Ipswich Unemployed Action.

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Five Day Signing On.

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Word has reached us that certain batches of the unemployed in Ipswich are being forced to sign on every day – at different times.

The pointless exercise is apparently part of the general ‘get tough with the workshy’ programme.

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Written by Andrew Coates

July 31, 2011 at 9:37 am

Posted in Unemployment, Work Programme

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  1. I had to sign on every day a few weeks ago. It’s for everyone who has been unemployed for two years and isn’t currently on any other scheme such as the Work Programme (in my case they made me start this daily signing on the same day I went to the jobcentre to get enrolled on the WP so it was all a bit pointless).

    To be fair to the guy I had to see, he made it perfectly clear to me with a nod and a wink that they are just trying to catch out people who aren’t carrying out exactly what’s on their jobseekers agreement.

    Although as someone who does actually apply for jobs and does whatever is asked of me to look for work, it did make me wonder why I bother when we all just end up getting tarred with the same brush.

    Average Joe

    July 31, 2011 at 10:21 am

    • Years ago they managed to stop my money by claiming things were on my job seekers agreement that were not on it. Pompous idiots think that because you haven’t got a job you can’t read what you agreed to.

      Is signing on everyday part of your job seekers agreement?

      ariversideview

      July 31, 2011 at 12:21 pm

      • I hate to break it to you… but its a Conservative law, even if it was Labour in charge at the time!

        Work Programme

        July 31, 2011 at 8:01 pm

      • Think about it; How many people will sign on then go off and work for themselves as a ‘painter decorator’ or plumbers [sic] or even cash in casuals. This designed to catch BENEFIT THEIVES

        J F Immingham

        August 10, 2011 at 8:24 am

      • It has tightened up in recent times.

        Jobs are now on directgov under SOC codes so they correspond more to that of the jobseeker agreement. I assume this is because they were dealing with so many successful appeals… that they had no choice to as otherwise it decreases the chances of sanctions – although its probably a trade in for stronger chance of sanctions (and longer) for those in the same SOC groups.

        Ian Kensington

        August 10, 2011 at 8:51 am

  2. Question; Are they Reimbursing travel costs?

    Any other statement to this news, is unrepeatable…

    terratech

    July 31, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    • I am also curious because you cannot reclaim travel to signing on appointments. So if people are signing on daily they cannot reclaim travel…unless they are bending the rules (perhaps there is actually no law banning the reimbursement of travel for signing on appointments)?

      I cannot see how people can be expected to afford travel for every week day out of their JSA.

      If they are getting it reclaimed back… I dont think this is a good enough expenditure of taxpayers money… moaning about high welfare bill (it is high but we dont make the top 10 when compared to other countries… although we do not compare this but every thing else) but losing more money..

      Well, its to trip people up… I assume the 2 week sanctions still apply?

      Can anyone provide details of which law states they can do daily signing on… or does this not exist? (I did research this a few months back but draw a blank)

      Work Programme

      July 31, 2011 at 7:58 pm

      • WP: I was also wondering if there was any legislation about daily signing. I suspect your ight, there isn’t any.

        It will be up to claimants to make a formal complaint in writing to their jobcentre. And ask:

        1: Can you refer me to the legiislation that requires me to sign-on up to 5 days a week.

        2: If there is not any legislation, how have i been selected to sign on up to 5 days a week.

        3: How long will I be required to sign on up to 5 days a week.

        4: Your own legislation states that I can be reimbursed travel expenses if i have to attend the jobcentre for an appointment outwith my normal signing day. You note it does not say “signing days”. I would therefore request to be reimbursed travel expenses for those additional days outwith my normal signng day..

        Worth a try. And even if it doesn’t work they will have even more work to do replying to all the letters!

        ECAP Activist

        July 31, 2011 at 10:07 pm

      • “I am also curious because you cannot reclaim travel to signing on appointments. So if people are signing on daily they cannot reclaim travel…unless they are bending the rules (perhaps there is actually no law banning the reimbursement of travel for signing on appointments)?”

        I don’t know if it would make any difference, but when I did it they had me signing a different sheet, not my normal signing on form which I would still have to go and sign once a fortnight as normal if I had stayed on this scheme.

        Average Joe

        August 1, 2011 at 6:42 am

      • Thanks AJ. So this in effect isn’t legit? So you don’t actually sign on daily (as such), you simply sign another sheet…

        Did you reclaim travel? (Can you reclaim travel?)

        Did you receive any literature about it?

        Is this actually called a scheme etc.? If so, are you “mandated” to it (handed letter saying you must do so) or is it “appended” to your Jobseekers Agreement?

        Sorry for all the questions! I assume you get paid no sooner!

        ECAP… I think you are right. I would be complaining about it too if they requested me to ever do it. As for travel reimbursement it appears to be merely policy… due to the fact you can claim back travel on your signing day – if you have to attend at a different Jobcentre. Someone should challenge this.

        Work Programme

        August 1, 2011 at 7:36 am

      • Thanks AJ. So this in effect isn’t legit? So you don’t actually sign on daily (as such), you simply sign another sheet…

        Did you reclaim travel? (Can you reclaim travel?)

        Did you receive any literature about it?

        Is this actually called a scheme etc.? If so, are you “mandated” to it (handed letter saying you must do so) or is it “appended” to your Jobseekers Agreement?

        Sorry for all the questions! I assume you get paid no sooner!

        I didn’t think to ask about travel expenses, tbh. Nothing on my Jobseeker’s Agreement was changed, but I did get handed a letter (see below). I can’t remember now if I had to sign anything when I first started, but I think I may have done.

        Average Joe

        August 1, 2011 at 9:45 am

      • Letter from DWP

        Dear XXX

        Additional help and support to get you back to work.

        We recognise that you have been unemployed for some time now and may need some extra help and support to get you back to work.

        In June 2011, we will start to increase the level and support you are given by asking you to attend and participate in daily interviews with a named adviser.

        Your adviser will tailor each interview to your needs so that you receive ongoing help and support with your search for work. In return, you will be required to attend and actively participate during each interview.

        It is important that you attend the jobcentre and participate in the work related activities set during the interview. If you do not attend and participate as requested, we will have to ask a decision maker to decide if you have good reason for not doing so. If they decide that you do not have a good reason your Jobseeker’s Allowance and National Insurance Credits may be stopped.

        You will be required to attend daily (Monday to Friday) from XXXX at XXX am until instructed otherwise.

        Yours sincerely

        XXXXX

        Manager

        Average Joe

        August 1, 2011 at 9:46 am

  3. Until instructed otherwise?

    I merely speculate, but i think could just be for a week. Would they have the time and manpower to process all longer term unemployed claimants indefinitely? Also after a week many people would start expressing their dissatisfaction. Is this for all longer term unemployed or targeted?
    Obviously just another initiative to disrupt those that are working whilst in receipt of benefit. Of course most of us know that this isn’t the high percentage of claimants that we are led to believe.
    But they might as well do it to all claimants, just in case.
    Not quite a punitive measure, But close.
    Doubt it’s in the legislation, but no doubt there will be an assertive supervisor around to tell you their biased interpretation of what they think is law.
    Though to be fair to my particular jobcentre, they have been quite decent. One or two there can appear to enjoy the supposed power, but on the whole they have always been rather fair.
    This is only due to one being assertive, calm and having at least a bit of intelligence. It’s all about individuals and communication.
    And if this initiative reaches these shores I will be politely enquiring about the validity.

    Mr No

    August 2, 2011 at 6:18 am

  4. Ministers plan to cap council tax benefit pot

    The government is planning to restrict the amount of money that local authorities in England can hand out for help with council tax bills.

    Councils currently grant rebates to eligible people on low incomes and bill the Department for Work and Pensions.

    But ministers argue the scheme, which costs £4.8bn a year, represents an “endless pot of money”.

    The coalition wants to cut the bill by 10% by limiting direct funding for the rebates – effectively imposing a cap.

    Council tax benefit is claimed by 5.8 million people in England on low incomes.

    At the moment, individuals apply to their councils for the rebate.

    Efficiencies

    The local authorities then send a monthly bill to the Department for Work and Pensions based on the costs of paying out.

    The department pays the local authority the amount, which it then distributes.

    Continue reading the main story

    Start Quote
    In future councils will have a much greater stake in the economic future of their area”
    End Quote
    Eric Pickles

    Communities and Local Government Secretary

    In future, councils may have to work within a fixed budget, set by the Department for Communities and Local Government, for council tax benefit.

    The government argues that this will encourage authorities to find savings, if they are to maintain current benefits and meet likely future demand.

    Officials say councils may do this through administrative efficiencies, such as sharing offices with other councils, or cutting error and fraud, estimated to cost £200m a year.

    But councils will also be free to change the eligibility criteria. This could mean that council tax benefit will depend on where you live – a change to the concept of universal state benefits.

    If councils cannot find savings, poorer households may see their council tax benefit cut.

    An 11-week consultation is under way, to be followed by the Local Government Finance bill, which is expected to be published in the autumn.

    Communities and Local Government Secretary Eric Pickles said: “Plans to put councils in charge of providing support for council tax go hand in hand with wider economic reforms – such as the New Homes Bonus and our proposals for the local retention of business rates.

    “That means in future councils will have a much greater stake in the economic future of their area and greater incentives to support local residents back into work.

    “The new system will be a fairer one, where hard working families and pensioners are not left to pick up a spiralling benefits bill and where hard work always pays.”

    From here.

    Crystal Balls

    August 2, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    • If I read between the lines that means that the Yorkey-porker will make us pay a slice of our dole in Council Tax.

      Bramaha!

      Welcome to more unemployed people begging in the streets.

      Andrew Coates

      August 2, 2011 at 3:23 pm

      • Not bad news… there is a protest end of August (dates to be confirmed) plus a jobcentre protest on 26th… so my advice to jobseekers is dont be a lemon, make yourself heard!!

        There will be a U turn if enough people refused to accept it.

        Work Programme

        August 2, 2011 at 4:40 pm

      • btw, isn’t that figure close to the “savings” the Government has already made with the cuts? If so, whats being done with it?

        Work Programme

        August 2, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    • Love it:-

      “The new system will be a fairer one, where hard working families and pensioners are not left to pick up a spiralling benefits bill and where hard work always pays.

      1) are pensioners hard working? (surely retired lol)
      2) not on workfare…

      Work Programme

      August 2, 2011 at 4:44 pm

  5. Thats bloody OTT. I wish they would just learn you can only push people so far and from what i can see they are trying to push people into signing off. iNACTIVE PEOPLE ARletter anyway on a3 paper. hey ho it gives me more information to fire off to the Independent case examiner.
    E TAKING UP RESOURCES.

    I finally got contacted by action for blind people.. Nearly a month tooo late. I spoke to the lady at length about what had happened before. I also stated that I refused consent as it says under the dwp provider guidance annd she said I will have to look that up.

    I was told that they will be generating a letter for me on behalf of the DWP it is small print so your not going to like oit. I said I have been trying for ages to get them to send stuff out to me in large print She said we know and this is one of the things that we have noted and told them about ourselves. she is sending the

    kyron1977

    August 2, 2011 at 4:54 pm

  6. I have been told that my travel costs get reimbursed. yipee i thought as they have been given an attachment fee now travelk costs will be a milstone around their necks.

    The letter is still being sent to me what do you think i should do guys go to the press. or just report it to ice for more ammo

    kyron1977

    August 2, 2011 at 4:58 pm

  7. I recently was fired from my job and have been now signing on for 10 weeks I currently have to sign on once a week and have been told that I must now sign on everyday for 2 weeks and then again for 2 weeks in another 10 weeks if I have not found a job and so on and so forth until then.
    I feel as if the jobcentre are trying to punish people who are actually actively looking for work and letting the scroungers get away with murder.
    I have known people who have been signing on for over 5 years(maybe more) and have never had to do anything like this and they sign on once a fort night.

    nath

    August 1, 2012 at 3:57 pm

  8. Hi. I am gobsmacked at the treatment I have had recently. I have never signed on before and did so on 20 November 2013. I registered online and got a call to attend an appointment and I did. They informed me they had no information on me. They lost my web ap! How is that possible? I was back and forth several times a week trying get them to sort things out. I had to go through xmas without any money. Yep still no payment 5 weeks down the line. I got a partial payment last week, 2 months after I signed on. At my next signing on day after that, they informed me I have to attend every day for 3 weeks!!!!! I have barely even been unemployed. They handed me nothing in writing. They are still in arrears by one month and they expect me to show up every day? How can they do this? Thanks to your notes above, I have written to them addressing many of your points. They haven’t helped me one bit to find work and when I ask questions, they have no idea how to answer them.They have no idea how to help me get a job. One area they list for me to do job search for is “youth Work”. Every job I have come across requires a current CRB check so I asked if they could help with this. They flat out said no. So I have asked them to remove that requirement from my job search. I also have been doing exams to teach Pilates and only have one more section to go. I asked for help with this and they said no. I am absolutely disgusted. What should I do about the sign on every day when they are seriously in arrears making payments?

    a

    January 24, 2013 at 1:44 am

  9. ive been told im signing daily for 6weeks witch i have done im now in my 7th week and still going in daily ive never signed every day only on my sign day am i suppost to be signing something everyday im american and im signing on at bordon jobcenter and i get treated the same way as the english no wonder they hate all these fucking foreginers coming over ive lived in england along time due to addoption so i dont consider myself one of them foreginers i am looking into moving jobcenters to guildford of petersfield

    john

    November 14, 2013 at 12:45 am

  10. I am one of the people who have been told to sign in every day from the Hackney Job Centre in London after being unemployed for 3 months.

    Goerge

    January 9, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    • Make up a LONG list of questions to ask them, take up as much time as you can with questions about them helping you back into work, I think they will soon not want you to “sign in every day”.

      Annos

      January 9, 2014 at 3:51 pm

  11. I walk in the fresh air each morning is great! dole dossers should be made to walk 3 – 5 miles to the job centre, this means that you don’t sign on a your local job centre, but the one on the other side of town! And while you are doing it, look out for dog poo and be the pooper scooper, a smart phone app should give the location of the offending matter.

    stand up

    April 6, 2014 at 10:27 pm

  12. Does anyone know how one stands when having to sign on everyday and attend college, I am starting a pgce next week and have just been told this week I must sign on daily, i was under the perhaps naive impression that while I am at college part time and seeking a part time job ie; fulfilling my job seekers agreement, you can do partime upto 16 hours a week college,that I would not be placed on any workfare scheme. I think this is correct, but what about Daily sign on for jsa and college courses?

    Can anyone please clarify if Ihave to do this I expect I do.. My advisor told me if I sign on everyday he won’t have to send me on any workfare or work placement, but daily sign on feels like a punishment. And it’s two hours of my day gone for no good reason as far as I can see, that could be used for finding a job or college study.. I have searched the net to no avail but found this place. Please help if you can, many thanks.

    Jase

    September 3, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    • make sure you get ur bus fair paid for and they wont keep it up for long as they dont like paying it.

      you wont get cash from the jcp they will pay it in to ur bank account so takes 3 days to get it tho.

      never lasted more than 2 weeks when they tried it with me costing them 35 quid a week n bus fair. 😉

      super ted

      September 3, 2014 at 3:31 pm

  13. Yep me too, been signing for 6 months – 2months without any payment due to their error.
    i call the Dwp today and asked them why i have to sign every day, and guess what? on my record there is nothing that says i have to sign every day, i then asked my advisor why i have to come in every day? his answer, oh my manager told me to say this to everyone.
    very strange….CALL THE HELPLINE and ask why you too have to sign everday, i bet its not on your records too

    jasey

    September 15, 2014 at 4:31 pm


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