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Hackers: From Facebook to Universal Jobmatch?

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Last night on Channel Four there was a programme,

How hackers are hijacking your Facebook ‘likes’.

Channel 4 News has uncovered evidence that this growth is fuelled in part by computer hacking, with cyber criminals breaking into websites and using viruses to stoke a massive black market in Facebook likes.

It’s hard not to think of this when reading the latest news about Universal JobMatch in the Independent,

Vacancies for lap dancers in a club that offers “topless to fully nude dances” have been advertised on a government website, despite the fact that such adverts were banned from appearing in job centres over three years ago.

The Coalition’s Universal Jobmatch website was last night advertising six jobs for dancers, table-top dancers, and entertainment dancers, in an American style lap-dancing club in Norwich. People claiming jobseeker’s allowance are required to use the one-year-old site to look for work or can risk losing their benefit.

The venue hiring is the Sugar & Spice American table dancing club, which describes itself on its website as offering its customers a “unique experience” that is “compared to the out-dated traditional gentlemen’s or strip club”.

On a recent post on this site ‘Universal Jobmatch‘ (Not his real name I suspect) commented on the employment appearing on the Government’s contracted out site.

Check out the list of most common employers on Universal Jobmatch right now … http://www.dugjobs.com/employers.php

CV Library (Job Warehouse Only) Database of agencies (most fake)
Agency Central Limited (Job Warehouse) Agency
Technojobs Job Warehouse Only Shady – genuine site, but over inflated jobs on there
Strike Jobs “strike-jobs.co.uk” fake job board in the style of mobile app
CareerBuilder (Job Warehouse) CareerBuilder one of the dead job boards, now in the top 10 UJM employers but no where to be seen on directgov job search?! A job warehouse site, where mass jobs are imported without checks…. like strike jobs and most of the other job board sites, its just to build traffic to their websites whilst it fills up UJM for the government
Salian Group – a company with thousands of jobs, yet only 12 likes ( https://www.facebook.com/TheSalianGroup?ref=stream ) not much of a “group” company … the logo suggests its a Kleeneze affiliate … p.s. you can buy “likes” rather easily
Pieroth Ltd – a Wine company … with so many jobs? One job “Area Sales Representative” in EVERY town… its a sales commission self-employed position – more of an advert than anything else
Kleeneze – self-employed jobs … no real vacancies exist, as such
Monster (Job Warehouse) – Monster ….
One Recruitment Agency
Infocus Group – a directgov job search parasite legend… major scammer
Vision Focus Group – all self-employed sales jobs … not a real job
Staffworks (uk) Limited Agency
Vicomte Bernard De Romanet Ltd – A direct clone of the Pieroth Ltd jobs … same company? a competitor perhaps? We are a nation of alcoholics, but there is not that much demand for a sales agent in each town for each wine company… we have places called Tescos, Waitrose, Sainsburys etc. to buy booze from
EPCRS LTD – self employed jobs… catalogues!!! Betterware this time.
Tjgrecruitment – Agency
MechanicsRus Ltd – appears to be a legit recruitment business for the motor trade, but who knows
Aberdeenshire Council – council on an employment drive?!
Maid2Clean – cleaning agency (a bit obvious, you guess that right? lol)
Sporting Dreams – teaching agency
PK Prospekts – more self-employed sales jobs … cannot spell “prospects” correctly or perhaps an internal job
Harper Construction Recruitment – Agency
Hunkindistribution – sales agents for more catalogues!
UK Local Recruitment – worrying customer service and sales positions… job adverts have specific pages on their website to apply for all jobs except the traditional link with a job identifier ID. Seems a one web form to steal your data… would avoid like the plague
LogicMelon (Job Warehouse) – agency with mass import feature
Anglian Home Improvements – sales
The Best Connection – agency
XL Group – thousands of “Retail Sales Team” positions – more self-employed catalogue delivery and collection – assume like the others, the reason for this is to get a scan of your driving licence perhaps?
Private Eye Service Ltd – disappointment… is another catalogue collection self-employed positions
Jobsgopublic (Job Warehouse Only) – agency (with mass import) – many council jobs on their books… by the name it seems its a public sector agency… might just be re-advertising openly available public jobs as available on local government websites
Eteach Uk Limited – agency for teaching – niche – but also do motor trade and various other positions… very illogical, if they do indeed have real clients, many of which might not have real jobs going
Hays – Agency

Excuse my language, but Universal Jobmatch is fucking shit. The top 30 or so, consist of one public employer and potentially a few probably-safe agencies. The rest is littered with agencies, many of which are recession agencies, wine sales people, self-employed jobs galore and catalogue collection businesses.

Catalogues… Argos, you have to collect from a store. Next is delivered by home delivery(renamed yodel now?). Betterware, Kleeneze and AVON etc are delivered by own agents. What can these catalogue companies really be? Obviously a scam. Thousands are falling for this.

Recession or not, there aren’t that many jobs going. So how come so many agencies with thousands of jobs, yet employment levels not rocketing by half a million in the next quarter or so?! They are FAKE. Universal Jobmatch is full of scams, fake agencies and even job affiliate sites posting jobs found elsewhere to get traffic, that includes jobsball.com and the like.

A job.. A job is where you work for an employer for a wage or salary, through the books as PAYE. Self-employed is where you are your own boss, doing your own business as a sole trader. Why is 80% of the “jobs” on Universal Jobmatch, actually self-employed? The fact of the matter is, many jobseekers do not get the self-employed (record keeping, filing tax returns etc.) thing, otherwise they would set up their own business (indeed some do), they are relying on jobs… where the employer deals with paying their tax through a PAYE scheme.

As for self-employed positions that actually exist that should be a job… these will increase over the next 5+ years, as the government makes pensions contributions mandatory.

He suggested,

It has at least 10,000 agencies… only around 50 are even serious agencies, such as the large ones like Hays, Adecco etc

The rest are recession agencies (i.e. unemployment = money; do a business in recruitment) – most have little if any actual clients.

I think around a third of which are part-time second jobs, operated evenings and weekends – you know, they think the industry has the money but not brave enough to jack their job in to do it full time.

I get the sense many are just “testing the water”. The problem with this, it messes around, and obtain a lot of data from jobseekers.

We can see all too clearly this at work now.

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Written by Andrew Coates

August 6, 2013 at 10:37 am

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  1. I see a lot of jobs directed to a site from ‘JSAJobs’. What do we know about this?

    ghost whistler

    August 6, 2013 at 11:45 am

    • JSAJobs.org.uk? They have ripped the design of a reputable website and run a job database of Indeed vacancies. So they are grabbing traffic from the main website before sending it through to Indeed, probably with the view to making serious money as Indeed runs an affiliate scheme.

      Universal Jobmatch

      August 6, 2013 at 4:07 pm

  2. I totally agree.I have even received a “job offer” via Totaljobs for money laundering. I showed it to the Jobcentre people. All they wanted were your account details..work from home etc etc

    Windmill1

    August 6, 2013 at 11:47 am

    • I don’t suppose JCP made any comment about what they intend to do next about such ads ?

      gaia

      August 6, 2013 at 4:46 pm

      • I bet they were naturally concerned at first, then decided to ignore it and move on. Save the time and hassle from it all.

        Universal Jobmatch

        August 6, 2013 at 4:54 pm

      • They are only, not doing their jobs.. bless! But we are unemployed

        Windmill1

        August 6, 2013 at 5:36 pm

      • Of course not.. that would require effort

        Windmill1

        August 6, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    • Totaljobs, don’t we love that piece-of-shit-of-a-website!? Its worst than monster.

      Search for example “royal mail jobs Ipswich” in Google, its #2!

      http://www.totaljobs.com/JobSeeking/(Royal%20Mail)_Ipswich_l2017_t1.html

      On the page you will find no actual royal mail jobs. Not in Ipswich, not anywhere!

      Its the same with supermarkets vacancies and everything, the bracket search term is ignored. At least this time it has returned jobs in Ipswich, the last time it missed both on employer name and location… “epic fail!”

      Universal Jobmatch

      August 6, 2013 at 4:53 pm

      • The royal mail and supermarkets always it appears have you apply through their website direct so unless they post the ad themselves, no agency advertising such should be considered without prior research incase situations change.

        Out of interest the next time you use such a site place Ipswich (ie, where you live) in the job title part aswell as the area from part and see if that yields better results.

        If I get a free moment though I will have a look at the availability of work in Ipswich as it must be quite bad if it can spawn its own website, namely this one.

        I know this sounds selfish but regardless im glad this site was put up as I would have never met all you lot which despite our lives being not so good currently is quite a comfort in that I know that im not alone and that their are people and I don’t care if their claimants that really do care unlike I hate to say it DWP/JCP and the employed.

        gaia

        August 6, 2013 at 6:20 pm

  3. I’m getting ‘301 Moved Permanently’ when i go to the site, which I do because I feel I should at least look, even though it’s fucking painful to use.

    ghost whistler

    August 6, 2013 at 12:09 pm

  4. When i worked in personal insolvency a lot of clients went the selling the catalogues way., Kleeneezee etc. Like u do your best and they promise the earth. It is “pyramid” selling and they are left “holding the baby”..Not good.. In that situation people try to borrow themselves out of it and hope for the best..They are decent people trying to do their best in a bad situation..

    Windmill1

    August 6, 2013 at 12:26 pm

  5. If you ever go self-employed you have to fill in an Income Tax Self Assessment and an other mountain of associated paperwork for the REST OF YOUR LIFE. Something the JCP won’t be telling you ;-). Don’t do it kids! … unless you want HMRC on your tail… FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!

    JCP sucks

    August 6, 2013 at 12:54 pm

  6. …. this applies if you are NO LONGER SELF-EMPLOYED 😉

    JCP sucks

    August 6, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    • Only if you don’t sign on for unemployment benefit and I know this to be true as apart from actually being instructed to by the TAX OFFICE, its actually the sole reason I sign on in the first place as I don’t draw any other benefits and nor do I wish to unless I have no option which im sure is exactly how you all feel I suspect.

      People have to remember that their are varying forms of self employment, not all require you to source your own clients so do be careful before disregarding the actual vacancy as take me as an engineer, often its self employed but we don’t source the clients/accounts so as such is just the perfect way of maximising ones own profit.

      What does raise some interesting point though is, if a claimant is use to PAYE, SHOULD THEY STILL BE EXPECTED TO APPLY FOR SELF EMPLOYED VACANCIES ?

      The quick answer is ONLY IF THE JCP OFFICE SENT THEM ON A SELF EMPLOYMENT COURSE FIRST LIKE WHAT BUSINESS LINK USE TO RUN. Don’t quote me on it but I think its safe to assume this is a good defence if anyones being pressured to lately although if you lack good maths I suspect this would be the other.

      gaia

      August 6, 2013 at 4:44 pm

  7. I wish someone would hack UJM and take the usless piece of f*cking sh*t down permanently.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    August 6, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    • haha, I would see the irony if it was forwarded to Monster lol.

      Universal Jobmatch

      August 6, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    • I guarantee you its been hacked as the security is equal to that of piss poor forum sites set up on free hosting servers and I am laughing when typing as its so easy its not actually called hacking to other hackers.

      As for taking it down permanently im afraid that wont happen on account of these threats being very common place so all sites have regularly updated ghost prints on other servers not to mention the other servers already hosting and that’s just for starters.

      gaia

      August 6, 2013 at 4:53 pm

  8. Why waste time hacking UJM…. when a more effective approach is simply to instigate a Denial of Service Campaign.

    Eowyn Rohan

    August 6, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    • Again what I said above but your welcome to try if you think different ?

      Out of interest who exactly will be doing this DOS attack and if you how do you intend to proceed as I assume you know about such things so know the pitfall of such an attack ?

      gaia

      August 6, 2013 at 4:56 pm

  9. I agree with O W K……if only? As an unemployed person I am now going to sit in front of the TV drinking super strength lager and smoke weed. .That’s the cliche. A Daily Mail reader’s wet dream!

    Windmill1

    August 6, 2013 at 3:28 pm

  10. ps NOT…!

    Windmill1

    August 6, 2013 at 4:06 pm

  11. The funny thing I notice is… it shows 5000 part time jobs and 5000 full time jobs, in the counts on the site, but go to industry category or locations, you will notice there are more than 10,000 jobs. Why is it capped to 5000?

    Universal Jobmatch

    August 6, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    • Wonderfully round figures don’t you think!

      Didn’t Jesus feed the 5,000?

      Andrew Coates

      August 6, 2013 at 4:16 pm

      • If you want the answer to stuff like that then I suggest looking at the SQL traffic data.

        gaia

        August 6, 2013 at 4:59 pm

  12. The first and most important thing regarding UJ or any other reputable jobsite is HOW MANY VACANCIES ARE ACTUALLY FOR THE VERY SAME JOB ?

    HOW MANY VACANCIES GET FRESHLY RE POSTED EVERY SINGLE DAY YET THE POSTER NEVER SEEMS TO REMOVE THE OLD ONES ?

    I find on average that a single vacancy can be on its very first day advertised on a single site at least 3 to 4 times by separate companies/agencies meaning only in a broad sense that as per 100 vacancies, theirs actually only 25 to 33.5 actual posts to be filled (real vacancies).
    I said broadly as this is a mere snap shot and doesn’t take into account re posting, scamming, training and ill posted with unrealistic expectations such as your PAYE but must supply your own TOOLS, TRANSPORT AND PPEs knowing that the employee wont be able to claim back the costs nor their up keep for instance.

    In reference to earlier comments I don’t think it matters whether its a legit agency, clone or a jobsite itself as the risk if taken is always the same and that is the security and protection of ones PERSONAL AND SENSITIVE DATA. Ive said it a million times these companies aswell as the others on the net make a mint out of this data every second without paying you the owner a single solitary penny for it and its done so by manipulating the Data Protection Act. You see no where does it stipulate that ones consent has to come in the form of a signature and as a result we now see the likes of a simple click with the mouse and or not even signing (viewed as agreeing by default) as forms of consent.
    Now we know this tory government wont do anything about it as you’ve only got to look at recent news where they are fully in favour of peoples own bodies being subject to becoming instant body parts by default or the more recent backing of your internet provider day one putting safety blocks on your internet viewing by default.

    This means the public are for the want of a better word “ON THEIR OWN” in the matter of policing ones own personal security with regards to data. I CANT IMPRESS ENOUGH THE IMPORTANCE OF KNOWING YOUR RIGHTS REGARDING DATA PROTECTION.

    People must stop thinking web page or site and think of these things as individual PCs as for instance these clone sites or any site for that fact act as portals so even though you eventually connect to a familiar site like say HAYS, every thing you do send them gets snagged and recorded. It doesn’t have to be a site that demands you sign up, in order to obtain your data they only have to provide a mere pathway and the rest is bobs your uncle, more personal data. This gets a lot worse if the server in question isn’t even in the UK.

    Believe it or not but dew to this unwarranted intrusion a candidate could spend as much as a day investigating a single job what with all the peters and pauls it passes through which im sure will be good news for these career benefit drawers IDS keeps banging on about but little to no use to us claimants desperate to work and plain fed up having to watch our backsides with each and every application.

    SELF EMPLOYMENT

    I’m not as adverse to self employment as some here and yes it does require quite a bit of paperwork but providing its a good source of employment, the dividends far out way PAYE.
    For the record I would never advise entering in to sales on a self employed basis unless you display a good talent for making people part with money.

    gaia

    August 6, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    • Some really good points there – the DPA is not fit for purpose.

      Self-Employment “vacancies” are not jobs. Being your own boss is something a person with initiative does who want to run their own business; not forced upon you to receive a wage due to the employer wanting to pay below NMW, to not pay tax and employers NI, not to be accountable for employing ‘illegals’ and to avoid getting forced into the pensions nonsense which is law for many businesses now.

      Most these self-employed jobs do not even go through the books; they are fully aware that the person will not declare in the income because its sticks them seriously below NMW, or to avoid checking right-to-work eligibility as they know the person would fail it. Most these are “small jobs on the side” very unsustainable and prevent the need for the business to deal with PAYE starts and ends for such a short period and the need to store records on the individual.

      I am surprised HMRC hasn’t targeted people/businesses more regarding this practice. However, without siding with the criminality you can understand how some businesses want to avoid the red tape for employing a person for a day one-off. Even trivial employment elements relative to the duration, such as holiday pay, is still applicable. Technically an employer would still have to pay it (pro rata basis). The costs of complying with employment law will be more expensive than the persons wages in this case.

      Universal Jobmatch

      August 6, 2013 at 4:47 pm

      • I don’t know where this is coming from but their are lots of references to self employment that just aren’t the case as making an employee self employed isn’t a company shirking its responsibilities and or cost cutting.

        For a start when talking TAX DEDUCTABLES its actually more beneficial for a company employing a certain amount of workforce to opt for PAYE. The opposite is true for a smaller workforce in reference to a preference for self employment and both practices especially self employment has been around for centuries in both good and bad times.

        Self employment is still a vacancy and NO its not only for people with initiative as like I pointed out elsewhere, not all self employed vacancies require the individual to obtain their own client base. As for below NMW, its called piece work meaning your paid on a task and not the actual hours it took to complete. Again take me as an engineer i bill out at 60 pound to fix a control system (that’s 60 pound job lot not including materials if needed, start to finish), now on one occasion I might diagnose the fault in 5 seconds flat and it requires no new parts yet on another occasion may take the full hour. If the job normally take an hour as excepted by all then its the engineers ability and not the company they get work from that would make this turn into a NMW which in this instance meant they took an unbelievably amount of time to perform the task that others regularly do in an hours tops.

        HOWS THAT A LOSS ?

        Whether we like it or not the person applying for the job must assess to viability of the terms beforehand as yes you do get people taking the piss but in earnest not as much as people think when you consider their are may that know the job so know whether theirs any profit in it for them.

        PERSONS RIGHT TO WORK/PERMIT TO WORK IS LAW, PAYE OR SELF EMPLOYMENT, ESPECIALLY NOW GRATIS AND TIPPING ARE CONSIDERED TAXABLE.

        To understand that better you would have to separate real work from the neighbour offering you a 20 quid one off just to mow the lawn and within this it will also help explain the obligations of both parties under law and finally if a receipt is asked for how VAT will be your doom when considering what to and not to declare on your tax forms.

        Im not saying their aren’t employers who don’t take the pee just that in itself it is most certainly not illegal and that it is up to the person applying to do the math first before excepting.

        Ive spent most of my working life being self employed and never experienced the fears thus posted here so as you can see its not as bad as painted by some.

        AGAIN I WISH TO REITERATE THAT NO CLAIMANT SHOULD BE EXPECTED TO APPLY FOR SELF EMPLOYED POSITIONS UNLESS FIRST GIVEN EXPERT ADVICE ON THE SUBJECT AS FAILURES ARE REWARDED WITH FINES AND FINES ONTOP OF FINES IN REGARDS TO TAXES.

        gaia

        August 6, 2013 at 6:07 pm

      • I think you will be surprised about the self-employment “black market” especially in regards to the jobs on Universal Jobmatch.

        This said it seems some of the most blatant scams have pretty much died off… the ebay forwarding scams, where some idiot (desperate or not, its too obvious its a scam) decides to list a product they don’t have, take money for a product, forward on the majority of the cash to someone you don’t know and haven’t met who will apparently dispatch the goods. (They don’t, the customer gets a full refund, the idiot is left with the huge bill)

        I agree with what you are saying at large, and self-employment generally is more advantageous than PAYE as you get to pay tax later and business expenses can be deducted.

        This said, construction/engineering/architects/professional aside, there was never any place for self-employed “administration assistants” etc. which always cropped up from time to time.

        Just to confuse everything HMRC has a specific guideline in how they work out whether someone is a worker, employee or subcontractor etc. Regardless to the contrary they can treat one as another if they chose to. I guess its somewhat similar to the way they can group businesses together to force paying tax. And they way they leave the big tax avoiders alone.

        Universal Jobmatch

        August 7, 2013 at 5:45 am

  13. I also agree with “Gaia” (I am a very agreeable person). Self employment does not require a great deal of paperwork. It is easier to do a tax computation than one for benefits (speaking from experience, I used to volunteer at the CAB). You need to provide for tax and put it aside each month. When it “kills” is month 18 when u provide for annual and projected tax. Just for info the tax man is the only person who will make u bankrupt. The other creditors will make noises but just that.

    Windmill1

    August 6, 2013 at 5:13 pm

  14. I do not speak for our host.. I think the point being made is that certain people are treated as being self employed whereas they are employees in all but name and entitled to all the benefits (holiday pay etc) especially in the building industry.
    The tax people are bearing down on this. Which can put people out of work.

    On the other hand your local GP or hospital consultant is deemed to be self employed whereas by the same tax test they are employees in everything but name.

    Think about it..

    Windmill1

    August 6, 2013 at 9:58 pm

  15. This week (tonight) I’ve been sent an email, probably via UJM passing on my details to the scammers, advertising an ‘offer’. They say they will give you training. It seems to say it is free training, but I bet it isn’t. It doesn’t say where or when the training is, or who is trainining or teaching you. It doesn’t say the length and total cost of the course, or whether the providers are certified to provide it, or if you get an actual qualification, or what level the training/course is. I’m disabled and this is something else they didn’t mention; whether or not they take disabled people, and if they do, whether the courses are suitable for disabled people, and whether you can work unsupported and unsupervised, solo, self-employed in this industry once you have passed the course. And if this is even financially viable.
    It doesn’t say for definite that the course even includes getting the most basic legal qualification to work in the industry. Or how you fit study and training around home life and the requirement to be free all day doing jobsearch and applying for nonjobs, plus being instantly available for work 24/7.

    In fact, though it came from the government’s UJM people passing on my details, as soon as you started such intensive training, you are likely to be sanctioned for breaching the Jobseeker Agreement.

    Okay, here are the details. There were only 3 job training course options. Job number 3 was to become a gas engineer/fitter.
    Well, I don’t want to do that. And I don’t have the ability to do heavy lifting, like picking up a boiler. Many boilers are larger than me, as well as heavier. Plus, nobody has explained to the bus drivers (!) of our need to come onto public buses carrying a huge heating boiler (old, new or repaired). Apparently no large or unusual items are allowed on buses! And no tins of paint, so forget trying to travel if you are a painter-decorator.

    Oh, we are supposed to have a car or van?
    -Where do we park it if there are no parking spaces near our home, and/or it’s likely to be vandalised or stolen?
    -How do we, on no money and unable to get a loan, save up to buy even a rustbucket cut-and-shut for £500, let alone a proper car, as startup costs before our business even begins? And when saving the four figures for a car, the government notices and confiscates it and/or stops our benefit? Of course, the more shit the car is, the more it costs to maintain/repair. And if you are caught with a car that turns out to be dodgy/illegal/stolen, they crush it and can prosecute/jail/fine you. Then you have to pay for a proper MOT and buy a new legal car.
    -If we actually have a car, can we afford the extra petrol? Is it allowed to be used for business purposes? What if it’s the same car we take the kids to school in? And if we have work chemicals in it? Is it suitable (can it carry boilers or whatever?)? What if we set up our business and suddenly the vehicle breaks down, is in an accident, or gets stolen or trashed? If we can’t get a new car in a couple of days, our business can go to the wall.
    -And if we have no car and no ability to save for one?
    -And if we can’t drive due to disability?????

    Job number 1 was to become a plumber. I don’t want to do that. You again need a van of tools, and it involves unblocking toilets (yuk), plus lifting toilets when installing or uninstalling them. And toilets, particularly USED ones, aren’t allowed on buses. If you are also a bathroom fitter, that’s more heavy lifting and storage space needed.

    Job number 2 was to become an electrician. Less/minimal lifting seems to be involved. I’ve seen how small some people’s toolboxes are and they are allowed onto buses. It looks like something you might be able to do without a car, but of course not everyone lives near a bus route, and you could wait hours for a bus back if on an infrequent route. You would have to turn down clients who don’t live places you can get to. I did an electronics course at school, that I opted to do.

    But:
    There is some risk involved; in the work itself.
    Also is it suitable if you have epilepsy, as I do? I also can’t do ladders, heights etc., both for that reason, and for dizziness, and dislike of heights. And because some scumbags kicked me in the head (and stomped and jumped on my head) 10 years ago, I have problems remembering even learned actions. So I’d be constantly thinking (combined with my epilepsy-driven flickering consciousness) ‘what am I doing?’ ‘why am I here?’ ‘what do I do next?’ The blackouts and epilepsy mean I often don’t know what I just did or said, or read, and I lose my place in a sequence of actions. The memory problems mean I forget how exactly to do something; and once I have figured out how to do it, the dyspraxia can stop my body actually doing it. Or I keep forgetting what I just did, so I do something twice or more, or I think I’ve done it and don’t do it. I try to do things properly but keep having to do them over again, because I want to do it properly and check it is done (blackouts and epilepsy interfere with the checking too), but getting it done then takes many times longer. Also I intermittently drop things because I go numb a lot. It can happen at crucial moments (coffee usually, also spills in a fit or blackout), which is one reason I didn’t go into bomb disposal!

    Or what about the fact I don’t want to be an electrician? Don’t our feelings or opinions count any more?
    What client is going to trust or recommend a workforce made up of workfare slaves, convicted people on Community Punishment orders, and ex-dole people who have been forced to take jobs in and train for industries that they actually don’t want to work in?

    And even if you get started up and have a business for a while, how long before your business folds? Especially if your client base is, or becomes, too impoverished to buy your services. And what then? Are you then meant to train all over again in something else? Pick up a new pile of loan debt? Then do that till it goes pearshaped? Then repeat, with yet another non-starter trade and business? Then work in it, till it goes tits-up? And ask for more training in something else? And work in loads of industries the rest of your life, except the one thing you actually want to do? Your CV would seem to suggest you were a serial Failer.

    Our disabilities and lives are hard enough work already!

    something survived...

    August 7, 2013 at 3:06 am

    • DisAbled or not; if something seems to good to be true, then it probably is.

      If its sketchy with details then avoid like the plague. Believe it or not, its long been an legal requirement for businesses to provide their company details in emails and on their websites, in a similar fashion to letterheads.

      They say they will give you training. It seems to say it is free training, but I bet it isn’t. It doesn’t say where or when the training is, or who is trainining or teaching you. It doesn’t say the length and total cost of the course, or whether the providers are certified to provide it, or if you get an actual qualification, or what level the training/course is.

      Never a truer word said in regards to this situation. Imagine organising an event (business conference, music, theatre, art etc.) where you decide not to tell people the vitals (i.e. Where, When, How and Cost of Entry). If you saw that event missing location, time and cost details you would dismiss it as silly – in this instance it shouldn’t be any different.

      Universal Jobmatch

      August 7, 2013 at 5:29 am

    • Naturally you would have to speak to these trainers but I would imagine its a level 2 qualification, either C&G or NVQ (better if this).

      The usual patter is be a professional in 6 months but here’s the thing, whether you succeed or not depends on the applicants aptitude which I would suspect does not get tested like it is in a college in regards to the candidates level of understanding in math, science and English.

      The place where I see most aspiring engineers fail or drop out is when Math and Science are involved and im afraid that’s exactly what your going to get in all three of the mentioned trades along with demonstrating the law/regulations in respect to said subject.

      Im not saying don’t take it up although I would prefer people to go to proper colleges, just that don’t expect to get hired after this 6 months and if you do don’t expect it to be above the level of MATE.

      Lastly also ask who these employers are if guaranteed employment as their are companies out their that are well known for being poor quality so the employer you are put with may end up ruining your chances rather than improving them (Most are in the domestic sector).

      gaia

      August 7, 2013 at 2:57 pm

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    How can you claim unlimited income… Apple shareholders were disappointed with smaller growth in sales than the company promised… and Apple are rolling in the cash.

    I am curious what this “job” is about! More curious why the DWP allows its continuous addition to Universal Jobmatch when its obviously intended to target everyone for data harvesting.

    Universal Jobmatch

    August 7, 2013 at 5:54 am

    • “Unlimited income”.

      It sounds the kind of leaflet you get through the door along with pizza and Sky ads.

      Which all go straight in the Wheelie Bin.

      It’s pathetic that an employment site has this on it.

      Andrew Coates

      August 7, 2013 at 3:26 pm

      • I know love, why can’t blooming postman just post them blooming leaflets straight in yon wheelie bin.

        Brenda Barnstubble

        August 7, 2013 at 8:22 pm

  17. Thought people here might like this news link as it appears those on benefit aren’t the only ones to get spied on

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384825/Private-investigator-fitted-GPS-tracker-999-workers-car-sick-leave-service.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-23595931

    It would appear no one has a right to privacy in this country ?

    gaia

    August 7, 2013 at 3:03 pm

  18. Normally the only true facts u will find in the “Daily Mail” are the date and the page numbers. This is going to be a “set ’em up and knock ’em down story”. However, I do take your point.
    With all deference to our host who is a journalist’. We rely on the press to tell it like it is.

    Windmill1

    August 7, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    • I use to back in the day not to many years after leaving school, supplement my income during summers with a bit of PI and process serving. Ive seen over the years how PI work has gone from being the toy of the rich to an everyday tool used on everyday people.

      If I follow you, its deemed stalking, an invasion of privacy, etc, but PIs get treated like the police in this respect which is wrong I feel yet no one challenges it.

      Tracking the life of a worker that’s suspected of moonlighting while claiming sick or manipulating the terrorist act to catch fly tippers is a step to far, especially when you consider the cost of the PI service in the first place.

      Whats interesting about this case is its not like the company cant claim back the sick pay through their taxes as lets face it if she did moonlight its not like any would know so to bring in a PI suggests a far deeper reason. A reason I suspect their hoping doesn’t get found out.

      PIs work on orders, they don’t operate anything before consulting the client first so you can imagine my surprize at the entrapment technics employed. They obviously found nothing incriminating so turned the screws trying to ensure guilt and that is wrong and in my opinion criminal.

      This case shouldn’t be locked away as it seems now, it should be examined purely because entrapment was used so looking at the evidence we could find out at what point this was introduced during the chain of evidence already gathered. If as I suspect it was after sufficient evidence proved contrary to the clients view, then charges need to be brought to both the employer and PI company.

      This as we know will never happen, it will continue and continue and continue with only the famous (press scandal) getting justice and before any say it £11’000 hush money is not justice, its the victim caving in to the lure of money over true justice.

      Take this JCP thing with UJ, they want to openly track your every movement as regards jobsearch, is it because they care or is it something else ?

      gaia

      August 8, 2013 at 8:00 am

  19. I take your point. I am seeing my “advisor” at JC+ tomorrow. What she knows about finding a job u could reasonably write on a “fag packet”. Like anyone I do not like to be judged just ‘cos I am unemployed. My late father in law used to say they are “dressed in a little brief authority” (quoting Shakespeare, Measure for Measure, look it up, if u want)..Answers on a postcard please ..not really.

    Windmill1

    August 8, 2013 at 5:31 pm

  20. I’ve found out 2 things about UJM today

    1. The DWP have admitted their UJM system has vulnerabilities

    You asked for a copy of the Log in Presentation. This information (together with page 24 of
    Learning Product 05 is being withheld under the exemption in Section 31(1) (a) of the Freedom
    of Information Act. This is being applied because the information, if disclosed, could assist
    those intent on undermining the Department’s information security arrangements. Disclosure
    would also prejudice the Department’s efforts to protect information in general and personal
    data in particular, as it could expose vulnerabilities in the Department’s data handling
    procedures that could be exploited for criminal purposes. Section 31 exempts from disclosure
    information which would or would be likely to prejudice the prevention or detection of crime. I
    believe that releasing a copy of the Log in presentation into the public domain could facilitate
    the commission of an offence by rendering the Department’s systems vulnerable to attack.
    The exemption in Section 31 is a qualified exemption and therefore I have considered the
    public interest. There is a public interest in understanding that there are robust arrangements
    in place for the management of information risks, and that the public can have confidence in
    those arrangements. There is also a public interest in maintaining confidence that this
    Department has policies and procedures in place to deal with threats which may compromise
    the security of the Department’s information.
    At the same time, there is a public interest in ensuring that the prevailing particular threats to
    information are identified, and measures put in place to mitigate those threats, and that they
    are dealt with appropriately. In most situations, the best interests of those potentially affected
    will be served by not making these threats – or the strategies and measures which the
    Department has deployed to address those threats – public. There is also a clear public interest
    in ensuring that potential vulnerabilities in systems or processes can be addressed without
    exposing them publicly, and thereby providing an avenue by which those intent on doing harm,
    or committing illegal acts, might exploit those vulnerabilities

    2. The DWP have plans to mandate UJM access eventhough is can’t be done without user data protection act consent.

    I would also like a copy of information held that concerns any DWP future possibility to
    make DWP access to individual’s Universal Jobmatch accounts on a mandatory basis
    or via a Jobseeker’s Direction or Claimant Commitment?

    Having considered your third request (in bullet three above), the Department is not required to
    disclose this information because we believe that sections 35 and, where relevant, 42 of the

    Having considered your third request (in bullet three above), the Department is not required to
    disclose this information because we believe that sections 35 and, where relevant, 42 of the
    Freedom of Information Act apply.

    This policy is still being developed. The Department considers that the balance of public
    interest weighs in favour of non-disclosure. This is because the Act acknowledges that good
    government depends on good decision making and therefore needs space in which to
    formulate policies based on the best advice available with full consideration of all the options.
    Ministers also need to be able to conduct rigorous and candid risk assessments of their
    policies and programmes including considerations of the pros and cons without there being
    premature disclosure which might close off other, better options.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/learning_product_05_log_in_prese#incoming-417864
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/universal_jobmatch_mandation_to#comment-41949

    Yarbs

    August 8, 2013 at 10:43 pm

  21. Thank you “Yarbs” that was a long but necessary explanation. Even they know they are open to challenge. It will cost a lot. Where do we get the funds? The very late Lord Lloyd wrote “the law is open to everyone, just ;like the Ritz”. I am not negative just open to the art of the possible. We should not give up. How to achieve?
    Regards
    Nick

    Windmill1

    August 9, 2013 at 8:04 pm

  22. correction “the law like the Ritz is open to all”. I read his book on “Jurisprudence” many years ago. It might amuse on a Friday? He wrote a dedication in that tome “for my mother and father”. Underneath one student wrote “thanks son, its just what we wanted”

    Windmill1

    August 9, 2013 at 8:17 pm

  23. If you feel Universal JobMatch is a real disappointment, and is the worst recruitment website in the UK, please nominate it for the Wooden NORA in the National Online Recruitment Awards.
    http://norauk.com/the-wooden-nora/

  24. It is abysmal. Truly truly abysmal. I’d have better look finding a job by standing on a street corner.

    ronald mcdonald

    November 7, 2013 at 7:53 pm

  25. I find that sometimes with uk local you canot upload your cv with the application that means trying to copy and paste

    confused

    November 21, 2013 at 1:52 pm

  26. Que Consultants, Secret Recruit, Search Job Vacancies, Connect Recruitment Solutions, MF Training and Recruitment Solutions, Thomas Reilly…all of these (and probably many MANY more) are FAKE job advertisers on UJ. They use the UJ site in order to generate webhits for their own s**tty sites. Absolute parasitical vermin, preying on the poor and vulnerable in order to turn a quick buck.

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  29. Having been the victim of a data protection breach after attending a course run by a private sector company under contract to the DWP, I have steadfastly refused to open a Universal Jobmatch account without penalty. However, in the last year I have applied for three vacancies on the site through the hyperlink connection from the UJ website, only to later receive a security alert from Google advising me that the respondent / recipient had failed their fraud detection checks. Either they are failing to check that those placing vacancies are legitimate employers / agencies, or fraudsters are gaining access through the hyperlink connection.

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