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Newsnight, Tory Danny Kruger Says Food Banks a “Success”.

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On Newsnight yesterday David Cameron’s ex-speech-writer Danny Kruger heralded Food Banks as a success for the Big Society.  

This was his response to a report on the growing number of charitable agencies offering basic goods, for a limited period, to people in need.

The Trussell Trust is launching new food banks at a rate of three per week.

They are soon to play a major role in the state system, as responsibility for the Social Fund is shifted to local authorities and they provide a minimum of emergency supplies for those facing destitution.

Newsnight put a major reason why people go to Food Banks,

To put it bluntly, the new benefits regime is forcing people off benefits – not permanently, but as a temporary punishment. According to the Department for Work and Pensions, sanction or disallowance happened to 167,000 people in the three months to February 2012.

Ipswich Unemployed Action has pointed out that this massive rise in sanctions is largely because private companies running the Work Programme have used the system to punish people.

Sanctions are often arbitrary, and appeals are frequently won.

In the meantime people scramble to keep going.

This was not mentioned on the programme.

To Danny Kruger, who runs a ‘charity’ Only Connect, said people with “unsustainable levels of private debt” and the “welfare culture” were to blame for anybody who got into problems.  The Government’s Welfare Reforms were designed to inject a “spirit of responsibility” into people’s lives.

Presumably by making them have to beg for food.

43% of those queuing up for food parcels are there because of this kind of  benefit ‘disruption’.

The debate turned on another reason why the other 57%  go to Food Banks.

A major cause is debt.

Labour MP Stella Creasy said that people borrowed money from legal and informal loan sharks to pay for basics.

It was left to Chris Mould, from the Trussell Trust, which runs Food Banks, to point out that the cost of food had gone up by around 35% – without benefit rises to match. He also said that instead of pushing people into destitution, which would cost the state money to put right (emergency accommodation for example) it was cheaper to keep people on benefit.

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Written by Andrew Coates

September 5, 2012 at 9:47 am

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  1. But that’s fine for them who use food banks as a last resort but what about the rest that turn to crime as survey show not every body uses food banks when the chips are down a lot turn to crime weather it is selling drugs or burglary in long run when they get caught cost gov more to proscute than it would of paid dole money so they ain’t saving are they in fact its a flawed plan just like the rest of what they have done so far roll on when we vote em out

    paul wells

    September 5, 2012 at 10:05 am

    • Absolutely. What struck me the most was they are claiming Food Banks as a ‘success’ for dealing (not at all fully by any means) with a problem they created in the first place.

      Though I have to say the Labour MP was unable to answer Kruger’s challenge when he asked her if she too was not in favour of ‘sanctions’.

      Andrew Coates

      September 5, 2012 at 11:12 am

      • Sanctions don’t work they only push people in to a life of poverty and end up commiting crime to survve as food banks don’t pay the bills do they or put clothes on the kids

        paul wells

        September 5, 2012 at 11:19 am

  2. And just to add when us unemployed was working we paid into the system so in fact what we being paid is our own money that we paid in when we was working so please stop saying you paying your taxes on us as

    paul wells

    September 5, 2012 at 10:39 am

  3. This goverment really need to get real. They are coming out with the most ludicrous suggestions to the unemployed to find work which is apparent to all that its just not there.They should clean up their own back yard first and start doing what they are paid for,bring real jobs into this country .There is no stability at all in work,companies have very lean oreder books and we have created a huge temporary employment culture.Tories are well known for battering the unemployed when everything else is going to hell.Its apparantly costing between £50-80million in fees dealing with sanctions for the unemployed.Sounds like a really good idea, not!

    people will not just take sanctions lying down as the DWP must have thought.

    With food baks springing up all over this country we can see what a state its in.We need real jobs with real pay,it was ok the last 50yrs, i wonder whats changed.

    george

    September 5, 2012 at 11:09 am

  4. Chris Mould, Director of the Trussell Trust that runs food banks, added that :

    “People on low incomes have been suffering a flat-lining for years. People depending on tax credits and benefits have not had those raised anything like sufficient to deal with food price rises. Oxfam’s research shows that in the last 5 years, food prices have risen by 30.5%”

    Newsnight item on food banks (starts 26:26)

    Jobs Not Sanctions

    Protest Called By Unite Community London

    Wednesday 12th September from 9am

    Department of Work and Pensions

    Caxton House

    Tothill Street

    London SW1H 9NA

    http://righttowork.org.uk/2012/09/the-return-of-hunger/

    Right to Work

    September 5, 2012 at 11:28 am

    • Seeing the above I notice I got the rise in food prices a few points out.

      But everyone I know talks about this a lot, and loads of us go to Liddle or Aldi for basics these days.

      Andrew Coates

      September 5, 2012 at 11:51 am

      • I bet mps and dwp workers dont have to buy basics do they mps don’t even have to pay to get to work the rest do they get lunch paid for the test don’t in fact they even get ipods and phones may b we need them pay there own way it b half way to being fair and then may b we would then all be in it together as they keep saying instead just the poor paying price there mistakes

        paul wells

        September 5, 2012 at 12:09 pm

  5. thats exactly what this country needs “jobs” and real adult paying ones in line with the cost of living,something the goverment and DWP havent a clue about.

    george

    September 5, 2012 at 11:35 am

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  7. By way of a token of appreciation and to celebrate 300,000 “hits to the site we are offering 3 weeks JSA* (£213 GBPs) to the lucky 300,000 (benefit claimant) visitor to the site. Good luck! AC

    Not subject to sanction 🙂

    Andrew Coates

    September 5, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    • Great compotiton but you could pick who you want we only have your word they won fairly and squarely a mr. Coates

      paul wells

      September 5, 2012 at 1:47 pm

      • lol the “hit” counter stalls for ages then suddenly jumps past the 300,000 mark lol more chance of winning the lottery lol

        action

        September 5, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    • Competition is now closed, lucky winner will be notified soon! 🙂 Congratulations! 🙂 AC

      Andrew Coates

      September 5, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    • Competition is still open – my bad! 😦 Good luck! 🙂 AC

      Andrew Coates

      September 5, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    • Most generous offer of you, kind Sir! I doff my virtual cap to you!

      Job Seeker

      September 5, 2012 at 7:18 pm

      • Creeping won’t see you to the money his mate will win again? that you can bet on

        paul wells

        September 5, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    • Competition is now closed – for definite this time – lucky winner will be notified soon! 🙂 Congratulations! 🙂

      A big thank you to all who entered. More fantastic competitions with great prizes up for grabs coming soon. Stay tuned, folks! AC

      Andrew Coates

      September 7, 2012 at 11:39 am

  8. It seems to me that raising a sanction doubt has become the weapon of ifrst recourse for the pimps (It really should be the nuclear last resort)
    “Don’t like the look of him!” – Raise a doubt.
    “5 minutes late” – Raise a doubt.
    “Haven’t raised a doubt today?” Raise a doubt.
    “He’s raised more than me I’m in danger of losing my bet” – Raise a doubt.

    Now an awful lot of these doubts will be (and are) being contested and disputed. This comes at a cost in time, effort and money for both customer and JCP, and many are being refused if not laughed at by the JCP. But there seems to be absolutely no comeback whatsoever on the pimps who continue on their merry way.
    There should be a financial penalty or charge for the pimps who raise stupid and or just plain malicious doubts.

    Gissajob

    September 5, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    • My former colleagues were stunningly ignorant of what they could and could not order someone to do – the management line being simply to order people to do more and more every time you saw a client – fortunately it seems that the dreaded Decision Makers understand what constitutes a reasonable amount of action on your JSAG rather better – presumably because they’ll be in deep wossname if they get caught passing through dodgy sanctions.

      When I last looked through the sanctions file only around a third of submitted sanctions had been actioned by DMA.

      Oh – and despite the repeated assertion that sanctioning would force people to get jobs or improve their motivation (are these people even human I ask myself?) the number of outcomes claimed from the total was pathetically small – worse than a random sample of clients by far.

      anothergrumpybrit

      September 5, 2012 at 6:53 pm

  9. Fck me ya mate won that quick a mr coates

    paul wells

    September 5, 2012 at 2:01 pm

  10. Question. When the WP raise a sanction doubt does your dole get stopped straight away? Managed to dodge WP bullet by getting 16hr a week job (they do not know where so no outcome payment for them). As such I have not turned up for any meetings but had threatening letters. If the job goes up the Swannee I think they will attempt to nail my ass to the wall. I have got my eye on the prize Mr. Coates.

    Stan.

    September 5, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    • If it’s 16 hours or more the JCP should surely sign you off? At that point the provider has zero leverage on you and you can safely ignore them totally – if they do submit a sanction it will come back as disallowed as you are not claiming. By the way the DWP’s interpretation of Data Protection law has been broadly in favour of the client and you might even be able to get the provider to remove your details from their systems once you are no longer actively engaged with them – i’d be interested to hear if such an approach works.

      anothergrumpybrit

      September 5, 2012 at 7:00 pm

      • Thanks Mr Grumpy, That is not really my point. I am signed off. I know they can not touch me. They (the WP) rang me today and I told them to go and swivel (in the nicest possible way). My job is looking a bit dodgy so I think that if I have to sign on again, that the WP will try to extract revenge. So, when a sanction doubt is raised does your dole get stopped right away?

        Stan.

        September 5, 2012 at 10:14 pm

      • “you might even be able to get the provider to remove your details from their systems once you are no longer actively engaged with them”
        ‘Fraid not! They will clain that as part of their contract with the ESF they have to hold on to your data (I think the time is around 7 years or so!)

        Gissajob

        September 6, 2012 at 9:01 am

      • I don’t think it would be stopped right away, no.

        anothergrumpybrit

        September 6, 2012 at 10:26 am

  11. Food banks a success for the Big Society??? Talk about twisted logic,with those kind of thought processes Tony Kruger may as well change his first name to Freddy.

    ck

    September 5, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    • The person in charge of the Food Bank (FIND) in Ipswich already takes herself for one of the saints, and vets (on her personal say-so) anybody getting food so she would not take kindly to such devilish comparisons!

      Andrew Coates

      September 6, 2012 at 9:55 am

      • Oh no Andrew,what was I thinking? I am dammed for sure now,but since I am on the Work Programme I already am I guess !

        ck

        September 6, 2012 at 12:56 pm

  12. Food banks a ‘success’. Are they, Mr 3-Meals-A-Day Tory?

    ONCE over 10 years ago there was ONE donation of food to people on benefits.You had to be on JSA to get it. You were meant to turn up very early in the morning. There were hardly any buses to get there. It was before my bus pass. It would have meant 2 hours there on the bus and about half an hour waiting for a bus back, so at least 4.5 hours, £5 each way so £10 to ride the bus. There were ‘large but limited supplies’.
    As I was actually leaving for the 2 mile walk to the bus station to catch the bus, very early on a freezing cold morning, I found out information about the nature of the ‘free food’.
    100% of the food was tins of meat (beef) that were about to be condemned as too out of date. A lot of the homeless in my city where the papers advertised the government’s ‘food donation’, are vegetarian.
    I was (still am!) on JSA but am vegetarian. I was angry, but glad I didn’t pay £10 and spend half a day on buses before finding out.
    (In 2012 a religious group has a monopoly on soup kitchens for immigrants in France, most of the immigrants are Muslim, the group are racist/far-right so they make every meal with pork so Muslims and Jews can’t eat it.)

    We have a sort of soup kitchen here if you are homeless or on benefits. The down side:
    1) It is one day a week.
    2) None of the food is vegetarian.
    3) You have to convert to Christianity and THEIR kind of Christianity.
    4) If disabled, they will try to exorcise the ‘bad demons’ out of you.
    5) No gays allowed.

    The government provides absolutely nothing here. I don’t know how many emergency beds are in Cardiff, but (according to the BBC 1 Wales programme about homelessness)
    there is 1 emergency bed in Swansea, the OPPOSITE end of Wales. To get it you have to turn up extremely early in the morning and then there is a lottery of ‘who gets the bed’. It’s only for one night. They don’t give out food.
    Also there is (half an hour away on bus) a town with a homeless scheme. When I was on their list for years, I never got any help. Before I could get any higher on the list, I turned 25. I’d been waiting on their list since I was 18. But the scheme is only for people aged 16-24.
    I was 25 10 years ago. Not currently homeless (fingers crossed…), but still on benefits.
    Each year there is less to eat. Three meals a WEEK is now ‘a good week’, food-wise.

    I was on the housing waiting lists (council one, and all the private and voluntary sector ones)
    since 1994. The government says the poor should move. Apart from the ethics, being forced away from your friends/activities, the practical side is crap: no help with relocation
    costs or the (reduced) chances of finding a (secure) place to live in the new place. You would lose all your years on the lists and have to start waiting all over again, probably all your life, for a council place or equivalent, that could be crap – or worse than your previous place. (You can’t say no because that gets you kicked off the list). They don’t seem to particularly care if you are told to relocate to a neighbourhood full of racist thugs where you are likely to be attacked, burgled, or have your house set on fire. The people setting these rules don’t live anywhere like that, of course.

    Now the papers ran a piece locally about how great it was that there are food banks. Actually nobody I’ve spoken to either on the dole or the street, knows where any of these
    places are either. (Here you can pretty much forget skip diving/ freeganism. The skip is massive so a disabled person couldn’t climb in, it is in a cage and guarded and with CCTV,
    and in case you got past all that, they pour the blue chemical stuff over everything so nobody can eat it.)

    Those tories should really try to go a week without food. And if they manage it, tell them to do it a second week but this time try to find the strength/energy/willpower to do the ‘compulsory job seeking activity’ demanded of everyone on the dole. What do they think the employers think in interviews, when faced with an applicant who clearly hasn’t eaten in ages? And besides everything else and our length of time on the dole, disabilities, lack of references, how do they expect us to get a job if we can’t even eat?

    It can come down to: your Housing benefit pays a third to two thirds of what your rent costs, but most of your dole goes on rent and bills. If you eat extra there is not enough for paying your rent; if you manage to pay your rent roughly on time, this doesn’t leave anything for food. So you generally have to pay for rent and bills first, or you could be homeless. As for ‘fuel poverty’, this is meant to be when people pay too much of their income on heating etc. It doesn’t appear to address the question of what happens when the person is so poor they can never afford to spend ANY money on heating/energy in the first place.

    something survived...

    September 6, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    • ffs to Hell with all this “Food bank”/”Soup Kitchen” shite; do the decent thing and give folk enough money to buy their own food.

      F Bank

      September 6, 2012 at 5:43 pm

  13. Cash prize of 3 weeks JSA (£213 GBP) still up for grabs 🙂 somebody has got to win it 🙂 It could be be you 🙂 Good luck! AC

    Andrew Coates

    September 6, 2012 at 3:15 pm

  14. May be 3wks jsa up for grabs but we won’t win when your mate always wins get real people its a con like dis site

    paul wells

    September 6, 2012 at 3:43 pm

  15. Off topic but don’t see how to start a new thread. consent.me say:
    The DWP (Jobcentre) has confirmed there is no requirement to sign any
    Work Programme:

    1. Actions Plan (aka Employment Plan)
    2. Agreements

    “I would advise you that the signing of a Work Programme provider’s
    action plan and/or agreement form are entirely voluntary and no
    sanctions would be applied to any claimant who refused to sign them.
    http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/115323/response/308770/attach/2/FoI%201886%2031.08.12.pdf
    Source: DWP on 31st August 2012

    The Child Poverty Action Group also suggests that Work Programme
    Sub-contractors do not have any Authority to issue Mandatory Activity
    Notifications (MANs):

    Sanction busting – appealing Work Programme sanctions
    http://www.cpag.org.uk/content/sanction-busting-appealing-work-programme-sanctions

    Action Plans can be considered MANs, if they comply with DWP Provider
    guidance on:

    Mandation
    https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/wp-pg-chapter-3a.pdf
    Via:
    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/supplying-dwp/what-we-buy/welfare-to-work-services/provider-guidance/work-programme-provider.shtml

    consent.me.uk
    The CPAG link is useful for anyone fighting a sanction doubt.

    Gissajob

    September 6, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    • Gissajob.

      You are welcome to do a full post on this here.

      Send via E-Mail.

      Best.

      Andrew Coates

      September 7, 2012 at 10:06 am

  16. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO SEE SOME ACTION, MR COATES? I HAVE SEEN MORE ACTION ON A DOG TURD!

    a police officer

    September 6, 2012 at 7:55 pm

  17. Dose that mean your mate be. On piss with the winnings MR COATES

    paul wells

    September 7, 2012 at 11:45 am

  18. Freddie Kruger would have made more sense. Honestly, why is a fucking scriptwriter invited on? What experience does he have of food banks? Was that useless chloe woman from the treasurey not available?
    It’s all just a script though isn’t it: welfarism, responsibility, dependency, buzzwords, bollocks.

    Ghost Whistler

    September 7, 2012 at 12:19 pm

  19. Have you ever wondered how you could help those who are less fortunate than you?

    Frank

    April 9, 2013 at 5:47 am

  20. Just to say Mr coates why did we never see you post up who won the 3wks jsa competition was it like I said your FRIEND WON OR WAS IT THERE WAS NO PRIZE

    paulwells

    April 9, 2013 at 6:00 am


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