Ipswich Unemployed Action.

Campaigning for Unemployed Rights.

SEETEC and Rising Unemployment.

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On the day of the new unemployment figures this tale may be relevant.

It was told to me two days ago.

It comes from a former employee of the notorious SEETEC (Ipswich).

Now over the years I’ve met a number of former employees of the Unemployment Bizniz.  

That is the companies that are meant to ‘help’ us back to work.

But this one gave me the frankest insight into their mentality that I’ve yet got.

According to this person (I quote liberally),

“We used to give them help in their CVs and all that stuff but they all turn up on drugs and booze and, hey what can you do? ”

On asked how people on the Dole could afford to buy enough Blow, Charlie, Tinnies of Tennents’  Super to last them a whole long course at SEETEC, I got this reply,

“Ah but they do. You just don’t know what you’re talking about.”

Next came the view, unasked for, that the sonner people were put into labour camps the better.

The person claimed to have worked for SEETEC in Ipswich for two years.

This story is not made up.

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Written by Andrew Coates

November 17, 2011 at 4:43 pm

27 Responses

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  1. I cannot claim to be surprised. Sounds about right. On par with the views of those working for TNG!

    Work Programme

    November 17, 2011 at 6:29 pm

  2. and those in the government

    anon

    November 18, 2011 at 3:18 am

  3. I was on new deal run by Seetec at a different location. I didn’t see one person who turned up drunk.

    Samuel L Jakcson

    November 18, 2011 at 10:17 am

  4. Ignorance is bliss…. some people develop the trait to an art form. The psychology of people who suggest that the unemployed should be placed into Labour Camps tells you more about the psychology of the individual making the comment, and about their utter contempt for their own life, than it does about the unemployed.

    Sounds like the pleb couldn’t get a job as a Clerk in Job Centre Plus, the organisation that he worked for lost access to the proverbial Gravy Train (such as A4E, Working Links) thanks to the Conservatives terminating Flexible New Deal, and is more than likely fearful for their own job and being trapped on benefits himself.

    But the Nazis did put a sign over the Concentration Camps “Arbeit macht frei”… “Work Will Set You Free”.

    Rebecca Pidgeon

    November 18, 2011 at 10:58 am

  5. Conscripts undertaking forced labour through the jobcentre and providers are having their legal rights with respect to Health and Safety denied to them.

    Here is an example of how Health and Safety operates in the modern workplace:

    “A Lawyer who fell 45ft down a mine shaft died after fire chiefs refused to mount an immediate rescue operation because of health and safety fears.

    Alison Hume, 44, was left lying in agony in the cold and dark for eight hours with several broken bones.

    A report into her death yesterday found she could have survived if rank-and-file firemen had been allowed to do their job and bring her out.

    One fireman had been lowered down while a paramedic was strapped up in a harness ready to follow.

    But bosses refused to use a winch to lift out the mother-of-two because they were slavishly following rules which said the equipment could only be used to save their own staff.

    Instead they waited through the early hours of the morning for a police mountain rescue team to arrive.

    Mrs Hume was lifted out but died shortly afterwards from a heart attack brought on by hypothermia.

    I have highlighted the part about heart attacks being brought on by hypothermia because it appears that the government is intent on killing of large swathes of the population using this method.

    For anyone interested the full article is here.

    here.

    Health and Safety Inspector

    November 18, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    • Remember this: Good men must not obey the laws too well.

      Nalik

      November 18, 2011 at 6:01 pm

  6. Article here.

    Health and Safety Inspector

    November 18, 2011 at 12:41 pm

  7. Benefits appeals system ‘on brink of collapse’

    Thousands of ill and disabled people have become trapped in a revolving door of medical assessments and appeals at a cost of £80m, with many claimants on their second and third attempts to overturn rulings that remove their benefits.

    The government’s drive to cut Britain’s multibillion-pound welfare bill by moving long-term unemployed people off sickness benefit and into work is at risk of descending into chaos, according to a Channel 4 news investigation.

    The work capability assessment programme, which assesses benefit claimants to see whether they are fit for work is “teetering on the brink of collapse” as the system becomes clogged up with appeals.

    Ministers introduced more stringent medical tests as part of welfare reforms designed to cut the number of people claiming incapacity benefits, currently at 2.4 million. They say sickness benefits are too often abused as an excuse for being out of work, and have pledged to end what they call the “something for nothing” culture.But the number of appeals by claimants who believe they have been incorrectly assessed as medically able to work has quadrupled in two years, with the projected numbers for 2011-12 expected to reach 240,000.

    In one case uncovered by Channel 4, a former barmaid placed on benefits after being diagnosed with musculo-skeletal problems was declared as capable for work, having being given zero points at her work capability assessment medical test.

    Her appeal found she was incapable of working for health reasons, having reassessed her “score” as 15 points. As a result her benefit was reinstated but the process took so long that she faced another assessment, which found her fit for work. She is now appealing against that decision.

    The logjam in the appeals system has meant that even claimants who lose their appeal against being declared fit for work are not being directed to the jobs market.Because the appeals process can take more than six months, many claimants deemed medically able to work are entitled to make a new claim for sickness benefit.

    Jude Hawes, welfare benefits manager at Stoke Citizen’s Advice Bureau, tells the film there has been a “huge upsurge” in the numbers of appeals. “There’s not a day goes by that people aren’t coming through the door with them [appeals]… we’ve never known anything like that before.”

    Channel 4 news spoke to 30 Citizen’s Advice and legal advice centres in Britain. All reported that they had clients on their second or third appeal. Many described the system as “close to meltdown” and one said the system was “teetering on the brink of collapse.”The Channel 4 news film, which airs on Monday says the tribunals service that hears incapacity benefit appeals is overstretched, with some sitting on Saturdays to try to keep on top of demand. The cost of running these tribunals over the last two years is £80m, according to official estimates, with that figure expected to rise.

    The crisis has also reduced the number of long-term jobless being referred to Work Programme schemes to prepare them for work to a trickle, putting at risk the financial viability of companies and the specialist charities which are paid to make claimants “job ready.”

    A Department of Work and Pensions spokesperson said: “Welfare reform will ensure people no longer get written off to a life on benefits. Appeals increase whenever a benefit like ESA is introduced that is why we are working to ensure that problems can be dealt with so they do not unnecessarily proceed to a tribunal. We are also continuously improving the work capability assessment to ensure that it is as fair and effective as possible, bringing in changes recommended by Professor Harrington.

    “The Work Programme is ahead in terms of overall referrals. There is a larger than expected number of referrals from some of the more difficult to help groups but with variations in different categories. We are working to make sure there is a good flow of referrals to providers from all the different groups.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/nov/21/benefits-appeals-system-near-collapse

    Johnny Jack

    November 21, 2011 at 9:59 am

  8. I just found a “Six Tips On Work Programme Survival” here. Quite interesting. 🙂

    Johnny Jack

    November 21, 2011 at 8:19 pm

  9. Its amazing this is meant to be an action group have see more action on a pile dog turd no wonder we get away with what we do at
    Dwp u un employd have got no get up and go no body wants to stand up to dwp and challange em ova the illegal work programme shame on u all except WAYNE NALIK AND GISSAJOB

    Whistle blower for dwp and work programme

    November 28, 2011 at 6:34 pm

  10. I hope these people are ready for law suits when we win our cases for being forced to do forced labour and we wil win as anti slavery is againt our human rights and even the goverment cant worm out this one everybody that is on a work programme do same u want to contact a solistor and take action on grounds anti slavery as them telling u if u dont do the free labour thats u being forced and that amounts to anti slavery the more law suits we got going the better its going to be and the worst its going to be for them that are taking advantage of unemployded lets hope it was worth taking free labour because its going to turn out to be very exspensive and lets hope shut some of them teach them to be greedy and not taking on payed labour

    Wayne

    December 6, 2011 at 7:03 pm

  11. For all them that are on a work programme that needs a solistor to take there case against the dwp for forceing u to work or we wil stop your benefit thats u being forced and amounts to anti slavery . Contact jim duffy 8 hylton street birmingham b18 6hn u got no excuse now so take action thats my advice to u all that are on work programme and being made to do unpaid work

    Whistle blower 4 the unemployed rights

    December 7, 2011 at 10:17 pm

  12. If dis an action group would hate to see u all in an emergency have seen more action in a dog turd wakey wakey people we wont defeat the work programme dis way

    Wayne

    December 11, 2011 at 1:30 am

  13. Very pleased to find a site that recognises that not all job seekers are lazy,feckless, wasters . Perhaps those who do hold this view may change their minds when they join the ever increasing unemployment list. For those who do not wish to attend the infamous seetec training/ advice programme you don’t have to. Apart from the fact that it contravenes the 1997 Jobseekers Act the data protection act is also relevant here. The law demands respect for privacy of individuals. The Data Protection act sets the rules for the way in which organisations treat personal information. The employment service must not share information that can identify you personally with employment agencies(such as Seetec) without your permission. At your first meeting with Seetec you will be asked to sign a form in which you agree to the sharing of your info. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE TO THIS. Seetec and other agencies working with the employment service are paid on performance. If you do not agree to share your data you are of no use to them!

    lisa talbot

    January 4, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    • Listen, I think that you’re coming on a bit steep. It’s unlikely that you will just be dismissed by arguing that you do not want your data viewed by them. I’m not sure if you know by personal experience but I can assure you my sister would not say the same. You have made a good effort sharing your information and expressing your ideas. Well done

      Wayne Dickenson, banker

      January 4, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    • @lisa
      Not as simple as you make out lisa. Refusing permission to send data will not prevent providers passing what data they have to sub contractors – this is because the DWP is the Data Controller and Primes, sub primes, sub sub primes are deemed to be data users. What it does prevent is indiscriminate spamming of your details in the hope that someone will have a job vacancy (of some description) that they can send you to. Refusal is extremely unlikely to mean that they will leave you alone!
      Nevertheless everyone should:
      1) Refuse to sign the data waiver (withdraw it if already given)
      2) Refuse to provide a paper or soft copy CV
      3) Refuse to give e mail address, phone number and mobile number and tell provider that preferred contact method is by post.

      All of the above is well within your rights.
      See http://www.consent.me.uk/
      for more details.

      Still being a Spartacus!

      gissajob

      January 5, 2012 at 8:52 am

  14. Your link not working!

    gissajob

    January 5, 2012 at 3:23 pm

  15. when this goverment asked for suggestions, my idea was that the unemployed as iam. were given work by the council. i went down to the council each day and put to work.
    then when i did get a job, i would not have a hefty council tax bill each month, everyones a winner. heard absolutly nothing from this deaf goverment.
    now i have decided to take unpaid work for six weeks with seetec.
    in a job i would have been more keen at the latter

    del

    February 4, 2012 at 10:36 am

  16. this goverment flood this country out, then join the stupid eu flooding it out even more, no wonder the nhs is in trouble, and its difficult to find work
    those that are lucky to have a job, dont knock the unemployed no job is safe in the joke of a country

    del

    February 4, 2012 at 10:44 am

  17. scrap jobseekers start a labour exchange at local councils, scrap poll tax. i would work along side any staff from jobseekers seetec down at the council yard doing a hard days graft. far to many pen pushers wasting goverment public money

    del

    February 4, 2012 at 10:50 am

  18. Am currently delighting in the Seetec experience. They waste my time and I waste their time. But here’s a serious enquiry. Is there any demonstrable business relationship between Seetec and A4e? Can anyone throw any light on this? I would be fascinated to hear.

    steve prasher

    April 26, 2012 at 6:41 am

  19. stockport seetec told me if i did not go and clean shit up the would stop my unemployment money can the do this.

    james

    January 2, 2013 at 8:03 pm

  20. Seetec staff appear horrifyingly keen to get those they’re supposed to be helping sanctioned. Last year, I was assigned to work at a location (with no map to guide me) whose address was completely unfamiliar to me, and when I called the Hounslow office from which I had been given the worksite name to say I had been unable to get there, was yelled at (and when the Job centre to whom I reported this called Seetec, they insisted I could NOT be given another chance, and I was issued a 13-week sanction (quite rightly reversed on appeal!)
    This year, trying again, I spent just a day at new assignment…it was complete chaos: too many assignees for a very small space, almost no guidance from the two “supervisory” employees, AND at days end, I got reprimanded for using the bathroom too often (was told that on future days I would need to ask for a key!), and was told I HADN’T done what was expected of me
    -but neither of the two incompetents running the show had ever said what that was supposed to be…terrible experience!

    My already bad impression of Seetec from the previous experience was only magnified.

    I object to this program because of the fact that although unemployed, I have HAPPILY worked HUNDREDS of unpaid hours voluntarily for a charity over the last two years…and if we absolutely must have it, a company like Seetec should not be allowed to administer it!

    Edward Quinn

    March 24, 2015 at 5:23 am

  21. This is the reality: those claiming JSA have to be looking for work. End of. We are claiming JOB SEEKERS ALLOWANCE?!! There are good and bad advisors, my experience on the whole has been good. I didn’t ask to become unemployed. But, the assistance I’ve had at Seetec has been positive. I don’t see them as any different to anyone else being paid to do a job. If I was working, and was asked to follow procedures I would. I sit in seetecs office most days, using their computers, their printers, their paper and their phone to try and help myself find work. Rather use theirs as I can’t afford it! On these days I witness people coming in and refusing to do anything. I’m sorry, but blatantly don’t want to work at all. I want to better myself and will take all the support I can get! I’m spoken to as a person. Maybe because it’s i treat people the way I want to be treated. Do you think that if you go in, shouting the odds, being abusive and refusing to cooperate you’ll have an easy ride? And why should you?! I tell my kids to be respectful but I see a lot of disrespect from other centre users and maybe these people, who ARE trying to help you, are fed up of being treated like shit!! Here’s a suggestion. Why not put your energy into finding a job, taking any support offered, and stop bloody moaning!!

    Tara benett

    April 21, 2015 at 10:29 pm


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