAT THE DWP I TELL YOU HOW TO BEAT THEM USE SUM THAT ENERGY YOU GAVE IN YOUR GOB LOOKING FOR WORK AS YOU GOT TO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS LOOKING FOR WAYS HOW TO BEAT THE SYSTEM THE WAY TO BEAT SYSTEM IS GET A JOB YOU LAZY BARSTARD WASTE SPACE MORON GET A JOB NOT USE IT TRYING FIND WAYS NOT TO WORK YOU LAZY NO GOOD TWAT NOW DO US A FAVOUR FCK OFF YOU LAZY BARSTARD

      wayne

      September 2, 2013 at 8:48 pm

      • But wayne what you have just said can be used to apply to you also as did you not try to beat the DWP yourself and that’s why your here to warn everyone. Are you not yourself without through your own admission work and currently sanctioned ?

        Im confused in how you don’t take your own advice if its so good an idea ?

        gaia

        September 2, 2013 at 9:23 pm

      • I’ve taken me own advice I now do not claim not cause of sanction I now am self employed may be you should tale advice and get a job use some energy you use on here not to work then may be you will find work and not have to result in finding ways not to work good luck in job search

        wayne

        September 2, 2013 at 9:29 pm

      • wayne :
        I’ve taken me own advice I now do not claim not cause of sanction I now am self employed may be you should tale advice and get a job use some energy you use on here not to work then may be you will find work and not have to result in finding ways not to work good luck in job search

        I take your point and good for you. We all want work. I have worked all my life since school. If you go self employed you will need to register as self employed, pay your class 2 NI and do your own tax return (class 4 NI), it really hurts at month 18 (ask your accountant). You need to provide for your tax monthly and put it in a separate account. If you are on CIS they will automatically deduct 20 per cent but then it gets complicated. And this is normally where it goes wrong. The tax man if not paid will make you bankrupt (they don’t care) nobody else will cos it costs them.
        The very idea that we don’t want to work……

        Windmill1

        September 2, 2013 at 10:24 pm

      • You are paying for it you illiterate fool.

        Oneman

        September 3, 2013 at 1:20 am

    • Priceless!

      Windmill1

      September 2, 2013 at 8:57 pm

  45. I’ve just found this FOI request. Apparently jobseekers cannot be mandated or otherwise forced to use the Jobcentre’s IADs under threat of sanction.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/173127/response/422728/attach/html/3/FOI3884%20Gazz%20WDTK%20Reply.pdf.html

    The Helping Hand

    September 2, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    • but they can issue a directive and ask a DM to look at it. The good news is you have 21 days to agree or not and can’t be sanctioned for it

      sorry i have not looked at your link but i hope the two below help. ( sorry its long)
      e-mail: [email address].
      gov.uk

      Our Ref: VTR4024

      28 August 2013
      Annex A

      Jason Davies

      Dear Mr Davies,

      Thank you for your Freedom of Information request received on 23 August 2013. You asked

      “A3. Claimants will not be mandated to use IADs available in Jobcentre Plus offices and will,
      therefore, not be sanctioned if they refuse to use them. Use of IADs by claimants is
      voluntary.”

      Please provide the legislation and/or regulations which confirm that jobseekers cannot be
      mandated to use IADs in Jobcentres.

      Please also confirm that if a jobseeker exercises their right not to use an IAD in the
      Jobcentre that they would not be sanctioned if they also refuse to create and/or use a
      Universal Jobmatch account by way of the IAD.

      It may be helpful if I explain the role of the Freedom of Information Act. The Act provides a
      right of access to recorded information held by a public authority like DWP (subject to certain
      exemptions). The Act does not provide that a public authority must create new information to
      answer questions; nor does it provide that a public authority give advice, opinion or
      explanation in relation to issues/policies under question.

      In cases where a person asks a question, rather than request recorded information, we do
      our utmost to provide the recorded information that best answers the question. Once the
      public authority has provided the recorded information, it has met its obligations under the
      Act; interpretation of the information provided is left to the requestor.

      The recorded information we hold that best answers these questions is contained in
      paragraphs 54 to 90 in Chapter 03 of the Universal Jobmatch Toolkit which says:

      Issuing a Jobseeker’s Direction to mandate JSA claimants to create a profile and
      public CV in Universal Jobmatch
      54. Where you have explained the benefits to claimants of creating a profile and public CV in
      Universal Jobmatch and they will not do so willingly, they can be mandated to create a
      profile and public CV.
      55. However, for legal reasons, you cannot issue a Jobseeker’s Direction to mandate a
      claimant to create a profile and public CV unless a DWP IAD service is reasonably
      available to them should they need to use one – for example, because they do not want to
      accept cookies and therefore need to have access to a device on which cookies have
      already been accepted.
      56. You also cannot issue a Jobseeker’s Direction to mandate a claimant to give us access to
      their account – this is their decision not ours.
      What to consider before issuing a Direction
      57. The Jobseeker’s Direction guidance explains the factors that must be considered before a
      Jobseeker’s Direction is issued. In particular, a Jobseeker’s Direction mandating claimants
      to create a profile and public CV in Universal Jobmatch must be reasonable in terms of:
       improving the claimant’s employment prospects; and
       the claimant being able to use the service.
      58. For the majority of claimants, creating a profile and public CV in Universal Jobmatch will be
      an important part of improving employment prospects. However, actually creating a profile
      and public CV and using the service may be less than straightforward for some claimants if
      they are not reasonably able to use the service, for example those:
       with a learning or other health-related condition; or
       for whom English is their second language; or
       who lack appropriate literacy and/or numeracy skills; or
       who are not reasonably able to access their own computer/device (for example, because
      they do not have such a device or cannot afford to access the internet) and are not
      reasonably able to access an alternative internet access device in their area (for
      example, because of their personal circumstances, poor internet service in the area or
      lack of access to affordable internet access).
      59. Before issuing a Direction, you must also take into account whether the claimant can
      reasonably access a DWP IAD should they either not have reasonable access to the
      internet or should they wish to exercise their right not to accept cookies. You will need to
      take into account all of the claimant’s circumstances (for example, their health, any
      restrictions on their availability, whether they have childcare available) and the availability
      of IADs in your office. For example, if your office has:
       not yet installed any IADs; or
       a high number of claimants who need access to a DWP IAD. For example because they:
       do not have access to the internet; or
       are required to use UJ and wish to exercise their choices relating to cookies.
      60. All these considerations must be taken into account before deciding to issue a Jobseeker’s
      Direction. If one or more of the circumstances in the previous paragraphs apply and you
      deem it is unreasonable for the claimant to use Universal Jobmatch, you must:
       record why it is not reasonable to issue a Direction, for example, “Claimant not using
      Universal Jobmatch – English as a second language” or “Claimant not using Universal
      Jobmatch – does not wish to accept cookies and claimant has no reasonable access to
      an IAD” in the ‘Additional Notes’ field within the ‘More’ hotspot on LMS; and
       select the ‘Pilots’ Hotspot on LMS; (or where the ‘Pilots’ Hotspot is not shown, you will
      need to select the ‘New Initiative’ Hotspot and select ‘Pilots’ from the dropdown menu
      list); then from the next window find the ‘UJ Pilot Marker’ option; then select ‘No UJ
      account’ from the dropdown menu list and select the [Save] button.
      61. Both these actions are required so you do not keep asking the claimant each time they
      attend at the office.
      62. In cases where a direction is not reasonable you will need to review the claimant’s
      jobsearch activity using other means.
      63. However, where a claimant may not be required to use Universal Jobmatch but
      subsequently their circumstances change (for example, they move house to an area where
      there is a good broadband service and are able to afford internet access) you must take the
      action described in paragraphs 35 to 53 as appropriate.
      64. A Direction must not be issued to ‘credits only’ claimants because a referral to a Decision
      Maker for an ‘opinion only’ decision must not be made for ‘credits only’ claimants who
      refuse or fail to comply with a Jobseeker’s Direction.
      Action required if you consider a Jobseeker’s Direction is appropriate
      65. If you have decided that it would be reasonable to issue the claimant with a Jobseeker’s
      Direction, after taking into account the considerations tell the claimant they must create a
      UJ profile and public CV.
      Cookies Factsheet
      66. It is vital the Cookies factsheet is issued to the claimant so they are able to make a fully
      informed decision about their choices relating to cookies and you explain that they can use
      one of the IADs in the Jobcentre should they not wish to accept cookies on their own
      computer/device. The factsheet is available in English and Welsh.
      Recording the Direction on LMS
      67. You must record the Direction on LMS as follows:
       [Direction Reason] field: “Universal Jobmatch will improve the claimant’s prospects of
      finding work”
       [Details & Method of Achieving] field: “You will create a profile and public CV within
      Universal Jobmatch by –/–/–.”
      68. You must take the action described in paragraph 76 when setting the ‘by date’ in the
      Direction.
      Claimant says they do not want to accept cookies on their own computer/device
      69. In these cases you must also arrange a date and time for the claimant to use the IAD so
      they are able to carry out the direction. The amount of time you allow for a claimant to carry
      out the direction will vary and you must consider this on a case by case basis – i.e. some
      claimants may need 1 hour but others may need much longer (there is no specific time limit
      on this) and if so, a longer time slot to use the IAD must be arranged. Claimants are entitled
      to travel cost reimbursement for appointments outside their normal signing arrangements.
      Issuing the Jobseeker’s Direction letter and Cookies Factsheet
      70. You must:
       attach the Cookies factsheet to the Jobseeker’s Direction letter and give both to the
      claimant; and
       record in LMS Conversations “Cookies Factsheet issued.”
      What you must make clear to the claimant
      71. You will need to make sure the claimant understands how to register for a Government
      Gateway Account (this will not be necessary if the claimant tells you they already have a
      Government Gateway Account) and create a profile and public CV within Universal
      Jobmatch. Scenario 15 in Learning Product 05 contains full details on how a claimant
      creates a profile and Scenario 16 contains further details on how a claimant creates a
      public CV;
      NOTE: You may also issue the ‘How to Use Universal Jobmatch’ leaflet, which is available in
      English and Welsh if you think it will help the claimant understand how to register and login to
      their account. If so, you will need to select either the English or Welsh link in this paragraph
      and print the leaflet.
      72. You must also explain they will need to provide evidence that they have complied with the
      Direction. In doing so, explain that if they allow DWP to access their UJ account suggest
      that they only need to bring in the e-mail address they used to create their UJ profile and
      public CV as we will be able to check their account using these details. However, if the
      claimant does not wish to allow DWP access to their account (and this is their decision not
      ours) suggest this may take the form of:
       Prints of their CV screens/pages from their Universal Jobmatch account. However,
      this will not be possible for claimants who do not have access to a printer or cannot
      afford to print out copies of these pages; or
       Showing us these CV screens/pages from their Universal Jobmatch account if they
      have access to the internet on a smartphone. Districts will need to consider the
      guidance on Restricted Use of Electronic Media in Jobcentres although paragraph 7
      in this guidance enables offices to allow claimants to use their mobiles for this
      purpose.
      73. If it is not possible for the claimant to do any of the above, or the claimant does not wish to
      accept cookies and so needs to use a DWP IAD, advise the claimant that they can login to
      their UJ account from an available IAD in your office and print off the relevant CV
      screens/pages.
      74. However, the onus is on the claimant to provide evidence that they have created a profile
      and public CV by whatever means they choose.
      75. Therefore, if the claimant does not wish to do this, you will need to decide whether they
      have complied with the Direction based on the evidence they have provided.
      Setting the date by which the direction must be carried out
      76. You must take into account a claimant’s experience and ability to use the internet and
      access to the internet (in particular if they need to use an IAD) when setting the date by
      which the claimant must have carried out the direction. For example, more time will need to
      be given:
       for somebody who has very little or no experience of the internet because a referral to
      local provision on how to use on-line channels may be necessary; or
       where your office has a high number of claimants who need access to an IAD.
      Cancelling the Direction
      77. If the claimant contacts the Jobcentre before the date when the Direction must be carried
      out because they decided not to accept cookies on their computer/device and therefore
      wish to use an IAD in the Jobcentre to create a profile and public CV you must arrange a
      date and time for the claimant to use the IAD.
      78. However, if you cannot arrange this by the date on which the Direction must be carried out
      you must cancel the original Direction and issue a new Direction to the claimant which
      takes account of the new appointment date.
      79. If the claimant attends on their allocated day and time to carry out the Direction but
      subsequently cannot complete their profile and public CV within the time allowed on the
      IAD, then you must tell them to save their public CV in UJ by selecting the ‘Save for later’
      link at the bottom of the web page they have completed.
      80. You must then cancel the original Direction make a new IAD appointment and issue a new
      Direction to the claimant which takes account of the new appointment date.
      Following up the Direction
      81. The Direction will be followed up at the claimant’s next attendance at the Jobcentre after
      the date set in the Jobseeker’s Direction whether it is a jobsearch review or advisory
      interview.
      Claimant has created a profile and public CV in Universal Jobmatch and allowed
      DWP to access their account
      82. If the claimant created a profile and public CV in their Universal Jobmatch account and
      allowed DWP access, you will be able to check this by finding the claimant in the UJ
      application and logging into their account. You will then need to:
       record the Jobseeker’s UJ ID number in the ‘Additional Notes’ field within the ‘More’
      hotspot on LMS so you can easily and accurately access their UJ account in future; and
       select the ‘Pilots’ Hotspot on LMS; (or where the ‘Pilots’ Hotspot is not shown, you will
      need to select the ‘New Initiative’ Hotspot and select ‘Pilots’ from the dropdown menu
      list); then from the next window find the ‘UJ Pilot Marker’ option; then select ‘Man UJ –
      DWP access’ from the dropdown menu list and select the [Save] button. This is
      required so you do not keep asking the claimant each time they attend at the office.
      Claimant agrees to create a profile and public CV in Universal Jobmatch but has
      not allowed DWP to access their account
      83. If the claimant created a profile and public CV in their Universal Jobmatch account but has
      not allowed DWP access you will be able to check they have created a profile by finding the
      claimant in the UJ application.
      84. You will not be able to login to their account to check they have created a public CV – you
      will do this by looking at the evidence the claimant has provided by one of the methods in
      paragraphs 72 to 75. However, when you search for the claimant, in the UJ application it
      will tell you they have completed a profile and therefore has created an account because
      your search will open a page that returns a message which says, “User has not provided
      permissions to access account ”
      85. However, if the evidence provided by the claimant is insufficient and you are not completely
      satisfied they have created a profile and public CV, you must refer the doubt to a Decision
      Maker.
      86. If you are satisfied that the claimant has created a profile and public CV you will then need
      to select the ‘Pilots’ Hotspot on LMS; (or where the ‘Pilots’ Hotspot is not shown, you will
      need to select the ‘New Initiative’ Hotspot and select ‘Pilots’ from the dropdown menu list);
      then from the next window find the ‘UJ Pilot Marker’ option; then select ‘Man UJ – no
      access’ from the dropdown menu list and select the [Save] button. This is required so you
      do not keep asking the claimant each time they attend at the office.
      Agreeing how often the claimant will check their Universal Jobmatch account for
      jobs on the Jobseeker’s Agreement
      87. When the claimant has created a profile and public CV, you must also agree with them and
      record within the What I will do to identify and apply for jobs part of the Jobseeker’s
      Agreement how often the claimant will check their UJ account for jobs. In doing so, for
      those claimants using the DWP IAD, take into account all of their circumstances, including:
       the availability of IADs;
       the ability of the claimant to get into the Jobcentre on a regular basis (for example their
      childcare/caring responsibilities or other restrictions agreed on their Jobseeker’s
      Agreement. If the claimant has childcare responsibilities, you must make clear to the
      claimant that they do not need to make any extra childcare arrangements, i.e. they will
      only be required to use a DWP IAD during periods covered by existing childcare
      arrangements); and
       claimants are entitled to travel cost reimbursement for appointments outside their normal
      signing arrangements.

      Referral to a Decision Maker required
      88. If the claimant has not carried out the direction by the date they were required to do so or
      you are not satisfied from the evidence presented by the claimant that they have complied,
      the case must be referred to a Decision Maker selecting the ‘Refuse/Fail Jobseeker
      Direction (UJ)’ option from the drop down menu in LMS for AR Code JSA/718UJ.
      NOTE IMPORTANT: Before you make the referral, you must first check LMS Conversations to make
      sure that the Cookies Factsheet was recorded as issued. If this is not recorded, you cannot refer the doubt
      to the Decision Maker. Instead, you must cancel the original Direction and issue a new Direction to the
      claimant.

      Action required by Decision Maker
      89. The Decision Maker will make their decision in the usual way using DMAS AR Code
      JSA/718UJ.

      JSA Work Programme (WP) participants
      90. You must not mandate JSA WP participants to create a profile and public CV in Universal
      Jobmatch. This is because it is for WP Providers to determine and provide the support their
      participants need to find work including (where appropriate) mandatory requirements.
      Separate guidance is being prepared for WP Providers on the use of UJ.

      If you have any queries about this letter please contact me quoting the reference number
      above.
      Yours sincerely,

      DWP Central FOI Team

      DWP Central Freedom of Information Team
      Annex A

      e-mail: [email address].
      gov.uk

      Our Ref: VTR4024

      28 August 2013
      Annex A

      Jason Davies

      Dear Mr Davies,

      Thank you for your Freedom of Information request received on 23 August 2013. You asked

      “A3. Claimants will not be mandated to use IADs available in Jobcentre Plus offices and will,
      therefore, not be sanctioned if they refuse to use them. Use of IADs by claimants is
      voluntary.”

      Please provide the legislation and/or regulations which confirm that jobseekers cannot be
      mandated to use IADs in Jobcentres.

      Please also confirm that if a jobseeker exercises their right not to use an IAD in the
      Jobcentre that they would not be sanctioned if they also refuse to create and/or use a
      Universal Jobmatch account by way of the IAD.

      It may be helpful if I explain the role of the Freedom of Information Act. The Act provides a
      right of access to recorded information held by a public authority like DWP (subject to certain
      exemptions). The Act does not provide that a public authority must create new information to
      answer questions; nor does it provide that a public authority give advice, opinion or
      explanation in relation to issues/policies under question.

      In cases where a person asks a question, rather than request recorded information, we do
      our utmost to provide the recorded information that best answers the question. Once the
      public authority has provided the recorded information, it has met its obligations under the
      Act; interpretation of the information provided is left to the requestor.

      The recorded information we hold that best answers these questions is contained in
      paragraphs 54 to 90 in Chapter 03 of the Universal Jobmatch Toolkit which says:

      Issuing a Jobseeker’s Direction to mandate JSA claimants to create a profile and
      public CV in Universal Jobmatch
      54. Where you have explained the benefits to claimants of creating a profile and public CV in
      Universal Jobmatch and they will not do so willingly, they can be mandated to create a
      profile and public CV.
      55. However, for legal reasons, you cannot issue a Jobseeker’s Direction to mandate a
      claimant to create a profile and public CV unless a DWP IAD service is reasonably
      available to them should they need to use one – for example, because they do not want to
      accept cookies and therefore need to have access to a device on which cookies have
      already been accepted.
      56. You also cannot issue a Jobseeker’s Direction to mandate a claimant to give us access to
      their account – this is their decision not ours.
      What to consider before issuing a Direction
      57. The Jobseeker’s Direction guidance explains the factors that must be considered before a
      Jobseeker’s Direction is issued. In particular, a Jobseeker’s Direction mandating claimants
      to create a profile and public CV in Universal Jobmatch must be reasonable in terms of:
       improving the claimant’s employment prospects; and
       the claimant being able to use the service.
      58. For the majority of claimants, creating a profile and public CV in Universal Jobmatch will be
      an important part of improving employment prospects. However, actually creating a profile
      and public CV and using the service may be less than straightforward for some claimants if
      they are not reasonably able to use the service, for example those:
       with a learning or other health-related condition; or
       for whom English is their second language; or
       who lack appropriate literacy and/or numeracy skills; or
       who are not reasonably able to access their own computer/device (for example, because
      they do not have such a device or cannot afford to access the internet) and are not
      reasonably able to access an alternative internet access device in their area (for
      example, because of their personal circumstances, poor internet service in the area or
      lack of access to affordable internet access).
      59. Before issuing a Direction, you must also take into account whether the claimant can
      reasonably access a DWP IAD should they either not have reasonable access to the
      internet or should they wish to exercise their right not to accept cookies. You will need to
      take into account all of the claimant’s circumstances (for example, their health, any
      restrictions on their availability, whether they have childcare available) and the availability
      of IADs in your office. For example, if your office has:
       not yet installed any IADs; or
       a high number of claimants who need access to a DWP IAD. For example because they:
       do not have access to the internet; or
       are required to use UJ and wish to exercise their choices relating to cookies.
      60. All these considerations must be taken into account before deciding to issue a Jobseeker’s
      Direction. If one or more of the circumstances in the previous paragraphs apply and you
      deem it is unreasonable for the claimant to use Universal Jobmatch, you must:
       record why it is not reasonable to issue a Direction, for example, “Claimant not using
      Universal Jobmatch – English as a second language” or “Claimant not using Universal
      Jobmatch – does not wish to accept cookies and claimant has no reasonable access to
      an IAD” in the ‘Additional Notes’ field within the ‘More’ hotspot on LMS; and
       select the ‘Pilots’ Hotspot on LMS; (or where the ‘Pilots’ Hotspot is not shown, you will
      need to select the ‘New Initiative’ Hotspot and select ‘Pilots’ from the dropdown menu
      list); then from the next window find the ‘UJ Pilot Marker’ option; then select ‘No UJ
      account’ from the dropdown menu list and select the [Save] button.
      61. Both these actions are required so you do not keep asking the claimant each time they
      attend at the office.
      62. In cases where a direction is not reasonable you will need to review the claimant’s
      jobsearch activity using other means.
      63. However, where a claimant may not be required to use Universal Jobmatch but
      subsequently their circumstances change (for example, they move house to an area where
      there is a good broadband service and are able to afford internet access) you must take the
      action described in paragraphs 35 to 53 as appropriate.
      64. A Direction must not be issued to ‘credits only’ claimants because a referral to a Decision
      Maker for an ‘opinion only’ decision must not be made for ‘credits only’ claimants who
      refuse or fail to comply with a Jobseeker’s Direction.
      Action required if you consider a Jobseeker’s Direction is appropriate
      65. If you have decided that it would be reasonable to issue the claimant with a Jobseeker’s
      Direction, after taking into account the considerations tell the claimant they must create a
      UJ profile and public CV.
      Cookies Factsheet
      66. It is vital the Cookies factsheet is issued to the claimant so they are able to make a fully
      informed decision about their choices relating to cookies and you explain that they can use
      one of the IADs in the Jobcentre should they not wish to accept cookies on their own
      computer/device. The factsheet is available in English and Welsh.
      Recording the Direction on LMS
      67. You must record the Direction on LMS as follows:
       [Direction Reason] field: “Universal Jobmatch will improve the claimant’s prospects of
      finding work”
       [Details & Method of Achieving] field: “You will create a profile and public CV within
      Universal Jobmatch by –/–/–.”
      68. You must take the action described in paragraph 76 when setting the ‘by date’ in the
      Direction.
      Claimant says they do not want to accept cookies on their own computer/device
      69. In these cases you must also arrange a date and time for the claimant to use the IAD so
      they are able to carry out the direction. The amount of time you allow for a claimant to carry
      out the direction will vary and you must consider this on a case by case basis – i.e. some
      claimants may need 1 hour but others may need much longer (there is no specific time limit
      on this) and if so, a longer time slot to use the IAD must be arranged. Claimants are entitled
      to travel cost reimbursement for appointments outside their normal signing arrangements.
      Issuing the Jobseeker’s Direction letter and Cookies Factsheet
      70. You must:
       attach the Cookies factsheet to the Jobseeker’s Direction letter and give both to the
      claimant; and
       record in LMS Conversations “Cookies Factsheet issued.”
      What you must make clear to the claimant
      71. You will need to make sure the claimant understands how to register for a Government
      Gateway Account (this will not be necessary if the claimant tells you they already have a
      Government Gateway Account) and create a profile and public CV within Universal
      Jobmatch. Scenario 15 in Learning Product 05 contains full details on how a claimant
      creates a profile and Scenario 16 contains further details on how a claimant creates a
      public CV;
      NOTE: You may also issue the ‘How to Use Universal Jobmatch’ leaflet, which is available in
      English and Welsh if you think it will help the claimant understand how to register and login to
      their account. If so, you will need to select either the English or Welsh link in this paragraph
      and print the leaflet.
      72. You must also explain they will need to provide evidence that they have complied with the
      Direction. In doing so, explain that if they allow DWP to access their UJ account suggest
      that they only need to bring in the e-mail address they used to create their UJ profile and
      public CV as we will be able to check their account using these details. However, if the
      claimant does not wish to allow DWP access to their account (and this is their decision not
      ours) suggest this may take the form of:
       Prints of their CV screens/pages from their Universal Jobmatch account. However,
      this will not be possible for claimants who do not have access to a printer or cannot
      afford to print out copies of these pages; or
       Showing us these CV screens/pages from their Universal Jobmatch account if they
      have access to the internet on a smartphone. Districts will need to consider the
      guidance on Restricted Use of Electronic Media in Jobcentres although paragraph 7
      in this guidance enables offices to allow claimants to use their mobiles for this
      purpose.
      73. If it is not possible for the claimant to do any of the above, or the claimant does not wish to
      accept cookies and so needs to use a DWP IAD, advise the claimant that they can login to
      their UJ account from an available IAD in your office and print off the relevant CV
      screens/pages.
      74. However, the onus is on the claimant to provide evidence that they have created a profile
      and public CV by whatever means they choose.
      75. Therefore, if the claimant does not wish to do this, you will need to decide whether they
      have complied with the Direction based on the evidence they have provided.
      Setting the date by which the direction must be carried out
      76. You must take into account a claimant’s experience and ability to use the internet and
      access to the internet (in particular if they need to use an IAD) when setting the date by
      which the claimant must have carried out the direction. For example, more time will need to
      be given:
       for somebody who has very little or no experience of the internet because a referral to
      local provision on how to use on-line channels may be necessary; or
       where your office has a high number of claimants who need access to an IAD.
      Cancelling the Direction
      77. If the claimant contacts the Jobcentre before the date when the Direction must be carried
      out because they decided not to accept cookies on their computer/device and therefore
      wish to use an IAD in the Jobcentre to create a profile and public CV you must arrange a
      date and time for the claimant to use the IAD.
      78. However, if you cannot arrange this by the date on which the Direction must be carried out
      you must cancel the original Direction and issue a new Direction to the claimant which
      takes account of the new appointment date.
      79. If the claimant attends on their allocated day and time to carry out the Direction but
      subsequently cannot complete their profile and public CV within the time allowed on the
      IAD, then you must tell them to save their public CV in UJ by selecting the ‘Save for later’
      link at the bottom of the web page they have completed.
      80. You must then cancel the original Direction make a new IAD appointment and issue a new
      Direction to the claimant which takes account of the new appointment date.
      Following up the Direction
      81. The Direction will be followed up at the claimant’s next attendance at the Jobcentre after
      the date set in the Jobseeker’s Direction whether it is a jobsearch review or advisory
      interview.
      Claimant has created a profile and public CV in Universal Jobmatch and allowed
      DWP to access their account
      82. If the claimant created a profile and public CV in their Universal Jobmatch account and
      allowed DWP access, you will be able to check this by finding the claimant in the UJ
      application and logging into their account. You will then need to:
       record the Jobseeker’s UJ ID number in the ‘Additional Notes’ field within the ‘More’
      hotspot on LMS so you can easily and accurately access their UJ account in future; and
       select the ‘Pilots’ Hotspot on LMS; (or where the ‘Pilots’ Hotspot is not shown, you will
      need to select the ‘New Initiative’ Hotspot and select ‘Pilots’ from the dropdown menu
      list); then from the next window find the ‘UJ Pilot Marker’ option; then select ‘Man UJ –
      DWP access’ from the dropdown menu list and select the [Save] button. This is
      required so you do not keep asking the claimant each time they attend at the office.
      Claimant agrees to create a profile and public CV in Universal Jobmatch but has
      not allowed DWP to access their account
      83. If the claimant created a profile and public CV in their Universal Jobmatch account but has
      not allowed DWP access you will be able to check they have created a profile by finding the
      claimant in the UJ application.
      84. You will not be able to login to their account to check they have created a public CV – you
      will do this by looking at the evidence the claimant has provided by one of the methods in
      paragraphs 72 to 75. However, when you search for the claimant, in the UJ application it
      will tell you they have completed a profile and therefore has created an account because
      your search will open a page that returns a message which says, “User has not provided
      permissions to access account ”
      85. However, if the evidence provided by the claimant is insufficient and you are not completely
      satisfied they have created a profile and public CV, you must refer the doubt to a Decision
      Maker.
      86. If you are satisfied that the claimant has created a profile and public CV you will then need
      to select the ‘Pilots’ Hotspot on LMS; (or where the ‘Pilots’ Hotspot is not shown, you will
      need to select the ‘New Initiative’ Hotspot and select ‘Pilots’ from the dropdown menu list);
      then from the next window find the ‘UJ Pilot Marker’ option; then select ‘Man UJ – no
      access’ from the dropdown menu list and select the [Save] button. This is required so you
      do not keep asking the claimant each time they attend at the office.
      Agreeing how often the claimant will check their Universal Jobmatch account for
      jobs on the Jobseeker’s Agreement
      87. When the claimant has created a profile and public CV, you must also agree with them and
      record within the What I will do to identify and apply for jobs part of the Jobseeker’s
      Agreement how often the claimant will check their UJ account for jobs. In doing so, for
      those claimants using the DWP IAD, take into account all of their circumstances, including:
       the availability of IADs;
       the ability of the claimant to get into the Jobcentre on a regular basis (for example their
      childcare/caring responsibilities or other restrictions agreed on their Jobseeker’s
      Agreement. If the claimant has childcare responsibilities, you must make clear to the
      claimant that they do not need to make any extra childcare arrangements, i.e. they will
      only be required to use a DWP IAD during periods covered by existing childcare
      arrangements); and
       claimants are entitled to travel cost reimbursement for appointments outside their normal
      signing arrangements.

      Referral to a Decision Maker required
      88. If the claimant has not carried out the direction by the date they were required to do so or
      you are not satisfied from the evidence presented by the claimant that they have complied,
      the case must be referred to a Decision Maker selecting the ‘Refuse/Fail Jobseeker
      Direction (UJ)’ option from the drop down menu in LMS for AR Code JSA/718UJ.
      NOTE IMPORTANT: Before you make the referral, you must first check LMS Conversations to make
      sure that the Cookies Factsheet was recorded as issued. If this is not recorded, you cannot refer the doubt
      to the Decision Maker. Instead, you must cancel the original Direction and issue a new Direction to the
      claimant.

      Action required by Decision Maker
      89. The Decision Maker will make their decision in the usual way using DMAS AR Code
      JSA/718UJ.

      JSA Work Programme (WP) participants
      90. You must not mandate JSA WP participants to create a profile and public CV in Universal
      Jobmatch. This is because it is for WP Providers to determine and provide the support their
      participants need to find work including (where appropriate) mandatory requirements.
      Separate guidance is being prepared for WP Providers on the use of UJ.

      If you have any queries about this letter please contact me quoting the reference number
      above.
      Yours sincerely,

      DWP Central FOI Team

      Oneman

      September 2, 2013 at 11:56 pm

  46. wayne :
    I’ve taken me own advice I now do not claim not cause of sanction I now am self employed may be you should tale advice and get a job use some energy you use on here not to work then may be you will find work and not have to result in finding ways not to work good luck in job search

    According to your post wayne dated August 29, 2013 at 10:40 am | #6 you stated I quote ” HENCE ME NOW OFF FOR YEAR FOR REFUSING DWP ACCESS TO MY ACCOUNT”, pay close attention to your choice of word NOW meaning present and dated August 29, 2013 at 9:48 am | #64 you said I quote “NOW IS FIFTY TWO WEEKS” so again notice your use of NOW again.

    With out pulling up all the posts you’ve also player hated JCP for their actions yet are now indirectly instructing people to obey DWP, get a job and that we are all lazy, don’t want to work, blar, blar, blar.

    You cant be sanctioned now and now be self employed but you could have been sanctioned or was and am now self employed. You see the words WAS and NOW are simple words for the brain (anyones brains and this is cognitive function) to remember so are seldom used in vain or by mistake, especially twice in a row unless of course you have a mental illness or are creating something from the mind then its to be expected. And in the above post quoted that im applying to you didn’t seem to have a problem using now there did you. Your spelling outs but its a smart phone and its not like you cant make out what your saying but your sentence construction hasn’t appeared to waver in regards of terms such as pre and post.

    Now I could be a visitor out of time but by my count you could have only been self employed for 5 days now unless you wish to admit you lied in your previous posts by falsely using the word now and if so what else could you have or are lying about.

    No offence wayne but the more you talk the less creditable you sound.

    gaia

    September 2, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    • Gaia.

      Do not pander to wayne wims. he/she obviously has mental issues and is not 100% sure of its sexuality combined with basic literacy problems. Its just a drink or drug fueled rant, thing.

      Leave it until tomorrow and if it comes back sane? we will talk with it then. We can all forgive a one off and even two!

      (unless its IDS)

      P.S. do we all look good in green ( i’m posh and olive )

      Oneman

      September 3, 2013 at 12:10 am

      • “Oneman”, u r good. “Wayne whims”, I am prepared to wait for the DVD (all publishing rights reserved)

        Windmill1

        September 3, 2013 at 12:27 am

      • Im glad this waynes got a job, and I wonder though is it this self employment scheme ran by the government where you I believe are paid working tax credit or something like that as that’s a ploy just so that the ex claimant doesn’t show up on the unemployed count. Don’t get me wrong, I saw people in WP when I was their starting it and if you can get it going (starting a business) then the have achieved a lot as being your own boss with your own company is the life, well up untill your tax returns anyway.

        gaia

        September 3, 2013 at 7:10 am

  47. Windmill1 :
    “Oneman”, u r good. “Wayne whims”, I am prepared to wait for the DVD (all publishing rights reserved)

    You are welcome Windymiller1.

    Just wish i had the camera to film it.

    I do apologize again about the long post i put on. I did not know it would take that much space up and i did not have links. Sorry.

    The good thing is it tells you everything you want to know and is up to date.( even if it is a long search through. The info is there for you, if you want it and i recommend you read it.
    Sorry for it being so long again. Cut and paste it/use what you need and make it count.

    Kind regards

    Oneman

    Oneman

    September 3, 2013 at 1:04 am

  48. Oneman :

    Gaia.
    Do not pander to wayne wims. he/she obviously has mental issues and is not 100% sure of its sexuality combined with basic literacy problems. Its just a drink or drug fueled rant, thing.
    Leave it until tomorrow and if it comes back sane? we will talk with it then. We can all forgive a one off and even two!
    (unless its IDS)
    P.S. do we all look good in green ( i’m posh and olive )

    please take a look at http://unemploymentmovement.com.

    I’m sure you all know about it, from before, on here. If not take a look and learn

    Oneman

    September 3, 2013 at 1:08 am

  49. wayne :
    LISTEN INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR WAYS NOT TO WORK YOU SAD LITTLE MAN TRY USING THEM TWO BRAIN CELLS YOU HAVE AND SAME ENERGY YOU USE TO GET OUT WORKING THEN YOU WILL BE IN WORK AS I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE SEEN SO MANY PEOPLE WANTING WAYS TO BEAT THE DWP I TELL YOU HOW TO BEAT THEM USE SUM THAT ENERGY YOU GAVE IN YOUR GOB LOOKING FOR WORK AS YOU GOT TO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS LOOKING FOR WAYS HOW TO BEAT THE SYSTEM THE WAY TO BEAT SYSTEM IS GET A JOB YOU LAZY BARSTARD WASTE SPACE MORON GET A JOB NOT USE IT TRYING FIND WAYS NOT TO WORK YOU LAZY NO GOOD TWAT NOW DO US A FAVOUR FCK OFF YOU LAZY BARSTARD

    This forum is not about sharing ideas on job-dodging. It helps jobseekers to avoid being sanctioned while they are job-seeking. A culture of sanctioning exists, and continues to exist at the Jobcentre. I refer you to this link.

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/mar/21/jobcentre-set-targets-benefit-sanctions

    The Helping Hand

    September 3, 2013 at 6:46 am

    • I do get that loud and clear but if people on here used the energy they use trying dodge ways beating the system and used it looking for work they would have jobs as lot people on here not all got nothing better to do than sit on here all day looking for ways not to work when in fact they should use that energy looking for work as they think its bad now wait till you got do 35 hour a week job search and excuse me is it worth all the hassle for £71.50 a week I say not

      wayne

      September 3, 2013 at 7:19 am

      • Your right wayne, that’s why ontop of trying to get work ive been hunting 12 hour or less nat min jobs aswell just so I don’t have listen to their crap as like I said im not interested in the money they hand out but they claim in order for me to be in receipt of benefit I have to except payments when all I want is to be listed as unemployed, hell I will even pay the stamp for them. This is how I know DWP is full of crap as everytime I remind them that I don’t want the money, keep the money or state you can sanction me if you like as I don’t want the money so am happy for the full three years lack of payment, their lost, literally the life drains out of them so I can only imagine their not use to not being in control and having useless weaponary against claimants such as me.

        On average and no I don’t put this all in my evidence I find and apply for dependant on day and year 20 to 30 jobs a day through a program I had designed for me as well im a busy man so don’t have allday for just one subject matter. But even when without, showing willing that I can do it manually still average 10 to 20 a day. Now as regards my evidence I don’t even consider that part of my personal jobsearch so gave it the practice of give a dog a bone.

        Basically at random times I will select data and enter it into evidence. Generally I always give them double of what they ask and yes every single job is applied to and my weekly points are currently around 20 25 (sorry agreement not close to hand) so as an average they get around 40 pieces of jobsearch evidence every week on time every time. Ive been currently unemployed since on DWP/JCP record since Dec 2012 so have been currently unemployed for around 8 to 9 months so not even longterm yet. Now you might wonder how WP fits in, well I attended that for around a year and bit before securing work which may I add had nothing to do with WP efforts or systems yet the cheeky gits still tried to get paid for it and I nailed them on a DPA breach so ordered them to destroy my records or retain them from all staff to the legal allowed time of retention has passed. They so hated that but hey its the law.

        Im treated as longterm as they keep trying to tie my previous time in but as I pointed out to them that I had a period where I didn’t claim for in excess of six months meaning fresh claim under their guide lines and that’s exactly what I was asked to fill in when I did sign on so proof in the pudding I thought. Instead it enrages them further so I am now constantly hounded everytime I sign on lately, I knew I spoke to soon when I said my experience of trailblazer has started off well.

        gaia

        September 3, 2013 at 11:51 am

  50. The plan is I hope as they started this wayne to get one of these 12 or less jobs as it still means I can sign on. Now I know regardless of job im under their rules suppose to look for work until I secure 35 hours except im not going to. Infact other than can you sign and date this please (your declaration) I intend to completely ignore them, maybe look at the sealing, who knows then say SO WHAT YOU GOING TO SANCTION THEN EXACTLY AS IVE CANCELLED OUT THE PAYMENT SO YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO STOP, OH SO SORRY THAT YOUR THREATS HAVE COME TO NOTHING.

    I will so enjoy it if it comes before my proper work as they deserve all they get I reckon what with being liars and cheats.

    gaia

    September 3, 2013 at 12:06 pm

  51. According to the rules so do double check but regarding cookie laws (the actual regulation) its not the owner of the computer that decides the use of cookies but the operator so in theory even if they could mandate you to use an IAD they CANT mandate or sanction you if you still refuse to except cookies. I say this as its often more effective to addressing them with actual laws than their guidelines where possible.

    The biggest crunch they have is a data holders right under DPA to control the flow of their personal and or sensitive data in respect to second and especially third parties and lets not forget article 8 of the human rights act in regards to Right to respect for private and family life.
    Theirs also although im still working on it a law stipulating when, where and how your government can track you.

    The DPA one is an absolute thorn with regards this UJ as it hammers it all over the place as well theirs a lot of personal and or sensitive data involved isn’t their. Please remember that this right can be enacted and or changed anytime you want so even if you currently have a UJ account you can impose this law after surrending personal and sensitive data although in this case you must inform them in writing I believe.

    Now if you haven’t got a UJ account yet you can do so verbal but only before submitting the personal and or sensitive data. For instance you could state that during the registration you intend to impose your right to control so will be leaving out any data that may under definition of law be deemed as personal and or sensitive and as the software doesn’t allow empty spaces will have to fill them in with random words so the page can proceed.
    The same goes for the profile and your CV, like I said anything personal and or sensitive.
    Now interestingly on your CV you could be indentified from the companies you worked for over time so company names are also to be considered personal data.

    The definition of personal data under law is any two pieces of data that can be used to identify the holder (namely you).

    Do remember though they will retaliate by trying to find a way to have you for diminishing your chances of finding work by stating crap like thats not a CV if you remove your name and address. A CV is about who you are and what you employment and or education wise have done over time, it has nothing to do with where you live or what your name is in full so you could quite legally put a first name then either a email address or phone number if you choose to and this is sufficient enough for contact purposes. Do cover your basis as it appears their trying to use one trick after another to get you so in the profile where it says your usual profession put a word relating to your profession that isn’t used in todays society as then its not dimishing your chances as its not personal data but it does stop one of their datasets that’s used to fill your suggested job area along with your CV and jobsearch if done through the account.

    As you know already you don’t have to apply through UJ, your free to ring up or if lucky will already be presented on the ad with a contact address. This again is a dataset used to fill the suggest jobs area.

    Lastly with CVs its easily possible to protect them so in the case of a dataset placing a text (best white text but doesn’t matter as theirs no set standard as to what constitutes whats what on a CV) symbol between each and every word or even between each word or both.
    An easier way is just to use a program that protects the document like PDF REDIRECT PLUS as even though what your doing is perfectly legal and in a format the site prescribes it wont load up on account of the legally protective data controls in place. I have informed JCP but as yet they have no snappy comeback.

    gaia

    September 3, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    • WOULD IT NOT BE EASIER DO PART TIME AND AT LEAST THEN YOU WON’T HAVE THE HASSLE YOU DO NOW OFF DWP

      wayne

      September 3, 2013 at 1:18 pm

      • Im going to take it wayne that you just mean do the job and not bother with them. Im sorry but all bullies must be punished but like I said theirs no guarantee the more hours ones don’t come first so I will have to see how the cards fall.

        I don’t mind admitting that i never use to tell anyone of this stuff I know but now I don’t care if your a grafter who looks for a job or a career benefit drawer on the skank, im offering to all until DWP decide to apologise and stop hounding me which we both know is never going to happen so let the game commence I say.

        gaia

        September 3, 2013 at 2:02 pm

  52. wayne :
    I do get that loud and clear but if people on here used the energy they use trying dodge ways beating the system and used it looking for work they would have jobs as lot people on here not all got nothing better to do than sit on here all day looking for ways not to work when in fact they should use that energy looking for work as they think its bad now wait till you got do 35 hour a week job search and excuse me is it worth all the hassle for £71.50 a week I say not

    You don’t get anything. To recap on what I said earlier, we are not trying to beat the system. We are trying to avoid being sanctioned while we are job-seeking.

    Is there a Waynetta?

    The Helping Hand

    September 3, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    • NO WAYNETTA AND RUDENESS ONLY SHOWS HOW SMALL YOU ARE YOU SAD LITTLE MAN GET A JOB AND THEN YOU WON’T HAVE TOO SPEND HALF YOUR LIFE WORRYING ABOUT GETTING SANCTIONED AND PUTTING PRESSURE ON. YOUR SAD HEART LATRZ I GOT A JOB TO GO TO AS AM SELF EMPLOYED AND CAN’T WASTE HALF ME LIFE TRYING BEAT A SYSTEM THAT IN END ALL WAYS WINS AND WILL WHEN UNIVERSAL SWALLOWS YOU ALL UP

      wayne

      September 3, 2013 at 1:55 pm

  53. Hey all, not sure if its been outed yet but under this new UC if you apply for it online part of the set up is gateway so anyone finding themselves signing on for the first time once in do so over the phone or if available in paperwork. Their still try it on while on the phone so do ask first what the process entails so as to assert your rights under DPA. Basically the online application as yet makes no allowance for incorporating peoples selective rights under law so can only be opposed after the fact meaning I suspect DWP will try and jump behind section 3 of the SSA but don’t quote me on that point just yet but don’t forget it either just incase.

    gaia

    September 3, 2013 at 2:13 pm

  54. wayne :
    NO WAYNETTA AND RUDENESS ONLY SHOWS HOW SMALL YOU ARE YOU SAD LITTLE MAN GET A JOB AND THEN YOU WON’T HAVE TOO SPEND HALF YOUR LIFE WORRYING ABOUT GETTING SANCTIONED AND PUTTING PRESSURE ON. YOUR SAD HEART LATRZ I GOT A JOB TO GO TO AS AM SELF EMPLOYED AND CAN’T WASTE HALF ME LIFE TRYING BEAT A SYSTEM THAT IN END ALL WAYS WINS AND WILL WHEN UNIVERSAL SWALLOWS YOU ALL UP

    Sighs. Once again, people on this forum are not trying to beat the system. We are trying to avoid being sanctioned while job-seeking. It’s that simple.

    No Waynetta, eh! Hmm, no surprises there. I’m guessing in your case it’s either Rosie Palm and her five sisters or one of those inflateable dolls.

    Psst: ALL WAYS is spelt always. You cretin.

    The Helping Hand

    September 3, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    • “Helping Hand”. brilliant

      Windmill1

      September 3, 2013 at 4:23 pm

      • Listen wanker I’ve got girlfriend unlike your self who takes it up the ARSE try using all that energy you have trying to avoid getting sanctioned put it all into looking for work as you got to much time on Your hands as you on here all day and obviously not looking.g for work is your rent boy stuck up wile you on here GET A JOB LAZY BARSTARD

        wayne

        September 3, 2013 at 4:47 pm

      • We are in “Wayne’s World” again. Just for interest I am twice divorced and have 3 grown up children. The fact u can’t spell bastard concerns me. This has been pointed out by other correspondents. They tried their best. I gave you free tax advice if you are going self employed.

        But you are good value and still evolving

        Windmill1

        September 3, 2013 at 5:42 pm

      • NOT SURPRISED YOU BEEN DUMPED TWICE WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO OFFER AND HIDING ON HERE BEHIND YOUR FALSE NAME SAYS IT ALL DON’T IT MAN UP GET A JOB AND WHY THE FUCK WOULD I TAKE ADVICE OFF YOU ON TAX MATTERS / I DEAL WITH THEM WITH MY ACCOUNTANT AND AS FOR MY WORDING OF BARSTARD IS ONLY TO GET YOU GOING I KNOW IT’S BASTARD BASTARD LATRZ YOU BORING ME LIKE YOU MUST OF YOUR TWO WIFES BASTARD

        wayne

        September 3, 2013 at 6:01 pm

  55. wayne :
    Listen wanker I’ve got girlfriend unlike your self who takes it up the ARSE try using all that energy you have trying to avoid getting sanctioned put it all into looking for work as you got to much time on Your hands as you on here all day and obviously not looking.g for work is your rent boy stuck up wile you on here GET A JOB LAZY BARSTARD

    You’re absolutely right. I don’t have a girlfriend. And I don’t have a girlfriend because I’m a practising homosexual. I have a civil partner called Tarquin, and he’s a real sweety. I don’t take it up the arse, though. Tarquin does that; he’s the wife.

    In a previous posting you said you have job. What is it you do exactly? Tarquin thinks the only job you have is hanging on to a can of Special Brew so it doesn’t fly off.

    Oh and Tarquin says: BARSTARD is spelt bastard. But you’ve been told that before.

    The Helping Hand

    September 3, 2013 at 5:57 pm

  56. Windmill1 :
    We are in “Wayne’s World” again. Just for interest I am twice divorced and have 3 grown up children. The fact u can’t spell bastard concerns me. This has been pointed out by other correspondents. They tried their best. I gave you free tax advice if you are going self employed.
    But you are good value and still evolving

    Spot on Windmill. When it comes to entertainment, Wayne and people like him are always good value for money. He’s definitely a work in progress.

    The Helping Hand

    September 3, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    • I can never understand why people lash out at people on the net, its the virtual, it doesn’t exist so what is it that the individual hopes to gain. Anyone can call me what they want online as AND WHAT and that’s exactly the point. Its not like punching or kicking, its painless, completely painless.

      STICKS AND STONES MAY BREAK MY BONES BUT NAMES WILL NEVER HURT ME

      This is what we were taught when I was a kid yet you never hear it today but its point none the less is perfectly true is it not. Is it not a concussion of air when in the street and mere black and white online. Ive been into computers and the net since the beginning so ive had the luxury of watching it develop. I could and im sorry wayne but I could overlay a few of your responses on other peoples posts on others sites and other topics and see the same stereo typical pattern from catalyst to flowering.
      Wayne although I think it was a post to someone else but I did say you might get laballed as a troll, well judging by the posts above I think its official.
      If you don’t know how it works wayne is now anyone here regularly or visiting has put you in a cage like an animal, thousands are now pocking fun at you, must will never even speak to you or post. Sure you could comeback under a new name but your pattern will give you away but eventually your exhaust the IP addresses available to you unless you have IT OS and network skills which from one of your posts in connection to a comment on smart phones you are obviously not. Either way wayne im sure its not giving you the result you might be hoping for and never does for trolls im afraid.

      One last thing, believe it or not and your all like this one, if someone is offended by a swear word online let alone gay references and that it continues to another post that that is grounds to have you arrested as though you swore in the real world where pain and suffering can be felt. Gone are the days when you can say what you want online. So lets say this is the case wayne, the police will first contact the hoster server company who will give then access to this site where they will lift your IP. Next they will approach your IP provider who will give them your address but even if not theirs a lovely bit of software that allows you to track IPs to within 6 foot of transmission and yes the police have this. Either way they get you.

      So I suppose the question is, IS IT WORTH IT, WORTH THE RISK ?

      gaia

      September 4, 2013 at 8:22 am

      • PHONE NOT REGISTERED TO ME IT’S NOT MY REAL NAME SO CLEVER CLOGS HOW THEY GOING DO THAT THAT THEN YOU IDOT

        wayne

        September 4, 2013 at 8:42 am

  57. wayne :
    PHONE NOT REGISTERED TO ME IT’S NOT MY REAL NAME SO CLEVER CLOGS HOW THEY GOING DO THAT THAT THEN YOU IDOT

    Ah, the Kraken Wakes!

    Oh and IDOT is spelt idiot.

    The Helping Hand

    September 4, 2013 at 8:48 am

    • DO YOU NOT REALIZE YOU FOOL AS YOU HAVE ME DOWN AS AN FOOL I’M ACTING THAT PART IE BARSTARD IDOT WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT THEY A WRONG LOOK ON TELLLY TXT BBC ONE YOU FOI.G BE WORKING FOR YOUR BENEFIT SO YOU WON’T HAVE TIME TO BE ON HERE AND ABOUT TIME I SAY IT ROOT OUT THE LAZY ONES

      wayne

      September 4, 2013 at 8:54 am

  58. wayne :
    DO YOU NOT REALIZE YOU FOOL AS YOU HAVE ME DOWN AS AN FOOL I’M ACTING THAT PART IE BARSTARD IDOT WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT THEY A WRONG LOOK ON TELLLY TXT BBC ONE YOU FOI.G BE WORKING FOR YOUR BENEFIT SO YOU WON’T HAVE TIME TO BE ON HERE AND ABOUT TIME I SAY IT ROOT OUT THE LAZY ONES

    I will always have time for you my dear, no matter what.

    The Helping Hand

    September 4, 2013 at 9:01 am

  59. I have been stand been standing my ground, I only left when he did start calling the police. This manager here refused to my face and in front of other staff to allow me to see another manager or even make an appointment to see another manager from a different office and I trying to make a complaint about abuse of authority about him.

    They just insist I put my complaint in writing which due to having no feeling in several fingers of my writing hand and other memory problems due to health which they are allready aware off is difficult.

    I have to deal with this office even though I am on esa as the call centre won’t talk to me as they have screwed my information up and can’t pass validation. They then refuse to talk to me or put me through to someone who can fix it citing the DPA. Every time I had to give them a sick note even with plenty of advance leeway I wouldn’t get paid leaving me without food,light or electricity over the weekend.

    When a complaint is made to another Manager in this office , they stall by saying they don’t have enough. Info repeatedly and then send you a boiler plate letter that dosn ‘t answer any questions raised in the complaint, only parrots back to you what you wrote like they teach on customer care course.

    If you then complain about the lack of information, they refer it to 1st teir who rinse and repeat and then tell you to take it to ice.

    I have all this in writing and much of it recorded. They don’t care never have I been asked for the transcripts in an ‘investigation’ . My complaint of maladministration against them seems to have been quietly ignored.

    This has been going on since 2011 and I haven’t even yet been able to speak/make a complaint to any one from the regional office. The last incident stopping my money triggered a medically defined breakdown and I can’t keep fighting much longer as they are killing me.

    They are corrupt to the core and know they cannot held to account due to noone having the resources to resort to the courts.

    Sorry for the long rant but I wanted to show i have tried to stand up to them.

    May your experience be better than mine

    growls

    September 4, 2013 at 9:07 am

    • Ok growls the first stage of their formal complaint procedure starts with that office. now the chances are this manager deals with the complaints ( go in only to reception and ask simply and kindly this, “im sorry to bother you but could you tell me who I address my complaint to, do I put Mr (put this guys name) on it or is it someone else if your allowed in the building that is or just put the claim in and wait for the return and look at the signature.

      Basically if it is its called a conflict of interest as the complaint is about this individual in question so would infact legally be biased. Get your area managers address and send it to them, that’s what I do but do highlight the point I made about conflict of interest. I know it works as that’s exactly what I do, my area manager is sick and tired of me but cant get around the legal aspects so has to acknowledge it.

      As for if your details are wrong simply put an FOI in on what they hold on you as regards data as you believe it to be incorrect, that’s the standard practice bad hand or not im afraid but when they said writing only theirs nothing stopping you typing it out on a piece of paper and attaching it to the complaint.

      Now I don’t know how you present yourself as im not there but the game is to be humble as while your their their always looking for an excuse to say you were abusive or aggressive which if they can you would then be sent to another office with glass shields and crap if their is one. So don’t stand to close, no waving of arms, not even stating their incompetent as you wouldn’t believe the crap they reckon constitutes as abuse and or aggressive behaviour if and only if you didn’t know.

      As for getting this manager for abuse, that’s a hard one as first they must lie, then must lie again to cover it up so this route is a hard one to prove as once so makes it possible to have this manager arrested criminally as well DWP wont ever perjure themselves so will hang him or her out to dry. So good luck, this a tuffy and a long one two as you wont get any joy until you hit either your local MP or ombudsman.

      Have they paid you as if they haven’t you could go to CAB, DWP hate it when solicitors get involved and you always ive noticed after it get brand new advisors now isn’t that odd.

      FOOTNOTE: On this post WP your suppose to get a personal advisor but todate I keep getting a different crowd so, so much for one to one, See how they abuse that particular claim?

      I take it this is all about your recordings or is it something new ?

      gaia

      September 4, 2013 at 12:38 pm

  60. Hey all, heres a link to a story on the BBC that might be another new page hear later.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23954877

    Clearly this The Taxpayers’ Alliance haven’t done their homework as your sanctioned already and all the things they prescribed have already happened under both labour and conservative governments.

    The thing I like as this lot campaign for lower tax is every time you do these things they aren’t for free meaning more tax money spent running and regulating them meaning even less chance of less taxes. Had they done their homework they’d know that actually if I take last years figures on welfare 117billion that only 11billion actually formed the benefit you actually get in your hand for unemployment and housing. Most of the money is wasted on all these peters and pauls who’s job is to take your taxes to administering it.

    Government and these don’t think first organisations don’t want to talk about where has all this 106 billion gone on Social exclusion (23.8 billion) and Social protection (56 billion) which by the way have gone up this year unlike unemployment, housing and family and children which has lowered. Currently the welfare bill this year is 115.2 billion so what happened to this 10.5 billion saving as all I see is less than 2 billion and the year isn’t either over yet so despite cuts like the economy the welfare bill has flatlined to. This government through every piece of crap they have welded all have flatlined. Don’t get me wrong as that means we loan less but it must be faced that this government couldn’t stave the effects of a global crash anymore than labour did.

    Now prove me wrong as it may well exist but the news todate also haven’t covered this fact and figures.

    gaia

    September 4, 2013 at 9:35 am

  61. Here’s the link for the report: Work for the Dole. What it doesn’t say is how much it will actually cost to administer. It’s the usual nonsense so beloved of the Daily Mail.

    http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/workforthedole.pdf

    The Helping Hand

    September 4, 2013 at 9:43 am

  62. wayne :
    PHONE NOT REGISTERED TO ME IT’S NOT MY REAL NAME SO CLEVER CLOGS HOW THEY GOING DO THAT THAT THEN YOU IDOT

    Well if you were paying attention I said theres software developed by google that will track an IP irrespective to who owns it to within 6 ft of transmission meaning their tracking the device at point of transmission, ie when your posting silly. So then when they if they choose to walk up on you in the street or where ever while your doing it as your phone cant hop IPs. How do you then explain to them that it wasn’t you wayne as its open and shut. I can give you a link to a hackers convention if you don’t believe it where you can hear it for yourself. I have a good one where this pi gives a challenge out to anyone and I mean anyone to evade him, I tell you it was so embarrassing how easy he did it and not once to.

    So is that clever enough wayne as im all about security myself and know how easy it is to track something on the net, especially when its todays not technically minded end users which is practical 95% of the planets internet users. Sure you can email or use MS office but after that your all lost if for instance I say lets talk about the latency of OCZs latest RAM while comparing it to todays DDR5 onboard RAM graphics card from say ATI in crossfire mode (banking).

    Wayne I will be honest, when im up to no good on the net which has been practically my entire life since 13 I have to do allsorts of stuff before I can transmit and before you say it, no VPN given out by companies despite their claims will still give out your details under a warrant. Unless you darknet, your screwed and even then you’ve got to adapt as that’s the cat and mouse game so you have to keep learning, keep inventing solutions.

    I wish it was as simple as having a contract not in my name but im afraid that’s not enough

    People and I know this is a horrible thing to say but to do with the net are suckers just waiting their turn to play victim and it will remain that way until the end user gets off their fat backside and learns something and it don’t matter if their working or not , their all just victims plain and simple. Learn or burn that’s the choice.

    gaia

    September 4, 2013 at 11:53 am

    • I’ve just got one question: Where’s Wayne?

      The Helping Hand

      September 4, 2013 at 3:50 pm

      • Yeah, where is Wayne.? You have an adoring public and we hang on to your every word. Give it up for your fans, you owe it to us

        Windmill1

        September 4, 2013 at 4:57 pm

      • The Ugly Little Shit Is Now Calling Herself KAREN PASSMORE ON THE VOID POSTS

        mR x

        October 21, 2013 at 7:40 am

      • Is that WAYNE KERR or WAYNE KING

        Postman Pat

        August 4, 2014 at 2:57 pm

      • Has it really stopped Wayne(ing) ?

        The Weather Man

        September 17, 2014 at 11:55 am

  63. They are wrong because it simple stuff like my name and current address, but apparently the call centre contracts computer system uses a subset of the dwps data which Is correct and the call centre won’t speak to and ignore the fact they are breaking the dpa themselves. Apparently. Its a known bug and it pulls up old data but you have no idea what

    I have him on tape stating its illegal to record even after he had been informed it wasn’t and refusing to take a complaint about work provider fraud as well as stating h e would refuse a sars/foi request even before I had drafted or submitted it on the grounds it was vexious

    growls

    September 4, 2013 at 4:59 pm

  64. freedom-of-information-request@dwp.gsi.gov.uk

    https://www.gov.uk/make-a-freedom-of-information-request/the-freedom-of-information-act

    As I said FOI about your details mentioning this subset business and known bugs, this is where to start. Sorry for sounding like DWP on that one but theirs still a protocol ok. You send it to another place not your manager.

    Growls i need to know, have they stopped your payments throughout all this without sanction ? , are they refusing to let you sign on ?

    As for this manager have you got your area managers address yet as that’s who your going to send this stuff to minus the tapes and FOIs that is and state how you tried to hand this in but the manager refused, state you even have a recording of the affair, then wait alittle for a reply so step at a time, step at a time.

    Lastly have they issued you with any document stating you have been abusive or words to that effect lately, again this is important ?

    gaia

    September 4, 2013 at 8:26 pm

  65. No I have been getting my money but as my esa payment date is friday they claim that the earliest they can pay me is Monday if it has been released but late , that dosnt help when you have no food or money for electricity.

    Oh he raised a letter ok 28 days after I put in a formal complaint against him. It was also signed by him instead of the ‘none, involved manager as per their own procedures. Disrupting the office ironic as it was one of the few occasions were they did provide a prI,vate room as I insisted I was going to record.

    I am still waiting to see what they give me for the sars request I asked for detailing all the internal procedures and minutes of how they where followed etc. also if they added a pv flag to my file and if so who authorised it. Not holding my breath they will issue anything usefull though.

    growls

    September 5, 2013 at 12:04 am

    • If you sign on Monday you get your funds Thursday, sign on Tuesday you get it Friday so its a delay of three days to payment. Is this also your period or longer ?

      Unfortunately which ive witnessed at work when working that bacs payments on Fridays are often released the preceeding Monday on account of the weekend. Is this whats happening ?

      As for the letter you received is it possible you can cut and paste it here after typing in obviously removing any personal and or sensitive data regarding both you and them so no names or addresses or phone numbers, etc ?

      You need to establish exactly what evidence they have that substantiates their claim. Now I cant remember it off the top of my head so look it up but DWP keep a secret record on claimants behaviour when they consider it is beyond the norm. During this process statements are submitted by staff. You need these statements so also put this forward to this area manager I told you to send your stuff to. They might try and fight it but like in my case they had to in the end supply it. I naturally tore their claims to pieces as the statements couldn’t even give the same time line let alone a staff witness stating they saw the event yet later failed to explain how they saw what they saw with a massive building pillar in the way.
      as you can imagine she withdrew her statement then as quick as a flash a big fat cheque addressed to your truly.

      Also you reported that on occasion police have attended or that you have been threatened they will. You should have calmly waited for them as they will only escort you from the building. I say this as when they are present infront of this manager or a member staff mention im only here to hand this complaint in, in accordance with DWP procedure, show the police the procedures but this manager refuses to except my complaint in writing and wont suggest an alternative address. Naturally this will have an impact and while waiting make sure you stand right next to a camera or in full view of other claimants.
      Now the police act as they do so be humble to them otherwise you might find they will side with DWP.

      gaia

      September 5, 2013 at 6:22 am

  66. I think Tuesday is my release date as Friday is the payment date after they have had their 3 days allowed due to the old system of posting giro’s out.

    growls

    September 5, 2013 at 9:05 am

    • You say Friday is your payment date, is this because I have mentioned it or is that when DWP said it would land in your bank account ?

      What day of the week do you actually sign on (ie Monday, Tuesday, when exactly and is it AM or PM, please DO NOT put down the actual time)?

      Lastly for now the 3 days allowed bit is not what it appears you might think it is, the bacs process takes as long as it takes, its not DWPs fault if they have entered into the system on the day you actually sign on.

      gaia

      September 5, 2013 at 9:16 am

    • Oops hating typing on a tablet. Letter is mainly boiler you disturbed office don’t do it or police courts involved etc and his name but I do have it on file.

      How do you get to see the secret file is there any id numbers on it etc to ask for , because I made a sars for everything they held on me and there was nothing like that included surprise, surprise . cheers

      growls

      September 5, 2013 at 9:18 am

      • I’m actually on ESA no requirement to sign as I’m waiting for a trib. date so they have me on basic rate. The only reason I have to deal with that office is because that was the situation supposedly put in place by management due to me not being able to talk to the esa dept via the call centers.

        I know the money is supposed to be admin released by the dwp on their system before it can go to bacs either Monday or Tuesday and this is the part they are not doing until they get a quick up the backside from me by having to go to the jc and complain I haven’t been paid again. Jc after much arguing its nothing to do with them then call relevlant dept. To get a flag toggled on the payment (authorised Im guessing ) and it then goes through bacs processing as normal but just 3 /4 late.

        I’m not dropping this matter but I’m having heart surgery Monday so I’m not to be able to do much beyond request that secret file.

        growls

        September 5, 2013 at 9:33 am

      • Growl mate, I do have a life and right about now am trying to go out but none the less have dug it out.

        Incident forms are for potentially violent customers or referred to as PVs or PVCs and staff in such cases must fill out the following forms IF1/IF2 AND IF3. Now within this should be statements from the staff who claim victim of such however when released to the general public must remove personal and sensitive data so if they say they cant release them because of you now know what to say ok.

        Now at this stage theirs nothing to say such a report has been filled out now or ever so FOI might still be correct but none the less this is what your going to ask your area manager to supply.

        Right im off now until later so good luck and I will speak to you again soon.

        gaia

        September 5, 2013 at 9:51 am

  67. Ive just read your other post which I didn’t see as typing, I feel like shit now talking about my life when your getting opened up on Monday so im going to leave it at this.

    I hope your surgery goes well, my thoughts are with you even though we have never met so why not forget about this stuff for now and concentrate on your health as this all cant be doing you any favours and its not like you don’t have grounds to waylay it on account of the surgery and the nature of it?

    gaia

    September 5, 2013 at 9:59 am

  68. Nah nothing to feel sorry about Its something they can fix so I’ll get better, I appreciate the help and don’t expect immediate answers (people post when they want to can) that’s way forums work.

    I might not be able to afford justice but I can make the b’stards do some work for a change!

    thanks

    growls

    September 5, 2013 at 11:26 am

  69. If you haven’t already notice growl this site is a wash with links to submitted FOIs and your find allsorts of stuff to aid you in certain situations and if you get any that aren’t then just post and someone will pick up on it eventually.

    gaia

    September 6, 2013 at 8:38 am

  70. I’m laid up due to my op I and my Esa appeal date for it hasnt even come through Ive had the time to think about writing some letters Heres the link to a FOI I sent

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/clarification_on_policy_and_proc/new

    If I need to do a follow up any comments * / points I missed will be welcome.

    *orrible ones are welcome as long as you send chocolates as well.

    growls

    September 18, 2013 at 12:53 am

  71. Just been threatened with 4wk sanction for not allowing jc advisor access to my uj acc i was reading online that i didnt have to do that also i was told i couldnt give my jobsearch to them on a piece of paper again i read. They couldnt dictate how they received my evidence for work searching so i dont what to do

    aaaahhhhhg

    October 14, 2013 at 3:33 pm

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    Just because the Labour Government made a complete hash of its time in power and spent the kitty dry, also did nothing to see the looming housing crash in America, and did nothing to prevent such an event happening over here, then we would not be in this mess.

    The current Government are doing their best to get this country back on track, but at what cost, to the people already struggling. Also the influx of migrant people into this country is a joke, and they just seem to be able to snap up any job that is going, what about the British Citizen? They should ultimately get priority. What happened to the old philosophy that charity begins at home, well it damn well should.

    I am sick and tired of this country and how and where it is going, no wonder more and more people are choosing to go abroad, for the jobs and better standard of living. I for one am in the process of seriously considering this.

    Come on Get a grip with this country and do more for us not the one that think that they can just come here and get what they want. God I hope that Labour never ever get into power ever again.

    Jonathan

    October 20, 2013 at 9:40 pm

  73. wayne :
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    mike

    October 24, 2013 at 1:21 pm

  74. @ Wayne. You could spend your time learning to read and write instead of moaning here.

    mike

    October 24, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    • Had a thought. Is @ Wayne a ”false flag poster” put here by his bosses at DWP to wind us up. He/She/Other seems to know too much about certain people on this site when he’s Police Officer or Police Inspector

      Jobcentre

      October 25, 2013 at 2:54 pm

      • http://www.autec.co.uk/contact-us

        have any of you heard of these crowed?

        i picked their advert in the job center yesterday. i phoned about a free course and the guy says oh im not sure, ehh i will get somebody to call you back.

        mike

        October 30, 2013 at 2:50 pm

  75. Wayne, you do not have to behave like a primate to know that ,”the Law, like the Ritz, is open to all”. (Lord Lloyd 1933).
    ps Primates normally live in tropical and subtropical areas. So why are you in Ipswich?

    Windmill1

    October 24, 2013 at 3:06 pm

  76. here is a bogus advert posted today on uni job match

    Company confidential

    Maintenance Person

    Job description

    Maintenance Person
    £15.00 per hour
    Job Purpose: To provide routine maintenance services to the Nursing Home

    under the direction of the Facilities Manager/Home Manager.

    Main Responsibilities:

    · Undertake all routine maintenance tasks and minor general repair work as requested by

    the Facilities Manager/Home Manager.

    job id is 4221614

    when i click apply i get taken to a site that keeps linking me to gambling sites and porn sites. well done gov.uk

    mike

    October 25, 2013 at 10:34 am

    • It’s still up Mike, but this sort of shit can get you sanctioned! I bet your JSAG says something like “check UJM 100 times a day and apply for all suitable vacancies”. All an ‘advisor’ needs to do is pull this up and say: “Why didn’t you apply for this vacancy?” “because linking me to gambling sites and porn sites.” “Pfft, nonsense, this is going to a ‘decision maker'”. Result: sanction! This is the way the jobcentre works as many on here will know only too well.

      GL24

      October 25, 2013 at 11:57 am

      • Just to add the ‘advisor’ would pull this up and confront you with it, but they wouldn’t ‘click’ on it to see where it led – they never do!

        GL24

        October 25, 2013 at 12:00 pm

  77. i reported it and was told oh we know about this bogus firm and are dealing with it. lol

    mike

    October 25, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    • That bogus firm has been on UJM for ages and ages lol

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      October 25, 2013 at 1:50 pm

  78. http://www.tchc.net

    i was sent by the joke center to this crowed on a 2 day course. i was promised that i would have a jobs adviser call me weekly to assist in my job search, i was promised that i would be sent on a course none of which have happened. the are funded by europe but do nothing once they have the funds we sign for. another bunch of jokers.

    mike

    October 30, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    • Record every thing, Like they do.
      Have you been asked if you can be recorded IN THE jcp? your on camera! (no)

      They say it can only be used for personal use ( dpa) and it is, but if your personal time is used up with sanctions. Then you can transcript it all up for tribunals and court.

      The judge may not accept it in court but any appeal recorded to there knowledge. makes them shit. BEFORE. They do not understand that your recordings when transacted in court are admissible.

      The facts are RECORD EVERYTHING AND SAVE IT.

      ED

      October 30, 2013 at 3:42 pm

  79. how about this crowed http://www.autec.co.uk
    saw their ad in jc
    called to enquire about the free courses they offer
    sir the person who deals with free courses has just popped out. we will call you back

    mike

    October 30, 2013 at 3:14 pm

  80. I understand getting into work, but when no one replies to emails and calls you leave and its days or weeks after if you do. What do you keep phoning and emailing to which there is no reply, what 300 applications to 1 job, what about being told your over qualified, that is is an answer to keep you out of work, they have already said by that answer i am qualified to do the job we just want you as a threat in our company. What about umbrella companies who promise work and yet you only get a few days here and there, so how do i pay my fuel / electicity and gas and tax and food and drink and clothes and debits and more taxes and rent or mortgage with that kind of no pemament job ?????????????. Im tired of being told we are lazy no this is the image the goverment have used as a back drop to allow another means to happen to another end, that is the real reason they are using for our kids, and yet no mention of the fact most is temp for a few weeks work and then back on teh dole and no give rats arse at all. When i have been in the job centre not all but most are terrible at there jobs in there, i took phone evidence and paperwork evidence email recieved and sent, i tried to show them this, you could see by there arrogant attitude they were not in the slightest bit interested is seeing it. They tapped a few kesy and said if there is no other quesitons you need to askt that will all today. Great fantastic service, super, wonderful, i have over 1000 job applications in warehouse / cleaning / IT / reparis / van driving you know those jobs you snobs don,t want to do, but you say we are lazy when we say the same as you and mps, they would,nt do. So what are you saying that is it becasue that is all we can be, no i say i want more i deserve more the girl or guy next to me deserve more. What the goverment have done is ensured wages do not match up to life and payments and buying as a whole, these low paid jobs are terrible, so much for modern day age, its not mordern there is still job agency taking people for a ride for crappy 3 – 6 – 8 – 12 weeks work ruling and at teh end of 12 weeks get rid of you, dump you in the garbage bin that is what we are sick of, it keeps happening and happening and happening and no gives a toss, so much for the human race you would think the way we go on some of us are not human or skeletons the job market is slowly and surely corrupted in carefully worded pattern scripts and paper work patterns of hidden loop holes in working contracts drawn up, its such a disgrace a lot of temp agnecies work in this manner, yet the goverment does know this happens and goes on, yet there very happy with it and do nothing about it, there always in favour of this kind of attitude as it serves there purpose to create a reason to pick on the poor once again, but give bankers a get out of jail free card and so fourth and so foutth.

    yet you are told work over time for free
    work through dinner hours for free
    no time off in when you need it
    no bonus for us down there hey mps just how you like it.
    how much of you working hours do you give a way for free, because of others who create debt and recession and we are forced into a corner because of what they did, remember we did not cause this down fall event it was those in power.
    can,t trust huams who are like that, class them all teh same you can,t go wrong time and time again it repeats its self time and time again.
    its nothing new what so ever

    and you have to come home from you crappy job to find bankers are getting a bonus again
    mps are getting a raise again
    mp are claiming once again
    mps say £125,000 wage is average wage mmmmmmmmmmmmm really mr con man.
    mps sick of them, such liers and abusers of actual life and reality, not that made rubbish you see everywhere.

    i see too many people speaking there mind and not what is really going on and you know what you should be speaking out and speaking up, talk about your real experiences not a imaginary rubbish that is just lieing to your self nothing more.

    i would like mps to sit with me for 4 weeks and follow me around and give the chance to prove what really is going on in job applying, as what mps have said is not true at all – they are just guess work and carefully worded stories for the media nothing more than that.

    i challenge mps to do this come join us in our job search and job hunt and spend real time in a real world and in your speach campaigns, the need for truth is over due on jobs.

    how many jobs are agency ?????????????
    how many jobs are Temp ???????????????
    how jobs are short contracts ??????????????
    how many jobs are umbreall short contracts ???????????????
    how many jobs are paid only when they have work for you short contracts ????????
    how many job applicaions are computer software based reply systems with no human contact at all ??????????????????????
    go to college for what to get ignored and job applcations made so hard to do the job you know you can do only to be told your over qualified, great decsion,s.

    they don,t want qualifed peope, they want people who will take the scraps from the master table attitude, this needs to change, i remember the goverments said lets make it easier for people to get into work ———— really ?????????????????

    there 100,s of qualified huamn beings – employers are over looking on pupose and cheery picking how they see fit ——– then you say get and education why you don,t want qauifed peope —– you want some one less in that position ——- so why don,t we just do away with training —– and get people in there and do ti the old way train people as they work in the job and all that other mess and media technbo babble witll be cut out it makes sense.

    train people in the job ———————- some thing uk has gone wrong with ———— we use to take people on and just get on with it and train them up. problem today is too lies and cover ups and manipulation in jobs and the market has made a total mess of jobs.

    that is the real reason why we are in the mess we are in and no mp has brought that to the for front of decussion because no one has teh guts to say it how it really is, only how its looks in your head or dreams that is nonsense and only serves corrupt thinking.

    job market is being manipulated big time. wake up.

    we are not in this together at all it was a smoke screen of lies.

    total rubbish fabrication of lies is what mps are, its nothing liek they describeb on the news at all, not in any way.

    cxc

    February 24, 2014 at 5:34 pm

  81. I go to cdg private work program sent to by jsa compulsery…I have to prove 20 hours job search per week to them…according to them thats 25/30 jobs a week…as if there is an endless renewable supply to apply for..the same jobs are on all the sites ,many for weeks on end, and more sites dont mean more jobs…they are all connected and send you all over the place until you end up back to the one you already applied for recently.
    Sanctioned once all ready for not knowing how to apply untill i did crash course on it..
    i.e, didnt apply untill after the course. lost 4 weeks jsa….2nd sanction can be 3 mounths.
    Living hand to mouth as it is, that would finish me off…searching every day but quota is
    unrealistic. Living in fear of next sanction. no matter what you tell them, they have
    answers to questions you havant even thought of yet. gunna ask were all these jobs are?

    anxridden

    May 17, 2014 at 12:18 pm

  82. I find it all quite funny really. I’m currently on Jobseekers Allowance, and have found that if you know how to argue your points properly, and argue the correct points on the correct grounds they start to realise how little authority they actually legally have.

    For example: I was told that I had to apply for all types of work that I was physically capable of doing. My argument was that according the Universal Declaration of Human Rights I have the right to free choice of employment, so I was going to exercise my right to free choice of employment and selectively apply for IT jobs that I had a chance of actually getting and would offer me the same end-of-year salary as the business that I am trying to start.

    They stated that according to my “Jobseekers Agreement” (which they say is a legally binding document when it technically cannot be because they don’t even tell you that you can seek legal guidance before signing it, and penalise you for refusing to signed updated agreements) I DO NOT have the right to free choice of employment, and that there is no benefit that will enable me to exercise this right so if I wanted to claim benefits I could not be so selective and I must spend at least 8 to 9 hours a day looking for work. She even called across her manager to help her enforce these directions.

    I then calmly and rationally explained that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights also states (in the article previous to the one that states I have free choice of employment) that everyone has the right to Social Security, which is defined as Monetary Assistance from the State. I also explained that the second article in the declaration states that “everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind”, so to deny me these rights and freedoms is to violate my human rights which would have serious legal implications.

    At this point they switched tactics, attempted to pretend that they were sympathising and showing leniency in my case. In actual fact they didn’t have a leg to stand on. I should really have recorded the interview, it was hilarious. I was removed from daily signing, and now every advisor I see tells me that I should be looking for work, but doesn’t argue and signs me on without even a glance at my job search record.

    If they tried pressing the “so many hours of job search” thing at me I would simply tell them that I do not work for free, so if they try telling me exactly how many hours I should look for work or try telling me what I should be doing I would consider the direction work in its own right, and I charge an hourly rate of £50 which is really quite reasonable considering my usual hourly consultancy rate is upwards of £500 depending on the subject matter. I once saw a video on YouTube where a Police officer in a traffic stop paid a man £20,000 to get out of his vehicle to be arrested because he stated the same fact, or something similar.

    Universal Declaration of Human Rights, featured on the United Nations website:
    http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

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