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Written by Andrew Coates

March 16, 2010 at 11:34 am

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  1. Feel free to visit http://www.flexible-new-deal.co.uk/2010/03/14/tbg-learning-to-run-workfare-pilots/ for more information on TBG Learning* and what they are about.

    *=
    (1) what does TBG stand for?
    (2) how is workfare learning?
    (3) TBG Learning sounds a YMCA Training-like organisation

    Flexible New Deal

    March 16, 2010 at 1:38 pm

  2. There is a Q&A log between potential providers and the DWP on their website.

    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/wfyb-qa-log.pdf

    I must be reading it wrong though because this question can’t mean what I think it means…

    Q. Can we (as Providers) charge employers for placements

    A. That is a decision for individual providers to take when designing their solutions

    Average Joe

    March 17, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    • Whats wrong joe?

      They have already sold jobseekers to Flexible New Deal providers. You are an asset of their company now. You can be sold off to any business who will accept you.

      WfYB is exempt from National Minimum Wage.

      30 hours @ £5.80 = £174
      30 hours @ £2 = £60

      Not only are you being paid to work under NMW a provider will profit from it.

      Thanks for bringing this to my attention Joe – I did see the list of files regarding WfYB but didnt decide to view it.

      Flexible New Deal

      March 17, 2010 at 6:57 pm

      • That’s in keeping with what I was told: “…you are ours now, we can do anything with you that we like…”

        Raw Deal

        March 17, 2010 at 7:41 pm

      • Kind of like a company selling their bad debts to a bully-boy debt collection agency.

        jeff

        March 18, 2010 at 12:42 pm

  3. I don’t have all the details but I know of someone who after 6 months on FND at Ingeus (Edinburg)has just been informed he will be transferred to the Chamber of Commerce for ‘training’. He also thinks he has been reduced to a commodity to be bought and sold.

    Gerry Attric

    March 17, 2010 at 11:34 pm

  4. people on new deal have always worked alongside those on community service,”the punishment suits the crime” no discrimination there,while threatening to tell someones probation officer over five minutes late the same went for those on new deal.

    its a total disgrace what i have been reading on some sites clean hospitals/maintain the environment.its making unemployment work for them at costs below those that would normally be paid.

    ken

    March 18, 2010 at 1:53 am

  5. i would like to add that what appears to be offenders being made to work behind a sign like that in the above video is totally humiliating,what appears to be a pointing finger in public view would constitute “degrading and humiliating treatment”.i am not an offender but do not agree with whats shown in that video.

    ken

    March 18, 2010 at 2:58 am

  6. Ken: I appreciate your comments. But I for one refuse to do the same tasks as a common criminal sentenced to Community Payback and I would urge everyone else to make a stand!

    As regards Community Payback, it’s about justice being SEEN to be done.The more humiliation these common criminals get the better! I would make the sign bigger and even televise the event as a way of dissuading others from engaging in low level crime.

    You should have more sympathy for the unemployed instead off these annoying little turds who blight many communities

    Billy Boy

    March 18, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    • I agree with Ken. Humiliating people doesn’t make them a better person; it just makes them angrier.

      Spanner

      March 18, 2010 at 2:53 pm

      • Agree too, humiliation is no solution!

        jeff

        March 18, 2010 at 3:04 pm

  7. its just the way these twisted schemes work,the dwp are pressurizing everyone they can to get people ready for work,including in the doctors surgery where necessary.

    ken

    March 18, 2010 at 2:30 pm

  8. From the news: the government are planning to recruit army of “green police” to sift through householder’s rubbish… its all beginning to fall into place.

    Red

    March 18, 2010 at 4:15 pm

  9. Householders won’t want strangers going through their rubbish bags. But it’s the kind of crazy idea that New Labour would come up. Not to mention the health issues involved, would you do it? I certainly wouldn’t!

    Gerry Attric

    March 18, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    • Abu are you the Jobs Fairy?

      Lowestoft's Finest

      March 20, 2010 at 4:53 pm

  10. you could all save yourselves the bother – this may be radfical but why not think about getting a job…it might work

    abu

    March 18, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    • haha…

      (1) If a person can’t get a job within the last 12-24 months they arent going to get one now

      (2) I have thought of it. Nice thought actually… Similar to how there is a difference between finding a job (vacancy advert) and securing a job (becoming employed); theres a difference between “getting a job” and actually “having a job”.

      Where do you work?

      Flexible New Deal

      March 18, 2010 at 9:20 pm

  11. Abu: Do you live in jeopardy? I heard there are lots of jobs in jeopardy.

    Seriously though, why don’t you tell us how how the long-term unemployed are supposed to get a job. I’d be very interested, as would many others, to see a list of employers who take on the long-term unemployed!

    Gerry Attric

    March 18, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    • this is why it comes down to the dwp world and the outside world two different things’.

      people who have been outside employment often need additional support if they have problems,the dwp have an emphasis also on support in work trying to prevent a return to benefits’.

      ken

      March 19, 2010 at 1:36 am

  12. Once a person has been unemployed for two years they are more likely to die or retire than get a job.

    Oracle

    March 19, 2010 at 5:34 am

  13. As for Workfare being degrading, I for one don’t relish spending my days sweeping streets and shining shoes for a few coppers.

    Andrew Coates

    March 19, 2010 at 11:08 am

  14. I haven’t worked for quite a few years, but in 2008 I became a qualified IT Technician (free course paid for by the Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce) and started doing voluntary work last year repairing computers. And since Ingeus produced a brill CV for me two weeks ago I’ve actually been getting agencies phoning to offer me work! Admittedly, the jobs haven’t been suitable so far. But I feel more optimistic than I have done for some time. I’m not kidding myself that it will be easy. But you have to try and make the most of any opportunities.

    Gerry Attric

    March 19, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    • “PC technicians” are ten a penny these days, most people know either a friend or relative with enough PC skills. This is one thing that the bottom is falling out the market, even the “T***G***s” in P* W***d are struggling. Most jobs you see advertised in this line require a swathe of skill for nothing more than minimum wage. In what ways were the jobs offered unsuitable? Not financially viable.

      Oracle

      March 19, 2010 at 5:14 pm

  15. this workfare has been slipped in quietly as mentioned here.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/23/madeleine-bunting-welfare-reform

    ken

    March 19, 2010 at 10:06 pm

  16. Oracle, 20 hours a week. But I’ve also been shortlisted for a technical support (full-time) job in a call centre paying GBP 14k PA plus benefits.

    Gerry Attric

    March 19, 2010 at 10:48 pm

  17. funny that – I know one guy who was out of work for 10 years and claiming dla and has now been working for neraly a year and I know a good few others who have been out of work for wll over a year but have starte dwork recently

    abu

    March 20, 2010 at 2:52 pm

  18. gerry sttric – do you live in ‘I feel sorry for myself’ land – a list – you got completely the wrong idea mate – that swhy you aint got a job.

    abu

    March 20, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    • Just curious, abu, but what is it exactly do you do for a living, besides trolling on this site with smart-assed comments?

      Oracle

      March 20, 2010 at 3:26 pm

      • Abu is in reality “The Jobs Fairy”.

        Lowestoft's Finest

        March 20, 2010 at 4:56 pm

  19. Gissa job, Abu. I’d like nothing better than to work with you!

    Gerry Attric

    March 20, 2010 at 7:32 pm

  20. I get people jobs mate. Gerry, you wouldn’t be dissapointed, I’m a top bloke to work with. Post you CV to me and I’ll get you an interview.Didn’t mean to imply that JSA was the same as DLA – the point was this dude had been out of work for tens years and now he isn’t.

    abu

    March 22, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    • What kind of jobs, abu, call centre, office, factory? low pay, that kind of crap?

      Gary Baldy

      March 22, 2010 at 11:06 pm

  21. depends on quals and experience – office, factory -that kind of crap – you’e winding me up – take home 400 a week – crap – why bother eh…NMW is better than 1.30 an hour…and thats coming to a cinema near you soon…help yoursleves people…

    abu

    March 23, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    • and 1.30 an hour is better than 0.50 an hour is better than 0.01 is better than 0.00, is better than eating dogshit, is better than eating catshit, is better than eating birdshit, what is your, point abu?

      Scarface

      March 27, 2010 at 5:53 pm

      • Abu is right. So is expit.
        Scarface as you talk shit you should eat it too

        stavros

        December 14, 2010 at 10:11 am

  22. £400 a week? or NMW? which one is it? why don’t you spell things out a bit more clearly. so what are you then abu – a recruitment consultant? cos you sure as hell don’t come across as one with your smart assed snide comments. you remind me of a working links “adviser” – complete tosser, spent six months in sky, blagged his way in the working links, absolutely no real world experience, still living with his parents. what goes around comes around, abu, life plays some queer tricks, but one of them isn’t letting us away with it – you reap what you sow! see you on workfare abu lol

    Gary Baldy

    March 23, 2010 at 7:21 pm

  23. Looks like Gary Baldy has summed you perfectly, Abu. But there’s still time to redeem yourself. So what are these jobs and are they? A small selection will suffice.

    Gerry Attric

    March 23, 2010 at 9:15 pm

  24. All you people whinging at Abu….sitting whinging doesn’t work. Take stock of yourself, work out what skills you have and what you need to gain. Do voluntary work to gain missing skills, this gets work on your cv. then you have skills, experience and a cv, go for a job then, it ain’t rocket science. and Abu is so right when he warns that WorkFare is coming……and yes i’m a job search adviser, and yes i worked for 35 years in a variety of jobs, and yes i have been unemployed, and have taken drops in wages and all the rest of it.

    expit

    November 7, 2010 at 10:18 am

    • Have you seen the Door-to-Door charity jobs paying up to £40,000 a year with commission and the volunteering jobs to do the same for nothing?

      Work Programme

      December 13, 2010 at 3:59 pm

  25. There has to be better options than this.

    Columbus Chamber of Commerce

    December 13, 2010 at 3:53 pm

  26. Why don’t you all get jobs on workfare shovelling snow

    Andrew Coates

    December 15, 2010 at 9:21 am


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