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Work Programme: Work and Pensions Committee Inquiry.

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Work Programme: the experience of different user groups.

Work and Pensions Committee.

Written evidence published online, oral evidence sessions to begin on Wednesday 30 January.

The Work Programme has replaced a number of Government-funded schemes designed to help long-term unemployed people get into work and come off benefits, consolidating support into a single programme which aims to help a wide range of unemployed people. It is delivered through a prime contractor model in which large, often private sector, companies deliver services through supply chains including private, public and voluntary sector specialist organisations.

Providers are paid on a payment-by-results basis, with larger payments available for finding sustainable employment for people who are considered harder to help. Providers are free to decide how best to help Work Programme participants, without prescription from the Government—the so-called “black box” approach.

The inquiry will consider how well this model is working for different categories of unemployed people.

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Written by Andrew Coates

February 3, 2013 at 12:55 pm

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  1. I have just completed first year on work programe in whole year I was given one job to apply for and to add insult it was a job I could not do as you had to be able to drive my provider was shropshire council who I’m afraid just parked me for the whole year the work programe is a joke they give no support they have no jobs to give people employers will employ who they want not who work programe or government want — just a note on bedroom tax and poll tax that from April all unemployed have to pay ex use me when I first made claim and got reply back it stated this is what the LAW SAYS YOU NEED TO LIVE ON it don’t state any where use it to pay these I say to you all do a freedom information request through dwp

    wayne green

    February 3, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    • Hi, I’m currently writing an evaluative report on the Work Programme and I was wondering if you would be willing to complete a short self-completion questionnaire regarding your experiences of it? I would be very grateful and the purpose of the research is to examine people’s experiences first hand. If you are interested or would like to no more about my research please email me at sean.nolan@newcastle.ac.uk and I will forward you the questionnaire. Thanks, Sean.

      Sean Nolan

      February 13, 2013 at 2:11 pm

  2. I have just completed first year on work programe in whole year I was given one job to apply for and to add insult it was a job I could not do as you had to be able to drive my provider was shropshire council who I’m afraid just parked me for the whole year the work programe is a joke they give no support they have no jobs to give people employers will employ who they want not who work programe or government want — just a note on bedroom tax and poll tax that from April all unemployed have to pay ex use me when I first made claim and got reply back it stated this is what the LAW SAYS YOU NEED TO LIVE ON it don’t state any where use it to pay these I say to you all do a freedom information request through dwp asking what your dole money is actually for as it don’t include paying them or using it to go to work programe or to use looking for work IT TO FEED YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES BUT IN APRIL MILLIONAIRES GET A TAX CUT SO DO WE ALL NOT IN WAY THEY DO VOTE EM OUT NEXT TIME PEOPLE ?

    wayne green

    February 3, 2013 at 1:32 pm

  3. also states in human RIghts act NO BODY SHOULD BE FORCED TO DO A JOB THEY DON’T WANT ALSO ACT 8 STATES DON’T INTERFERE WITH A MAN’S OR WOMEN’S CORRESPONDANTS EMAIL OR TELEPHONE CALLS WHEN UNIVERSAL CREDIT COMES IN AND THEY WANT YOU TO SIGN UP TO JOB MATCH IT BREACHES ALL THE ABOVE LAWS PEOPLE REFUSE TO DO IT APPEAL ANY THING THEY SAY YOU MUST DO / NINE TIMES.OUT TEN THIS IS A TOOL THEY USE TO FRIGHTEN YOU IN TO DOING WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO CHECK ARTICLE 8 AND 4 OF HUMAN RIGHTS ACT AND PART WHERE STATES YOU HAVE RIGHT TO PRIVATE AND FAMILY LIFE DON’T GIVE IN PEOPLE IT’S TIME TO STAND TOGETHER LIKE STUDENTS DID WE ARE UNEMPLOYED NOT ASYLUM SEEKERS OR REFUGEES WE HAVE WORKED AND PAVED TAXES THAT’S WHAT I’M BEING PAVED WHAT I PAVED IN TO SYSTEM SO PLEASE DAVID CAMERON YOU AIN’T GIVING ME ANY BODY TAXES EXCEPT WHAT I PAVED IN BEFORE YOU COME TO POWER I HAD A JOB TILL YOU CUT OUR JOBS YOU SCUM BAG THAT’S YOU LOOK AFTER MILLIONAIRES KICK THE POOR THE SICK AND DISABLED STOP GIVING OUR TAXES TO OTHER COUNTRYS WE BE OK IN THIS COUNTRY IT’S YOU MPS WHO ARE WASTING TAX PAYERS MONEY AFTER ALL YOU HAVE NONE OF YOUR OWN DO YOU / ROLL ON END YOUR TERM IN POWER AS IT BE YOUR ONE AND ONLY TIME YOU GET IN YOU SCUM BAGS ALSO WE SEE NONE YOU FIDDLING MPS HAD A ORDER CONFISCATEING ORDER FOR WHAT YOU ALL FIDDLED OFF US THE TAX PAYERS DID WE MAY BE WE SHOULD TAKE OUR CASE TO EUROPEAN COURT TO ASK WHY NONE YOU HAVE HAD THAT DONE YOU FIDDLING BARSTARDS STOP THE ATTACK ON US UNEMPLOYED SICK DISABLED AND ELDERLY TRY SORTING OUT YOUR OWN FIDDLING SCUM BAG MPS FIRST

    wayne green

    February 3, 2013 at 2:05 pm

  4. I’ve been blogging about the Work Programme, though truthfully what is there to say? I’ve had a couple of appointments and no help at all. I’d hesitate to put myexperience forward because there are far more serious cases that need the airtime. I’ve had no help at all.
    The committee has flagged the point that people are not being told what to expect and left ciompletely in the dark when it comes to the programme. This is made worse by the providers hiding behind rules that shouldn’t exist, given that the scheme is meant to be ‘bespoke’ and individually tailored to the customer’s needs. It isn’t at all. In fact each time you deal with them or try and call them on what you were told before they change their story just enough to keep you in the dark.
    In the end all I got were threats. They are meant to be equipped to deal with the customer’s needs, whatever they may be, but when it comes to health issues or emotional/personal/mental health matters at least they dont’ want to know. In fact they aggressively regard you as making excuses while demanding access to personal data and further keeping you in the dark. I was told that, as a JSA claimant, that there’s ‘lots of compliance’ yet noone explained what that was. When I refused to hand over my cv (despite the provider’s own HQ telling me I could) they lost the plot and threatened ‘compliance doubts’. We all know what that means.
    Personally I’m done with it. I can’t deal with being treated that way – and I’m one of the lucky ones. There are people who are right on the knife edge facing destitution as well as people that have been driven to suicide. This country is facing a social crisis it has never seen before and if this committee doesn’t see sense on the Work Programme at least then god help us.

    Ghost Whistler

    February 3, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    • EMPTY THREATS THE DWP WORK PROGRAME USE NINE OUT TEN TIMES THEY AIN’T LEGAL DON’T BE PUSHED AROUND PEOPLE IF UNSURE ASK TIME TO CONSULT LEGAL ADVICE

      wayne green

      February 3, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    • Hi, I’m currently writing an evaluative report on the Work Programme and I was wondering if you would be willing to complete a short self-completion questionnaire regarding your experiences of it? I would be very grateful and the purpose of the research is to examine people’s experiences first hand. If you are interested or would like to no more about my research please email me at sean.nolan@newcastle.ac.uk and I will forward you the questionnaire. Thanks, Sean.

      Sean Nolan

      February 13, 2013 at 2:10 pm

      • Stick questioner on ere as don’t give my email out funny you blog on DWP I’ve never seen you on ere before be carefully people giving out your email to anybody on ere you dont know them or what they will use it for stay safe you would not lend a stranger your car would you don’t be taken in people could be a CON :

        WAYNE

        February 13, 2013 at 2:40 pm

      • YOU AIN’T FROM THE COASTS BY ANY CHANCE ARE YOU SEAN OLD BEAN ?

        WAYNE

        February 13, 2013 at 2:43 pm

  5. Let’s just hope when all the evidence is presented to the work and pensions committee that common sense prevails and Iain Duncan Smith is sacked and the Work Programme is shut down there and then.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    February 4, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    • IT’S MONEY FOR OLD ROPE I DONE FREEDOM INFORMATION REQUEST ASKING WHAT WORK PROGRAMME PROVIDERS GET THE FIRST TIME YOU TURN UP AND WAS SHOCKED TO SEE THAT THEY GET A INITIAL PAYMENT OF 440 POUND WELL IF YOU HAVE 2000 OVER A YEAR ON YOUR BOOKS DON’T TAKE LOT WORKING OUT DOSE IT THEY CAN AFFORD TO PARK US ALL AS THEY GIVE US NO HELP WHAT’S SO EVER IT BE CHEAPER TO PAY US 100 POUND A WK THAN IT WOULD TO PAY THESE WORK PROGRAMME SCAMMERS WHO LIKE THE FIDDLING MPS WHO SCAMMED US TAX PAYERS SHAME ON LOT OF THEM

      wayne green

      February 4, 2013 at 1:31 pm

  6. Wayne Green:

    Here are the figures in detail for what each Private Provider got in start up fees for the first 13 moths of the Work PROGRAMME.

    Work Programme Private Provider Referrals & Fees Received

    1st Figure: Contract Total Referrals
    2nd Figure: Start Up Fee £400
    3rd Figure: Start up Fee Total Received

    Notes: June 2011 until July 2012
    Overall Total: 877.880 x £400 = £351,152,000

    East of England: Ingeus UK LTD 30.930 x £400 = £12,372,000
    East of England: Seetec 30.250 x £400 = £12,100,000
    East Midlands: A4E Ltd 29.260 x £400 = £11,704,000
    East Midlands: Ingeus UK Ltd 29.510 x £400 = £11,804,000
    West London: Ingeus UK Ltd 19.160 x £400 = £7,664,000
    West London: Maximus Emp UK Ltd 18.830 x £400 = £7,532,000
    West London: Reed in Partnership 18.870 x £400 = £7,548,000
    East London: A4E Ltd 26.690 x £400 = £10,676,000
    East London: Careers Development Group 26.630 x £400 = £10,652,000
    East London: Seetec 26.550 x £400 = £10,620,000
    North East: Avanta Enterprise Ltd 27.860 x £400 = £11,144,000
    North East: Ingeus UK Ltd 27.600 x £400 = £11,040,000
    Merseyside, Halton, Cumbria, Lancs: A4E Ltd 28.090 x £400 = £11,236,000
    Merseyside, Halton, Cumbria, Lancs: Ingeus UK LTD 28.110 x £400 = £11,244,000
    Manchester, Cheshire, Warrington: Avanta Enterprise Ltd 19.460 x £400 = £7,840,000
    Manchester, Cheshire, Warrington: G4S 19.330 x £400 = £7,732,000
    Manchester, Cheshire, Warrington: Seetec 19.220 x £400 = £7,776,000
    Scotland: Ingeus UK LTD 43.730 x £400 = £17,492,000
    Scotland: Working Links 43.480 = £17,392,000
    Thames Valley, Hamps, Isle of Wight: A4E Ltd 17.650 x £400 = £7,060,000
    Thames Valley, Hamps, Isle of Wight: Maximus Emp UK Ltd 17.740 x £400 = £7,096,000
    Surrey, Sussex, Kent: Avanta Enterprise Ltd 21.440 x £400 = £8,576,000
    Surrey, Sussex, Kent: G4S 21.500 x £400 = £8,600,000
    Devon, Cornwall, Dorset, Somerset: Prospects Serv Ltd 11.890 x £400 = £4,756,000
    Devon, Cornwall, Dorset, Somerset: Working Links 12.020 x £400 = £4,808,000
    Glouc, Wilts, Swindon, West of England: JHP Group Ltd 11.820 x £400 = £4,728,000
    Glouc, Wilts, Swindon, West of England: Rehab jobfit 11.700 x £400 = £4,680,000
    Wales: Rehab jobfit 22.350 x £400 = £8,940,000
    Wales: Working Links 22.410 x £400 = £8,964,000
    Birmingham, Solihull, Black Country: EOS-Works Ltd 21.800 x £400 = £8,720,000
    Birmingham, Solihull, Black Country: Newc College Group 21.840 x £400 = £8,736,000
    Birmingham, Solihull, Black Country: Pertemps 21.780 x £400 = £8,712,000
    Coventry, Warwicks, Staffs, Manchester: ESG 16.290 x £400 = £6,516,000
    Coventry, Warwicks, Staffs, Manchester: Serco Ltd 16.480 x £400 = £6,592,000
    West Yorkshire: Business Employment Services 21.040 x £400 = £8,416,000
    West Yorkshire: Ingeus UK LTD 21.140 x £400 = £8,456,000
    South Yorkshire: A4E Ltd 13.520 x £400 = £5,408,000
    South Yorkshire: Serco Ltd 13.450 x £400 = £5,380,000
    NE Yorks, The Humber: G4S 13.250 x £400 = £5,300,000
    NE Yorks, The Humber: Newc College Group 13.200 x £400 = £5,280,000

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    February 4, 2013 at 1:45 pm

  7. SO GIVING PEOPLE ON DOLE FLAT 100 POUND A WK WOULD SAVE THEM MILLIONS THEN

    wayne green

    February 4, 2013 at 2:10 pm

  8. Why stop their wayne green,dig deeper and your find that they’ve been drawing from other funds also. Its obvious to all that this isnt about good will so the fact remains is it worth the taxpayers funds in the light of recent data.

    Its obvious its a stats peak chopper, that around only 30 to 40% will ever benefit from it,how many long term (employment exceeding 6mths ) i cannot say but once the figures dip beyond the crysis point (public view and savings made), it will all get packed up.

    Seriously not the Conservatives,nor the DWP/JCP, even provider dare say it but is this work programme or is it not a perfect carbon copy of the FND programme under labour which the coalition touted as ineffectual, do factoring current global financial state, that the percentages of getting people into work over a very generous year (longer than) are about i dont know , THE SAME.

    gaia

    February 4, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    • Hi, I’m currently writing an evaluative report on the Work Programme and I was wondering if you would be willing to complete a short self-completion questionnaire regarding your experiences of it? I would be very grateful and the purpose of the research is to examine people’s experiences first hand. If you are interested or would like to no more about my research please email me at sean.nolan@newcastle.ac.uk and I will forward you the questionnaire. Thanks, Sean.

      Sean Nolan

      February 13, 2013 at 2:21 pm

  9. Nice find Obi Wan but you might want to hold the phone.

    Take Ingeus in the East Midlands, they have i believe 14 offices in 14 different locations that act as providing centres. So then each centre makes say around 843’000 pounds from the original figure meaning each place has around 2108 claimants.

    Now working from the assumption of that the programme works as this post isnt about whether it does or not, a claimant must be seen at least once a week for at least half an hour.

    Now we can assume that means an advisor can see at least 15 claimants a day but we know life isnt perfect so i would imagine around 10 a day. So at 50 a week means each centre needs around 42 advisors. If they all took a salary of 250 then just one branch would spend 546’000 in wages. We also know in this unperfect world that eventually we all get banded into groups meaning less one to one, but on an Ingeus up note means one advisors can now see 8 claimants every 2 hours. So already they have doubled how many they see except if all want advise then they are only given 15 min despite the outward appearance of 2 hours

    So basically the taxpayer pays for a 15min consultation spread over 2 hours at a cost of if we divide this intial 400 per head over the full 2 years we get a fee of £3.84) So as you can see those figures highlight nothing and without argument when taken from the taxpayer is less than a penny so is hardly costly.

    This is a glimpse as i didnt get into office space,electricity and lots of other costings required to run a business. Im sure in places that the amount of claimants seen by just one advisor might be much higher and maybe their still seeing other clients at the same time increasing the head count further. Im sure each place has a different story for varying factors but the question remains that each provider cannot afford to run on just the inital fee, it cant be done and it cant be covered up by the revenue from those lucky enough to gain employment.

    So rahter than chase this intial fee,why not track down the other funds they draw from,how many also come from the taxpayer that their unaware about.

    gaia

    February 4, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    • WHAT A PILE CRAPPY I WAS ON WORK PROGRAM AND MY PROVIDER WAS SHROPISHER COUNCIL I USED TO GO ONCE A FORTNIGHT SAY HI BYE NEVER IN WHOLE YEAR DID THEY DO A THING FOR ME THE ONE JOB VACANCY THEY GAVE ME YOU HAD TO BE CAR DRIVER I DON’T DRIVE IT’S MONEY FOR OLD ROPE OH AND I KEPT JOB VACANCY TO PROVE IN ANY DISPUTE WORK PROGRAM

      wayne green

      February 4, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    • WHAT A PILE CRAP I WAS ON WORK PROGRAM AND MY PROVIDER WAS SHROPSHIRE COUNCIL I USED TO GO ONCE A FORTNIGHT SAY HI AND BYE NEVER IN WHOLE YEAR DID THEY DO A THING FOR ME THE ONE JOB VACANCY THEY GAVE ME YOU HAD TO BE CAR DRIVER I DON’T DRIVE AND THEY KNEW THAT IT’S MONEY FOR OLD ROPE OH AND I KEPT JOB VACANCY TO PROVE IN ANY DISPUTE WORK PROGRAM DOSE NOT WORK IT’S WORSE THAN FND OR ANY OTHER COURSE I HAVE EVER DONE THE WORK PROGRAM CAN NOT MAGIC JOBS UP CAN’T FORCE EMPLOYERS TO TAKE YOU ON GET RID OF REFUGES AND STOP GIVING OUT FREE LABOUR THEN EMPLOYERS WILL HAVE TOO TAKE ON PAID LABOUR ENGLISH JOBS ENGLISH PEOPLE THAT’S THE ANSWER

      wayne green

      February 4, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    • That’s right, the figures are for the overall area in each instance, so you do have to split the figures over a number of offices for each area and provider.

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      February 4, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    • The bastards don’t bother with business legalities, take our Ipswich ‘friends’:-

      * YMCA Training never had planning consent to provide ‘training’ at Dencora House and London Road; traded well over 5 years without obtaining it (If it was a REAL business the council would have made an enforcement action to get the business to cough up within a year)

      * TNG, Princes Street Ipswich, they ran dodging their business rates liability… the biggest irony is the somewhat obvious DEMAND letters were not kept out of sight… anyone could see what they were trying to do

      I am sure they paid up the tax eventually, but not before getting every penny “owed” from the DWP.

      Universal Jobmatch

      February 4, 2013 at 10:30 pm

      • Hi, I’m currently writing an evaluative report on the Work Programme and I was wondering if you would be willing to complete a short self-completion questionnaire regarding your experiences of it? I would be very grateful and the purpose of the research is to examine people’s experiences first hand. If you are interested or would like to no more about my research please email me at sean.nolan@newcastle.ac.uk and I will forward you the questionnaire. Thanks, Sean.

        Sean Nolan

        February 13, 2013 at 2:21 pm

  10. Unusually for the BBC, they are beginning to give coverage to the inequities of the so-called Work Programme. Radio 5’s Sunday morning investigative slot (imaginatively titled Radio 5 investigates) gave over a whole show to the devious methods being employed to get claimants off the unemployment register – namely fraudulently coercing them into going into bogus self-employment in order for the workfare companies to claim their lucrative bonuses.

    The more this is highlighted the more the public will begin to realise what a scam to fleece taxpayers these rotten schemes are. Several listeners texted in to express their surprise at what was going on, stating that they now realised why unemployment is supposedly “falling”.

    The show ended on a sour note, however, when some clown from the “Labour” Party prattled on about how they intend to bully the jobless onto compulsory workschemes under threat of total stoppage of benefits for anyone daring to refuse to sign up.

    Trevor

    February 4, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    • We’ve been asked about this by a number of media and other campaiging groups.

      It’s been around for some time.

      There used to be some system whereby you got paid – or some kind of tax relief – for a period (I think it was 6 months, maybe a year).

      Nobody I know who’s ever done this ever succeeded in establishing themselves as a business.

      The present system hasn’t been taken up by anybody I personally know.

      Everybody knows that Sole Traders go bankrupt all the time.

      Andrew Coates

      February 4, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    • They are still missing the point.

      Its not about the economy.
      Its not about current policy.
      Its not about equality.

      Its about the deceptive providers and corrupt DWP.

      If only you could kill people everyday with the continuous “accidental death” or “lawful killing” verdict… instead of murder, manslaughter, neglect etc.

      It seems these well established people (I say people rather than companies as even the new entrants, aren’t immune to it due to the people they purposely employ with past experience) get away with it all because its a public service contract.

      What am I getting at? Well its good people can’t just go round killing every day, my point however is its always defined as “under performance”… (rather than fraud) providers certain they are providing as DWP have set out… and continuous political “tuning” of such policies to make real changes… doesn’t happen, rotten to the core.

      Providers know how to make the most profit from little work. There is nothing wrong in making a profit, its that they go against delivering the contract they promised in order to make loads of it.

      Anyway keeping this short… the inequalities is the providers get paid handsomely for doing little work, the unemployed on the other hand, don’t.

      Universal Jobmatch

      February 4, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    • Hi, I’m currently writing an evaluative report on the Work Programme and I was wondering if you would be willing to complete a short self-completion questionnaire regarding your experiences of it? I would be very grateful and the purpose of the research is to examine people’s experiences first hand. If you are interested or would like to no more about my research please email me at sean.nolan@newcastle.ac.uk and I will forward you the questionnaire. Thanks, Sean.

      Sean Nolan

      February 13, 2013 at 2:22 pm

  11. On my website currently being advertised from Greater Anglia, “Job Track” … up to 6 free TRAIN returns to help you find work (for interviews of course) and a 2 month season ticket for free if you secure work (I assume you are tied in the latter to buy further tickets)

    Available to unemployed 6 months+

    http://www.greateranglia.co.uk/tickets-fares/discounts/job-track

    No relevance to the post but thought those that didn’t know might be interested.

    Universal Jobmatch

    February 4, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    • IS THAT FREE TRAVEL TO ALL THAT ARE UNEMPLOYED EVEN IF YOU ON WORK PROGRAM PLEASE INFORM US

      wayne green

      February 4, 2013 at 10:13 pm

      • Firstly, you need to be eligible for our scheme. To be able to join up, you must:

        1) Have been unemployed for the last six months (with official proof of unemployment)
        2) Be actively seeking employment with either Job Centre Plus or Ingeus

        Apparently not if you are with Seetec.

        Universal Jobmatch

        February 4, 2013 at 10:59 pm

  12. A4e has tried to make me apply for 3 postman jobs in my area by going on to Royal Mail Careers and each time i have to select the button which says i have NOT applied for a position with them before.I have been told to use a different email address each time i apply.when i get passed the initial registration i then have a prob as it now wants my personal details including N.I number..I have asked my A4e advisor how to procede.As i am sure that it would become apparent that i had LIED on the 1st question…I am waiting for an answer from A4e.I was under the impression that a postman would be required to be honest! OH i should point out that the positions dissappear from Royal mail careers rather quickly only to be replaced by another position in another near by town…can anyone shed some light on this plz

    Leveller

    February 5, 2013 at 10:55 am

    • Not with a provider, But same problems when applying for jobs at post office etc. I can’t get any sense out of post office either.

      demolition man

      February 5, 2013 at 11:16 am

    • That’s what they call mock jobs there ain’t a job its to test to see if you apply for that job when asked to do so

      wayne green

      February 5, 2013 at 11:24 am

      • Wayne:- Does that also go for the vacancies on UJM that are from… CV Warehouse Monster Blue Monkey And CV Library Etc. I have applied to some vacancies [To Benefit Protect] through these sites, as request to I have also requested feed back but never get any

        worried

        February 5, 2013 at 12:28 pm

      • I give you all an example when you go to sign on an advisor gives you a job to apply for sum times its to catch you out when you come back next time to sign they ask did you apply you say yes that’s when they know you a liar as for when on work program it states in human rights act article 8 DO NOT INTERFERE WITH A MAN’S EMAIL HIS CORRESPONDENTS OR HIS TELEPHONE CALLS ALSO ARTICLE 4 STATES NO BODY SHOULD BE FORCED TO TAKE A JOB THEY DON’T WANT WHEN YOU SINGING ON OR APPLYING FOR JOBS ALWAYS PUT ON WORK RECORD OR JOB APPLICATION THIS — DATA PROTECTION ACT APPLIES WHAT THAT DOSE IS STOP EMPLOYERS SHARING ANYTHING WITH DWP ALSO STOPS DWP DOING SAME ALSO WHEN SENT TO DO FREE WORK INSIST ON EMPLOYER RINGING THERE INSURANCE COMPANY TO SEE WHO YOU INSURED WITH TAKING IN TO ACCOUNT YOU AIN’T AN EMPLOYE YOU AIN’T MEMBER PUBLIC YOU AIN’T VOLUNTARILY ASKED TO GO INSIST THEY TELL INSURANCE COMPANY YOU BEING FORCED TO GO HOPE HELPS PEOPLE

        wayne green

        February 5, 2013 at 12:45 pm

      • WAYNE your second post does not answer the 1st question. are jobs posted by cv-library cv-warehouse and monster / blue donkey ”loaded” vacancies ie test vacancies. the poster said he gets no replies to feedbacks etc. do you know ”obi” ?

        ????

        February 5, 2013 at 3:23 pm

      • I WOULD SAY YES BUT BEST WAY TO MAKE SURE IS TO MAKE DIRECT CONTACT WITH COMPANY WHO ARE ADVERTISING JOB VACANCY RING AND DIRECTLY ASK DO THEY HAVE THAT VACANCY IF DO THEN IT BE GENUINE IF NOT THEN IT’S A MOCK DON’T TAKE LOT WORKING OUT DOSE IT ?????????????????

        wayne green

        February 5, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    • Hi, I’m currently writing an evaluative report on the Work Programme and I was wondering if you would be willing to complete a short self-completion questionnaire regarding your experiences of it? I would be very grateful and the purpose of the research is to examine people’s experiences first hand. If you are interested or would like to no more about my research please email me at sean.nolan@newcastle.ac.uk and I will forward you the questionnaire. Thanks, Sean.

      Sean Nolan

      February 13, 2013 at 2:15 pm

  13. ????:

    I have never even gone to the Universal Jobmatch site and have no intention of ever doing so. – Sorry mate.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    February 5, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    • You will when its compulsory MATE you no different to rest of us from April all the rules change

      wayne green

      February 5, 2013 at 6:37 pm

      • If your referring to Universal Credit, it’s going to be introduced in Lancashire only from April 2013, it won’t be rolled out in the rest of the UK until October 2013 – I don’t live in Lancashire.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        February 5, 2013 at 7:42 pm

      • No div universal job match it will become compulsory and then you will do just like the rest of us and sign up so makes no difference dose it April or october when dose you will SIGN UP ????????????

        wayne green

        February 5, 2013 at 7:53 pm

      • Thanks for reminding us Obi, we will be watching Lancashire closely.

        Andrew Coates

        February 6, 2013 at 1:45 pm

      • Universal job match I’m on about no body will be excempt if its made mandorty

        wayne green

        February 6, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    • THANKS FOR THE ADVISE MATE, I WAS WONDERING IF WAYNE GREEN’S SURNAME SHOULD BE KERR RE POSTS 30 32 34 FROM HIM

      ????

      February 6, 2013 at 8:16 am

      • THAT WAS FOR OBIS LAST MSG TO ME

        ????

        February 6, 2013 at 8:39 am

      • But excuse me when universal job match comes compulsory and it will in the end you will join just like rest us you will not get any special treatment no matter who you are u no different from rest of us I say sooner the better it weed out them that are work shy and only reason you could have not to join is its because you don’t want to work ???????

        wayne green

        February 6, 2013 at 10:13 am

      • Hi, I’m currently writing an evaluative report on the Work Programme and I was wondering if you would be willing to complete a short self-completion questionnaire regarding your experiences of it? I would be very grateful and the purpose of the research is to examine people’s experiences first hand. If you are interested or would like to no more about my research please email me at sean.nolan@newcastle.ac.uk and I will forward you the questionnaire. Thanks, Sean.

        Sean Nolan

        February 13, 2013 at 2:23 pm

  14. i wont sign it they said the wp was mandatory and had to do it and it lasted 20 mins

    super ted

    February 5, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    • THAT’S FUNNY I’M ON WORK PROGRAM LIKE THOUSANDS OF OTHERS IN THIS COUNTRY IT’S USUALLY THEM THAT SAY I DON’T DO THAT I DON’T DO THIS ACUTELY DO AS THEY ARE TOLD AND YOU REMIND ME OF BEING ONE THEM SO DO US A FAVOUR DO ONE LET PEOPLE ON ERE GET ON WITH THE FIGHT AGAINST DWP OK THANKS FOR WHAT HELP YOU BEEN ERE NONE

      wayne green

      February 5, 2013 at 8:04 pm

      • For Universal Jobmatch to become mandatory the DWP has to get around The Data Protection Act 1998, The Communications Act 2003 and EU Directives regarding Human Rights – it can’t be done or it would have already been done. Universal Jobmatch will never become mandatory – it’s just a £20 million flop thought up by IDS.

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        February 6, 2013 at 2:57 pm

      • They said that when gal went high court to complain she was being exploited by poundland by being made to work for dole money excuse me high court ruled against her u live I. That bubble u in cause you mark this day it will come mandorty then I hope u will be a man and say doc-WAN you was right and I will be trust me you would never thought that you would have to do free labour but ma.y have YET ARTICLE .4 STATES NO MAN SHOULD BE FORCED TO TAKE JOB THEY DON’T WANT WHAT’S YA ANSWER TO THAT ONE AS YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR EVERY THING TO DO WITH DWP RULES

        wayne green

        February 6, 2013 at 3:06 pm

      • They said that when gal went high court to complain she was being exploited by poundland by being made to work for dole money excuse me high court ruled against herU LIVE That bubble u in cause you mark this day it will come mandorty then I hope u will be a man and say doc-WAN you was right and I will be trust me you would never thought that you would have to do free labour but HUMAN RIGHTS ACT ARTICLE .4 STATES NO MAN SHOULD BE FORCED TO TAKE JOB THEY DON’T WANT WHAT’S YA ANSWER TO THAT ONE AS YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR EVERY THING TO DO WITH DWP RULES

        wayne green

        February 6, 2013 at 3:10 pm

      • Are you drunk or do you have a stutter?

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        February 6, 2013 at 3:18 pm

      • NO NEED TO BE PERSONAL JUST CAUSE U KNOW I’M RIGHT AND JUST LIKE A SMALL CHILD WHEN NAUGHTY YOU IGNORE YOU DON’T FEED THE NAUGHTNESS THAT’S WHAT AM GOING TO DO WITH YOU LATRZ CHILDREN OH AND CASE YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT THIS SITES FOR IT’S FOR RIGHTS OF UNEMPLOYED NOT FOR YOUR STUPID BEHAVER

        wayne green

        February 6, 2013 at 3:24 pm

      • Sounds like you have a ‘everybody pay attention to me complex’

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        February 6, 2013 at 3:34 pm

  15. i won my fight cos im not signing a contract with a 3rd party and there is no law to make me do it either:)

    super ted

    February 5, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    • ”Super Ted” There is another string you could use. I did and it worked for me, I said I don’t understand the document and I want to take it away with me and ask my solicitors to explain it to me. The provider just gave up and said that I did not have to sign, but could come in two or three days a week to use the computers etc. They left me alone after that

      ????

      February 6, 2013 at 3:55 pm

      • ???? :
        ”Super Ted” There is another string you could use. I did and it worked for me, I said I don’t understand the document and I want to take it away with me and ask my solicitors to explain it to me. The provider just gave up and said that I did not have to sign, but could come in two or three days a week to use the computers etc. They left me alone after that

        i just said im never going to sign the paper work with a smile on my face n handed over the wp letter that was on the other site n that was that.. went back with the follow up letter week after n just through it a some woman behind the front desk n said air mail hehe think i put on it if u keep sending me letters ill charge u 1000000 for each 1 as well n that was 2011 i was sent to the wp.

        duno what the jcp is going to say when i been 1 time n 2 years pmsl think ive been scraped rather than parked;)

        super ted

        February 6, 2013 at 8:31 pm

  16. Bottom line is that providers are failing.

    Fallout is that they continue to blame their ‘clients’ for their own miserable performance.

    Only hope is that they all go bust over the next year or two.

    anothergrumpybrit

    February 6, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    • Here here I agree with em going bust as they all don’t find anybody any work they interested only in profit the scum bags just like mps who fiddled tax payers for years

      wayne green

      February 6, 2013 at 12:31 pm

  17. For Wayne Green and others arguing over whether Universal Jobmatch will become “mandatory”.

    Universal Jobmatch is certainly not mandatory at present, nor does it look as though it ever will be, because paragraph 52 of the DWPs Universal Jobmatch “toolkit” states:

    “We cannot specify to a JSA claimant how they provide us with records of their jobsearch activity AND UNIVERSAL JOBMATCH WILL NOT CHANGE THIS”.

    There is also the other matter of cookies, and because legislation exists entirely separate and independent of the DWP to make the use of cookies voluntary, it will not be possible for the DWP to enforce the use of tracking cookies if consent is not granted by any computer user!

    See this link for more information:

    http://www.pcs.org.uk/en/department_for_work_and_pensions_group/dwp-news.cfm/id/78E359C6-7B09-4FC6-98EBD4696432C199

    Tobanem

    February 7, 2013 at 9:25 am

    • Tobanem;- Good Morning, I happen to use a computer {shared use} provided in the community room of my Housing Association flats here in Ipswich. They have disabled and don’t allow cookies. Wonder what UJM would make of that ;0)

      ????

      February 7, 2013 at 10:32 am

      • For ????

        As understand it, UJM won’t function properly with cookies disabled!

        Tobanem

        February 7, 2013 at 1:14 pm

  18. Why not get the Private Providers to cover all costs once a person is referred to them to do the Work Programme – meaning that the DWP pay’s no start up fee’s at all and only pay’s an outcome fee once the Provider has got someone into sustained employment for 18 months or longer.

    The Private Providers will soon lose interest in taking any person on who’s unemployed or disabled.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    February 7, 2013 at 9:41 am

    • I agree with the 18 month plan as stop providers taking the start up fee and then doing jack well that’s a lie in the year I was on work program first year I was given on job vacancy to apply for which I could not apply for – all these providers are interested in is taking start up fee cause if you work out on average if they get 400 pound each person don’t take lot working out dose it over year they taking millions for doing nothing at all be cheaper to tax payer just to have all us doing sum kind work for community and pay us all a fair wage that way tax payers happy community happy job seeker happy be cheaper all round and it be money back in to economy as job seeker will have more to spend unlike providers who will bank there ill gotten gains so I say put it in to action David cameron

      wayne green

      February 7, 2013 at 11:23 am

      • Personally I think if an employer wants to give you a job they will, and we don’t ened more than a minimum introduction on CVS etc.

        Andrew Coates

        February 7, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    • My last post should said I was given one job vacancy in a year and I could not apply as you had to be a car driver for which provider knew but said would look good on paper work they send to DWP I’ve kept this vacancy in case of a DWP dispute

      wayne green

      February 7, 2013 at 11:28 am

  19. I am on JSA and work programme..
    When I went to my first interview with them, I was threatened with a compliance doubt by the manager if I failed to sign the work plan which included aspects of consent to contact employers as well as signing my compliance to future plans that had not been drawn up.. I did not feel it appropriate to agree to this as I did not know what the future plans would be? This was resolved on another day (as I asked for some time to take it home, which they eventually agreed to after A LOT of “discussion”) by me signing the paper including using the words “signed under duress” and giving them a letter explaining my concern. I am single parent and am not prepared to put myself or my children under financial hardship if I was sanctioned and had to appeal the decision.
    I was then given mandated courses to attend despite my discussing them with the “adviser” as I did not think I would “learn” anything from them. I was mandated to go so I felt I had no choice. They are most certainly not tailored to my needs.. There was no attempt to discern whether or not i “needed” these so called training courses. One was about looking at local job market and we had questions such as “who are the largest employers” in the area, Sage advice suggesting we look beyond our immediate locality, I have no doubt that most of us are expected to travel at least 1 hour to work as written in JSA agreement so this seemed mind numbing.. The last one was called something like “guided” job search which again I was mandated to attend/participate, despite me showing evidence of my searches and applications by way of the JSA diary that I have to show every two weeks when i sign on for JSA and despite me pointing out how wasteful it was for the company resources as I already have access to and use my own PC/ at home and there may well be others that would be glad of chance to use their internet..

    I felt these mandated exercises were more about the company “justifying” its existence than about “helping” me back to work. This system is not for my benefit, I have to play a game to make sure i do not get sanctioned whilst I look for work.. its stupid.

    The adviser had phoned me with maybe 4 leads in the past 3months- two of which I had already applied to, one was innapropriate and the other I did apply to but heard nothing back.. I have also been “instructed” to call a potential workplace one we had discussed earlier in another review interview ie that the company had a recruitment drive but the time had passed.. I had actually sent a speculative cv to them before the drive. Nether the less i called them and so they told me the recruitment drive had passed and they had secured all the candidates they needed…..pointless.
    I saw the work programme adviser last monday as per mandated review.. I told her I had a written job offer but no start date yet and (I KID YOU NOT) she started talking about me going on their ” interview” skill training.sigh. Still I took some control back by mumbling I would rather not tell em who i would be working for/job title/wage/ etc when the “adviser” suggested this did not matter, that they would find out via DWP, I gave them another letter saying i do not consent and the “adviser” issued me with yet another mandated letter for a telephone review in a few weeks time.<< this is nothing to do with helping me and all to do with them creating opportunities to get info they need to put claim into DWP.
    I signed on JSA a few days later and have it confirmed that the DWP will only tell them the date I stop making a claim…I have also given them a letter specifying that I withdraw consent to have my employment details shared with 3rd parties, specifically the WP provider..
    I am now looking at how to prevent the WP provider from contacting me for the next 18 months as I feel it an intrution on MY private life as it seems I have no options to say thanks but no thanks.

    wannabeanon

    February 7, 2013 at 2:54 pm

  20. Trevor :
    Unusually for the BBC, they are beginning to give coverage to the inequities of the so-called Work Programme. Radio 5′s Sunday morning investigative slot (imaginatively titled Radio 5 investigates) gave over a whole show to the devious methods being employed to get claimants off the unemployment register – namely fraudulently coercing them into going into bogus self-employment in order for the workfare companies to claim their lucrative bonuses.
    The more this is highlighted the more the public will begin to realise what a scam to fleece taxpayers these rotten schemes are. Several listeners texted in to express their surprise at what was going on, stating that they now realised why unemployment is supposedly “falling”.
    The show ended on a sour note, however, when some clown from the “Labour” Party prattled on about how they intend to bully the jobless onto compulsory workschemes under threat of total stoppage of benefits for anyone daring to refuse to sign up.

    Steven Timms (iirc) was the minister arguing for the ridiculous digital ‘everyone’s a pirate’ bill during labour’s last days. I don’t expect much from someone so unimaginative. Does anyone really think things will improve that much under Labour? They will simply moan like the tories are now that the last government spent all the money and it will be business as usual.
    we need a revolution.
    I was more concerned with the industry representative who simply plainly denied there were problems at all.
    The ‘encouragement’ for people to go self employed without a parachute is nothing new. All these sorts of agencies, now happy to be part of this awful work programme, are all for this sort of thing because it gets them money. It’s another funding stream they can send people through with no regard for whether it’s appropriate. If some people then end up falling foul of the tax credits system…oh well.

    Ghost Whistler

    February 8, 2013 at 11:01 am

  21. super ted

    February 8, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    • But it’s alright for the JCP advisers to keep you waiting 20 mins to sign on when your on time – one rule for them and another for us!

      Obi Wan Kenobi

      February 9, 2013 at 10:43 am

    • I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often.

      Andrew Coates

      February 9, 2013 at 4:48 pm

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    February 9, 2013 at 11:33 am

    • Will you update here once judgement is known?

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      February 10, 2013 at 9:59 am

      • PLEASE PEOPLE DON’T GET EXCITED THAT TUESDAY VERDICT WILL GO IN HER FAVOUR THE COURT WOULD BEEN TOLD DON’T MAKE IN HER FAVOUR AS OUR WORK PROGRAM DEPENDS ON YOU NOT GOING IN HER FAVOUR AND IF ANY BODY BELIEVES THEY WILL IS MAD YES OF COURSE I’M WITH HER ALL THE WAY BUT COURT IN THIS COUNTRY WON’T GO AGAINST GOVERNMENT THEY WILL HAVE TO GO TO EUROPEAN COURT FOR THAT AND I’M WITH HER ALL THE WAY SO PLEASE PEOPLE DON’T GET EXCITED JUST YET WON’T HAPPEN IN OUR COURTS

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