Ipswich Unemployed Action.

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Jobless Plan Panned.

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In the Guardian Today:


(I am having to transcribe this as it’s only in the printed version in the library):

“Cutting benefits to jobless people if they do not attend training courses – a key plank of government welfare policy – is “neither necessary nor effective for many claimants” says a leading think-tank, The National Institute of Economic and Social Research found that participants in the jobesskeing’ “conditonality” polot programme were “disappointed that they were not offered the training they felt they needed, “complained at being sent on repeated courses in jobs seach and CV wriitng,  and in the case of claimants with a criminal with a  criminal record or major health problems, needed more than generic advice to help the get jobs. More than 5,000 people who had been job less for at least six months took part on the pilot.”

Randeep Ramesh.

18th August.


Written by Andrew Coates

August 18, 2011 at 3:38 pm

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  1. the work program is a complete shambles,appointments that were never made and then confronted over it saying i hadnt attended.

    now the latest an appointment that was made to attend a session,the course wasn’t even running that day or neither was i expected.

    on the other hand if i walk away i will be blamed and sanctioned.

    its been very stressful experience so far.


    August 18, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    • Ken: I suggest you make a formal complaint. And if do not believe it has been treated fairly. I’d take it ICE.

      ECAP Activist

      August 18, 2011 at 8:58 pm

  2. Thanks for posting this, Randeep. I wasn’t able to find it online.

    ECAP Activist

    August 19, 2011 at 2:33 pm

  3. At least some of these think tanks are starting to see sense, though I think the wheels of progress move far too slowly. It’s an uphill struggle for us claimants to get our rights.

    On another topic, and slightly hijacking the thread (sorry, but there’s nowhere else to ask). Is it true you can’t be referred to the WP if you’re over 25 unless you’ve been unemployed for a year – or else you want to go on it? Thanks


    August 19, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    • No, you will be referred as a Mandatory JSA “customer” if you are an ex-IB claimant who has been claiming JSA for 3 months. Mandatory ESA “customers” will also be referred from 3/6 months.

      DWP Advisor

      August 19, 2011 at 5:17 pm

      • I had previously been claiming ESA (failed medical, no surprises there) for a year. Are you saying that I can get referred earlier than 12 months as a result? I’m claiming JSA and have been since March (ESA ended in January).

        Sorry, the whole thing is just confusing.


        August 19, 2011 at 5:38 pm

      • @wishface: The info you need is in this DWP pdf (page 3)


        Crystal Balls

        August 19, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    • Mandatory ESA “customers” can also be referred from 12 months (if they have a 12 month “prognosis”).

      DWP Advisor

      August 19, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    • Technically (there are no timescales under law – its internal policy) you can be referred at anytime.

      Work Programme

      August 19, 2011 at 8:10 pm

      • So if they want to refer me before 12 months (which is what the official documentation/guidelines/rules whateve ryou call them says) as a JSA claimant I have no right of refusal?


        August 20, 2011 at 9:47 am

      • Yes, you can be referred on to the Work Programme from day one of your claim. It is an offer you can’t refuse 🙂

        The Godmother

        August 20, 2011 at 10:25 am

  4. I’ve got Asperger’s syndrome and face a lot of employment barriers. At a recent meeting with the Disability Employment Advisor he told me that for my compulsory participation in the Work Programme there are only two training providers offering programmes, both of which he agrees will be completely useless – yet I will have to attend one of them, otherwise my money will be stopped. As usual I presented him with positive, realistic and achievable proposals; yet they were dismissed without a reason or explanation.


    August 19, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    • I’m hoping for an aspergers diagnosis soon (if hoping is the right word). Can I ask if being officially recognised as having that condition opens any doors within the benefits system, or is it the same old ATOS/ESA nonsense that everyone has to deal with?


      August 19, 2011 at 6:25 pm

  5. In my case I’ve been able to claim Disability Living Allowance; although I think this benefit is now being replaced with something else. Depending on what rate you receive you might be eligible for a disability premium if you’re claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance.

    Additionally, because Asperger’s syndrome is a notifiable condition to the DVLA you’re able to apply for a free travel pass from your local authority.

    Actual practical support is patchy though; some areas are good and in others there’s no help at all.


    August 19, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    • thanks for answering.


      August 19, 2011 at 7:12 pm

  6. Its not just the “Profit Programme” being panned:


    It is becoming clearer to a lot of people what Cameron and this Government represent and where its true interests and goals lie.


    August 19, 2011 at 7:14 pm

  7. More news casting doubts on this “Flagship” scheme:



    Wonder what the news papers would make of DWP illegally supplying personal data to 3rd parties without consent?


    August 22, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    • WPN has avoided reporting on this. Most of this is PR work by welfare-to-work providers (perhaps ERSA) to force DWP to reduce targets, increase upfront payments and/or reduce the period the former-unemployed have to be in work for a sustainable payment. (in increasing popularity)

      So although we report primarily for jobseekers – we also care for the taxpayer in regards to their taxes. We wont be part of this.. most people are reading a few blogs etc. about “work programme will never work” but this is no different to criticism of the plans of previous schemes… none are designed to work to said literature – its to mess the unemployment count to reduce it! (thats for starters)

      In regards to your last question. They aren’t interested in the slightest. it don’t fit their remit of a scandal..if it was in regards to HMRC and tax credits will be a different story.

      Work Programme

      August 22, 2011 at 5:25 pm

      • Andrew Coates

        August 23, 2011 at 11:05 am

  8. Heres somethign you could do at the start. Refuse consent for your details to be passed onto any thrid party provider. This should in theory short circuit the need to refuse workprogramme. The dwp might try to play it crafty and say you have accepted the details when you sign your declaration form. But you could include the your refuse consent for third party providers to have you details in te letter. By putting in a caveat stating that the declaration you sign is for te dwp to keep your information and you expressly withdraw consent after every signing.


    September 5, 2011 at 10:16 am

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