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Students: Unemployed Protests to Follow?

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Do the Out-of-Work have to do this to get Attention?

After the free and joyous protests by students, why not the unemployed?

Do we want cuts in Housing Benefit?

Do we want threats to make us work for free on Community Service?

Do we want to be stuck without decent work always harassed by the dole?

Do we want the Unemployment Bizniz to make money offering useless ‘training’?

Do we want real change to make our lives better and to get us real work?

Or are we going to accept welfare ‘reform’?

Do we want to be miserable?

No!

Follow the students!

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Written by Andrew Coates

November 25, 2010 at 10:32 am

36 Responses

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  1. At which point do you make a stand – during the round up, during the train journey, in the deciding pens, in the showers, or in the furnace room?

    Fritz Todt

    November 25, 2010 at 11:21 am

  2. Do the Out-of-Work have to do this to get Attention?

    Yes I believe we do. The unemployment in this country is a bigger problem than university funding. The students with their protesting have made people take notice of them and their problem.

    Ed Milipede

    November 25, 2010 at 11:42 am

    • Students will always be in favour of protests – they are a group of people. Many of the students in London weren’t current uni students but those who will be affected by these cuts.

      Work Programme

      November 25, 2010 at 1:04 pm

      • Nice spot, Work Programme. It won’t be CURRENT students on these marches – too busy with exams, essays in stuff 🙂 Besides, the changes won’t effect them PERSONALLY, that’s the way the Government always implement these sort of changes.

        Student Samantha

        November 25, 2010 at 1:14 pm

  3. You wake up late for school, man, you don’t wanna go
    You ask you mom, “Please?”, but she still says, “No”
    You missed two classes and no homework
    But your teacher preaches class like you’re some kind of jerk

    You gotta fight for your right to party
    You pop caught you smoking, and he said, “No way!”
    That hypocrite smokes two packs a day
    Man, living at home is such a drag
    Now your mom threw away your best porno mag

    You gotta fight for your right to party
    You pop caught you smoking, and he said, “No way!”
    That hypocrite smokes two packs a day
    Man, living at home is such a drag
    Now your mom threw away your best porno mag

    Don’t step out of this house if that’s the clothes you’re gonna wear
    I’ll kick you out of my home if you don’t cut that hair
    Your mom busted in and said, “What’s that noise?”
    Aw, mom you’re just jealous, it’s the Beastie Boys

    You gotta fight for your right to party
    You pop caught you smoking, and he said, “No way!”
    That hypocrite smokes two packs a day
    Man, living at home is such a drag
    Now your mom threw away your best porno mag

    You gotta fight for your right to party
    You pop caught you smoking, and he said, “No way!”
    That hypocrite smokes two packs a day
    Man, living at home is such a drag
    Now your mom threw away your best porno mag

    Beastie Boys

    November 25, 2010 at 11:53 am

  4. Panic on the streets of London
    Panic on the streets of Birmingham
    I wonder to myself could life ever be sane again?
    The Leeds side-streets that you slip down
    I wonder to myself

    Hopes may rise on the Grasmere
    But Honey Pie, you’re not safe here
    So you run down to the safety of the town
    But there’s Panic on the streets of Carlisle
    Dublin, Dundee, Humberside, I wonder to myself

    Burn down the disco, hang the blessed DJ
    Because the music that they constantly play
    It says nothing to me about my life
    Hang the blessed DJ
    Because the music they constantly play

    On the Leeds side-streets that you slip down
    Provincial towns you jog ’round

    Hang the DJ
    Hang the DJ
    Hang the DJ

    The Smiths

    November 25, 2010 at 11:55 am

  5. Andy. The reason why the unemployed don’t do these protests is because students are united via Class, Uni etc. whereas unemployed people aren’t united and are individual in their acts.

    The numbers make it powerful. We need a Central London protest of our own and local protests at each jobcentre. The problem is people sign on for their money, and if its not their day then its someone elses who wont join in solidarity to avoid losing their money.

    Work Programme

    November 25, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    • I think many people are sitting back far too much…

      There are:
      * cuts everywhere
      * MP expenses scandal (we all forgotten?)
      * 20% VAT in January
      * Universal Credit (Poll Tax 2)
      * A new war? N Korea has ability for Nuclear Weapons (Even if of shit grade but its still nuclear) and we no longer have jets

      (I have to go out can’t do an exhaustive list)

      Work Programme

      November 25, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    • that why we sign on at different times, days, fortnightly intervals, it’s to keep the unemployed as isolated as possible, don’t want them to start getting ideas. unemployed people need to grow a backbone, where is the solidarity, if they think there is a chance of a job or they might lose their money they stab each other in the bag. they won’t go on a demo cos they think the job centre or an employer might see them on the telly. they’re like punch drunk zombies on lithium. so sad to see.

      Job Seeker

      November 25, 2010 at 1:32 pm

  6. SEPT
    Attended demo, with about 15 others, at A4e Edinburgh.

    OCTOBER
    Leafleting at High Riggs Jobcentre and A4e Edinburgh.

    NOVEMBER
    Leafleting at Commercial Street Jobcentre.

    Offered support to a claimant who feared the Sheriffs Officers (Baliffs) might arrive to illegally evict from his flat because the landlord hadn’t been paying the mortgage. He’d been advised by the council that any eviction would be illegal – so I offered my help on that basis.

    Attended ATOS Medical as an observer on behalf of a claimant who wanted someone to accompany him.

    Edinburgh Coalition Against Poverty http://edinburghagainstpoverty.org.uk/
    is on my doorstep so it was easier for me to get involved in helping other claimants and protests. But if you want to get involved why not contact ECAP for advice about setting up a group where you live?

    Funny A4e Photos

    November 25, 2010 at 3:18 pm

  7. it is a right to demonstrate,however the students have not been the subject of constant derision (or would ever be) by duncan smith and the media trail behind focusing on the jobless unemployed.

    the jobless in many ways have been the victim of conservative party division tactics’in society that are their hallmark,the miners,the unions,have all fallen foul of this basically anyone who does not adhere to conservative policies or thinking or would ever likely to vote for them are singled out for this adverse tactic, despite in many cases being justified with the end outcomes.

    how many would choose coal to keep warm at lower prices over today’s gas monopoly and the vastly inflated prices to increase profits,coal is a commodity that should not be simply discarded because it was seen as unfashionable.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/sheffield/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8217000/8217946.stm

    riots appear to follow the conservatives every time they are in power,the above photo is an interesting example,this compared with the brixton riots some three years earlier where the police were using a truncheon and a dustbin lid and were without riot equipment,before this it was unheard of previous to mrs thatchers time in office,more was to follow notably the famous poll tax riots of 1990 which was seen by many to contribute to her downfall.

    despite talk of “were all in this together” this is not true as those on benefits have been hit the hardest,and have been the victim of the most attention in terms adverse publicity,someone could be forgiven for thinking that targeting a “benefit culture” then none of the current problems would ever exist and be banished forever,as even if the conservatives would dare be leave that was true.

    ken

    November 25, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    • Yeah and the Lib Dems were saying about Civil Liberties…

      The protesters had agreed with Police to start at Trafalgar Square, move on to Lib Dem HQ and then Downing Street.

      To stop the latter protests as agreed they were unlawfully detained for excessive hours. Even those not involved were held.

      Work Programme

      November 25, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    • Funny how riots and Con-servatives seem to go hand in hand.

      Work Programme

      November 25, 2010 at 7:24 pm

  8. I’m afraid I don’t detect any esprit de corps amongst the unemployed. University students are already members of a community, so organising demos is realtively easy. The only community the unemployed get is when they are forced to join a New Deal programme.

    That is what makes this website so valuable; it’s the nearest thing many of us have to a community.

    Squiddly Diddly

    November 25, 2010 at 6:08 pm

  9. What I found strange was; it doesn’t really matter how crap your policies are, it is all about getting the publics confidence in you. Labour generally (pre-brown) did ok at this.

    Dave seems to want to rub everyone up the wrong way. Constantly, always something to annoy people. If you are planning big cuts, stick something else out to try and balance it. David Laws isn’t the answer. (hint: MP expenses)

    OK, he is trying to launch the happy index rating thingy (yeah it died so much, I don’t know what its officially called!) This annoys people as no one is happy. really. He is now trying to cut the sport finance for kids.

    Who cares about the economic recession? I thought that was bad. This ConDem Government is bringing emotional depression everywhere!! Of course middle classes and higher and typically exempt from that.

    He is feeling the strain so much that the 3 key places he is (Downing Street, Palace of Westminster and Conservative HQ) have had their security increased. The former 2 already have high security.

    I hope these clowns are gone before April 2011.

    Work Programme

    November 26, 2010 at 9:41 am

  10. I wish people in America would protest like this. Instead we are all too brainwashed by the Corporate Fascist Overlords and their paid Republican pundits.

    missdisplaced

    November 26, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    • Well Well. Look what Patty Hearst looks like now.

      Gotcha

      November 27, 2010 at 8:55 am

  11. Studentsforever

    November 26, 2010 at 4:41 pm

  12. What’s the point in protesting like the students? By the time it’s organised the bastards know to expect it. We would just get “kettled”, arrested and beaten up by the rozzers, just like the students.

    Far better to mount a guerrilla campaign. A few joke centres reduced to smoking ruins would be FAR more effective than risky and ineffective protests. And, importantly, no need to find the cash to travel to London, Birmingham, Manchester or wherever.

    Dan Owen

    November 26, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    • Hi Dan

      Facebook is now the “guerrilla campaigners” tool of choice offering an effective and discrete platform for organising action free from snooping by the “rozzers”. You should give it a try.

      Best of luck

      Mark Zukerberg

      CEO Facebook

      Mark Zukerberg

      November 26, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    • People should protest without giving police advanced warning.

      Sitting ducks, they will attack… but get it on film. Highlight the Met for who they really are.

      Only way, they knew about moving towards Lib Dem HQ and stopped it happening.

      Flash mob protesting is what is needed. Only problem is these are hard to organise whilst avoiding police finding out. Plus when promoting it in secret there will always be a grass or undercover person.

      Also, with all due respect, the students had atleast 30 minutes notice to leave – but they stayed in solidarity to their cause because they were “allowed” to protest up until past 6pm – until police did a U-turn on that permission.

      I think they had every right to remain but if they didnt want to be unlawfully detained they could have avoided it. All about taking risks.

      Work Programme

      November 26, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    • I predict that these risky and ineffective “protests” won’t do any good; in fact they will strengthen the government’s position.
      The LibDems will be demolished at the next election and the Con-servatives will be elected with an outright majority.

      Mystic Meg

      November 27, 2010 at 2:10 am

      • Mystic, as a fellow Seer, I foresee a tall dark stranger coming along and taking away your licence to tell fortunes.

        I recall that the Poll Tax protests were pretty effective.

        The Liberals are now going all wibbly-wobbly on student fees.

        Any chance of some more wobbles on the cuts depends on pressure – something all politicians have to respond to, and all politicians in a Coalition are very vulnerable to.

        Andrew Coates

        November 27, 2010 at 9:55 am

      • Yeah… too bad the military don’t get involved. It would be good for one of the to-be-soon scrapped jump jets to fly around London for a while, hover in front of Lib Dem HQ (sensible safe distance of course) and fire a few missiles…

        Work Programme

        November 27, 2010 at 10:09 am

  13. Political Marching: What’s at risk?

    The police motorcycles came out of nowhere and blocked the intersection of Kingsway and Theobald’s Road in central London. The bus came to a sudden stop and remained motionless.

    What the heck? I walked forward to ask the driver what was going on and then I heard whistles and drums and indistinct chanting. I no longer needed to ask. The kids from the University of London were marching to protest tuition fee rises.

    The driver let us off and I hurried to my meeting at Bush House, home of the BBC World Service. By the time I came out, the University of London students had been joined by others from LSE and King’s College some bearing signs that read: “Tory Scum/Here we Come.”

    Traffic was disrupted, the rest of normal life was not. A young man, not much older than the students, was busy handing out leaflets to join an expensive gym. The queues at the sandwich shops in the area were their usual length.

    Where it all began

    At the end of the day the marchers were kettled in by police in Whitehall, the street that runs through the heart of Britain’s government buildings. The Con-Dem coailition government’s policy of more than doubling tuition fees was still in place.

    This was the second demonstration against the rise in tuition in the past three weeks and it was just as ineffective as the first.

    Political marching, protest marching, call it what you will, has become in the new millennium a way of exercising one’s ego. When making a programme recently on the history of protest marching I asked folks over and over again why they went on marches?

    “To make my voice heard,” was the usual reply. Really? Even if the government isn’t listening?

    Making one’s voice heard wasn’t the reason people went on marches at the beginning.

    The first successful political march in England took place in 1834. Six agricultural workers from Tolpuddle in Dorset had been transported to Australia in chains. Their crime? Organisaing a society to prevent a cut in their wages.

    For the Tolpuddle Martyrs, as they were called, transportation to Australia was a sentence of living death and tens of thousands of workers marched from King’s Cross to Parliament to present a petition signed by 800,000 people demanding the six be allowed to return to Britain.

    Parliament gave in to the pressure, and the men were allowed to come home.

    Over the next century and a half, the political march became an important tool all over the world for those seeking political change and redress of injustice.

    Marching did not always work and often ended in violence whether in Chicago’s Haymarket Square in 1886 or outside the Winter Palace in St Petersburgin 1905.

    But the rallies frequently produced pressure that led to dramatic change. Successful marching campaigns have certain things in common. They need to have a very specific goal and it should be focused on gaining a positive – independence, civil rights a decent wage – rather than repealing a negative.

    All in the planning

    Most importantly, the cause has to be one for which the marchers are willing to go to jail.

    The next thing that is necessary is detailed tactical planning. The paradigm is the famous Salt March in India in 1930. The march was organised by Mahatma Gandhi to protest a tax on salt made in India. This tax meant it was cheaper for Indians to buy salt imported from Britain. How better to keep a colony tied to its ruler?

    Gandhi spent months planning how to protest this tax. He decided to march from his ashram in Ahmedabad to the sea at Dandi, where he would make salt. The plan was to walk 10 miles a day for 24 days, along a route that went through Hindu and Muslim villages. This would demonstrate India’s unity and allow international press interest to build.

    But the march was not open to just anyone. Anticipating the British authorities might use violence to turn him back, Gandhi trained 70 plus people in principles of non-violence and only they were allowed to march with him.

    Hundreds of thousands turned out to watch along the way but only this handful of people actually walked the distance. There was no violence. The march did not accomplish its specific goal: the salt tax remained in place.

    But it did something more important: it laid the foundation for a cohesive independence movement and it opened British eyes to the fact that India, the colossally complex jewel in its imperial crown, was a nation capable of speaking for itself and ruling itself.

    Twenty-five years later, a young African-American preacher in the American south studied Gandhi’s tactics and used marching as the key tactic is the drive for “Civil Rights”.

    In the summer of 1963, Martin Luther King and other leaders of the civil rights movement staged the March on Washington to bring pressure on then President John F Kennedy for legislation guaranteeing African-American’s constitutional rights in the South, where segregation had disenfranchised them for more than eight decades.

    Act of political nostalgia

    Despite Kennedy Administration concerns about the potential for violence, the march went off without a hitch. King delivered his famous “I Have a Dream” speech which guaranteed that the march would become one of the most famous in history.

    It also made marching the template for the full range of political protest associated with the 1960s. Martin Luther King would later march in Alabama from Selma to the state capitol Montgomery. The violence from local authorities that greeted the marchers led to an international outcry and hastened the passage of civil rights legislation in Washington DC.

    Marches against the Vietnam War filled out the decade. Sometimes there was violence, as in Chicago during the 1968 Democratic Party convention and in 1970 at Kent State University in Ohio. But often the marches, with their hundreds of thousands of participants, went off without a hitch, their main purpose being to remind politicians of the war’s deep unpopularity.

    It wasn’t just in the English speaking world that the 60s marked a high-water mark for political marching. French students marching through Paris in May 1968 provoked disproportionate violence from the government of Charles De Gaulle. This in turn cost the government its support in France at large, and the government fell.

    Today, marching seems to be a retro activity, an act of political nostalgia more than a tactic to bring about specific change. Very few of those who walk the streets “making their voices heard” would be willing to go much further to change politics.

    Marching is a right in free societies. Political leaders tolerate marching but don’t fear it. When more than a million and half people marched through London in February 2003 to protest the impending war with Iraq, it changed absolutely nothing.

    In America, there have been million man and million women marches that echo Dr King’s March on Washington, but they seem to want nothing more than television camera time.

    This has culminated in television personalities taking over the march on Washington business.

    The two big rallies held this past election season were organised by TV stars Glenn Beck and John Stewart. I wonder what the future of political marching is. Clearly, it has become a fun day out and chance to be among like-minded people who wanted to make “their voices heard,” or “show politicians I disagree.”

    Yes, well, thank you for sharing.

    If protest marching is ever going to be a useful political tactic again, those who put one foot in front of another are going to have be willing to take a bit more risk.

    Civil disobedience would be the next step, with jail time a possible consequence of one’s actions. How many students protesting tuition rises would risk that?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11849259

    BBC

    November 27, 2010 at 5:44 pm

  14. If protest marching is ever going to be a useful political tactic again, those who put one foot in front of another are going to have be willing to take a bit more risk.

    Civil disobedience would be the next step, with jail time a possible consequence of one’s actions. How many students protesting tuition rises would risk that?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11849259

    BBC

    November 27, 2010 at 6:03 pm

  15. An interesting contribution from BBC, but perhaps a bit too cynical.

    Tolpuddle was a much a story of the Anglican gentry oppressing Methodist workers as it was an economic protest. There was an element of religious persecution there as well.

    Besides, when those Housing and Council Tax Benefit cuts make thousands homeless this time next year, there really WILL be something to get angry about. And getting arrested will at least mean warm food and shelter!

    We’ve already reached the stage of seeing demonstrators charged by mounted police.

    Squiddly Diddly

    November 28, 2010 at 11:52 am

  16. Looks like there’s going to be a deferment on the introduction of the Housing Benefit Cap, though it won’t affect me.

    Squiddly Diddly

    November 29, 2010 at 9:20 am

  17. Civil disobedience is a good way to go. Could I suggest som further IDEAS ?

    1 Every job seeker turn upto the job centre to use the job points. whether r not your supposed to. If they want you to leave then they have to ask you. You then complain
    2 Visit the M.P’s fill up their surgeries and complain complain and complain
    3 Spend an extra five minutes whining to the person you sign on with. they supposed to check what your doing. SSo play the game and tell them exactly what is going on you applyand apply and no employer sends you feedback.
    4 Spend five minutes worth of pointless conversation with someone in authoritym your not being aggressive, or rude, your just asking stupid blooedy questions.

    Everyone spends at least 5 minutes complaining to a job centre person then the less time they gott therefore yout tying things up

    Kyron

    November 30, 2010 at 10:07 am

  18. http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=181074851903167&index=1

    On 15th December a National Day of Protest Against Welfare & Housing Benefit Cuts has been called.

    Lets organise something in Ipswich.

    Nik Fox

    December 2, 2010 at 12:47 am

  19. 🙂

    Nik Fox

    December 2, 2010 at 12:52 pm

  20. I favour the sort of civil disturbance promoted by the Electronic Disturbance Theatre.

    At an agreed time, we flood MP’s websites with computer-generated messages in an attempt to bring their websites down! 🙂

    Squiddly Diddly

    December 3, 2010 at 3:12 pm

  21. But I’m also up for a National Day of Protest! 🙂

    Squiddly Diddly

    December 3, 2010 at 3:13 pm

  22. Dont think protesting can work as a previous poster said the unemployed are dis-united.

    I believe a legal challenge can be mounted against new deal conscription based on the ‘National Minimum Wage Act 1998’ and ‘Article 4 of the European Convention on Human Rights’

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_4_of_the_European_Convention_on_Human_Rights

    I would dearly love to stand outside the offices of A4e/BTCV etc. handing out leaflets encouraging the conscripts to take legal action against their tormentors!

    It would take one landmark case and the floodgates would open eventually killing off this barbaric exploitation of the unemployed!

    Pete

    December 19, 2010 at 2:09 am


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