Ipswich Unemployed Action.

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New Form When You Sign On.

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Back of New Form

The previous form, giving your record of job-seeking, has just been changed (again!).

This one comes with a whole list of threats – above.

In Ipswich you often wait for 45 minutes to sign on and hand this kind of form in.

Read it.

Enjoy!

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Written by Andrew Coates

November 9, 2012 at 11:22 am

25 Responses

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  1. And the pressure continues to be applied to people just looking for a fair days pay for a fair days work.

    Let’s just see what happen’s on the 27th November when the DWP have to publish the figure’s for how many people the Private Providers have helped back into work via the Work Programme since it started back in June 2011.

    I saw this figure in one of the Fleet Street newspapers the other day, so far the people referred to Private Provider’s throughout the UK is a staggering 878,000 and if as everybody thinks the figure these Private Providers have actually got into jobs is 3.65% of 878,000 that would equate to only 32,047.

    32,047 out of 878,000 is a piss poor figure proving the Private Providers are taking the mickey out of all the taxpayers, the DWP and most of all the poor gits who have to go to these disgusting places.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 9, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    • I have already noted the 27th of November on the calendar.

      On the form one thing that strikes you is the potential max of 3 years sanctions.

      If you get that, how on earth are you supposed to live?

      Out of dustbins and charity food parcels?

      Andrew Coates

      November 9, 2012 at 4:57 pm

      • This comment is mean’t for amusement only:

        If you get the 3 year sanction, I suppose you could go get a job!!!

        Obi Wan Kenobi

        November 10, 2012 at 11:39 am

  2. From what I now understand you will still be able to claim JSA Hardship payments 60% of normal JSA but it will have to be paid back once your sanction is over and you start getting full JSA again.

    IDS has really got all of this stitched up, bigtime.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 9, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    • so, hardship is now a loan?

      Another great idea from the wonga coalition!

      Ghost Whistler

      November 10, 2012 at 9:19 am

      • Ghost, I suppose it’s the same round your way but the number of pawn shops, ‘credit’ agencies, and all that pay-day loan ‘enterprises’ has grown and grown round Ipswich.

        Andrew Coates

        November 10, 2012 at 11:03 am

  3. Yeah, these forms have been being sent out for at least 2 months. I got them and it was 2 months ago, perhaps connected to the facts I’m on Work Programme, and am disabled, and have been at the Lovely, Wonderful, Brilliant jobcentre signing on since 1998 (including times I still had to sign on but while all my benefits were suspended/cut). I must really love it to still be there, I mean the alternative is to stop breathing right?

    I also got given a similar document at Work Programme, it had different wording but they did not give me time to read it. They shoved it in my face, bullied me to sign it, then snatched it away and would not let me read it properly or have a copy. That was a few sessions ago. This week they didn’t make me sign anything that bad/scary looking, but they suddenly had new posters all over the walls advertising in red the 3 year benefits sanction.

    The 3 year benefits sanction has some really bad PR. It ought to fire its agent. Ads are meant to promote, not scare. So how about a new ad campaign for it….
    ———–
    -Lose weight and get exercise the simple way; Have your dole stopped for 3 years.
    -It will encourage you to learn survival skills and develop resourcefulness!
    -hunting in bins for food can be FUN! Kicked off child benefits? Invite granny and the kids along. Dumpster Diving – a great activity outdoors for all the family to enjoy. If it works in Delhi, Manila or Cape Town.. Spend your time crawling around a mountain of stinky garbage! See dwp.gov.uk for hundreds of delicious recipes made from cardboard and shoes! Bet you never knew the meals you could make from a dead seagull!
    -Eat Air! And see the weight come off!
    -If you die your corpse is useful to the government!
    -Sewage farms – because we’re all in this together!
    -Have you thought your molecules could be taking up too much space? Why not let us starve you to death?
    -Failed your Atos WCA? Don’t worry, go along to the Jobcentre! The first day you are too sick to turn up on time or at all, we’ll stop your benefits! Do it 3 times and we will make you ‘independent’ for 3 years!
    ———-
    Or one of those ads with actors in. Except one with:

    [cue sad music] “This man has no friends and lives alone, or mostly in his own head. He sees enemies all around and is suffering from severe paranoia and delusions. He is isolated due to his extreme bizarre and anti-social behaviour. He worries a lot of people would like to kill or attack him. This man is suffering from a mental disorder. He can see no way out. He is forced to be a burden on the state and society. Every time people see him, they say unpleasant things. He has a fetish about hurting and controlling others, and cannot see why this is abnormal. He is a danger to himself, to children, and to vulnerable adults. He should not really be left alone or let out unsupervised. He does not understand the harm he causes to others by the things he says. He says he would like to have more money and power but can not say when he would like to stop gaining it. He has no housing problems but would like to inflict them on other people. [camera pans out to reveal patient]
    If you would like to help Ian, please contact us if you have a spare room that could be converted into a padded cell, preferably one with an easily lost key. Mental illness at the highest levels affects us all. So please give generously, for the abolition and psychiatric treatment of this dangerous and disturbed patient. People’s Mental Health Team – Tough on IDS, Tough on the causes of IDS. Thankyou.”
    ———-
    Well, how quickly can I sum up a farcical little episode of pingpong between the Jobcentre and the Work programme? Not very! Okay, here goes…

    JCP hands me advertisement for an HGV lorry driver, telling me to apply for it. I point out its unsuitability, but apply under duress. Despite thousands of applications, most likely to have been forced ones, no candidate is appointed and the post remains unfilled. The jobcentre readvertises the same ad, and makes me apply once again. At Work Programme, the job ad comes up and some of the staff tell me to apply for it. It comes up a 4th time. They shortlist it as jobs I must apply for. So I sit down with different WP staff and explain in more detail that I already applied for the same vacancy 3 times. One of them, who has not been listening, says, what is the problem? Is it that you don’t have an HGV entitlement? because we can help you get one. So in my most patient mood I explain:

    – On an HGV the lowest step or rung to climb the steps or rungs into the cab, is too high for me to reach, and the door could not then be opened/closed by me without falling out of the cab. An HGV does indeed require an enhanced licence and HGV medical to drive it.
    -On every previous application for this job I was refused the job. No other variables have changed.
    -While I think Lisa Kelly (of Ice Road Truckers) is cool, as far as I know she is 100% ablebodied. Male truckers are expected to be big strong guys with muscles. Or at least that is the type most likely to get hired. I used to think as a kid Spiderman was cool, but knew this did not mean I could personally climb up walls with sticky hands and feet.
    -There is a little detail the JCP and WP have overlooked: the small, tiny, minuscule, fact-ette that… I have severe epilepsy and am completely banned for life from driving a car, motorbike, or ‘owt else’.

    JCP says not to say this fact next time they send me to apply for this job. I wonder if I have to wait till my first day at work and they ask to see my HGV licence, or would the haulage firm chuck me a bunch of keys and tell me to climb into a nearby HGV and drive it to Bristol or Aberdeen.

    Oh and I forgot another subatomic particle of facts: Once IN a cab of such a vehicle, I am unable to reach the controls/wheel/pedals or see over the dashboard. Knowing my luck I am more likely to reverse into an old lady, then plough into a bunch of my fellow nontall people on their way to our convention. Stopping only to go over a line of wheelchair users outside the steps to the Atos testing centre. Before careering through the centre of the petting zoo, and finally parking the HGV in a canal.

    Soz, but you have to laugh, or you’d go nuts-in-May in that place.

    This week, a different member of staff (at WP) finally sees my point about the whole ‘not allowed to drive’ thing. He tells me I don’t have to apply for the job of HGV driver. Earlier in the week, and separately, JCP has already told me the exact opposite. So… do I apply or don’t I? I obviously can’t refuse, but if I apply exactly how they say, pretending to be a qualified and experienced HGV driver, then I am lying and committing fraud. If I apply and tell the truth, as I did the 3 previous times, then I am disobeying a direct order from my ‘superiors’ (sic) in the Jobcentre. So could get a sanction if I lie and get a sanction if I tell the truth. To complicate matters, JCP makes me sign things saying I must obey every order given to me by WP. So now I am faced with a contradictory order from WP, which is to NOT apply for the job. I’m not Schrodinger’s cat. I can’t simultaneously apply for a job and not apply for it. Or can I???

    -Apply for the job but in invisible ink. However I can’t afford a lemon and if I had one right now I would eat it.
    -Apply for the job and then eat the application. Well IDS does want us to find new ways to survive without the crutch of benefits and food…
    -Apply for the job but write my application in Silly String on a mountain goat.
    -Ask for an interview with IDS, then write my job application in indelible marker on his head. Well you said be creative, you said make your application stand out from the crowd.
    -Write a half-decent application actually, but write it on the back of the letter from the DVLA that says I am refused a driving licence. This would be a good way of testing whether they actually read it.
    -Apply for the job… while a leather-clad orc in Second Life.
    -Turn up in person at the haulage firm demanding the keys to their biggest, meanest truck. Shout ‘I’ve only had the six crashes so far!’
    -Borrow an empty can of a housemate’s SpecialBrew (I don’t actually drink!), and wander in swaying. Staggering. Point (arm waving wildly) at a big truck completely on its own. Pretend to take a long swig from the can. Slur loudly, ‘I’m here for the truck! Which one of those three is it?’
    -Do well in the interview right up to the point where I drop in the rider, specifying I must be given a contractual right to drive the trucks while dressed as Captain Jack Sparrow.
    -Walk in backwards, with some of my clothes on the wrong way round.
    -Walk in acting perfectly normally and give a fine and keen-sounding interview, except for the fact that I am wearing a huge sandwich-board, each side of which is a blown-up copy of the DVLA letter saying I’m epileptic and can never ever ever drive anything.
    (It is possible that my interviewers may not notice.)
    -Walk in with a giant teddybear that is wearing a T-shirt printed ‘Jesus Loves You’. Ask if it can be my copilot.

    Of the many, many jobs I have actually had, one of them was as an actor, then on an unpaid basis as an out-of-work actor, then as a trolley collector and ex-actor… That was a lot of jobs ago. I didn’t see the ‘Gissa job’ scene (boys from blackstuff) till the other year, the bit where Yosser follows the man painting the white line on the field, but it’s been just like this at times. The job centre people in that, were ones we can only dream of today. They hassled people a lot less? Well generally anyway. The only job I’ve ever walked off myself was the one involving big rats. Even my other jobs however crap, I stayed on right up till being sacked, laid off, downsized, or sent home from. Or because contracts ended. Only for the computer at the tax office to mysteriously delete my whole tax/NI history, employment record, benefits payment history… they said I can’t get a pension because of the computer deleting all my data. The tax office later said I had a job but would not say what it was, all they would tell me was my date of birth which was a different day, month and year. The Jobcentre also claimed I had a job. You of course are the only bit of this equation not allowed to lie. So I have filled in forms for jobs and where they ask, listed ones and in the space it asks reasons for leaving, say I was sacked. Why I was sacked: for being disabled. It gets like a Kafkaesque society stuck inside a painting by M.C. Escher (the one with the endless path round upside-down stairs).

    On a QI episode Stephen Fry said a football team had a chant; it should be the new anthem of the Jobcentre I think. It went like: “We’re crap, we’re crap, We’re crap crap crap!”

    Okay I have to go and apply for this job now. I can’t wait to be an HGV driver. I’m elated.
    There are no bounds to my enthusiasm. All that remains is to select the application method. [rolls an imaginary dice, any real one would have been eaten by now]
    …Yeah, I think I’m going to have to pick the goat. Pass the Silly String….

    [just figure people could do with a laugh, so apologies if I’ve been too truck-ist or goat-ist.]

    something survived...

    November 10, 2012 at 3:14 am

    • That is a truly great post Something Survived…

      Andrew Coates

      November 10, 2012 at 11:02 am

      • Keep it up – got to go find the needle and thread as I think I’ve split my sides.
        Keep on truckin’

        Gissajob

        November 10, 2012 at 11:29 am

    • If JCP are compelling you to commit fraud they’re committing a criminal offence – you should point it out to them. On the other hand you could just apply and put a “PS I’m not legally allowed to drive” at the bottom of the application.

      Anton

      November 11, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    • me “work programme” adviser was really wetting her size 20knickers over the 3 year sanctions.

      Annie

      November 11, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    • I’d pay good money to see you driving a truck dressed as Jack Sparrow.

      anothergrumpybrit

      November 11, 2012 at 8:34 pm

  4. I worry that these new signing procedures are a careful way to get people off benefits. If you drop off your signing documents and jobsearch you have no guarantee that the adviser processing it won’t decide you havent’ done enough and will not release your payment. At least if you are present to sign you can try and argue your case!

    Ghost Whistler

    November 10, 2012 at 9:15 am

  5. When you sign on at your local Jobcentre Plus, alway’s take your checkable jobsearch form with you (ES4JP 01/04) and insist that the person signing you on looks at it and puts their initials or signature at the side of that days signing date, then you have proof the Jobcentre is happy with your up to date jobsearch.

    This will ensure you don’t get sanctioned and you recieve your JSA on time.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 10, 2012 at 11:24 am

  6. Something else I’ve noticed at Bradford Jobcentre Plus:

    If your english they usually ask to see your jobsearch for the last 2 weeks before they’ll even think of signing you on.

    If your from a foreign country (and I’m not talking about asian people) they don’t ask to see your jobsearch at all, in fact Jobcentre Plus sign you on as quickly as possible.

    I really want to know the reason behind this, because when I pulled an adviser about this, they said their really busy, but that’s not the case, the other week this happened when the Jobcentre was virtually empty.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 10, 2012 at 12:00 pm

  7. What needs to happen is an independent body needs to be set up with branches in every city in the UK. A body that is in no way connected to the government but has the power to close down or terminate government contracts in respect to individual Private Providers contracts with the DWP.

    It would have a simple format, if you don’t hit the bare minimum of 5.5% in any one month period – Bye Bye – Your shutdown – No second chances.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 10, 2012 at 1:03 pm

  8. Also an independent body of solicitors needs to look at the Work Programme in general, to examine it in detail, also these new forms the Jobcentre and Private Providers are giving to the unemployed in regared to the sanctions, there is no way all of this can be legal, all it takes is a group of solicitors with balls who are preparied to take on the government and see it through to the bitter end.

    Then all the unemployed may be able to claim a buttload of compensation for being forced onto an unlawful programme concieved of by Mr Iain Duncan Smith MP and oh yes Mr Chris Grayling MP – don’t think you can distance youself from all this just because you are now working at the Ministry of Justice pal.

    All I can say to Chris Grayling is:

    You knew the Work Programme was going to fail and wanted to disassociate yourself from it at your earliest opportunity, and I can’t blame you for that.

    But Iain Duncan Smith is one of those people who can’t or won’t admit defeat, once the Work Programme fails and sinks like the Titanic, he will probably end up in an asylum and carry the Work Progamme on in his own sick mind, truse up in a straight jacket, pumped full of tranqilizers and locked up in a padded cell.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 10, 2012 at 2:04 pm

  9. I’m on a roll today, I’ve got a full house on the recent comments indicator, do I win a PRIZE?

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 10, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    • You win the prize to take part in the new benefits system;

      “Benefits reform under threat after IT glitch
      National roll-out of flagship policy delayed by at least a year as costs soar and key personnel quit”

      “A government adviser on information technology said: “IDS, like other ministers before him, has been hypnotised by promises of what an online system can deliver. Warnings were given to him more than a year ago. They were ignored.”

      Universal credit has a development budget of £2bn. It is supposed to be a paperless online IT system for claimants that would bridge the DWP’s data with the Treasury. Six separate benefits are to be combined into one payment.

      However, the project, according to senior Whitehall sources, is already suffering a £100m overrun. There are also concerns that a further £300m is being hidden by rising costs reallocated to child support payments.

      A reorganisation of the complex IT system, following the departure this month of key senior civil servants in charge of universal credit, could mean an overrun of £500m by next spring.

      Universal credit potentially affects 19 million people in the UK. Failure to deliver the reforms because of expensive IT errors and design flaws will be deeply embarrassing for David Cameron.”

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/benefits-reform-under-threat-after-it-glitch-8303835.html

      Andrew Coates

      November 11, 2012 at 11:47 am

  10. If I do win a prize I would like a prepaid date with Tera Patrick and I’ll take it from there.

    Obi Wan Kenobi

    November 10, 2012 at 2:24 pm

  11. Obi Wan Kenobi :
    Something else I’ve noticed at Bradford Jobcentre Plus:
    If your english they usually ask to see your jobsearch for the last 2 weeks before they’ll even think of signing you on.
    If your from a foreign country (and I’m not talking about asian people) they don’t ask to see your jobsearch at all, in fact Jobcentre Plus sign you on as quickly as possible.
    I really want to know the reason behind this, because when I pulled an adviser about this, they said their really busy, but that’s not the case, the other week this happened when the Jobcentre was virtually empty.

    job centre plus dont like a situation,this may well be the reason as their procedures can be easily challenged.its like the rest of it get away with what they can winging it.

    thats the sheet i had a kerfuffle over a few weeks ago.another full of threats and designed to intimidate people.

    ken

    November 10, 2012 at 3:48 pm

  12. still not a peep from my provider so far and its now over a year since i went so they just going after the 400 quid fee for a 10min 121 lmfao

    super ted

    November 10, 2012 at 5:37 pm

  13. I think that they would probably say that you could work in a nut factory if you had a nut allergy and would sanction you if you didn’t apply for such a job, or even take on a job if they marked it for you. I guess that if you died because of the job then that would mean that either way they would have removed you from the unemployment figures. So for them it is a win win situation.

    Adam Stone

    November 11, 2012 at 1:16 am

  14. My former colleagues in two companies (one a Prime) are still telling me that underperformance is rife i.e. the WP is a colossal failure. No surprises there.

    27th eh? Mark the date in your diary, there’s likely to be a public lynching of the entire W2W industry in the press. Glad i’m out of it.

    anothergrumpybrit

    November 11, 2012 at 8:38 pm

  15. Looking at the new regulations I’m surprised anyone still qualifies for JSA?

    What a bleedin minefield.

    frank_begbie

    November 20, 2012 at 2:50 pm


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