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Cameron to Make Under-25 Workless Homeless and Make ‘Workshy’ do Unpaid “Community Payback”.

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There is a camp of homeless people just opposite the Suffolk County Council Offices in Rope Walk Ipswich. It has been there for over 6 months – apart from a few weeks when Christian Charities lodged them over Christmas.

David Cameron plans to expand the camp and create new ones all over town.

The Mail on Sunday says,

Scrapping most of the £1.8 billion in housing benefits paid to 380,000 under-25s, worth an average £90 a week, forcing them to support themselves or live with their parents.

Cameron clearly considers everyone is like himself,

Mr Cameron constantly refers to family life as his anchor in politics. ‘I turn to my family always when I need support’.

Others will not have this back-up.

They will be out of a home. Or they will find ways to get money. No doubt ‘supporting themselves’ will include shop-lifting, burglary, and street begging. The number of people begging in Ipswich streets, already considerable (it’s common to be approached three or four times a day) will swell.

Cameron’s plans also include:

  • Stopping the £70-a-week dole money for the unemployed who refuse to try hard to find work or produce a CV.
  • Forcing a hardcore of workshy claimants to do community work after two years on the dole – or lose all their benefits.

There are “an estimated 5,000 to 10,000, could be forced to take part in community work if they fail or refuse to find work or training after two years.”

This is an interesting figure.

In fact there are more than,434000  people we’ve been unemployed for more than 2 years.  (Here).

But that aside, on what basis are the above “workshy” to be sentenced to what is effectively Community Payback – that is a punishment meeted out for those who’ve broken the law?

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  1. get me a gun al shot the bastard hate him lol

    DAVID

    June 24, 2012 at 10:14 am

  2. What happens when you don’t have any family cameron you f*ucking privileged toff c*unt????

    homeless

    June 24, 2012 at 11:43 am

  3. Note to admin: Fix this page before a CPU catches fire – we don’t all have mega-gigabit multi-core processors!

    Browser Overload

    June 24, 2012 at 12:22 pm

  4. Fix this WEBSITE

    Browser Overload

    June 24, 2012 at 12:23 pm

  5. Cameron’s lost the plot, if he ever had one to begin with.

    This doesn’t even begin to make sense.

    Ghost Whistler

    June 24, 2012 at 5:03 pm

  6. What about kids who have been in care through no fault of their own i.e abuse from their own parents. They will be destitute. Also what about the countless young victims who are invisable it will be like society is punishing them for being victims or for being alive? I know it happened to me during the thatcher years, yes I had a roof over my head Just! but through two hell years i starved frequently but i never once broke the law!

    joanna

    June 24, 2012 at 6:44 pm

  7. Benefit curb on bigger families: Payouts could stop at three children under PM’s welfare vision

    Families could be removed from the dole after two years

    PM will use speech to suggest Britain follows America’s tough benefits rules

    Maximum housing benefit could be slashed from current limit of £25,000

    Ideas lead to claims he has abandoned ‘compassionate Conservative mantra’

    Jobless families could be penalised for having more than three children under Tory plans for a welfare revolution.

    They could also be kicked off the dole after two years in proposals to be outlined today by the Prime Minister.

    David Cameron will claim that there is a ‘welfare gap’ in Britain, where those on the dole have a financial incentive to breed while those in work are forced to stop having children because they simply cannot afford to.

    He will float the idea that workshy couples could be penalised by having their income support slashed and additional child benefit stopped if they have more than three children.

    He will also suggest that Britain adopts America’s tough benefits rules which see the unemployed forced to work and even automatically stripped of payments after two years out of work.

    Stressing the virtues of ‘self reliance’, Mr Cameron will say: ‘Quite simply, we have been encouraging working-age people to have children and not work, when we should be enabling working-age people to work and have children. So it’s time we asked some serious questions about the signals we send out through the benefits system.

    ‘Yes, this is difficult territory. But at a time when so many people are struggling, isn’t it right that we ask whether those in the welfare system are faced with the same kinds of decisions that working people have to wrestle with when they have a child?’

    But Mr Cameron will reject growing calls to raid universal pensioner benefits, such as free bus passes and TV licences and the winter fuel allowance, which remain popular with the middle class.

    Other measures being considered include forcing the unemployed to work for free in exchange for benefits and removing Housing Benefit from under-25s, as the Prime Minister revealed in an interview with The Mail on Sunday.

    The maximum amount of Housing Benefit a family can claim could also be slashed from the current limit of £25,000 a year. Downing Street sources say the Prime Minister will seek to advance this agenda through the Coalition, but the reality is that he will meet fierce resistance from the Lib Dems. Instead, the measures are likely to form the centrepiece of a Tory manifesto at the 2015 election.

    Mr Cameron will say: ‘If you are a single parent living outside London, if you have four children and you’re renting a house on Housing Benefit, then you can claim almost £25,000 a year. That is more than the average take-home pay of a farm worker and nursery nurse put together.

    ‘We have created a welfare gap in this country – between those living long-term in the welfare system and those outside it. This has sent out some incredibly damaging signals. That it pays not to work. That you are owed something for nothing. It created a culture of entitlement.’

    In 2010, Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt provoked a row when he suggested that the workshy should stop having children if they cannot afford them, saying the number of children is a ‘choice’.

    Today Mr Cameron will point out that there are more than 150,000 people who have been claiming Income Support for over a year who have three or more children and 57,000 who have four or more.

    It remains unclear, however, exactly what ministers would do to ensure a child did not suffer if he or she was the fourth or fifth born. One idea is to improve school meals and early years education to the point where the less well-off benefit hugely.

    Mr Cameron will also cite the experience in America, where people are forced to work for benefits and do not get them indefinitely.

    A No 10 source said such ‘time-limiting’ could potentially apply to many benefits. ‘David will say we should look at time limiting benefits. In America they say, “Sorry, you have it for two years and then you’re on your own”.’

    In Wisconsin, when benefits claimants were told they would get no handouts after two years on the dole, the number of claims dropped by 57 per cent. When that state introduced ‘workfare’ schemes to ensure claimants did something useful for their benefits, claims dropped by 80 per cent.

    Mr Cameron’s decision to float such controversial ideas is likely to lead to claims that he has abandoned the ‘compassionate Conservative’ mantra with which he won power. But he is keen to create clear blue water between the Tories and the Lib Dems as the Coalition enters the second half of the Parliament.

    The Lib Dems said they would not support the plans but were content with Mr Cameron floating Tory ideas.

    Liam Byrne MP, Labour’s work and pensions spokesman, said: ‘This is a hazy and half-baked plan when we need a serious back-to-work programme for young families.’

    Article here.

    Daily Heil

    June 25, 2012 at 1:25 am

    • This kind of thing makes you want to vomit.

      Andrew Coates

      June 25, 2012 at 10:49 am

  8. A few years ago a young person was registering as unemployed at a Jobcentre. New Labour was in power at the time. The young man was asked if he has any “rich relatives” who could support him.

    Obviously, that is the shape of things to come.

    These days, Cameron’s Big Society is about the State abandoning its duty of care to its most vulnerable citizens by passing responsibility onto families. But who is going to support broken families – already an existing problem which is going to increase because of the current welfare cuts?

    Meanwhile, it is utterly amazing to have all these mandatory unpaid jobs being created to punish the workshy, when, at the same time, the JSA claimant count at the Jobcentre is rising!

    And you still get propaganda headlines saying unemployment is falling!!

    It’s all going to end up like the ghettoes of the Second World War with the dead bodies of the homeless and hungry littering the streets of cardboard city.

    Tobanem

    June 25, 2012 at 8:11 am

    • I think if you need to ask a claimant that question the answer is pretty obvious. The people with rich parents aren’t the ones signing on. If i could source some cash down the old school tie network i certainly wouldn’t sign on. You can be sure noone that does enjoys the process!

      Ghost Whistler

      June 25, 2012 at 9:50 am

      • lol if only daddy could get us all jobs as “researchers” for Tory MPs 🙂 lol

        Bethany

        June 25, 2012 at 3:07 pm

  9. Benefits rates may depend on where you live, No 10 suggests

    Benefits rates could vary according to where someone lives, under welfare changes David Cameron is considering.

    No 10 says the prime minister wants to look at whether it still “makes sense” to set payments at a national level, given differing regional pay levels.

    Although he dropped the idea from the final text of his speech on welfare, No 10 says it is among ideas which also includes cutting benefits over time.

    The PM said he wanted to debate the ideas for the next Tory manifesto.

    But he said he also hoped that his coalition government partners, the Lib Dems, might agree with some of the ideas so they could be brought in before the next election, which is due in 2015.

    Mr Cameron’s speech is being seen as an attempt to reconnect with disgruntled Tory backbenchers who have accused him of allowing the Liberal Democrats to water down traditional party values.

    Other ideas raised included:
    Reduce the amount of benefit paid to people over time
    Expecting people on benefits to be able to read, write and count
    Out-of-work benefits linked to wages rather than inflation, if wages are lower
    A cap on the amount people can earn and still live in a council house
    Reduce the current £20,000 housing benefit limit
    Stopping the out of work being better off by having children
    Consider paying some benefits “in kind” rather than in cash
    Expecting parents on income support to prepare for work while children have free nursery care
    Getting the physically able to do full-time community work after a period out of work
    Sickness benefit claimants should take steps to improve their health

    Regional rates of benefits – which would presumably see people in more affluent regions getting higher payments than in poorer regions – would be likely to prove controversial.

    No 10 stressed, an hour before Mr Cameron’s speech, that no decision had been taken but the PM wanted to look at whether “it makes sense if you set all benefits at the national level or whether there should be some local or regional element”.

    ‘Devastating impact’

    After the idea was omitted from the delivered speech, No 10 told the BBC the idea had not been dropped and would be included in the debate the Conservatives hope to have on the future of the welfare state.

    And in the Commons later Employment Minister Chris Grayling said it was “entirely sensible that the prime minister should take up the debate” on regionalisation of benefits.

    In his speech in Kent Mr Cameron defended benefits for the elderly and disabled but said the system of working-age benefits had gone “truly awry” and created a “welfare gap between those living long-term in the welfare system and those outside it”.

    “Those within it grow up with a series of expectations: you can have a home of your own, the state will support you whatever decisions you make, you will always be able to take out no matter what you put in.

    “This has sent out some incredibly damaging signals. That it pays not to work. That you are owed something for nothing. It gave us millions of working-age people sitting at home on benefits even before the recession hit. It created a culture of entitlement.

    “And it has led to huge resentment amongst those who pay into the system, because they feel that what they’re having to work hard for, others are getting without having to put in the effort,” he said.

    He said the housing benefit system for people under 25 encouraged young people to “grab” their independence through the the benefit system rather than earn it.

    “For literally millions, the passage to independence is several years living in their childhood bedroom as they save up to move out while for many others, it’s a trip to the council where they can get housing benefit at 18 or 19 – even if they’re not actively seeking work, ” he argued.

    Figures from the Department of Work and Pensions show that out of the 385,000 under-25s claiming housing benefit, 204,000 have children.

    He said it was necessary to look at the “interaction of the benefit system with the choices people make about having a family”, arguing the welfare system encouraged working-age people to have children but not work, making taxpayers resentful.

    He also suggested there could be a loosening of benefit conditions for those who have paid into the system through work but have lost their job, against those who have never worked.

    Other questions Mr Cameron raised but did not address in detail were whether school leavers should be allowed to draw benefits, whether non-contributory benefits should be paid to those living abroad and if the majority of benefits should continue to be paid in cash rather than in kind.

    His idea to scrap housing benefit for people aged under 25 would save almost £2bn a year, but housing charity Shelter fears the consequences of such a move.

    Chief executive Campbell Robb said: “To take away housing benefit from hundreds of thousands of young people – particularly in the current economic environment where young people in particular are finding it very difficult to find jobs – would have a devastating impact on many people’s lives.

    “I think we would see many more people ending up homeless as a result of this kind of very significant change.”

    Ahead of the speech Labour’s Liam Byrne said the prime minister was “coming at it from the wrong approach for the long-term”.

    “First we need stronger action to help people get back into work so Labour has said ‘Let’s put in place a jobs guarantee for young people’. We’re starting a debate about how childcare and social care could actually help people work the hours that are on offer,” he said.

    In March, the government’s Welfare Reform Act received Royal Assent. That act – which applies to England, Scotland and Wales – introduces an annual cap on benefits and overhauls many welfare payments.

    Lib Dem Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander told BBC One’s Sunday Politics show that Mr Cameron was free to set out his own thinking but that the coalition had already brought in radical welfare reform, which should be allowed to “bed-in” and warned against “repeating the mistakes of the 1980s”.

    Chancellor George Osborne indicated in his March Budget that the welfare bill should be cut by another £10bn between 2015 – the expected year of the next election – and 2017. That is on top of the £18bn of cuts during the current parliament.

    Article + comments here.

    BBC

    June 25, 2012 at 3:22 pm

  10. In stead of resolving the shame that the unemployed in the UK are completely mistreated, the latter are still labelled as scroungers and spongers.

    janus777

    June 25, 2012 at 4:17 pm

  11. When will they make all the unemployed wear the same things, Orange Prison jumpsuits.. with community payback or work programme slave..

    Eric Greenwood

    June 25, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    • Just watch out for the tattooed number on the forearm.

      Actually on second thoughts this is probably a bit dated.

      These days will probably be a microchip with built in GPS and voice recorder inserted subcutaneously as part of the WP attachment process:
      “Just sign here to say you agree to our 24/7 digital monitoring service. What? You refuse to sign? May I remind you that failure to engage will lead to a sanction doubt … will lead to having no money…. will lead to starvation…would you like to reconsider?… The insertiopn is practically painless and after a while you won’t notice the lump under your skin, all the best people are having it done”

      Gissajob

      June 25, 2012 at 9:09 pm

  12. Don’t give them ideas, Gissa.

    Ha! The bouncers will have those scanners as you are herded through the ever narrowing entrances/exits.

    “if your chip don’t ‘beep’, you’re not coming in”.

    They’ll probably trial such Orwellian tech on us scroungers soon.

    Good luck with that. Many are indeed a little dumbed down, but by no means all. Thankfully.

    Mr No

    June 25, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    • Some Welfare-to-Work companies already, appearently, make some people carry round Mobiles so that they can be constantly contacted (and persumably traced).

      Andrew Coates

      June 26, 2012 at 9:38 am

      • STOP! Labour/Conservative = masks on the same face. There is more than enough for everybody, but in order for the few to live like kings millions must suffer and this is all a distraction. Study your history and you will understand the true agenda like reducing our population numbers quite knowingly. Every single person in the houses of Parliament is a free mason. It’s all just a show to cover the back story that will make us all live in George Orwell’s prediction of 1984 Don’t just sit there!

        K Bedford

        June 26, 2012 at 9:59 am


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