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Unemployed risk losing benefits, says David Cameron

David Cameron announces scheme that will force people in government employment programme to do community work Article history

Prime minister David Cameron said anyone unable to find sustainable employment would be required to do at least 26 weeks community work. Photograph: PA

People unable to find a job after two years in the government’s work programme will be forced to do community work or face losing benefits, under a pilot scheme announced by David Cameron on Tuesday.

Cameron said anyone unable to find sustainable employment will be required to undertake at least 26 weeks community work lasting 30 hours a week in order to secure continued receipt of Job Seekers Allowance.

The scheme will be piloted in four areas before it is planned to go nationwide at broadly the same time as the introduction of the universal credit in 2013.

The former Labour work and pensions secretary James Purnell had proposed something similar in 2008, but it did not become law.

Ministers have alighted on 30 hours since they say this will be enough to familiarise the unemployed with the world of work.

Cameron told the liaison committee of MPs; “Have we created a benefit system that has insufficient responsibility at its heart? My answer is ‘yes we have’ which is why we need to change it”.

He complained the average time spent by some people looking for work on JSA is just eight minutes a day. “I don’t think that is sufficient,” he said.

Employment minister Chris Grayling added: “If people who are fit for employment, still haven’t managed to find a job after the intensive support provided by the work programme, we want them to do community work and get into the habit and routine of work. No one should expect to be able to sit at home doing nothing.”

He said that under the work programme the government was willing to spend £14,000 per long-term unemployed to find work. The still nascent work programme, largely adminstered by the private sector and voluntary groups, is designed to help the unemployed find work with help on job searches, advice on job applications and sometimes work experience.

The number of jobless likely to be forced into community work to hold onto their benefits is relatively small – the number of people out of work for more than two years is currently in the thousands.

Cameron made the announcement at a wide-ranging session of the liaison committee, broadly themed around the subject of the Big Society and the aftermath of the summer riots.

He also defended plans to increase the amount of benefit that can be withdrawn from a claimant if they break the law and are fined. The government has announced it intends to increase the maximum benefit withdrawal from £5 a week to £25 from 2013, the point at which universal credit is introduced.

He said “otherwise the man in work is forced to pay a fine whilst the person next door who is living on benefits gets off much more lightly”.

Critics claim the work programme comes perilously close to a form of compulsory work. From June job centre advisers can instruct claimants to undertake work placement activity. Participants are expected to spend up to 30 hours a week, for four weeks, on their work activity placement and will be required to continue to look for work.

“Every work placement will offer the jobseeker the opportunity to gain fundamental work disciplines and will be of benefit to the local community,” the DWP said. Customers who fail to complete  a placement without good cause will lose their Jobseeker’s Allowance for a minimum of three months.

Clearly this is forced labour. It is also likely to be used to replace properly paid workers in the public services. It puts the unemployed on the same level as those sentenced by the courts to do community service.

It is absolutely disgusting.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/nov/08/unemployed-risk-losing-benefits

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Written by Andrew Coates

November 9, 2011 at 11:42 am

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  1. […] The Unemployed for more 2 years will soon have to do 30 hours a week unpaid community service – here. […]

  2. It’s not unpaid community work; it’s called making some effort to pay back OUR taxes that you have enjoyed for doing NOTHING!

    Alex J. Napier Holland

    November 9, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    • I volunteer to do your job then for half the pay.

      As we will all be ‘volunteered’ to work for less than that this strikes me as a good deal.

      Andrew Coates

      November 9, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    • And what do you do to help your community? Or do you think because you have a job that excuses you from your own social responsibilities and that the poor only exist to wipe your shoes and sweep your drive? If we all had work who would do these things, you?

      wishface

      November 9, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    • To Alex J. Napier Holland: We precisely pay taxes so that the state looks after us when we don’t have any income. It isn’t the unemployed poor who are receiving your tax money, it is the UK government who themselves have not spending against poverty. Britain happens the least generous country in Western Europe in looking after the unemployed. If you are doing an underpaid job that has not connection with your education, I do not respect you.

      Nalik

      November 9, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    • To Alex: Your taxes have not been spent on the upkeep of the poor, they’ve been spent on questionable & genocidal wars.

      Nalik

      November 9, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    • It is not “your” tax I recieve.

      I have worked for over forty years and paid untold thousands of pounds in tax.

      I hope it isn’t too long before you learn how much effort it takes just to survive on the pathetic amount of “my” tax that I now get returned each week.

      Don’t worry though, you obviously have more names than braincells. You will undoubtably go far.

      Please do it NOW!

      Surplus Labour

      November 9, 2011 at 8:45 pm

  3. Under human rights act article 4 it STATES UNDER ANTI SLAVERY LAW THAT NO MAN SHALL BE FORCED TO WORK OR TAKE WORK THEY DONT WANT. What mr cameron is try to do by saying u wil have to do this os they wil stop your money thats u being forced and thats against the human rights act article 4 . And to as u to work next to a man convicted of a crime is also an act covered by human rights act ,u are unemployed not a convict – I suggest that all that are on work programme that we do like we should do and thats hold a peace full protest outside 10 downing street and make it clear to all newspapers that under article 4 anti slavery law we do not ave to take job we dont want , lets not moan work progr ammers lets all do sumthing about it first all write to the papers explaing that what david cameron is suggesting is forced labour and amounts to anti slavery and next I ask u all to ask when u sent out to do at the moment voluntary work when on work programme ask who u are insured with as I can tel u that u aint and who is qulifield to administrate a health and saftey prior to u starting as that another thing BY LAW THAT U SHOULD BE GIVEN PRIOR TO U STARTING THAT U DONT GET EMAIL ME AT waynegreen04@gmail.com lets make a stand for whats law as this amounts to ANTI SLAVERY AND WE CANT LET THEM TAKE OUR RIGHTS AWAY

    Wayne

    November 9, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    • Well remember the pole tax riots, well something bigger is going to happen, just check out the Facebook page. The government can’t do what it’s doing and they will pay just like Thatcher did. We need more organizers join now!

      David Hanson

      January 14, 2013 at 1:11 am

    • Ok ”Wayne” & Others. Has anybody ever told you. YOU GET NOTHING FOR FREE. This includes benefits. Let me spell this out for you. T H I S I N C L U D E S B E N E F I T S.

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      January 14, 2013 at 10:25 am

  4. Read this this morning and commenting on it on my own blog. It’s nothing really new, though nonetheless utterly repugnant. Making the poor clear up the mess of the feckless rich is not going to help anyone and sends a very clear message: do what we say or else. Where is the social responsibility for the bankers and the greedy politicians? I guess this is Cameron’s way of getting someone to sort his Wisteria out for free. The man is utter scum, as is Grayling.

    wishface

    November 9, 2011 at 4:18 pm

  5. A couple of useful links:

    Over 400 leaked(?) DWP documents re WP
    http://www.scribd.com/Work_Programme_DWP

    The Ingeus WP “delivery model”
    http://ingeusstaff.co.uk/diagram

    Johnny Jack

    November 9, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    • To DWP Purchase Order Department: DWP is a dystopian organization whilst welfare services n other West European countries, such as Denmark & Belgian, is utopian. Do you agree?

      Nalik

      November 9, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    • Yes 🙂

      DWP Purchase Order Department

      November 9, 2011 at 7:14 pm

  6. “In addition to providing the 30 hours per week participation on a work placement you should maintain at least a minimum of weekly contact with each participant and have the flexibility to deliver up to 10 hours of additional provider-led jobsearch support each week. You may require participants to undertake up to a maximum of 10 hours of additional support. This is a key element of the programme and setting this limit ensures that participants can be engaged in meaningful activity for a maximum of 40 hours a week”

    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/wp-cap-4.pdf

    Community Action Programme

    November 9, 2011 at 7:43 pm

  7. “The claimant group for the trailblazer will be a selection of JSA claimants who are 18 years or over and who have participated in the Flexible New Deal (FND) programme and returned to JCP.”

    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/wp-cap-2.pdf

    Community Action Programme

    November 9, 2011 at 7:44 pm

  8. “To understand how best to support very long-term JSA claimants who may reach the end of the Work Programme from 2013, we will be running a small-scale trial from November 2011.”

    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/wp-cap-1.pdf

    Community Action Programme

    November 9, 2011 at 7:45 pm

  9. “Where a participant is not taking part in a work placement, either before a placement has been sourced or between placements, providers will be expected to deliver a minimum of 30 hours jobsearch support per week/on a pro rata basis between placements.
    Note: time spent on jobsearch support cannot be counted towards completed weeks for a completion fee.”

    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/wp-cap-4.pdf

    Community Action Programme

    November 9, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    • Again—-Has anybody explained to you that a job on the work programme can lead to a proper job. What’s the problem with you guys. As for health and saftey. Employer, Employee, PARTICIPANT, Etc. Everybody is responsible for health and saftey. Read the health and saftey notices.

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      January 14, 2013 at 10:35 am

  10. “Early completion of CAP can only occur if the participant dies.”

    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/wp-cap-11.pdf

    Community Action Programme

    November 9, 2011 at 7:54 pm

  11. “The number of jobless likely to be forced into community work to hold onto their benefits is relatively small – the number of people out of work for more than two years is currently in the thousands.”

    c.f.

    “More than 400,000 people have been unemployed for over two years – the highest number since 1997.” (Aug/11)

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/number-of-longterm-unemployed-doubles-2345521.html

    Malc

    November 9, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    • 🙂

      Pinocchio

      November 9, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    • To Malc: Good newspaper article you have included in your comment even though it is 2 months old.

      Nalik

      November 9, 2011 at 8:49 pm

  12. CA/COMMUNITY ACTION PROGRAMME

    Vacancy from

    Job No:

    LGB/29436

    SOC Code:

    0

    Wage

    N/A

    Hours

    26WKS,30HRS PER WK WORK EX UP TO 10 HRS SUPP JOB SEARCH

    Location

    CA EAST MIDS LE11

    Duration

    Permanent

    Date posted

    05 November 2011

    Pension details

    No details held

    Description

    None Entered.

    How to apply

    For further details about job reference LGB/29436, please telephone Jobseeker Direct on 0845 6060 234. Lines are open 8.00am – 6.00pm weekdays only. All calls are charged at local rate. Call charges may be different if you call from a mobile phone. Alternatively, visit your local Jobcentre Plus Office and use the customer access phones provided to call Jobseeker Direct. The textphone service for deaf and hearing-impaired people is 0845 6055 255.

    Community Action Programme

    November 9, 2011 at 8:30 pm

  13. CA/COMMUNITY ACTION PROGRAMME

    Vacancy from

    Job No:

    WBG/21683

    SOC Code:

    0

    Wage

    N/A

    Hours

    26WKS,30HRS PER WK WORK EX UP TO 10 HRS SUPP JOB SEARCH

    Location

    CA EAST OF ENG IP12

    Duration

    Permanent

    Date posted

    05 November 2011

    Pension details

    No details held

    Description

    None Entered.

    How to apply

    For further details about job reference WBG/21683, please telephone Jobseeker Direct on 0845 6060 234. Lines are open 8.00am – 6.00pm weekdays only. All calls are charged at local rate. Call charges may be different if you call from a mobile phone. Alternatively, visit your local Jobcentre Plus Office and use the customer access phones provided to call Jobseeker Direct. The textphone service for deaf and hearing-impaired people is 0845 6055 255.

    Community Action Programme

    November 9, 2011 at 8:34 pm

  14. 26 weeks at 30 hours a weeks is 780 hours, more than twice that given to offenders. The implication is obvious, the government would rather the unemployed resorted to petty crime than claim unemployment benefit.

    For example: Burglary in a building other than a dwelling, with no aggravating factors, involving goods less than £20,000, has a starting point for sentencing of 18 weeks – but with mitigation it could be reduced to a Community order. [Sentencing Guidelines Council]. The maximum which the court can impose is 300 hours (less than half the sentence imposed for unemployment).

    Anton

    November 9, 2011 at 9:17 pm

  15. All the Community Action Programme “vacancies” appear to be in the East of England or the East Midlands.

    Don’t seem to be able to search for them on the JCP website unless you know the job code, but they were listed on 5 Nov on this site:

    http://www.jobbasket.co.uk/#/?ins=1&page=8&area=&k=community+action+programme&latitude=&longitude=&radius=5&sector=All&contract=all&salary=0&order=added&inline=on&s=1

    Community Action Programme

    November 9, 2011 at 9:34 pm

  16. this between the lines suggests that the work programme is not going to deliver the “sustainable” employment that’s been been widely talked about (or had been expected in the real world) and further measures are being planned,equally its to “up the anti” against those placed on it. a political ploy of playing games with words talk is cheap.even after this twenty six weeks there isnt any sustainable employment.back to square one

    eight minutes a day this looks to be contradictory to the intensive support supposedly offered by the work programme both mentioned together.evidence suggests the hardest to help are quickly placed over to other parties on the work programme if they are considered outside the scope of main providers signed up to it.

    “advice on job applications and sometimes work experience”

    sounds a little like no so intensive, as most will have covered this before and access to a computer is adequate,mr cameron talks big but delivers very little in results.really rather the spin created cheaply deflects the problems, those lay deeply outside the unemployed.

    perhaps he should reflect on his on position and is it sustainable.

    ken

    November 9, 2011 at 10:21 pm

  17. To all that are on WORK PROGRAMME May I take this moment to ask you, to ask u, to ask no to demand to see the insurance certificate that states that u are insured to be where u have bin sent ie charity shops dly pubs garden centers also demand to see the certificate to show who has been fully trained to be able to administrate a health and saftey with u prior to u starting with them as THIS HAS TO BE DONE BY LAW AND NONE OF THE ABOVE IS DONE U ARE NOT INSURED TO BE THERE AS U NEVER VOLUNTEERD TO GO U WAS FORCED BY WORK PROGRAMME STAFF AND U AINT A EMPLOYEE AS U AINT ON THE BOOKS AND ON ALL COURSE HAVE NEVER ONCE HAD HEALTH AND SAFTEY PRIOR TO STARTING THEY ARE BREACHING THE LAW BY MAKEING U GO OUT UNINSURED AND WITH OUT A QUALIFIED HEALTH AND SAFTEY AND THEY MUST DO THIS BY LAW . So what am saying work programmers check u are insured to b where they send u and that u recive the correct health and saftey as if u have an accident and injure some body it wil be you they sue not the provider my advice check and check again my email if there is a lawyer out there would like your point on matters law thank u my email waynegreen04@gmail.com also work programmers if there is one payed employee where they send u – u are coverd by same work rules as them ie break time off ie holidays and thats law trust me ,

    Wistle blower for dhss

    November 10, 2011 at 10:11 am

    • I know this from experience cos I accidentally dropped a tin of beans on a customer’s toe and it was ME that her solicitors came NOT the provider nor Tesco nor the DWP. There is NO-ONE liable for you – you are your own liability. What would happen if you accidentally drove over someone in a forklift truck?

      Tesco Slave

      November 10, 2011 at 10:29 am

      • I would strongly advise against working anywhere in any shape, form or capacity whilst uninsured – to do so is to leave oneself open to a legal can of words. The same applies to Health & Safety – failure to have observed the correct procedures either intentionally, unwillingly or unknowingly can and does lead to an Indictable Prosecution and can and does result in a very lengthy prison sentence and/or substantial fine.

        Disclaimer: This advice is given freely and should not be treated as an Embodiment of Law either wholly or in part; seek independent Legal Advice.

        Legal Expert

        November 10, 2011 at 3:02 pm

      • Correction: legal can of worms – Freudian Slip!

        Legal Expert

        November 10, 2011 at 3:14 pm

  18. Correction: legal can of worms – Freudian Slip!

    Legal Expert

    November 10, 2011 at 3:03 pm

  19. They worked in silence for some time, and then Owen said:

    `At the present time there are thousands of people so badly off that, compared with them, WE are RICH. Their sufferings are so great that compared with them, we may be said to be living in luxury. You know that, don’t you?’

    `Yes, that’s true enough, mate. We really ought to be very thankful: we ought to consider ourselves lucky to ‘ave a inside job like this when there’s such a lot of chaps walkin’ about doin’ nothing.’

    `Yes,’ said Owen: `we’re lucky! Although we’re in a condition of abject, miserable poverty we must consider ourselves lucky that we’re not actually starving.’

    Owen was painting the door; Easton was doing the skirting. This work caused no noise, so they were able to converse without difficulty.

    `Do you think it’s right for us to tamely make up our minds to live for the rest of our lives under such conditions as that?’

    `No; certainly not,’ replied Easton; `but things are sure to get better presently. Trade hasn’t always been as bad as it is now. Why, you can remember as well as I can a few years ago there was so much work that we was putting in fourteen and sixteen hours a day. I used to be so done up by the end of the week that I used to stay in bed nearly all day on Sunday.’

    `But don’t you think it’s worth while trying to find out whether it’s possible to so arrange things that we may be able to live like civilized human beings without being alternately worked to death or starved?’

    `I don’t see how we’re goin’ to alter things,’ answered Easton. `At the present time, from what I hear, work is scarce everywhere. WE can’t MAKE work, can we?’

    `Do you think, then, that the affairs of the world are something like the wind or the weather – altogether beyond our control? And that if they’re bad we can do nothing but just sit down and wait for them to get better?’

    `Well, I don’t see ‘ow we can odds it. If the people wot’s got the money won’t spend it, the likes of me and you can’t make ’em, can we?’

    Owen looked curiously at Easton.

    `I suppose you’re about twenty-six now,’ he said. `That means that you have about another thirty years to live. Of course, if you had proper food and clothes and hadn’t to work more than a reasonable number of hours every day, there is no natural reason why you should not live for another fifty or sixty years: but we’ll say thirty. Do you mean to say that you are able to contemplate with indifference the prospect of living for another thirty years under such conditions as those we endure at present?’

    Easton made no reply.

    `If you were to commit some serious breach of the law, and were sentenced next week to ten years’ penal servitude, you’d probably think your fate a very pitiable one: yet you appear to submit quite cheerfully to this other sentence, which is – that you shall die a premature death after you have done another thirty years’ hard labour.’

    Easton continued painting the skirting.

    `When there’s no work,’ Owen went on, taking another dip of paint as he spoke and starting on one of the lower panels of the door, `when there’s no work, you will either starve or get into debt. When – as at present – there is a little work, you will live in a state of semi-starvation. When times are what you call “good”, you will work for twelve or fourteen hours a day and – if you’re VERY lucky – occasionally all night. The extra money you then earn will go to pay your debts so that you may be able to get credit again when there’s no work.’

    Easton put some putty in a crack in the skirting.

    `In consequence of living in this manner, you will die at least twenty years sooner than is natural, or, should you have an unusually strong constitution and live after you cease to be able to work, you will be put into a kind of jail and treated like a criminal for the remainder of your life.’

    Having faced up the cracks, Easton resumed the painting of the skirting.

    `If it were proposed to make a law that all working men and women were to be put to death – smothered, or hung, or poisoned, or put into a lethal chamber – as soon as they reached the age of fifty years, there is not the slightest doubt that you would join in the uproar of protest that would ensue. Yet you submit tamely to have your life shortened by slow starvation, overwork, lack of proper boots and clothing, and though having often to turn out and go to work when you are so ill that you ought to be in bed receiving medical care.’

    Easton made no reply: he knew that all this was true, but he was not without a large share of the false pride which prompts us to hide our poverty and to pretend that we are much better off than we really are. He was at that moment wearing the pair of second-hand boots that Ruth had bought for him, but he had told Harlow – who had passed some remark about them – that he had had them for years, wearing them only for best. He felt very resentful as he listened to the other’s talk, and Owen perceived it, but nevertheless he continued:

    `Unless the present system is altered, that is all we have to look forward to; and yet you’re one of the upholders of the present system – you help to perpetuate it!’

    `’Ow do I help to perpetuate it?’ demanded Easton.

    `By not trying to find out how to end it – by not helping those who are trying to bring a better state of things into existence. Even if you are indifferent to your own fate – as you seem to be – you have no right to be indifferent to that of the child for whose existence in this world you are responsible. Every man who is not helping to bring about a better state of affairs for the future is helping to perpetuate the present misery, and is therefore the enemy of his own children. There is no such thing as being natural: we must either help or hinder.’

    ..

    Ragged Trouser Philanthropist

    November 11, 2011 at 2:07 pm

  20. The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists by Robert Tressell

    http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/3608

    Project Gutenburg

    November 11, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    • Ragged Trousered Philanthropists – A fav.

      Loads of my mates, when I was about 18, used to rave about this.

      It’s proof of its power that working class people (they were mostly working for Camden Council Parks though one was a Railwayman) in the early 1970s could relate to it so well – despite, well, you can imagine, people who smoked blow, liked the Furry Freak Brothers, listened to Pink Floyd, and went to Rock Festivals.

      I re-read it a year back and it really makes a lot of things clear.

      Btw: they all became life-long leftists.

      Andrew Coates

      November 12, 2011 at 10:30 am

  21. http://www.manybooks.net/titles/tresselletext03rggdp10.html

    Reviews

    anthony david simmons

    I read this book a few months ago and its never been out of my mind.I am just an ordinary person,a worker you might say.The book is so relevent in our society today it could have been written last week.

    2008.09.04
    Im Cheungjun

    As a Japanese citizen, I was amazed to find that the working condition in England a hundred years ago is so similar to that of the present Japan where 10 million people work in low-paid jobs with no security or social benefits. This novel gives me a lot of food for thought.

    2005.12.06
    David Wearing

    An eye opening work of uncanny relevance today in my Australian context as the present Liberal government proceeds to emasculate the employees and unions with draconian Industrial Relations legislation.

    Coupled with Anti-Terrorist legislation removing individual rights and freedoms which US citizens have enshrined in their constitution I hold grave fears for this country which has been so good to me.

    I believe people have forgotten how bad things can be when left up to the “bosses discretion” and how hard won all of the working conditions we enjoy today were.

    In 10 years time Australia will be ripe for “The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists of Australia 2015.”
    Unfortunately, probably true for a lot of countries. How sad is that?

    I will be recommending this book to as many people as I can.

    Project Gutenburg

    November 11, 2011 at 6:45 pm

  22. Instead of moaning job seekers lets make a stand and all write letters to all the major national news papers to inform them that we being sent out to do voluntary work no forced as we aint given ne health and saftey aint insured aint given ne saftey equipment , only us lot together can make a difference and put a stop to this so come on job seekers make a stand ????????????

    Whistle blower

    November 12, 2011 at 11:31 am

  23. the unemployed were placed with offenders on new deal placements its really just the same thing.

    the government are all to aware these placements prove unpopular with the unemployed but prove the opposite to to the voters,it hasn’t worked before and is highly unlikely to do so again cost large sums to administer with poor results resulting in more bad publicity then the fall back to they “don’t want to work” chorus line.

    ken

    November 15, 2011 at 1:05 pm

  24. What makes me laugh about this, is just the lack of subtlety. The Work Programme is atleast disguised as beneficial for us, as in we get training, help looking for work we want etc.

    In what way is community service beneficial towards me getting a job? I’m being trained in what? How to clean up litter and clean graffiti? How is that beneficial to me wanting to work in admin for example?

    “If people who are fit for employment, still haven’t managed to find a job after the intensive support provided by the work programme, we want them to do community work and get into the habit and routine of work. No one should expect to be able to sit at home doing nothing.”

    So basically this is a scheme to punish the lazy by punishing everyone? I dont do “nothing” all day, I go out looking for work, is it my fault there simply arent enough jobs out there for us all? No. Why should I be punished just because a small percentage are comfortable on the pathetic amount of money we get. Plus you can hardly call what the Work Programme does as “Intensive support”. They, by choice, call me in once every 2 weeks to do a 15 minute job search, I do more to look for a job in one day than the Work Programme does in 2 weeks, and thats their so called “intensive support”? Haha. I spat my tea out when I read it, uncontrollable laughter.

    “He complained the average time spent by some people looking for work on JSA is just eight minutes a day. “I don’t think that is sufficient,” he said.”

    Where does he get this figure from? Everyone I personally know including myself are out looking everyday, handing CV’s into businesses, cold-calling, applying for jobs online, and pleading to employers to take me on. I have even been through numerous Work Trials in hopes to secure a job, and then the employer says no because they remembered they’d have to pay me.. Also if he believes the average is 8 minutes now, does he seriously think it will get better when we’re being forced to do community service for 30 hours a week, coming home exhausted? No one will have energy to do a job search. It’s just an excuse to push the unemployed about.

    I am absolutely sick of being branded as a low-life scrounger, when the majority of us are desperately seeking work.

    They know this Work Programme isnt going to live up to the expectation they claimed to have, since they’re already working on this. Oh well maybe their expectations of this Community Service getting us into work will prove successful, dont know how it will work, maybe its magic? For every hour of community service, a new job suddenly appears! Also while cleaning the streets, you get your own personal advisor, sure he’s fresh out of prison, but he knows how to put a CV together!

    I love how tax-payers are quick to say “Oh you should do this, afterall I’m paying for your money”. Well I’m grateful for the modest sum of money I get that lets me scarcely survive. Did anyone see about them wanting Ground to Air missiles for the olympics? And then they say its the unemployed draining the economy. I literally bury my face in my palm and cry for this country.

    Chris

    November 17, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    • Well, get off your backside and get a job then you lazy good-for-nothing bone-idle scrounger.

      Sir Rupert Ramsbottom-Winterton-Fortesque-Smythe

      November 17, 2011 at 8:31 pm

      • Here, here, Sir Rupert – the sooner these lazy, work-shy scroungers are put in labour camps the better.

        Lady Penelope Muck

        November 17, 2011 at 11:55 pm

      • I’m a young adult with no real work experience, I do voluntary work as much as I can, so my CV is choca-full of 3 pages worth, and 6 years worth of voluntary work. Yet it doesnt seem to help. 😦

        I almost secured a job recently, I did a 4 weeks work trial and the manager wanted to take me on, until his boss told him to downsize and he said he couldnt take me on, and sacked one of his employees.

        Sad thing is, I would gladly work part time, 16 hours, which would get me a little extra than my current JSA, yet for some reason no one will take me. Maybe you can employ me? ^_^

        Chris

        November 18, 2011 at 1:38 am

  25. let’s be honest here these programs have not worked,people placed on them have various histories and backgrounds and many are in/out of employment or little work history at all,this sadly has become more and more common.claims of sustainable employment are particularly highly risible when the government has cut the time someone can claim via a tribunal for unfair dismissal and easier to sack.

    as usual this week we have heard the crisis in the eurozone and the affect on the british jobs,chris grayling on lbc radio making great point to this on the release of one million youth unemployed,this has again provided a convenient media diversion from the crisis here a deficit at greek levels.this country alone would have triggered a crisis in the euro if it was a member.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15276765

    a 400m loss to the taxpayer over the sale of northern rock yet david cameron is telling europe to sort the euro currency out.

    ken

    November 19, 2011 at 7:36 am

  26. I passed a group of people in Peterborough on Friday, Working along the river bank east of the ‘London Road’ picking up dog turds. Across each of their Hl-Vis Vests was ‘Work Programme Community Service’. The Yob in charge, was treating them as criminals. I will not repeat the language used by him.

    And for the benefit of the ‘daily heil readers’, I do have a job 🙂

    Custard Pie

    November 21, 2011 at 10:12 am

    • Ah, but what a shining economy we have compared to all those nasty Germans!

      Andrew Coates

      November 21, 2011 at 12:04 pm

  27. it seems that in the past the middle class were the ones who slated the working class on the dole/sick of course this stems from the loss of jobs in the 80s mainly the jobs in production manufactoring of course these jobs were not replaced instead the service/financial grew but only slightly.Now these jobs are being lost and the middle class are going to be hit hard when public service jobs are gone.I can see riots on the streets like nothing seen before in our lifetimes so its not going to be easy and the three main political partys hav,nt a clue what to do about it so don,t call people on jsa scroungers you cold be the next

    jim walker

    November 21, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    • Jim Walker: Agreed. The future looks frightening if you are poor and belong to the lower class in the UK. I believe that if the middle class cared more about the lower class, the welfare state would not be criticized.

      Nalik

      November 21, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    • But the middle-class are scum; if the lower classes were being shipped off to gas chambers they wouldn’t lift a finger so long as their but-to-let property portfolios were intact. It is only now they see their own cushy middle-class lifestyles under threat they are trying to co-opt the lower classes to into going battle for them. The middle-class have cut their own throat. The sooner the good ship middle-class sinks the better – and it will. The middle-class are toast; they can go burn!

      Toast

      November 22, 2011 at 7:28 am

    • The struggling middle classes need a new welfare state

      The force behind Obama’s Middle Class Taskforce is in London with lessons about the perils of ‘you’re on your own’ economics

      Liam Byrne

      Two years ago, I was in a threadbare office in the Old Executive Office Building next to the White House, listening to a man who had just told me why Labour was about to lose the next election.

      Jared Bernstein, then chief economist to vice president Joe Biden and the intellectual force behind Barack Obama’s Middle Class Taskforce, was explaining the crisis unfolding among middle income Americans. I suddenly realised that this was almost certainly what was happening in Britain.

      I came home and asked Alistair Darling if we could set up a team investigating British living standards. Sure enough, three months later some of the Treasury’s best civil servants came back and confirmed that Britain’s middle classes were under huge pressure. The squeeze had been under way since 2004 and was set to get worse. I presented the findings to cabinet two months before the general election – but it was all too late. At the polls, we lost the squeezed middle – and with them the general election.

      When Ed Miliband first put the squeezed middle on the political map last year, there were plenty in the Westminster village who mocked him. Not any more. Commentators now see exactly what millions of families are now feeling: the biggest pressure on living standards since the 1920s. Indeed, just last week, the Aviva Family Finance survey confirmed that family incomes had dropped yet again – worst hit were couples with a child, who saw a 6% drop in their household income compared to the last quarter.

      This week, Bernstein is in London talking to the Resolution Foundation and others about what we can learn from America. Politicians of all parties should be listening hard – and no one more than George Osborne, whose deficit plan is about to triple the squeeze on working parents.

      In five months’ time, new cuts of £1bn to children’s benefits kick in, followed by the cut in child benefit for higher rate taxpayers – that’s triple the value of the net cuts in children’s benefits last year. In other words, working families already under pressure from inflation running at twice the rate of wage growth are about to take another kicking. That won’t be good for consumer confidence or aggregate demand or the service sector.

      Solving the problem of the squeezed middle isn’t easy. Right now corporate profitability is rising and so are corporate cash balances – but workers’ share of the national economic pie is still falling. That’s why Miliband is right to say we need a debate about what good business looks like – because good business rewards workers for success.

      But second, we need a different kind of welfare reform. Today’s welfare state doesn’t work for the squeezed middle. They feel they pay in – and get too little out. The government’s changes are all about the workless. That’s important. But what about those who are working? They need more not less childcare. They need help with social care. They need help reskilling when they lose their job. They need more help with saving for the long term. In other words the squeezed middle need a new welfare state that works for the modern world.

      America is a warning of what happens if we fail this test. Quite simply we end up in a land of two nations – what Bernstein calls “Yoyo economics” – “you’re on your own”. Since the early 1970s, the gigantic growth in American productivity has barely produced any improvement at all in the real income of the average American family – the prizes have been carried off by a richer, super-elite that is now the target of the Occupy movement. It’s what Time magazine has described as “the death of the American dream”.

      This week’s debate could not come at a more opportune moment. Ahead of the budget, and next year’s 70th anniversary of the Beveridge report, we need a new debate about how we return political economy away from the politics of Yoyo economics, and back to an approach that genuinely recognises that we are all in this together. We owe Bernstein a lot for getting us started.

      Full article + comments here .

      The Guardian

      November 22, 2011 at 12:25 pm

      • Guardian: I read the article and it is interesting.

        Nalik

        November 22, 2011 at 9:06 pm

      • The comments on the article are on to this dog turd of a chancer Liam Byrne. Now that his beloved “middle-classes” lifestyle are in a precarious position, the very “middle-classes” who are cheering the destruction of our Welfare State and now that the odious policies his of ilk are catching up on those who so vehemently supported them – “Gosh, is my son/daughter now expected to work in Poundland for £50 a week, but s/he has got a degree for goodness sake, we are a respectable middle-class family for crying out loud!” – the odious creep is attempting to float the idea of a “two-tier” benefits system whereby the “middle-classes” enjoy higher benefits and can take advantage of quality training whilst the “lower orders” are left to pick up dog turds.

        Red Miner

        November 23, 2011 at 10:03 am

  28. It is deemed against human rights to make criminals do this. I am unemployed, NOT A CRIMINAL, yet I cannot leave town without written permission from the job centre. Will they pay minimum wage? or will I just get £2.16ph cuz I’m not working even tho I will be working? The last time I did MWRA aka training, I was not trained in anything, instead the profit making company used my existing skills, they got free labour (should have cost them £2000 for 1 month going rate, they got it free, tax payer still paid my £65pw JSA), I had no choice, they even said there will be no job at the end cuz the next free person will replace me. Indeed I even had to give up the 15 hours per week charity volunteering that I did to keep active. I was a succesful production planner for 15 years until redunancy, I ran a succesful B&B for 3 years until the owner sold it. Now every job I apply for has had over 100 applicants, including minimum wage jobs. The last 3 reasons for not getting the job 1 Not enough recent experience, 2 Over qualified, 3 I Don’t speak Polish (picking & packing in a warehouse). I am specifically not allowed to study, sure I can get a free fork lift licence but every1 has 1. I can get free “learn how to send an email” no good to me I am an advanced PC user. All the free courses that I can do are meaningless, I don’t have the money to do any meaningful course e.g. HGV licence. I’ve been on the dole over 3 years now, I could have got a degree in that time, but I cant afford it, & I’m not allowed to do it anyway under JSA rules. A job I did 5 years ago, same job same company same people, now pays £5k pa less & now needs you to have a degree to do it. Needless to say I didn’t get that job cuz I dont have the degree. Another job I did they are crying out for staff, I have a successful track record in it, but they use personality testing, only 1 person in the last 100 applicants passed their test, computer says no, my existing track record was ignored, I simply didn’t get that far, hell this stuff was proved 30 years ago to not work. All those on £15kpa who are struggling & think it’s right that me on £6kpa benefits should have less & be made to work for it, the extra money wont go to you, it will drive your wages down, you will be next, why should they pay you £15kpa when they can simply sack you & then get you for £6kpa instead with you having no choice, & the tax payer probably still paying for it.

    Srcuddy

    November 27, 2011 at 7:53 pm

  29. When they had MWRA – Mandatory Work Related Activity, it was “up to 30 hours a week for up to 4 weeks a year” (after being on the dole for 2 years). This worked in reality (as I have done it) that after I had been on the dole for 2 years, I then had to work 30 hours per week for the next 4 weeks. This meant that in reality, I went to work for a profit making company for 30 hours per week for the next 4 weeks. That was Monday to Thursday (inc) 7.5 hours each day for the next 4 weeks. I then still had to go to the dole office on the Friday to sign on. I also had the dubious pleasure of paying £7 per week for the privilege of being on the scheme. The profit making company (who now don’t exist as the scheme has stopped & they only did it to take advantage of the free labour provided by the MWRA scheme) got my labour for free, the company didn’t pay me, the dole (ie taxpayer) paid me my same benefits. I had no choice in doing it, well I had a choice, refuse & get no JSA & no Housing Benefit for the next 6 months. It was touted as training, but I received no training, the company just used my existing skills. The company even told me straight out on my 1st day that there definitely wont be a job after 4 weeks I will just be replaced with the next free person. The only beneficiary was the profit making company that got free labour. I think it will be working 7.5 hours a day Monday to Thursday for the next 6 months. I also had to stop the 15 hours per week charity volunteer unpaid work that I used to do as it clashed with the companies working hours, & for some reason which no one could reasonably explain to me, the charity stuff didn’t count as work related activity. I don’t have a problem with being forced to work for 30 hours per week for 6 months running (as I think this is how it will be), I just want to get paid for working at the same rate as anyone else would expect, even if it is only minimum wage. My last job was £40k per year. I will object to being made to work for slave wages. min wage @ 30 hours per week £182.40, or benefit rate (JSA & Housing Benefit) £115 hours per week for the same 30 hours. Or to put it another way, £6.08 per hour min wage, instead of £3.83 benefit rate per hour for the same 30 hours.

    Srcuddy

    November 27, 2011 at 7:57 pm

  30. WE NEED TO ORGANISE EN MASSE AND TAKE TO THE STREETS PEACEFULLY ,HAS ANYONE HERE GOT THE GUTS TO ORGANISE THIS ? NO JUST KEEP POSTING DRIVEL ,YOU WILL GET NO WHERE UNLESS YOU ARE PREPARED TO FIGHT FOR IT ,YOU CAN DISGRACEFULLY TELL YOUR GRANDCHILDREN YOU SAT ON YOUR HANDS WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY AROSE BUT DID NOTHING TO THREATEN YOUR EXISTENCE OR PROTECT FUTURE GENERATIONS FROM EU MONSTER ,DID NOTHING AS IMMIGRATION TOOK OVER YOUR ONCE PLEASANT LAND BUT JUST SAT BACK POSTING DRIVEL WHILST SURRENDERING THE HOPES AND DREAMS OF THE YOUNG ,WHILST LETTING THE OLD AND VULNERABLE PAY A TERRIBLE PRICE IN NEGLECT AND ABUSE BY THE STATE .

    DO I FELL PROUD TO BE BRITISH FECK DO I ,ASHAMED AND DISGRACED WE NOW LACK THE GUTS & DETERMINATION TO START A FIGHTBACK AGAINST POLITICAL ELITES DESTROYING OUR NATION FROM WITHIN .

    DWP BLOWER

    November 27, 2011 at 9:35 pm

  31. THE ENEMIES WITHIN OUR MIDST ARE EVERYWHERE!!

    DWP BLOWER

    November 27, 2011 at 9:36 pm

  32. WHY NOONE ASKING QUESTIONS OVER TURKISH PRIME MINISTERS VISIT?? ONLY LAST WEEK IT WAS REPORTED IN EUROPEAN VOICE EU OFFICIALS WERE IN TURKEY ARRANGING THE ACCESSION OF TURKEY TO THE EUROZONE MEANWHILE WE ARE KEPT BUSY POSTING ON REPEATED REHASHED THREADS WHILST OUR LEADER GO ABOUT THEIR MOST URGENT BUSINESS OF SEWING THE EU DEAL UP QUESTION EVERYTHING THEY SAY AND DO NOT SAY OFTEN IT IS WHAT WE ARE NOT TOLD WHICH SHOULD BE OF MOST CONCERN

    sking questions over turkish prime ministers visit ,only last week it was reported in european voice ,eu officials were in turkey arranging the accession of turkey to the eurozone ,meanwhilst we are kept busy posting on repeated rehashed threads ,whilst our leaders go about their most urgent buisness of sewing the EU deal up ,”in the bag you see” or so they think ? question everything they say and do not say ,often its what we are not told which should be of more concern .

    DWP BLOWER

    November 27, 2011 at 9:43 pm

  33. WHY NOONE ASKING QUESTIONS OVER TURKISH PRIME MINISTERS VISIT?? ONLY LAST WEEK IT WAS REPORTED IN EUROPEAN VOICE EU OFFICIALS WERE IN TURKEY ARRANGING THE ACCESSION OF TURKEY TO THE EUROZONE MEANWHILE WE ARE KEPT BUSY POSTING ON REPEATED REHASHED THREADS WHILST OUR LEADER GO ABOUT THEIR MOST URGENT BUSINESS OF SEWING THE EU DEAL UP QUESTION EVERYTHING THEY SAY AND DO NOT SAY OFTEN IT IS WHAT WE ARE NOT TOLD WHICH SHOULD BE OF MOST CONCERN

    DWP BLOWER

    November 27, 2011 at 9:44 pm

  34. Firstly may I ask what religion has to do with any of this? Clearly the post you were answering has been removed so I cannot comment on the content but can only assume the writer was making some reference to Muslims and race. Both are irrelevant but so is your comment about Britain being atheist (not entirely correct anyway!). Correct me if I’m wrong but there appears to be an under-current coming from you that is criticising anyone who doesn’t believe in a god? I would take as much offence from that as you did from racist remarks.

    Secondly, the reason nobody would comment on a professional footballer being paid obscene amounts of money in the same way they’d complain about immigrants coming to Britain and claiming benefits is simple – footballers are employed (granted they don’t do much!) and therefore pay tax. Also, the wages they are paid are not coming out of public money. Taxpayers money.

    Stories such as this are not merely propaganda, trust me it does happen (I have worked in the system and seen it first hand!). The real issue, however, is that NOBODY should be receiving such sums of money in benefits, regardless of race, religion or country of origin. There are plenty of stories such as this to be found on the internet, and they haven’t all been made up or exaggerated.

    yosserhughes

    November 29, 2011 at 2:33 pm


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