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Jobcentre Plus Targets To Impose Sanctions On Claimants

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Ipswich Unemployed Action would like to publish the following Freedom of Information Act request:-

Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

The Guardian newspaper recently uncovered that Jobcentre Plus employees were tricking vulnerable claimants into losing welfare entitlements. A whistleblower said staff at his jobcentre were given targets of three people a week to refer for sanctions, where benefits are removed for up to six months.

The work and pensions secretary, Iain Duncan Smith, initially claimed it was “claptrap” that anyone would “hand out edicts to staff to sanction three people”, and said the story was a “conspiracy”.

Since then, further email evidence has been uncovered showing individual or group targets are being imposed to stop people’s benefits at offices across the country. In some cases staff have claimed they have been threatened with sanctions themselves if they do not reach the targets. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/…

I would like to know the number of claimants that Jobcentre Plus offices have imposed sanction referrals on in order to meet these targets and whether the DWP consider that these peoples Human Rights have been infringed upon.

Yours faithfully,

Mr Taylor

Which got the following response:  (we have removed a part regarding an information tool… use the above link to read it)

Dear Mr Taylor

Thank you for your Freedom of Information request of 14 April 2011

You requested the following information:

“… the number of claimants that Jobcentre Plus offices have imposed sanction referrals on in order to meet these targets and whether the DWP consider that these
peoples Human Rights have been infringed upon.”

From 2006 until the end of March 2011, Jobcentre Plus had benchmark levels for referrals for sanctions. These were not targets nor have we ever had targets for sanctions – there is no right or wrong level of referrals, we deal with every case fairly, on its own merits. The purpose of the benchmarks was to allow District Managers to compare their own performance against that in other Districts. If their referral rate was widely different from the benchmark, this was a signal for management to assure themselves that the referrals regime in their District was being applied fairly and consistently.  Referrals for sanctions are all subject to independent decision-making, reconsideration and a formal appeal process.

Towards the end of performance year 2010/11, it became apparent that in a limited number of cases individual Advisers had been given targets for referrals, due to a misunderstanding/communication breakdown. This practice was not supported or advocated by Jobcentre Plus senior management and Ministers have made it clear personally that this is not appropriate. Managers have been reminded that this should not happen and they have all given assurances that the practice has been discontinued in the sites where it has taken place.

From April – the start of the 2011/12 performance year – there have been no benchmarks or targets for rates of referral for sanctions. It is up to individual Advisers to make judgements about whether a sanction is appropriate. Our welfare system should be a clear two-way contract. We will do everything we can to help people find work but equally we expect customers to be doing everything they can to find work as well. The sanctions regime is only to be used when people are failing to live up to their responsibilities and will be applied with discretion and commonsense.

Section 21 of the Act allows us to direct you to information which is already reasonably accessible to you.

The Department publishes a wide range of statistics on benefit claimants and sanctions both in its regular Statistical Summaries and through the Tabulation Tool which allows you to design your own tables. [The remainder has been removed see the first link on the page for more info]

If you have any queries about this letter please contact me quoting the reference number above.

Yours sincerely,

DWP Central FoI Team


So DWP is trying to deny that Jobcentre Plus has never had “targets“. A “benchmark level” is a fancy word for target. A benchmark is “a standard by which something can be measured or judged” so doesn’t directly imply it has a target. A benchmark level isn’t a target directly, but indirectly policy to meet such benchmark level is a target to be set to meet the minimum standard.

This is a clever trick. I am sure nationally there is no:

  • direct target for a financial level of sanctions (i.e. say £50,000 a year)
  • direct target for the number of successful sanctions

But there is policy enforcing the “benchmark level” which is a target to meet the “benchmark level” of referrals (yes not the number of applied sanctions but that of the attempts).

Anyway, to keep this short:-

  • Benchmark targets were to compare “performance” between districts (although different Jobcentre Plus offices were reported to have their own targets and indeed different teams within a single Jobcentre Plus office – if you aren’t too sure, notice the different colour highlighter pen on your ES40Jp signing on booklet compared to anyone elses)
  • “There is no right or wrong level of referrals, [Jobcentre Plus] deal with every case fairly, on its own merits. ” although they later claim “Referrals for sanctions are all subject to independent decision-making” (for Jobcentre Plus to determine referrals (regardless of the likeihood that a referral is successful) which are done in house as “independent decision-making” whilst under targets is a severe joke)
  • It gets worse… “These were not targets nor have we ever had targets for sanctions” although sanction targets operating within 4 years…”it became apparent that in a limited number of cases individual Advisers had been given targets for referrals“, so maybe not a nationwide Jobcentre Plus practice looking strictly from evidence from whistleblowers but it should be “some Jobcentre Plus offices had targets” at least. This was blamed “due to a misunderstanding/communication breakdown” that lasted half a decade: f**k the communication must have been bad!!
  • It gets funny… “This practice was not supported or advocated by Jobcentre Plus senior management“… are District Managers really not senior management?! I know from a “word-of-mouth” level that any Jobcentre Plus staff who are a supervisor level or above is known informally as a “senior member of staff” or “senior staff member” but regardless of that, District Managers must be a senior member of management. Can anyone confirm if they are?
  • Managers have been reminded that this should not happen“… I want to work for Jobcentre Plus! Everywhere else its threats of dismissal, civil action or police involvement but at Jobcentre Plus courtesy of hard-working law-abiding taxpaying citizens, managers are advised that is “should not happen” rather than “must not happen.
  • Referrals for sanctions are all subject to independent decision-making, reconsideration and a formal appeal process.“… This isn’t the point, sanction referrals cannot be justified as the claimant has the right to appeal. What if s/he fails to appeal? S/he loses their money! Sanctions are automatic (to reach targets) so a decision maker rarely has the opportunity to deny silly sanction doubts.
  • Gets funnier: “ Our welfare system should be a clear two-way contract. We will do everything we can to help people find work but equally we expect customers to be doing everything they can to find work as well.Remember to quote this!!!

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  1. “conspiracy” 🙂

    David Icke

    May 8, 2011 at 11:44 am

    • David, every time you take a dump you smell a conspiracy lol 🙂

      Infinite Love to You

      Shape-Shifting Reptilian

      May 10, 2011 at 10:16 pm

      • Too right 🙂

        Shape-Shitting Reptilian

        May 10, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    • Problem:Reaction:Solution

      Infinite Love to You All

      David 🙂

      David Icke

      May 11, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    • im one of the ones being harassed and had a sanction, they claim they have evidence against me that they downloaded jobs and i didnt apply, show me the evidence i said?
      you cant see it they said, i cant see it because there is no evidence they gave me one job i applied and have a letter from the company. to say im angry is an understatement.

      no wonder people are rioting when we have these parasites as adviors, i for one will not be taking job advice from these people anymore.


      August 28, 2011 at 8:27 pm

      • provider? location? full name of the advisor? full name of the managers etc. upholding such decision?

        Work Programme

        August 28, 2011 at 8:42 pm

  2. and now there is this.


    tactics appear to be targeting those at signing through jobseekers agreements,in the hope they can sanction easily,this by its nature is most likely to affect those with a disability or poor understanding.


    May 9, 2011 at 8:36 am

    • “People have been coming off sickness benefits and thrown onto jobseeker’s allowance.”

      What about the poor sods already on JSA and who have never had the “luxury” of claiming disability benefits – all that extra money – and are treated like dog dirt and have more dog dirt about to be thrown their way? I wonder how they feel? And shouldn’t we be campaigning for them?

      Disabilty Claimant

      May 9, 2011 at 9:36 am

  3. Thats a load of crapola. The DWP hindered me in my attempts to get a job. Heres How

    Action for Blind People where I had been visiting for nay on 6 years 2 Voluntary placements lasting 24 Months and Two jobs. They stopped me from seeing these guys who were instrumental in me gaining fulltime employment, and helping me reskill they were instrumental in placing me with an HE establishment that helped me bring my cpd upto dat and recertified me in cisco. So what was the superior solution they provided me with. A4E, Small print, nothing readab;le, asking of hum milliating questions in a public area. They tried to have me sanctioned just for telling them about the teaching job they sent me for. I said Im not a teacher this requires a teaching qualification. Thats enough for a doubt to be raised against you and it bloody well was Overlooked thank god. No attempt by a4e to help me improve my cv infact they did wholseale plaigarism in claiming they helped me with my cv. Only course I got offered wa how to use microsoft office to a basic level.

    Im still going through Ice and was wonderinf if I could cut and paste this post just to stick under their noses.,



    May 9, 2011 at 9:40 am

  4. Staff working for jobcentres and other Department for Work and Pensions contractors have been given guidelines on how to deal with suicide threats from claimants as the squeeze on benefits takes hold.

    A document sent to jobcentre staff in April details what it calls a “new policy for all DWP businesses to help them manage suicide and self-harm declarations from customers”.

    The guidelines include a “six-point plan” for staff to follow which says: “Some customers may say they intend to self-harm or kill themselves as a threat or a tactic to ‘persuade’, others will mean it. It is very hard to distinguish between the two … For this reason, all declarations must be taken seriously.”

    The internal document was sent to the Guardian by a senior jobcentre employee who has worked for the DWP for more than 20 years. It was accompanied by a letter from the source that said: “Absolutely nobody has ever seen this guidance before, leading staff to believe it has been put together ahead of the incapacity benefit and disability living allowance cuts.”

    The employee, who asked to remain anonymous, said: “We were a bit shocked. Are we preparing ourselves to be like the Samaritans? The fact that we’ve dealt with the public for so many years without such guidance has made people feel a bit fearful about what’s coming.”

    The DWP said that the new guidelines were not related to any recent policy changes and had been in development since 2009. “This guidance is about supporting our staff and ensuring we can help our customers.

    “It is right that a customer-facing organisation that serves over 20 million, including the most vulnerable in our society, has guidance such as this in place.”

    The team leader said the guidance had alarmed people in their team: “We’ve suddenly got this new aspect to our job. The bigger picture is people here are wondering how savage these cuts are going to be. And we’re the frontline staff having to deal with the fallout from these changes. ”

    Julie Tipping, an appeals officer for Disability Solutions, represents claimants who try to overturn decisions made following work capability assessment tests that they are fit for work.

    She says that in the last year, two of her clients have made “real attempts” at suicide after a decision was made that they were fit for work. Both were taken to hospital and subsequently sectioned.

    “It’s real and true. A lot of people think these people are crying wolf to get their money, but that’s not the case. They are suffering from real problems and can’t face it any more.”

    Tipping said the pressure on vulnerable clients was “the cumulative effect of all these welfare changes. The test is simply not fit for purpose for assessing mental health problems. That’s on top of moving people on to jobseeker’s allowance, and all of the conditionality and risk of sanctions that goes with that.”

    The Guardian revealed last month that some jobcentres were setting targets for advisers to stop people’s benefits for not meeting conditions attached to their jobseeker’s allowance.

    A whistleblower said that the pressure on staff was leading to vulnerable claimants being targeted for sanctions. The targets have since been removed. But thousands of claimants of incapacity benefit and employment support allowance are being reassessed to see if they should be considered fit for work and moved on to jobseeker’s allowance.

    Another jobcentre adviser said: “People have been coming off sickness benefits and thrown onto jobseeker’s allowance. It’s problematic because some customers are clearly not fit to work, and they are clearly very distressed. When you sense this you feel really upset because the system is allowing them to get like this and you feel part of the processing machine.”Eleanor Lisney, of Disabled People Against Cuts, said that the thought of being moved on to jobseeker’s allowance was like a sword hanging over the heads of disabled groups and she feared an increase in related suicides.

    Guardian Monday

    May 9, 2011 at 11:02 am

    • “ahead of the incapacity benefit and disability living allowance cuts” – why would be being transferred to JSA be a reason for a claimant to kill themselves? How do these people think that people cope at present of JSA. It is time that the unemployed took a leaf out of those on disabilities benefits book; got a lot more vocal, got themselves wheelchairs, maybe get a lot more sympathy that way. And why are support groups specifically aimed at the unemployed being systematically “infiltrated” by disability rights groups – the unemployed have a lot more to worry about than being transferred to JSA and losing £25 a week!

      Another Disability Claimant

      May 9, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    • This is a DELIBERATE policy, a bit more subtle on the part of the DWP and oh so obvious on the part of providers; a practice to induce feelings of despair and depression in claimants so that they will go and commit suicide. It would best be described as a form of “psychological euthanasia”. As unconscionable as killing the claimant with their own bare hands.

      To anyone suffering at the hands of these barbarians and considering suicide please give the Samaritans a call on 08457 90 90 90 open 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

      The Samaritans

      May 10, 2011 at 2:57 pm

      • People are just cattle to the government (census), ready to be milked when full and licked in the legs when dry. Most people are highly conditioned and believe they must play their part in this corrupt system. What they tell you is “get a job, work hard, be part of society”. If you don’t manage to get a job and play your part, they force you back to chinese -style “reconditioning” at the jobcentre and their “courses”= which teach you that being a slave for your entire life is the acceptable norm. For christ sake, we are used, like coppertop batteries, to support ministers and emma harrison & co extravagant lifestyles and extreme paychecks. Stop obeying like mindless idiots. It’s time for a revolution!


        May 10, 2011 at 4:46 pm

      • Then when you have a job and lose it, after paying in all the years you are treated the same. I know that shocked a few people during the recession. lol

        Work Programme

        May 11, 2011 at 7:46 am

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  6. I live in a quite a remote community and recently had to sign-on. My eyes almost popped out my off head, it was like when I was living in London studying, I felt like I was like walking into Hackney JobCentre. I am not being racist or anything – I know it isn’t allowed on here – I don’t agree with everything that he says but the Pope was right when he said that landing in the UK was like landing in a Third World country.

    Talking of contributors to this site, I am not a “conspiracy theorist” along the lines of David Icke, but I really do think that a serious attempt is being made to break the social welfare, housing and healthcare system of this country by overwhelming it. My parents both work in the NHS and this is the way that they see it.


    May 9, 2011 at 4:50 pm

  7. Well I am an insider at the moment and i can tell you the DAMAGE to the nhs has already been done.

    Etc one pct has one website, breaking it down into different gp’s and their commission means many smaller sites. Money is being paid out for hosting and the like and it’s not peanuts. Things that private companies should be getting involved in are getting involved in. It is all bad A number of colleagues I say colleagues as i am at this place on a placement say that they don’t think they NHS will be in a few years time some said even as little as 18 months 2 years. Whats more scary is the management that they are hoping to chop have been transported and the other people on the boards are doing even les work for highly inflated payslips and guess what the NHS can’t adfford to make em redundant


    May 10, 2011 at 11:28 am

    • I second that. Alot of NHS services are privately delivered.

      Work Programme

      May 10, 2011 at 11:42 am

      • Third-ed – the NHS as we know it is on its death-bed 😦

        NHS Worker

        May 10, 2011 at 11:51 am

  8. Hammersmith Jobcenter, London, from 21 April 2011 on. The JCP virtually organise large scale hounding to impose sanctions on me. First, they organise investigation into whether I was looking for job actively. In result, my JSA was suspended for three weaks. After that I received money, but no reply from the decision maker. Attempots to get a reply so far failed. After that, on 9 May 2011, I received a letter stating that I will not get a JSA from 27 April 2011. I callled Glasgo, and I was told that no reson was stated! They urged me to go to Hammersmith Jobcenter to inquire. I hammersmith JCP certain Mrs Shelley stated bluntly that they are not pleased that I can not find job for so long! I submitted three letters to them with questions, no replies. MY previous engagement with Kentish Town JCP resulted in the case lodged to the European Court for Human Rights. Aftre lodging the case, I became I subject of extrajudicial elimination – poisonings in supermarkets, tricking by police informants acting as friends in traps where I was poisined, application of pesticides, irradiation etc. The methods usually employed are to diguise criminal activities under naturally happening events. Jobcenter Plus has connections with intelligence services and security services, and the DWP is half-criminal organisation which beyond the law. They produce false statements, distort information, apply physical violence and widely using methods of psychological warfare. Criminals!

    Alexander Sobko

    May 16, 2011 at 5:55 pm

  9. “In January 2008 as a participant of New Deal option at Kentish Town Jobcenter I was ordered to attend a programme at an organisation called A4e to increase my employability. On the second day of the programme I was requested to sign the Beneficiary Form (p.17) which I refused on the basis of the entries of the form being semantically diffused. The situation had been repeated several times after that, and on February 22nd a doubt has arisen that I may have not taken sufficient or appropriate steps to find job (p.1). After an investigation of the matter the doubt evaporated, but on 14th March 2008 I was informed by Kentish Town Jobcenter that they would not pay me jobseeker’s allowance from 15th March 2008 as I had not attended the programme at A4e (pp.5-7). Moreover, the Kentish Town jobcenter states that I will never get jobseekers allowance in the UK altogether (see underlined on p.5, mark 4). The absence of logic in the Jobcenter’s decision is clear from the fact that in one of their letters to me they explicitly admitted that I had attended the programme (see underlined on p.3), whereas in other letters (p.5, marks 1-3) they claim that I had not. The decision, in my view, is bluntly illegal and prejudiced, and I submitted the case for judicial review to the Administrative Court on 01 May 2008 (pp.9-16). My application for interim relief (pp.15-16) was turned down by a judge on the basis of being not ‘appropriate’: in the judge’s view, I should have lodged an appeal instead (p.18). The date of the hearing itself is not determined yet. 🙂

    This case perceived on the background provided by the evolution of my described relations with Kentish Town Jobcenter indicates that in the UK there exists a room for operation of routines which allow anybody who is perceived as troublemaker being thrown on the street, reduced to the state of animal by destroying one’s human capital and left without any warranty of physical survival.” 🙂


    Life 🙂


    May 16, 2011 at 7:03 pm

  10. “Be diligent and watchful, there are many bastards around who are well versed in the teaching of Clausevitz, and who will not stop at anything on the way to break you, destroy your personality, make you a slave and rob you of everything you may have!”



    May 16, 2011 at 7:34 pm

  11. I write mistake in my website address, you can click on correct address now. Many apologies and big thank you to Ipswich Unemployed Action and Work Programme Network!

    Alexander Sobko

    May 17, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    • The Work Programme Network is undergoing some big changes – the blog will soon have a better theme, search feature improved, hopefully some collabs with others contributing to improve the QC, getting around the comment limitations at current which has alienated so many people from commenting and improving links to the site and from.

      Work Programme

      May 17, 2011 at 2:17 pm

      • You really need to get those error messages fixed, Work Programme. “your comment cannot be received”?! Something seriously screwed up with the commenting system!

        Can't Comment

        June 1, 2011 at 3:44 pm

      • Have you got javascript disabled?

        I think you could be right (which is why its pending improvement)… I am thinking whether to call it a day as although the hits have increased by a lot its receiving less comments every day (or so it seems).

        Work Programme

        June 1, 2011 at 4:33 pm

      • Not sure, I will take a look and have another go at posting, it might have something to do with javascript. Whatever, the same set-up can post on here and anywhere else 🙂

        Can't Comment

        June 1, 2011 at 4:39 pm

      • Got a message about “referrers” and “spammers getting out of here” :-), had another play around and now it just goes blank – no comment appears 😦 Maybe the programmer has bolted things down too much 🙂 Don’t see why it can’t work like this site 🙂

        Can't Comment

        June 1, 2011 at 4:50 pm

      • I wouldn’t call it a day over the comments not working properly 🙂

        Can't Comment

        June 1, 2011 at 4:57 pm

      • Maybe you should drop the requirement for commenting that commenters provide their full name, date of birth, address, national insurance number, and job centre plus/provider office. No wonder people are afraid to comment.

        Can't Comment

        June 1, 2011 at 5:02 pm

      • Test Post


        You have page referrer disabled too?

        javascript and referrer is required to end comment spam – its not funny with having multiple sites!

        As the page is old (check date/time in header) your comment wont show as pending especially that cookies are stripped at cache site (for every cookie means unique page, which takes the point away of the cache server)

        I mgith see if I can tweak it a little better

        Work Programme

        June 1, 2011 at 5:04 pm

      • haha, well I am constantly deleting comments where people have provided such details. WTF!? lol

        Work Programme

        June 1, 2011 at 5:05 pm

      • Well, having to hand a form into the Job Centre to get it stamped and issued with a Unique Comment Identification Number in order to comment is a right pain in the you know what. Better to do a few tweaks then to make the site more browser friendly.

        Can't Comment

        June 1, 2011 at 5:14 pm

  12. Programme Centres are run on behalf of Jobcentre Plus by a range of providers from the public, private and voluntary sectors.

    They can provide you with help with job applications along with practical advice on looking for jobs.

    Programme Centres
    You may be able to get free help with job applications at one of the Jobcentre Plus programme Centres. You can also get practical advice on looking for jobs, removing barriers to getting and keeping a job, and going back to work.

    Programme Centres provide stamps, stationery, newspapers and access to the internet. Many offer learning modules to improve your interview skills and phone techniques. Programme Centres also help you to develop your experience in how to research, apply for and get a job.

    They also provide help in the form of training sessions which attempt to improve job hunting techniques and, where necessary, restore self-confidence.

    Job Center Plus

    May 26, 2011 at 5:45 am

  13. ive been threatened with sanctioning when signing on usually the threat came when they”selected” a job from the computer appears they want you to work in the job they want you to do not the job that you want to do
    easy way out of this is send in the application in case they check but ensure if you have been on new deal that its on your cv and also post the letter second class from a post box which gets emptied once a day(most housing scheme boxes are only emptied once a day) and that it is posted as near as the closing date as possible but the letter is dated the day the jobcentre told you to apply for it that way it will arrive late and wont be considered and if asked say bloody royal mail flaming typical or words to that effect
    i was also threatened with sanctioning when told to apply for a job in a bookies when i told the job centre prat i couldnt do betting odds but agreed to apply for it when i phoned the recruitment line this was the first question asked and after explaining about the job centre threat was told to put willing to undergo training i also had to do ome of those stupid psychometric tests online before an application form was sent out needless to say i answered it in such a way i knew i wouldnt be sent an application form
    there was nothing the jobcentre could do about it either
    same jobcentre pratt got me to apply for an admin job at raf leuchars and told me i could get there by two buses one to st michaels then another to leuchars to which i said sarcastically so the east coast mainline which goes through leuchars has been closed then has it why use two buses when a train can get me there in less that 10 minutes?
    he also suggested i apply for a job in a bloody perfume shop in glenrothes to which i asked him what he was trying to imply i also sent an email to the shops head office telling them cupar job centre were telling male persons to apply for jobs in their glenrothes branch which when i had visited glenrothes had only female staff in the shop perhaps they should inform cupar job centre that they only employ females in their shops due to the fact it is perfume they sell whether they did or not am unsure
    when pratt new deal advisor told me to apply for a job in muchty soldering printed circuit boards the apply for job in perfume shop prat piped up oh you can get a 730am bus at the cancer research shop to muchty had to be asked three times as to what time there was a bus back after 5pm any proper person would tell you buse times there and back not one way!
    anyway letter off to avoid sanctioning despite the fact nd pratt did not ask me if i was color blind nor was it on the job details needless to say i got a letter telling me i hadnt got the job it also said they were keeping my details on file if a vacancy arose in the future i wrote back asking for my letter and cv as i did not want these retained by them and wasnt interested in a job soldering pcb and doubted very much that even with training that would be able to(this arrived after i had signed off due to being told to do 26 weeks new deal not 13) and wasnt interested in a job with their company surprisingly the letter and cv were returned six months later the company went into liquidation!
    one thing i would like to say is once the jobcentre get you into the “job” they want you to do thats it if you ever sign on again thats the only type of work they will offer you doesnt matter if there are five other jobs in the system you could do they wont offer them to you all the job centre seems interested in is getting claimants into whatever crap job comes along especially the one that have been hanging around for more than two weeks or ones which get readvertised on a regular basis(this means either the employer is using claimants as short term employees or the job isnt up to much or the employer decides the person isnt suitable for the job using a months trial as an excuse)
    the jc told me they werent bothered if i got the job only that i applied for it which is why i always sent the letter 2nd class posted in a box only emptied at 530pm and as near to the closing date as possible and also stated in the letter was waiting on word from the other six jobs i had applied for but would be available for interview anytime i also ensured new deal was on my cv as i found that if i removed new deal from my cv i got an interview if i included it i didnt get an interview strange that isnt it?

    allan johnstone

    June 6, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    • Exactly, Alan, once you take a crap job, you are from that moment on defined as a “crapper” and that then becomes your allotted role in life.


      June 6, 2011 at 10:36 pm

      • Yes, there is virtually no upward mobility in income brackets. We clearly demonstrated this in What Britain Earns. This would be the danger in taking a job in a lower income bracket – you would remain stuck there – for your entire working life. The myth of the dish-washer working their way up to the position of CEO of a multinational company is sadly just that – a myth.

        This brings us neatly to the recent Government kerfuffle concerning those on salaries of £100,000 supposedly living in council houses: I find it hard to understand how someone in a council house would be in the position of earning £100,000 a year. Well, I do and I certainly don’t live in a council house. I would presume that most people who earn such a sum who choose likewise and as it has been clearly demonstrated it is virtually impossible to move from minimum wage to this income bracket if this is what the Government is implying. So how do they come to be in this position?

        Another finding we made, is that the vast majority of incomes in the UK fall into the lower brackets – at the time this was around £10-12K. Very few people actually earn in the region of £100,000. Well, we do (Dan earns slightly less), but as we said we are the exception.

        Peter & Dan Snow

        June 7, 2011 at 11:53 am

  14. every time they “select” a job for you to apply for they threaten sanctioning if you dont apply for it
    best to agree and say yes i will apply for it but send it second class three days after they told you to do so but date the letter the same date as they told you to apply for it also if youve been on new deal put this on your cv nothing an employer hates worse than an application from someone who has been on new deal
    post the letter in a post box that is only emptied at 530pm as this will delay the letter as well the jobcentre may query it if they do blame royal mail because if the jc phoned to check you did apply they will have the letter but not the envelope so no way of checking the postmark but the letter will have the date they told you to apply for it doesnt matter if it was sent first or second class or not thats neither here nor there fact is you did apply for it but the postal system caused it to arrive after the closing date thereby its not considered not your fault is it they cant prove when it was posted can they?
    trouble with job centre staff is they have never done a hard days graft in their life heaviest thing theyve lifted is a pen send them out to do weeks hard work in the jobs they tell people to apply for and see how long they last bet its not more than a day!
    ive got arthritis but they still expect me to apply for jobs where heavy lifting is involved despite it stating on my jobseeker agreement sedentry work only no heavy lifting due to arthritis
    not that it stopped a jc pratt from making me apply for a factory labouring job in glenrothes where the details stated must have counterbalance flc and h&c cert also it was temporary in glenrothes advertised by an employment agency and the jc pratt wouldnt tell me for how long the job would last or where in glenrothes it was located needless to say the contact wasnt available when i phoned as he was interviewing for that job so when i phoned next day surprise surprise it was filled when i asked how long it would be for was told about three weeks maybe less was heavy lifting involved yes explained about arthritis problems was told i wouldnt be considered for it was flc and h&s certs needed yes pointed out that this should be on the job description along with heavy lifting must be fit and heathy for this type of work
    three weeks later the job was readvertised again!

    allan johnstone

    June 6, 2011 at 9:42 pm

  15. Just Heard That The Sainted Haley Is Back In A New Edition Of The Fairy Job Mother. Haley Being Haley We will All Have Too Have Wide Screen TVS. As Our Providers Will Want Us Watching This, Will They Buy The TVs For Us

    Joushua Jherico

    June 7, 2011 at 7:32 am

  16. jobcentre staff are ignorant , bullying corrupt bastards .

    Felicity Borrocks

    October 7, 2011 at 9:41 pm

  17. I really do not understand how this goverment are getting away with what they are doing to people. When is there going to be an uprising against what they are doing? We don’t allow cruelty to animals yet they are treating people like criminals and punishing people for being out of work. There were far more demonstrations against Thatcher and the poll tax was nothing compared to what people are being made to suffer now. Seeing as there simply are not enough Jobs for everyone to go to ..even if they are fit enough to do them. I am so angry every day that I hear of what they are doing to the poor, the sick, and the elderly. Its the biggest witch hunt since the middle ages. Wake up people, stop being complacent about what is being done. The Nazis managed to kill people too and this goverment are making people so miserable that they are killing themselves. While the rich have plenty to eat everyday, here people are going to food banks because they are being tricked into losing their benefits, and have to try to survive on £20.00 per week. They sit in the dark, cold and hungry because they cannot afford their electricity bill.


    November 16, 2012 at 12:55 am

  18. This is all a very real sad “state” This government wont be happy until they have all working for grains of rice,when people cant pay their mortgages and rents etc and the whole UK economy collapses on the back of bad debt going into trillions as it currently is .

    They will look back and realize they sold all the jobs off to Europe and else where 20years ago.Now we have 100s of warehouses food conglomerates paying pathetic hourly rates of pay with the cost of living going through the roof.

    Still lets not worry about any of that as we are all in this together as Mr Cameron trys his hardest to convince us all at every turn ,i actually think he believes that.lol.The bubble will soon burst and all the papering over the cracks will not help one bit.Too many people not enough jobs,too many people not enough AFFORDABLE homes, i think there maybe a connection somewhere along the line with this.


    November 30, 2012 at 1:05 pm

  19. i want to take a fuckin shotgun to my local jobcentre
    fuckin bastards


    March 28, 2013 at 2:35 am

    • Chris, I’ve already prepared my suicide note and will be asking my advisor to sign admitting liability for my death. Then I shall be posting it before jumping to my death.

      The treatment we have to endure from these imbeciles is beyond bearable. Sick to death of having to choose between starving to death or going down with hypothermia. All because of sanctions and being treated like a criminal for being made redundant. I really can’t take much more.


      June 28, 2013 at 8:39 am

  20. There is supposed to be help for unemployed people via the Jobcentre Plus Discount Travel Card. Yet, the Jobcentre Plus (JCP) staff refuse to 1) acknowledge the existence of the scheme and 2) claim that it is “discretionary” even though the guidelines clearly states the Personal Advisor “shall issue” the application form to all eligible applicants.
    What’s really going on here is that the funding rules for JCP have changed and they now receive one lump sum of money out of which everything is to be paid, and they do not want to issue these cards because the cost of them literally comes out of their pockets.
    They have either stated that the scheme does not exist, or outright refuse to give me one, without any explanation or reason, other than “it’s discretionary” which, it is not. Discretion must be conferred by some body or by some act and there is no discretion in this case. I have tried to explain this to the people in charge, but they just don’t listen. They don’t understand the procedure and refuse to identify what guidelines they are using, nor do they identify the source and scope of their purported “discretion” (because there IS none).
    I don’t understand what else to do, as they refuse to pay for travel expenses to interviews and keep asking me to travel to workshops every day at my expense, out of £72 per week.

    JCP are useless

    July 23, 2013 at 1:23 pm

  21. Do JC Employees get a bonus everytime they sanction people.
    I have been sanctioned for 3 months,despite applying for several part-time jobs a week and spend several hours a day searching and applying for work.,I am a single parent,with no help with my kids,living in a remote town without a car.


    September 6, 2013 at 8:18 pm

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