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Especially Stupid Sanctions.

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Especially Stupid Sanctions.

We congratulate Birmingham Against the Cuts for this, which the Daily Mirror reproduced a couple of days ago.

System not doing its job.

Being sanctioned – losing your benefits over an apparent ­misdemeanour – is commonplace.

I’ve had many letters from people trapped in a Kafka-esque nightmare – pushed to food banks, loan sharks, hunger and sometimes ­homelessness by a “computer says no” system.

Some sanctions can last months.

So, thanks to Birmingham Against The Cuts for producing A Selection of Especially Stupid Sanctions.

All of the below are true stories and are fully sourced at www.birminghamagainstthecuts.wordpress.com.

1. You attend a work programme interview, so you miss your job centre appointment – SANCTION

2. You apply for more jobs than required in your agreement but forgot to put down that you checked the local paper – SANCTION

3. It’s Christmas Day. You don’t do any job search, because it’s Christmas Day – SANCTION

4. You get an interview, but it’s on the day of your nan’s funeral. You have three interviews the day before and you try to rearrange the ­interview, but the company reports you to the job centre – SANCTION

5. You get given the wrong forms and fill them in – SANCTION

6. You have a job interview that overruns, so you arrive at your job centre appointment nine minutes late – SANCTION

7. You retire on the grounds of ill health and claim Employment and Support Allowance. You go to your assessment and during it have a heart attack, so the nurse says she has to stop the test – SANCTION

8. You get a job, isn’t that great? The job doesn’t start for two weeks, so you don’t look for work in those two weeks – SANCTION

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Written by Andrew Coates

July 26, 2013 at 9:44 am

Posted in Cuts, DWP, Sanctions, Welfare Reform

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  1. This is just compeletly stupid and they shouldn’t been done this way.

    Carl Lawrence

    July 26, 2013 at 10:19 am

  2. ****RECORD ALL YOUR SIGNINGS AND INTERVIEWS!****

    1. To protect myself from sanction-happy JCP advisers, I now record all my signings/interviews. I have found through bitter experience that if you are sanctioned or a sanction doubt is raised against you, the decision maker believes the Jobcentre by default.

    This is the FOI link for Recording by claimants during interviews, telephone calls etc.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/167004/response/405790/attach/html/3/Recordings%20by%20claimants1.pdf.html

    2. This is the letter I sent. You may want to add your own reasons for recording your signings. For example: advisor bullying you to sign up to UJM or pestering you for access to your UJM account. And so on.

    Dear ******

    I am writing to advise you that as of the ******, which is my next signing day, I intend to record all my signings/interviews/telephone conversations with the DWP Jobcentre Plus. This will be done via a digital recording device. The recording device will not be visible to the adviser.

    My reason/s for doing this are as follows.

    Recent reports in the media seem to suggest that Jobcentres have been setting targets and league tables to sanction benefit claimants. And that staff are being warned by managers that they will be disciplined unless they increase the number of claimants referred to a tougher benefit regime.

    Furthermore, reading comments made by claimants on various Internet forums, it would appear that some JCP advisers do not know exactly what they are allowed/not allowed to say to claimants, particularly regarding Universal Jobmatch. Some even appear to be making it up as they go along, either through ignorance or just sheer frustration.

    When a claimant is sanctioned or a sanction doubt is raised against them, decision makers tend to believe the DWP by default. Being sanctioned or having a sanction doubt raised against me will cause me considerable financial hardship. Consequently, recording my signings/interviews will ensure that there will be no misunderstanding as to what or wasn’t said between myself and an adviser .

    If my signing/interview takes place in an open plan area, I may accidentally record other claimants’ personal information. To ensure this does not happen you may want to use a private interview room.

    I must stress that these recordings are for my personal use only and will not be published on the Internet. They will only ever be heard by a third party if used as evidence in an appeal should I ever be sanctioned or if a sanction doubt is raised against me.

    I would be grateful if you would write to me confirm receipt of this letter.

    Yours sincerely

    **********

    3. Insist they write back to you. The following link may be of some help. It is for a Jobcentre publication called “About Jobcentre Plus (Our Service Standards)”. You can also get a copy from your local Jobcentre as well. In the back is a feedback form with tick boxes where you can state the nature of your feedback, i.e. a complaint, and how you want them to reply to you, i.e. by letter. Staple this form to your letter. Address the letter to the office manager. Ask for their name at the reception; they are obliged to tell you who it is.

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@benefits/documents/digitalasset/dg_202270.pdf

    4. For whatever reason, some Jobcentre managers may decide not to inform their staff that they are being recorded. To ensure that your adviser is on-message when you sign, advise them that the signing/interview is being recorded and give them a copy of the following letter. When I showed it to the adviser at my last signing, she freaked. She couldn’t wait to get rid of me. She asked me if I’d done any work in the last two weeks and if my circumstances have changed at all, and then it was a case of: OK mate, off you fuck!

    Dear JCP Adviser,

    I wrote to your manager on the ****** to advise them that I intended to record all my signings and interviews with the DWP, and I explained why. This will be done via a digital recording device. The recording device will not be visible to you.

    If my signing/interview takes place in an open plan area, I may accidentally record other claimants’ personal information. To ensure this does not happen you may want to use a private interview room.

    I must stress that these recordings are for my personal use only and will not be published on the Internet. They will only ever be heard by a third party if used as evidence in an appeal should I ever be sanctioned or if a sanction doubt is raised against me.

    Yours sincerely,

    **********

    5. To reinforce your message, email it to your Jobcentre as well. You may also want to send a copy to the JCP district manager.

    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/managers-by-region.pdf

    The Helping Hand

    July 26, 2013 at 10:50 am

  3. I record everything too. It is good to have such evidence, but I have not read of anyone actually capturing incriminating audio who has used it to successfully avoid a sanction, or win an appeal based on a recording. Though there may well have been a few, just that we don’t know this.

    Audio would only come into play at a tribunal stage really, And one would have to provide a transcript in the first instance apparently. If the recorded evidence is particularly damning and isn’t just words that are ‘open to interpretation’ then one would have a strong case for using it as evidence.

    It will depend on what the recording captures. I have audio of myself being blackmailed by a WP adviser who was using the denial of my travel costs – which I had to pay in advance out of my pocket – to get my electronic CV and another document that was nothing to do with them.

    I managed to sort that out there and then after about half an hours asserting myself to the manager. They then gave me my fares and put a sanction doubt in.

    I did not get sanctioned for this. I guess that means they have no right to a electronic CV.

    I think we knew this.

    Currently under sanction due to the jobcentre not liking the fact that there aren’t many jobs out there to apply for. Not finding anything now sanctionable too. Hmmm?

    My appeal form has been sent.

    Stay strong people.

    Mr No

    July 26, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    • Lets get this CV thing to bed shall we.

      The CV is on the most part PERSONAL DATA and POSSIBLY SENSITIVE DATA except for hobbies, job description and profile unless these also contain personal and or sensitive data.

      PERSONAL DATA is anything which identifies you as an individual, either on its own or by reference to other information. It can include expressions of opinion about you.

      Personal data is defined in the DPA (at section 1(1)), as “data which relate to a living individual who can be identified from those data; or from those data and other information which is in the possession of, or is likely to come into the possession of, the data controller and includes any expression of opinion about the individual and any indication of the intentions of the data controller or any other person in respect of the individual”.

      The DPA recognises that some types of personal information are more sensitive than others and imposes additional requirements for processing sensitive personal data. This increased level of protection is in line with the case law on Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (the right to privacy), in which some forms of information – such as medical records – are more protected than others.

      The DPA defines SENSITIVE PERSONAL DATA as PERSONAL DATA consisting of information as to:-

      (a) a person’s racial or ethnic origin;
      (b) his political opinions;
      (c) his religious beliefs or other beliefs of a similar nature;
      (d) whether he is a member of a trade union;
      (e) his physical or mental health or condition;
      (f) his sexual life;
      (g) the commission or alleged commission by him of any criminal offence; or
      (h) any criminal proceedings for any offence committed or alleged to have been committed by him, the disposal of such proceedings or the sentence of any court in such proceedings.

      Data from which an implication of criminal conduct could be drawn could count as sensitive data.

      So hopefully now people can see why their CV is mostly PERSONAL AND SENSITIVE DATA and as such PROTECTED UNDER BOTH DPA AND HRA ARTICLE 8.

      The DATA CONTROLLER is a person who (either alone or jointly or in common with other persons) determines the purposes for which and the manner in which any personal data are, or are to be, processed.

      Example: If you give me your CV I am whats known as a second party and as such must become a or appoint a DATA CONTROLLER and outline how I intend to process your data.
      ME THE SECOND PARTY HANDING OUT YOUR SAID DATA TO A THIRD PARTY IS STILL CONSIDERED PROCESSING OF DATA AND AS SUCH AS DATA CONTROLLER I MUST ALSO RELAY THIS TO THE DATA HOLDER (YOU IN THIS INSTANCE).

      So if you send your CV from your own email account to a potential employer, that potential employer becomes a SECOND PARTY but if like in the case of the UJ site you make and or sign an agreement for this site and then apply to a potential employer, that employer becomes a THIRD PARTY. Now by clicking send UNLESS you stipulate on the sent CV to this potential employer your intent as regards your data in respect to DPA, that potential employer becomes a SECOND PARTY to that data also.

      SECOND PARTIES HAVE UNDER DPA CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS BUT THIRD PARTIES DONT. EXEMPTIONS ARE LEGAL REASONS A SECOND PARTY CAN GIVE IN ORDER TO REFUSE TO CARRY OUT YOUR ACTION UNDER DPA.

      Now without expecting any replies I bet not a soul was told that before SIGNING UP TO THIS UJ SITE.

      THIS IS WHY THEY CANT MAKE YOU EVEN UNDER THREAT OF SANCTION UPLOAD YOUR CV.

      (For those that have been sanctioned JCP will nodoubt try and cling you the general rule that is so far that they candidate didn’t do enough to search for work so I ordered them to under jobseekers direction to and they refused). They WONT PUT DOWN THE ACTUAL REASON that you made a reasonable and legal request under law WHICH UNLESS THEY CAN FIND A LAW AGAINST OR LEGAL EXEMPTION MUST, I REPEAT MUST ADBIDE BY. Make sure this REASON IS HIGHLIGHTED WHEN YOU SUBMIT YOUR VERSION OF EVENTS.

      gaia

      July 27, 2013 at 10:05 am

      • Just to correct a mistake:

        A person joins UJ, the site itself becomes a SECOND PARTY in respect to your non personal and sensitive data and DWP/JCP become SECOND PARTY TO ALL DATA AS THEY ARE THE NOMINATED DATA CONTROLLER.

        As you are applying through the site or should I say someone elses service the potential employer becomes a THIRD PARTY UNLESS YOU APPLY AWAY FROM THIS UJ SITE, say your email account, THEN THE POTENTIAL EMPLOYER BECOMES A SECOND PARTY.

        By clicking send you are basically giving the site authority to through their service to send your data to a THIRD PARTY, namely this potential employer.

        If I wanted to be anal about it, its actually more complicated than that when you factor in whos PC your using, who the internet provider is actually even before signing up to UJ, THE UJ SITE BECOMES A THIRD PARTY HENCE WHY YOU HAVE TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT.

        gaia

        July 27, 2013 at 10:27 am

    • I keep a small notebook (cost: 35 pence) for the same reason.

      Andrew Coates

      July 27, 2013 at 10:54 am

    • This is bloody excellent!! Good on ya. I also intend to do this.

      george

      August 1, 2013 at 7:41 pm

  4. And it’s still going on:

    The victim in this case applied for 6 jobs in a two week period after “agreeing” to apply for 3 per week. But he actually applied for 2 jobs in the first week, and 4 jobs in the second week of his signing period – and BANG, he was hit with a benefit sanction bombshell!

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/unemployed-man-been-left-penniless-2094788

    As I understand it, there is still no requirement to apply for a minimum number of jobs each week, although you still need to do a certain number of “things” each week as listed on your Jobseeker’s Agreement.

    Interesting to note that when the 35 hours rule comes in, it will do absolutely nothing to create one single job!

    Tobanem

    July 27, 2013 at 8:01 am

    • I feel for this claimant but at least its in the press so DWP/JCP cant deny it. I cant believe his evidence has to only be 3 a week as mines 21 but their again probably employment opportunities are far less where he is so balances out maybe.

      As for this 35 hour rule I wouldn’t worry about it as like I said in another post, who gives anyone 30 plus hours a week on a PC and even if they did, it is illegal to track someone unless for criminal purposes. They NEED you to agree to let them track you and you are full within your rights under article 8 HRA to say NO and even though they will try, they are not allowed to force you under any circumstance.

      I know what exemption they will try and claim because well, its more than just a little grey but until then I cant challenge it if at all I do.

      gaia

      July 27, 2013 at 9:20 am

      • Almost forgot to state that through your internet history you can be identified meaning this is also PERSONAL AND SENSITIVE DATA so AGAIN COMES UNDER DPA.

        I will demonstrate it anytime IDS wants to argue against it as it ticks the box for what constitutes under definition of law what personal and sensitive data is and as such is conditioned to DPA regulation and ICO scrutiny.

        gaia

        July 27, 2013 at 10:32 am

  5. Can anyone answer this question;

    You find a job on UJM, you bring up the job ad page, you click on the orange apply button.

    This sometimes takes you to an exteral website to allow you to fill in an online application form.

    Once you are done and finished, then you go back to your job ad page, BUT if you look in your application history it doesn’t show up that you have applied for the job, this has happened to me 4 times now.

    How do you get it to show that you have applied for the job in your application history?

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    July 27, 2013 at 11:44 am

    • All I have done is write in the activity history note section the job I have applied for,who the employer is and the job id number.Of course,there is still no actual evidence of the application recorded,so you could just make anything up.At the jobcentre I was told I could use the activity section as evidence of applying for jobs so that is what i give them.Unless someone else here knows how to actually make UJM record these external jobs.

      ck

      July 27, 2013 at 4:19 pm

      • That website needs to be redesigned etc now, beacuse it is crap and almost useless.

        Carl Lawrence

        July 27, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    • Make a note of the Job ID and Job reference number plus details jobtype and date posted etc in your activity history.

      james

      July 28, 2013 at 11:37 am

      • that was for ck

        james

        July 28, 2013 at 11:38 am

  6. had a brown letter again today about me not going to the wp for a hole 2 years just got fucked off so told them on the back of the letter they send out that i dont go and there is no help advice or training that these 3rd party private company’s offer the long term unemployed and i have no contract with the provider anyway

    from march 2013 my jsa wil be 71.70 a week

    this is because we recently told you that a decision would be made about a doubt:

    on whether you failed to comply with the requirements of the scheme/ black dot next to this
    to which you have been referred.

    we have now decided that
    this doubt no longer applies.

    so i win again 🙂 but when i last signed on i asked about my sanction and there was nothing on there computer, seems all my sanctions have been wiped of the system as the last 1 i had was 3 years ago? now,none of my wp sanctions are no longer on there system not even the one i got the letter for saying i won my latest doubt???

    super ted

    July 27, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    • Not your victory super ted but these sanctions disappearing sounds fishy to me as a committee is dew to be set up to look at the process and the types of punishment administered (Conservatives are trying to force labour to support new rules for MWA and as a result if they agree will conduct the committee earlier rather than later).

      I hope their not destroying evidence as yours sounds like a continuous error of justice so to disappear would mean one less constant failure and possibly an abuse of the systems procedures. Records I thought under law were meant to be kept for something like 4 to 6 years.

      To keep coming after you and then stopping sounds odd in the light of recent events. I would ask where they’ve gone and why are they not still on record as evidence to improper procedure in regards to sanctioning now its beyond doubt you were innocently convicted.

      gaia

      July 28, 2013 at 8:23 am

      • Out of interest to come after someone more than twice for no valid and legal reason is considered under criminal law harassment and if handled improperly could also amount to an abuse of power and position which again is a criminal offence.

        If this is or was the case, do you intend with the evidence you have to report it to the police?

        gaia

        July 28, 2013 at 8:29 am

  7. “A previous article discussed Thatcherism. It’s Chicago School fundamentalism writ large. It’s financial terrorism. It’s hugely exploitative.”

    “It’s forced-fed austerity. It’s corporate welfare. It’s mass privatizations. It benefits business and society’s wealthy. It’s government of, by, and for privileged elites alone.”

    http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/escalated-thatcherism-in-britain/53719/

    Annos

    July 27, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    • As clever as thatcher was, I believe she scored 166 on the IQ, she merely embraced an idea, she didn’t invent it. That jewel in the crown goes to one Milton Friedman from oh no you guessed it, the good old USA (Did notice the “Chicago School fundamentalism” bit Annos).

      The enemy at the door is and has always been the Milton Friedman model of CAPITALISM and any that fancy a bite size introduction to it might wish to watch C4s shock doctrine based on the writing of author NAOMI KLEIN

      Thatcher sounded the be all you can be card without noting the side effects, that of which is where does the money come from. In a nutshell FOR EVERY WINNER THEIRS A LOSER and for the most part that was the exploitation of third world countries and dictatorship but the wells run dry so you are the target while governments draw plans to seize wealth from the remaining eastern countries such as IRAN.

      But just like every good recipe you need more than just one ingredient so say hello to our old friend FASCISM. Now this brand is so, so popular that most major countries already have it mapped from such mentors as HITLER to name but one.

      Again not wishing to unload heavy homework heres another bite size vid, see if you can see any similarities to todays life.

      I HEAR YOU ANNOS, I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.

      gaia

      July 28, 2013 at 7:10 am

      • If I said most of 63.5 million UK citizens were dumb would you shout me down ?

        Well listen to this first then make up your mind.

        I say most of all this amount are stupid BECAUSE if you ever want a political party to get you out of a MAJOR CRYSIS then why choose conservative in coalition with the liberals as in both world wars slow decisiveness has cost huge amounts of lives what with the liberals (H. H. Asquith) being responsible for the first and conservatives (Neville Chamberlain) the next.
        Worthy of note David Lloyd George also a liberal who succeeded H. H. Asquith formed a coalition government and guess WHO with, yep you guessed it, non other than the CONSERVATIVES.

        Memory obviously isn’t a liberals strong point as the last time they paired with the TORIES, they turned around and disowned them and stole parliament when the party was at its weakest point.

        Now moving ahead and back to the iron lady Thatcher had she had not had the good fortune of the falklands along with flogging off a lions share of public sectors I don’t doubt that she would have been succeed by LABOUR as was Winston Churchhill by Clement Atlee after the last world war and in both instances unemployment was high.

        So before anyone throws stones at the notion lets not forget one Tony Blair Who during his reign got long term unemployment down to record levels with when taken over having Gordon Brown with the lowest claimant count TOTAL ever I believe.

        gaia

        July 28, 2013 at 8:03 am

  8. “200,000 victims of Equitable Life collapse may miss out on compensation after Atos slips up again”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/money/spend-save/200000-victims-of-equitable-life-collapse-may-miss-out-on-compensation-after-atos-slips-up-again-8732807.html

    Annos

    July 28, 2013 at 2:10 am

  9. If this is or was the case, do you intend with the evidence you have to report it to the police?

    i got all the paper work for the sanctions i have received and won just waiting for my exit report to see what they put on it as it will be all made up so there fucked big time.

    got 3 weeks left on the wp and all i have had as far as help to find work is nothing for 2 years and the local jcp has turned off all of the job points and put signs on them to use ujm and will offer no iad for job searching, was told to do a 35hrs job search at my local library when uc comes in, i just cant believe jcp staff are that fucking stupid if they start sanction ppl not not having a pc to job search for 35hrs a week the jcp will be a war zone

    super ted

    July 28, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    • yes the public library limit you to two hours a day. thats 14 hours a week

      mr z

      July 28, 2013 at 1:11 pm

      • your library opens saturday and sunday???? bank holidays? xmas?

        Our library (I’m banned so it doesn’t affect me) give half an hour on a two month waiting list, and if you are double booked or there’s a power failure or crash, it gets cancelled. You can’t get one that is under 2 months after your last one. The computers are broken often, with chairs often broken.

        Things you are not allowed to do:
        -Insert any device or file into the computer
        -Use banned sites such as Jobcentre and UJM
        -Write a text document (eg CV)
        -Use a lot of private employment agency sites as it classes them ‘commercial’ and bans them

        (but apparently watching skateboarding cats for half an hour is fine)

        Other sites with internet access:
        I’m too old for youth clubs or centres, too young for elderly ditto. I’ve finished WP so can’t use theirs any more. Local community centres with access all shut by Tory cuts. Internet cafe: not open when I’m available, no accessible chairs, can’t afford in a month of Sundays. Open when I’m actually required to be at JCP on jobpoint machines.

        Dumb things they suggest:
        Get your NHS treatment at midnight instead of Friday mornings
        Stop taking the above (um I NEED it you divs)
        Say you’re underage and go to a youth place (um that’s lying! could be done for fraud or even accused of being paedo)
        Get a computer (with what money? landlord wouldn’t connect it and if he did would charge £30 monthly extra on my rent, HB would be stopped and I’d be evicted)
        Buy other things than food so you can afford internet cafe
        (still has stools I can’t sit on as they’re too high, still not open at right time; and what would I do without food?)
        Eat less food (you mean eat no food)
        Get rid of your disabled bus pass because people don’t hire crips (yes and then travel with what? trying to get me to deny I’m disabled)

        MORONS!

        something survived...

        July 28, 2013 at 9:49 pm

  10. This 35 hours search lark is an absolute joke and designed purely as shock and awe, seriously guys think about it what with elections just around the corner.

    For a start they have committed a small fortune to the under 24s so spending more if they have some will wreck their yearly budget figures. On the otherside they either want you at your cost or a non profit organisation at their cost to foot this bill for this so called 35 hour search which aint going to happen I suspect right about now.

    Then we have the conservatives applying pressure to Labour to endorse new MWA rules or they will deliberately delay setting up a committee to look at the procedure and records of sanctioning todate under this current coalition.

    All in all the CONS are sweating as one of their major flagship policies is hitting the pan and the taxpayer is staring to take note its just rather sad that in the melee that the conservatives will either find reasons to lower the claimant count (this 35 hour search in conjunction with mass sanctions) or get us all on MWA just so we don’t show up in the inactive/claimant count figures rather than actually sort the problem which I suspect by now they have learnt that they cant as well lets face it that the tories are no good at such things as welfare, or at least that’s what records suggest.

    If claimants keep sticking the boot in as the tories have to the claimants then we stand a good chance of securing that conservatives don’t get a second tour when factored to the failing health reforms.

    If your listening IDS even with 35 hours search and or MWA, your still going to have the same figures next year as well you haven’t created any jobs or persuaded employers to give the longterm a chance so that coupled with the fact that we are all broke as a joke means we are all going nowhere anytime soon.

    gaia

    July 28, 2013 at 2:39 pm

  11. and i do a 35hr a week job search anyway and put it on my job search, just to piss of the jcp staff when i sign on haha:)

    im off to the ujm site to post some fake jobs so that i can apply for to put on my 35r job search 😉

    takes me 35hrs a week just to log in to the fucking thing anyway god help us when all this rolls it to 1 the jcp are screwed big time.

    super ted

    July 28, 2013 at 3:22 pm

  12. This 35 hour thing is just rubbish, it is very hard for anyone to do that much of jobsearch. I go for more jobs than I need to every week, but I do not put it all on my jobsearch form. Lets hope this 35 hour rule thing does come in to form as it will not simply work. It will only make matters worse.

    Carl Lawrence

    July 28, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    • “I go for more jobs than I need to everyweek”, Now that’s a first Carl, ive never heard that a person can apply for to much work, im sure JCP will disagree with you on that point ?

      Im going to take the line that you mean , more than your jobseekers agreement requires you to prove as evidence that your actually looking for work.

      Look as we already know you cant effectively search for work on just one jobsite so how does anyone actually think they are going to track you exactly, as I would like to know what does stand as evidence as towards a 35 hours weekly search.

      Your need a time stamp of the whole affair, someone please explain how this is going to happen short of going through one site which actually lowers your chances of seeking employment meaning your not fulfilling your jobseekers agreement.

      Then you have to factor in the claimants ability to search effectively in the first place as most I see (please don’t take offence) aren’t exactly fast and don’t use their documents and emails effectively. On the other side of the fence if you are fast then it wont take 35 hours to apply to just new jobs as you would have already posted the old ones or soon will at 35 hours search a week.

      Its so unworkable I laugh at the very person who thought it up, what a tit.

      gaia

      July 29, 2013 at 6:36 am

  13. That’s 12 hrs. Mr Z The Library doesn’t open on Sunday and in some areas they are even more restricted.

    Carol Joyce

    July 28, 2013 at 4:58 pm

  14. something survived… :
    your library opens saturday and sunday???? bank holidays? xmas?
    Our library (I’m banned so it doesn’t affect me) give half an hour on a two month waiting list, and if you are double booked or there’s a power failure or crash, it gets cancelled. You can’t get one that is under 2 months after your last one. The computers are broken often, with chairs often broken.
    Things you are not allowed to do:
    -Insert any device or file into the computer
    -Use banned sites such as Jobcentre and UJM
    -Write a text document (eg CV)
    -Use a lot of private employment agency sites as it classes them ‘commercial’ and bans them
    (but apparently watching skateboarding cats for half an hour is fine)
    Other sites with internet access:
    I’m too old for youth clubs or centres, too young for elderly ditto. I’ve finished WP so can’t use theirs any more. Local community centres with access all shut by Tory cuts. Internet cafe: not open when I’m available, no accessible chairs, can’t afford in a month of Sundays. Open when I’m actually required to be at JCP on jobpoint machines.
    Dumb things they suggest:
    Get your NHS treatment at midnight instead of Friday mornings
    Stop taking the above (um I NEED it you divs)
    Say you’re underage and go to a youth place (um that’s lying! could be done for fraud or even accused of being paedo)
    Get a computer (with what money? landlord wouldn’t connect it and if he did would charge £30 monthly extra on my rent, HB would be stopped and I’d be evicted)
    Buy other things than food so you can afford internet cafe
    (still has stools I can’t sit on as they’re too high, still not open at right time; and what would I do without food?)
    Eat less food (you mean eat no food)
    Get rid of your disabled bus pass because people don’t hire crips (yes and then travel with what? trying to get me to deny I’m disabled)
    MORONS!

    Tell me you have that last part recorded as that’s exactly the type of evidence needed to bring about change.

    COME ON PEOPLE GET THIS RECORDED AS GOVERNMENT WILL CLAIM IT AS FALSE, THAT YOU ARE LYING, IS THAT HOW YOU WANT TO BE TREATED,IS THAT HOW YOU WISH TO BE IGNORED ?

    gaia

    July 30, 2013 at 7:22 am

  15. I am keeping my CV private, and with the bare minimum of personal details.They’ve had so much hassle with that website its become a joke to most who are seriously looking for work on a wage they can actually exist on.

    Recording all phone calls/interviews is now a must with these lovely people.

    george

    August 1, 2013 at 7:45 pm

  16. Hi, Slightly off topic, but I have just logged into my UJM account this afternoon to find that 4 notified jobs have been saved by my advisor. I have been in hospital for 3 days after suffering from a severe epileptic seizure late on Friday night which required medical intervention in order to enter recovery.

    The vacancies that have been saved for me are all over the 90 minutes travel time specified by JCP, with the nearest vacancy being 46miles away. All four vacancies are totally unsuitable for me due to my medical condition. Three of them are for driving roles even though they know I have no driving licence due to epilepsy. The 4th vacancy is for a HVAC (High Voltage electrical) engineer on railway lines, also requiring a driving licence and PTS (Personal Track Safety) certificate which I do not have at present. Also would they seriously expect me with a doctors note for Complex Partial seizures to work with the danger of 25’000 volts around me? I have to be selective about the work I do as I cannot work with machines, high voltages, heights, driving or new water.

    I did not tick the boxes giving permission for my advisor to access my account, yet when I’ve been on there today they were ticked and the CV my WPP did (which is fraudulent to the point of qualifications added/removed) has been added. I have gone back into my profile this afternoon and unticked them again and saved the settings. Have also deleted the WPP CV.

    Since my 1st post WP appointment at JCP in July I have already been sanctioned for not attending an appointment which I did not know about. The letter was handed to me in the Jobcentre when I went in as they had put a non recognised number on.

    Where do I stand with regards to the positions I cannot do? I have composed a complaint directly to the Ombudsman Service and Independent case examiner (as advised by CAB) to be sent by special delivery as I have had no joy with JCP (they advise me to sweep under the carpet and I should be aiming to get back into work, ANY work). I’m totally knackered, not sleeping and the stress from this bullying is probably the main contributory factor to my epilepsy getting worse and putting me in hospital. I have another appointment at the Jobcentre on 6th September at 9am. Then ATOS (who I’ve had to overturn twice already) the following week.

    I think that DWP are making it so unpleasant to claim benefits that people are forced to sign off just to keep their health and sanity. I have already been back into work twice in the last 2 years and both times witnessing my epilepsy has been enough for my employers to comment that I shouldn’t be at work. I don’t cry often but these crooked b***ards have got me in tears.

    chris

    August 18, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    • Send your complaint to the manager at the JCP office you see the adviser at, email a copy as well with subject for attention of the manager also you could get your MP involved by sending them a copy with a short email or letter. the DWP may bounce emails over the weekend so they don’t have many when they get to work Monday, this happened with me, all weekend from Friday night the email was bounced back but got through Monday morning.
      IMO they are trying to hit targets and could have put jobs on they knew you would never apply for because of your medical condition.If any of the jobs involved public service vehicles then you need to be off the meds and seizure free for 10 years. Have you tried the government route planner to see how long the 46 mile journey will take this is evidence they cannot deny as they will say use bus, train, taxi or bike to get to the place, with epilepsy I wouldn’t touch a bike.

      http://www.transportdirect.info/Web2/Home.aspx?cacheparam=8

      The above site is, I believe, that ATOS use to give the suggested route plan to their assessment centre’s.

      Ask the JCP adviser about their public liability insurance if their actions cause you any mental or physical harm. I don’t take it from the DWP/JCP when I had to sign on They were glad to see the back of me when I got ESA, only one of the conditions I have is epilepsy and the meds are a real pain especially the tiredness or the aggression when someone starts an argument.

      I would really be going at both the DWP and JCP office telling them that they are construction a fraudulent case to deny your benefits, I would also take a screen grab of your page showing the un-ticked box in your profile you could also make them aware by email that you don’t give them permission to access your UJM account no matter what it says on the site as it may revert to a ticked box or they may be bypassing the security.

      wildthing666

      September 6, 2013 at 6:36 pm

  17. I do record all mine have done since 2008. My ESA50 informs them of my intention to do so and there is clear evidence that I could be recording in the earpiece and wire going to a pocket. last year I recorded 2 WFI’s, they only called me for 2, the second just to make sure the first was done correctly, as the person originally given the task had an emergency and had to leave, probably was going to give me grief until they read the ESA50 and saw I would be recording. Even in their open plan office, that is possibly why I was taken to the back desk.

    wildthing666

    September 6, 2013 at 5:42 pm

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    nearlydead

    November 6, 2013 at 10:59 am


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