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 Okay I made up a bit here but this is the latest scheme of the Liberal-Tory Junta that runs this country,

Drug addicts who refuse treatment could have their welfare benefits withdrawn, it was reported.

The Home Office is considering some form of “financial benefit sanction” for claimants who fail to address their drug or alcohol dependency, the BBC said.

It would mark the revival of a scheme planned by the previous Labour government aimed at helping get drug users back into work.

Social security advisers have warned such a move could drive addicts back into a life of crime.

 

(Comment: Too bloody right!)

The idea is said to be in a consultation paper on the Government’s drug strategy for England, Wales and Scotland. A spokesman for the Home Office was unable to comment on the proposal.

It comes amid government plans for wider shake-up of the welfare system to help save billions of pounds.

The Labour government planned a series of pilot schemes this year to help drug users kick their habits and return to work.

They included applying sanctions to addicts who failed to attend treatment awareness programmes, and increased powers for the criminal justice system to help identify problem drug users not in treatment.

But the Social Security Advisory Committee – a statutory body – warned the pilot could cause “significant harm” including the “disengagement of problem drug users from the welfare to work system with…negative economic and social impacts”.

This is the latest area of drug policy to come under the microscope this week.

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Written by Andrew Coates

August 20, 2010 at 8:35 am

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  1. Andy, perhaps this proposal was developed from feedback the Government has been asking for?

    I was on the website and saw at least one person suggest it.

    Will post a link if I can find it 🙂

    Flexible New Deal

    August 20, 2010 at 9:32 am

  2. This has drammatic and potentially dangerous overtones

    People could be forced into getting treatment fr other things as well. The problem I forsee withthis is in my case my eyes.

    I have been told that my eyesight is continuing to get worse. Their is a possible course of action but this will only stabilise my condition for a limited time, do I get forced into treatment potentially saddling me with blindness sooner rather than later. Also no guarantee that my eyesight will be any better may even be worse. SO SHOULD I LOOSE MY BENEFITS

    kyron

    August 20, 2010 at 1:02 pm

  3. Unsurprisingly enough, it looks like the DWP are ignoring the rules and compelling claimants to take up treatment by removing their DLA.

    “Condition Management” is mentioned as part of the Work Related Interviews that ESA (Work Related Activity Group)claimants have to attend. It doesn’t take a great leap of imagination to see the abuse of individuals that is going to happen when low level JCP staff decide that they know better than a doctor and patient.

    http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/08/457153.html?c=on#comments

    Totally depressing.

    Lucy

    August 20, 2010 at 1:19 pm

  4. the dwp staff already have that attitude it already stated in the past “second guessing doctors'” as they put it,they readily trample over people regardless with a bigoted attitude and this just makes matters worse.tabloid opinion is well known already whipping up resentment and societies attitude that simply being unemployed is a crime in itself,some of the comments left on here are completely unjustified venomous and vindictive it could be said representative of whats quoted above.

    ken

    August 20, 2010 at 3:03 pm

  5. I think its a bad move to stick a bunch of hardcore Alco’s and Druggies on JSA as its just going to merge genuine jobseekers with Alco’s and Druggies in the eyes of employers and the public bringing us down to their level. What ever minor benefit that being moved onto JSA’s stricter requirements may have had for some of the lesser Alcos and Druggies is going to be hugely outweighed by the negative effects of all people on JSA then being viewed as druggies and Alcos This will seriously hamper our job prospects even more and make employment near impossible,as employers won’t want to advertise in the Job Centre or take on people on JSA as they will think we are all just druggies and Alcos.

    Lowestoft's Finest

    August 20, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    • I don’t believe it is a case of sticking “Alco’s and Druggies” on JSA. These are people who are already receiving benefits, just like those who post so often here are as legitimate as anyone else.

      Don’t forget that thousand upon thousand of people with substance dependency hold down jobs too.

      Surely you can see that turning on people with problems that you yourself may not have is exactly what the Gov’t and the likes of the Daily Mail are doing with their hounding of the sick and disabled and their persecution of those without jobs.

      It’s a perfect and divisive tactic and it takes away the power of people to work together to make a better world. It also erodes empathy for your fellow human beings.

      You don’t like people with drug/alcohol problems. Maybe you don’t want to be near the disabled or sick too?

      Appropriate treatment regimes for those with drug/alcohol dependency are few and far between. Those that do survive are underfunded. To punish individuals for refusing to take up treatments that are ineffective is obscene.

      There will be worse to come.

      Lucy

      August 20, 2010 at 5:52 pm

      • Lucy, When sick and disabled people start robbing the poorest people in society who can’t afford insurance of everything they have then flogging what they have stolen for next to nothing to feed their habbits…then you’re right I will hate them equally, but till then like the people who were robbed they had no choice in the matter so they are ok with me.

        Lowestoft's Finest

        August 20, 2010 at 6:04 pm

      • Well said, Lucy.

        Old Timer

        August 20, 2010 at 6:16 pm

      • Touché, Lucy! Let’s see Lowestoft’s Finest put that in his pipe and smoke it 🙂

        Scarlet Pimpernel

        August 22, 2010 at 10:01 pm

      • Touchy Lucy! Let’s see her sit on a bottle of that and remove the screw top without using her hands.

        The Purple People Maker

        August 23, 2010 at 9:03 am

  6. Not every addict is a thief!

    Legislation that sanctions benefits for not taking up treatment is likely to turn many addicts to crime to support their dependency. I’m not justifying any kind of crime, but I cannot see how hating any section of society be it the jobless, the sick or the addicted makes any situation better for anyone.

    This legislation will make the crime you speak of far more frequent.

    People on benefits should remember that they are all in it together.

    Lucy

    August 20, 2010 at 6:19 pm

  7. Full on junkies are just in with hardcore drugs, thats all they live for they have no solidarity with any body else…one ODed up here the other year who was living back with his parents, whilst his funeral was on his parents gaff got completely turned over…thats junky solidarity.

    Lowestoft's Finest

    August 20, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    • Tell me how sanctioning benefits would have changed their behaviour for the better? They would be as likely to take up compulsory treatment as they are become astronauts.

      However much you disapprove of those with dependency problems; however many Daily Mail type tirades you launch, however many stereotypes you describe, or friend-of-a-friend anecdotes you tell, your hate does nothing but compound the problem in society. Sanctioning benefits does nothing except up the crime rate and cause more suffering (to all parties involved)

      The solidarity to which I referred is not between addicts. I refer to the now seemingly lost solidarity between those who are at the arse end of our warped society.

      By hating on those who you deem to be lesser than yourself, you are playing right into the sweaty, grabbing little hands of Cameron and his ilk.

      Never was the phrase “divide and conquer” more apt…

      Lucy

      August 20, 2010 at 6:50 pm

  8. I have just been out on placement and it has realy brought home just how bad the Lowestoft hard drug problem has got.

    The place I worked was in a public park, and god help the poor gardeners (probably soon to be replaced by work for nothing workfare gardeners)as I doubt if their were any bushes in the park that didn’t have used syringes chucked in. Nearby there is a single mothers refuge and when walking past early one morning I noticed someone had even chucked used syringes into the entrance, then when walking home I discoverd yet another used syringe under the railings of a kids school crossing , Oh and before I forget In the month I was out on placement I had to take an alternative route home as the road was closed as a junky had comitted suicide by diving under a lorry on the A12 right outside a school a bit before home time.And thats just in one month.

    Class act, have you ever considerd you are giving the wrong person in the wrong place a lesson on solidarity cos up here we are totaly sick off it.

    Lowestoft's Finest

    August 20, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    • Do you have a solution to this junkie problem, Lowestoft?

      Old Timer

      August 20, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    • As regards Lowestoft, I don’t know why the council/police don’t secretly film the park for a few weeks. And after they’ve identified those reponsible take them back to the park and make them pick up every syringe. And make sure the local media are present for the event! And put there photos in the local paper.

      Funny A4e Photos

      August 20, 2010 at 9:17 pm

      • Funny A4e, Yesterday when I posted my comments I thought that the discarded syringe thing in inapropriate places was just down to irresponsible junkies.

        But today in hindsight I now think its drug dealers/junkies “staking out their territory” in the latest round of a turf was between drug dealers and Lowestoft Council/Police in that area.One of the reasons being their are actualy CTV Cameras in the entrance to the single mothers hostel and in the park but the syringes seem to only appear where the CTV cameras are as not far away their is a beach which is not coverd by CTV and could be just as easily used but instead the Dealers want to mark their territory under the councils noses.

        The neighbouring roads are controled by dealers and things esculated to the point where even people delivering catalougues in that area were getting car jacked at knife point and forced to drive to London etc, this got so common that the council tried to make the area pedestrian only, but this kicked off a load of disturbances. Most the dealers got busted thanks to locals having had enough but more just seem to take their place.

        There is a big house that borders the park that was turned into flats, but is being constantly smashed up for years despite constant repair work on it. apparantly it and a lot of roads in Lowestoft belong to a drug smuggler who also had a buisness making custom speed boats here used to smuggle drugs from morroco to Spain, anyway he got captured by the Morrocans but escaped and is on the run abroad, meanwhile SOCA seized all his properties and company here but are making a pigs ear of things as most the property is laying empty apart from hilariously one place that got rented out then got busted for being a Brothel.I think the fact the properties are in the hands of SOCA is why they are being continuesly attacked.

        Lowestoft's Finest

        August 21, 2010 at 9:48 am

    • I’m not giving a lesson to anyone, clearly.

      The message is this; hate, exclusion and benefit sanctions causing punitive financial hardship are not the answer to the myriad drug/alcohol dependency problems in this country or any other. These measures only add to the problems for individuals and communties. It’s the use of these tools and our ridiculous drug policies that have produced the devasting effects of drug/alcohol use in communities, up and down this country.

      When you snipe and sneer at the junkies on the street, you are aiming at the wrong target. The real target should be the criminal network of drug supply that only exists because our legislation ensures it will thrive.

      Lucy

      August 20, 2010 at 11:14 pm

  9. http://billpstudios.blogspot.com/2010/08/free-security-for-people-looking-for.html

    Friday, August 20, 2010
    Free Security for People Looking for Work

    (Scotia, NY) WinPatrol Supports Unemployed Job Seekers
    It’s no secret that the unemployment numbers around the world are at an amazing high. At least once a week I receive a plea from someone who is unemployed asking for a discounted upgrade to WinPatrol PLUS.

    For someone looking for a new job, a computer is a must have tool. Unfortunately, they’re also the targets of scam artists who take advantage of folks who need help the most.

    In response to the need to protect and help the unemployed I’m giving away our $29.95 single user license with all the benefits of our standard WinPatrol PLUS upgrade. As a computer professional I’ve been blessed never to be without work but these days unemployment can happen to anyone. Visiting new web sites is a time when WinPatrol PLUS is needed the most. I’d much rather have someone using their time to find that perfect job instead of fixing computer problems.

    All that’s required is to scan in or provide a screen capture proof you have recently received unemployment benefits or other reasonable proof of unemployment. Sorry, but you can’t just Email support@winpatrol.com and say “I’m unemployed, give me a code”. Some evidence is required but our give away is even available to our friends outside the U.S. Requests will be will be processed within 24-48 hours.

    Here’s an example of what New York State provides to those receiving benefits and the kind of proof acceptable.

    I’ve blurred out the name on this example but when you send proof you should just blur out your social security number or other private information I wouldn’t need. Send your proof to support@winpatrol.com or mail to
    BillP Studios
    32 Sunnyside Rd.
    Scotia, NY 12302
    Include your name and Email address printed clearly in your request. Your information will of course be considered confidential.

    For now, this is a limited offer available until the end of August 2010. If you know someone who is unemployed but could use WinPatrol PLUS send them here to http://bitsfrombill.com. I challenge other software companies to do the same.

    * A screen capture using Windows is possible by pressing the Alt key + the PrtSc key. A image of the current window will be stored in the Windows clipboard. You can then open your favorite paint or photo program and “paste” into a new document. Edit out your SS# if it’s visible and attach the file to an Email to support@WinPatrol.com

    Bill Pytlovany

    August 20, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    • This is a British site mon pote,

      je me branle et je me fou du yaourth.

      Andrew Coates

      August 21, 2010 at 8:46 am

    • You missed this bit: “but our give away is even available to our friends outside the U.S. “

      Eagle Eye

      August 22, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    • Notice the “Weekly Benefit Amount” in the screen shot in the link – $350 (218.75) wtf! And you can throw in some food stamps. So, even if unemployment timed out after 5 years in the USA it would be equivalent to at least of 17 YEARS of what the schmucks in Old Blighty receive!

      Really Eagled Eye

      August 22, 2010 at 4:58 pm

      • JSA is way to low in this country. In the Irish Republic they get €196 (about £160) per week, plus they get a certain amount of free energy on their energy bills.

        Lowestoft's Finest

        August 22, 2010 at 5:12 pm

  10. http://billpstudios.blogspot.com/2010/08/free-security-for-people-looking-for.html

    Friday, August 20, 2010
    Free Security for People Looking for Work

    (Scotia, NY) WinPatrol Supports Unemployed Job Seekers
    It’s no secret that the unemployment numbers around the world are at an amazing high. At least once a week I receive a plea from someone who is unemployed asking for a discounted upgrade to WinPatrol PLUS.

    For someone looking for a new job, a computer is a must have tool. Unfortunately, they’re also the targets of scam artists who take advantage of folks who need help the most.

    In response to the need to protect and help the unemployed I’m giving away our $29.95 single user license with all the benefits of our standard WinPatrol PLUS upgrade. As a computer professional I’ve been blessed never to be without work but these days unemployment can happen to anyone. Visiting new web sites is a time when WinPatrol PLUS is needed the most. I’d much rather have someone using their time to find that perfect job instead of fixing computer problems.

    All that’s required is to scan in or provide a screen capture proof you have recently received unemployment benefits or other reasonable proof of unemployment. Sorry, but you can’t just Email supportATwinpatrol.com and say “I’m unemployed, give me a code”. Some evidence is required but our give away is even available to our friends outside the U.S. Requests will be will be processed within 24-48 hours.

    Here’s an example of what New York State provides to those receiving benefits and the kind of proof acceptable.

    I’ve blurred out the name on this example but when you send proof you should just blur out your social security number or other private information I wouldn’t need. Send your proof to support@winpatrol.com or mail to
    BillP Studios
    32 Sunnyside Rd.
    Scotia, NY 12302
    Include your name and Email address printed clearly in your request. Your information will of course be considered confidential.

    For now, this is a limited offer available until the end of August 2010. If you know someone who is unemployed but could use WinPatrol PLUS send them here to http: //bitsfrombill.com. I challenge other software companies to do the same.

    * A screen capture using Windows is possible by pressing the Alt key + the PrtSc key. A image of the current window will be stored in the Windows clipboard. You can then open your favorite paint or photo program and “paste” into a new document. Edit out your SS# if it’s visible and attach the file to an Email to supportATWinPatrol.com

    Bill Pytlovany

    August 20, 2010 at 8:18 pm

  11. drug use has to seen in context,while its seen as unacceptable television/celebrities have been indulging in this for years often passed off as off the wall inspiration and nothing more said perhaps hitting the headlines when rehabilitation is needed,don’t forget cigarettes are a drug too,its not uncommon to see a group of job centre staff outside and afraid to say the chesty cough that’s not a healthy lifestyle either,when the case of cigarettes hit the headlines as doing more damage the other drugs’ the then government adviser professor nutt was promptly sacked,however this has to be taken into context the availability of cigarettes and per head of population on other drugs is vastly different this opens up questions as to cigarettes the cost on society to those affected in latter life through treatment and personal health.a cynical person might say that’s because of the tax gained packets are not short of uk duty paid markings.

    i have sat through probably more interviews then many given my experiences and have had to listen to “employers” degrading job centre applicants,such comments as a guy walked in with a tie around his waste and went on to say like a pikey asking for a piece of rope,it may equally been thecase that the person might not have been able to afford suitable clothing,what this had to do with my interview i dont know,also the time where someone took a dim view of job centre applications “i’ve had a few good ones'” it must be said why did he bother advertising in the job centre in the first place.

    lets not for get this is a benefit office not cosy office on the 7th floor,tying the benefits to jobcentre plus has placed many in that environment all types,the government has gone on a clean up act seeking to control lives under the name of benefits and the fitter healthier uk plc label,not just class drugs they are attempting to curtail peoples medication for other illnesses and influence in that area also’ this has all to seen for what it is in an open context.

    ken

    August 20, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    • Bang on Ken.

      The hypocrisy is astounding. In the current discussion paper there is no mention of functioning alcoholics being compelled to seek treatment. How many professionals whose work seriously affects our lives have a drinking/drug problem? I see not one word about the tens of thousands addicted to OTC medicines or the thousands nursing addiction to benzodiazepenes because of lazy prescribing doctors.

      I don’t see any talk of serious funding to help anyone with a dependency problem. All I see are cuts to already skeletal services.

      Your points about the common narrative used to describe job applicants reminds me of an old saying:-

      We get the world we describe.

      If people are constantly put down and derided – what chance do they have to even sustain the most meagre of self respect when the very system and those who should be supporting them can do nothing but sneer.

      It’s shameful.

      Lucy

      August 20, 2010 at 11:25 pm

  12. For those of you that are too enveloped in the fug of your cannabis joints to understand. Any use of non prescription or pharmacutical drugs is against the law. This also includes alcohol. This country is fed up with you. We don’t care what misery you inflict on yourself. But we don’t want you inflicting the burden of this on the state. The Money you worthless parasites spend on this shit could be better spent on wages for Doctors Nurses Teachers and Police and Prison Officers and indeed more prisons to house the likes of you worthless miserable low lifes. Yes stop your benefits NOW and go to rehab enforced if need be. Stop taking taxpayers hard earned money and spending it on rubbish

  13. Sorry I shoud have put Missuse o Alcohol. But I stand by everything else

    CFF

    • What’s it with the all the upper-crust toffy nose posters on here with the double-barrelled names?

      Bertie Weedlestock-Ramsbottom

      August 21, 2010 at 9:21 am

      • Lowestoft’s-Finest ?

        Lowestoft's Finest

        August 21, 2010 at 10:00 am

      • Blimey Lowestoft seems worse than Ipswich!

        I was offered some cheap razor blades from a junkie a couple of days back.

        Maybe they are already getting ready?

        Andrew Coates

        August 21, 2010 at 11:52 am

      • Seems unusal does it. I wonder if they all belong to the same club old chap.

      • Good grief, old chap. Fancy meeting you here. How the devil are you, old bean?

        Rupert Winterbottom-Fitzgerald-Humphries-Smitherton

        August 21, 2010 at 2:09 pm

  14. Well done Mr Fanshaw-Featherstone.
    This should have been said long ago. We too are fed up with treating these paracitical idiots in A&E when we could be treating the more genuine cases. If it were not for these people there would be more for our departments and CANCER DRUGS. I wish we did not have too treat these people. But the law of this country says we must do. This of course is one of the proplems of society today. Others bring misery on themselves and we the stupid tax payers allow the government[?] to pick up the pieces using our money. Enough is enough and yes I agree. Stop all benefits and enforce treatment and re-education and lifestyle changes.
    Society will benefit in the long run.

    The Doctor

    August 21, 2010 at 8:31 am

    • Lets get serious for once in a while. Can we please have some feed back from either the Local Authority and the DWP / Providers on what they REALLY think of this site. Some points are valid Some are not. There has been some silliness too, and that has probably lifted the spirts of a lot of people. What we REALLY want is facts. Not rumours or counter rumours.
      Thanks for listening
      James

      James

      August 21, 2010 at 2:01 pm

      • Spirits 🙂

        Ally Alco

        August 21, 2010 at 2:46 pm

      • James, this is a forum with the ability for viewers to comment on articles. We cannot validate each and every comment made, besides not all comments are intended as fact, but as opinion… which could be or might not be factual.

        Does GOD exist?! Many people will say yes, but as I dont believe, I would say no… whats factual and whats not? Both are opinions based on peoples beliefs.

        yes a few silly posts do exist… yours being one of them! 😀

        Flexible New Deal

        August 21, 2010 at 3:55 pm

      • Forum? I meant blog… damn… silly post too I guess 😀

        (technically the IUA group is a forum :D)

        Flexible New Deal

        August 21, 2010 at 3:57 pm

      • Korrect,

        and the most popular forum for us.

        Andrew Coates

        August 22, 2010 at 10:40 am

      • “Lifted the spirts”.

        Richard Madeley-Tesco

        August 21, 2010 at 4:07 pm

      • Loosen up James. What’s got your pink polka knickers in a twist… oo-er, matron. It’s the eclectic selection of comments that make this site the most popular Ipswich-based, unemployment-focused, action-oriented blo… where’s me rubber when I need it :-)… forum on the net 🙂

        Bobby Davro

        August 21, 2010 at 4:09 pm

      • lol @ Richard Madeley – Tesco

        Unexpected item in bagging area lol 🙂

        barney

        August 22, 2010 at 10:07 am

  15. Quite right The Doctor.

    I have my own facilities already opening for these n’er-do-wells:

    Dr Menge

    August 21, 2010 at 8:50 am

    • Dr Menge with respect you need to drasticly rethink your buisness plan-

      How ever great your junkie killing abilities may be it still won’t be a patch on the junkies own ability to kill themselves or other junkies.Your on a loser in comparison

      Professor Minge

      August 21, 2010 at 10:23 am

  16. brillinat LF – the streets of LOwestoft are controlled by drug dealers – you coudn’nt make it up, could you?

    abu

    August 22, 2010 at 9:19 am

    • Hey abu, bigmouth. You got a problem, buddy?

      Scarface

      August 22, 2010 at 11:04 am

    • Abu Have a walk round the area after dark and see how you get on.

      Please now explain why the speed boat manufacturers were closed down and assets seized by SOCA and several roads worth of properteys siezed and are still in the pocession of SOCA then Abu?

      Lowestoft's Finest

      August 22, 2010 at 11:38 am

      • SOCA? It gets exciting! hehe… good to seem them busy.

        Flexible New Deal

        August 22, 2010 at 1:13 pm

      • Flexi, SOCA have been useless they don’t seem to know what do do after they seized this amount of properties and I have just heard that SOCA have just been scrapped but not sure who or what has replaced them?

        Lowestoft's Finest

        August 22, 2010 at 4:34 pm

      • My bad, as you can probably see with the typo… I was supposed to say “it is good that they seem busy”… focus on the “seem”…

        Flexible New Deal

        August 22, 2010 at 4:54 pm

      • SOCA is just another make-work, waste of space organisation, similar to CEOP run by the corrupt Jim Gamble. These tax-payer funded layabouts are a bigger drain on the public purse than any so-called “welfare scrounger”. You would be shocked to find out how much “work” lol goes on in these place. Time to have a peek through your local police station windows.

        Ashley

        August 22, 2010 at 5:24 pm

  17. The problem with these benefits is that if someone who was long term unemployed turned up for a job they would experience middle class prejudice and not be given it on the basis that they have been ‘scrounging off the state’. I know it does not make sense, but that is how it is. People already in a job are far more likely to get another one, even if they are the most useless person imaginable, purely because they have been working. If a long term unemployed person is actually given a job, then via the same prejudice they will be given the most awful job imaginable, and most likely get sacked on a whim. A friend of mine was sacked for taking two minutes longer on his break than he should have done. The job was awful but he gave it a go and now regrets having done so. What has IDS got to say about that?

    Paul Harris

    August 22, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    • I’m not sure how true the old theory of “if your in work its easier to get another job is”?

      I think it depends on who/ what your presently working at, I just heard on the Radio becouse of the total balls up that was the original Millenium Dome the staff found it near impossible to get taken on elsewhere as everyone got branded with the same level of incompetence regardless though many had nothing to do with the desision making.
      Likewise if you worked in a Chicken Factory you would be viewed as a serial chicken killing troglodite by middle class interviewers in another industry, Also if you work 12+ night shifts and have to travel hours to work then you end up completely out of the jobs loop. You can see how people get stuck in the worst jobs.

      If it’s any consolation your friend should keep a look out from now on to see how often his ex job and similar jobs crop up with his ex employer, as I guess he has had the bad luck to find a revolving door employer that practicly needs to advertise the same jobs permanently thanks to their high turn over off staff.

      I choose to put in search all full time jobs on my job search within a certain radius of my postcode, doing it like this you certainly spot the firms that can’t hold onto their staff and no to avoid them.

      Lowestoft's Finest

      August 22, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    • what they attempt to overcome this is “voluntary work” that can raise more questions then it answers’,however the voluntary sector is completely full taken by new deal/volunteers/community service but they keep on insisting voluntary work despite all this,also the restricted choice available from volunteer services to unemployed people is also a problem,i at least found it did not work on new deal it was supposed to provide a reference but staff turnover and manager problems amongst staff soon put paid to that,also its not seen as a occupation and volunteer is not what is expected in the mainstream and contradict to previous work.

      ian duncan smith continues running around with as much of an idead as a headless chicken,giving little thought only to the next public unworkable statement now appears to want 3 billion to “make work pay”,there is no further details to what these “ideas'” are and is in total denial of the existing job market what there is of it.

      http://itn.co.uk/d8034ef897f361680eca2ddff936bda7.html

      ken

      August 22, 2010 at 5:05 pm

      • Volunteering is a great activity to do if you deep down have the passion to want to do it:

        – Employers look for PAID work experience…
        – Employers look for TRANSFERABLE SKILLS in INTERESTS… Football… shows team work etc.
        – Charities also EMPLOY staff so why you the volunteer and not the volunteer co-ordinator or paid staff member etc.?
        – Employers find it hard to VALIDATE claimed volunteering experience… some people make it up
        – BALANCE is key, more volunteering than PAID work raises questions (unless you are straight out of school) – obviously you can choose to leave stuff out etc.

        Flexible New Deal

        August 22, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    • I agree wholeheartedly on the need for reform. It’s not on in a so called civilized society that a massive swathe of the population have jobs where nothing is produced other than work for others who do not produce anything either, and these folk consume more than their fair share of resources ruining and polluting the planet as they go. It is better to have them on welfare as it costs less. None of the powers that be point out that with the march of technology there is no need to have everyone in work 40hrs a week from adulthood to old age. If we got rid of all the meaningless unproductive jobs, millions of them being in the public sector, then the massive savings made could be used to increase welfare benefits. The real problems the country faces are disinformation, the entrenched political class and the richest million, not the despairing people with next to nothing and without legitimate means to improve their lots.

      Ashley

      August 22, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    • Spot on, ken.
      Here we go again with the same old bullshit…WE WANT REAL JOBS..jobs that will allow us to pay the huge tax/utility bills we have..It’s the usual story of hit the poorest while turning a blind eye to the wealthiest not paying tax and outsourcing this country’s (and its peoples) future abroad for the benefit of the minority… Of course the powers that be won’t look at this, because they’ve all got their noses in the same trough.

      Most of the benefits they’re talking of cutting, are the self same benefits the last ‘Tory’ Government brought in to hide just how many people had been thrown out of work..They created the welfare culture we have now, of course the last Labour Government was also worse than useless…

      D Norris MPhil

      August 22, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    • I generally agree with Paul. Spot on!

      I think there are 3 main attributes interview panels notice:

      1. Discrimination
      2. Potential
      3. Actual Capability

      I also think Lowestoft’s Finest has a point too which I will also explain.

      I will explain in order of how most work! 😀

      1. Discrimination… this can be any characteristic of a person… be in disability and race etc. It can also be Positive Displacement Discrimination (i.e. you don’t have existing links – perhaps someone else had previously worked there before, or someone is related to an employee) and discrimination on past work history – such as the examples LF stated. There is also discrimination on personal appearance etc. – Basically everything act of pure (negative) discrimination on yourself and discrimination on yourself as others have been favoured for one reason or another unfairly (positive discrimination for that person: negative for you…).

      2.Potential… This is what should be “capability” which is skills, experience, professional memberships, training, licensing and qualifications. Could the person do the job on paper?

      3. Actual Capacity… This gets interesting…

      Someone who already works (have another job) can reach full potential (as defined above).

      Someone who has left a job but is freshly unemployed, probably could do the job, but why have they left? (…when they could be applying while still having a secured job behind them) Many genuine valid reasons such as end of contract but the employer can always think of ways to make it your fault.

      Example: End of contract… as an employer they know many other employers have fixed contracts which just get renewed, extended or replaced with a new one. Perhaps they didn’t renew because the person couldn’t do their job? (We all know it could be due to lack of funding or cost cutting where literally its a department or branch that disappears without any focus on who works well or not.)

      Example 2: Redundancy due to effects of business and consumer spending (or lack of) after the Credit Crunch. (We all understand this) Employer thinks this ex-employee could be responsible for lack of competency to gain sales during such time or after the employer downsized, that employer got rid of the less capable people, thus this person is second rate.

      Someone who is long-term unemployed (6 months+) or otherwise hasn’t found a job in a modest period after leaving employment (3 months+) is less likely to be able to do the job (on a sliding scale of the period of unemployment) because they haven’t practised their job in such a long time and are outside of a work ethic. Being outside a work ethic means you are no longer reliable and are a liability of being late or not attending. (People like me make sure they stay in the work ethic although unemployed i.e. I am always awake by 7am latest and have routine tasks)

      It is true that an employer would rather have someone who is 80% capable at their job, working every day on time than someone who is 95% capable of their job but regularly late and don’t arrive some mornings.

      This is why many graduates moan about not having the required experience although fully qualified, as employers generally favour experience over qualifications because experience develops skills while qualifications is just understanding, which naturally gets lost over time if not put into use (i.e. without experience). Most graduates will lose more than half the knowledge gained after 3 years from graduation.

      There is a similar catch 22.. with having experience but not qualifications when an employer is doubtful that such experience has developed skills and knowledge, requiring a qualification to back up the “understanding” element. Some also see this as the lack of interest in personal and professional development… “so much experience, but nothing to show for it”. If you market yourself correctly emphasising on skills gained; most employers will give you a second look.

      It takes a REAL person to overlook unemployment gaps to see someone’s real potential. Someone with 3 months experience of working and unemployment of 4 months is more likely to get a job than a candidate going for the same who has 6 years experience in the same field but been unemployed for 3 years. I hope this has helped someone.

      Flexible New Deal

      August 22, 2010 at 5:53 pm

  18. Listen up people, the State can’t on one hand refuse to support the unemployed while on the other hand DENYING those same people the OPPORTUNITY to earn a living. You think that if your benefits were stopped tomorrow you could just go and buy an old banger and pick up a few fares…. ?

    Charlie Slater

    August 22, 2010 at 6:25 pm

  19. its really down to the unacceptable face of capitalism,the government while in a state of financial meltdown,has decided to go all out on those that are jobless and the sick/disabled with what is a risky strategy with no guarantees of anything other then potential continued cycle of job centre visits’ and this could be for some considerable time, exposing already vulnerable people to even more threat of decline health wise.this on top of the job centres expectations.

    outside charities brought in to “help” those that are in a difficult position are all to quick to walk away when it becomes apparent there is little that can be done at a quick pace,this can be after a period of many meetings and only when another outside volunteers organisation has no vacancies,this should have been established before taking on any client for a charitable groups employment coordinator to turn around and tell the client “i only work part time” and walk off leaving the person involved is totally unacceptable. also time spent with some groups on the other hand is to little and poorly thought,they seem to have high expectations’ expecting disabled to take control of their own lives at a stroke’ become employment ready overnight. and years spent unemployed and the effects all forgotten and an expect to walk into a job today attitude is not going to happen.this also means that people are unlawfully on jobseekers as they are expected to be available and ready for work when it could be clearly argued that the disabled need access to support. its no good offering a sum of money like two hundred pounds if you find a job when their in short supply and up against everyone else another barrier.the talk in the public domain and the reality are two different things.

    ken

    August 22, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    • It is the same old. Probably wont save them much money. Even £20m a year seems a big saving but its rather minor especially in real terms when you think of the individual support that has gone amiss.

      Flexible New Deal

      August 22, 2010 at 9:15 pm


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