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Sanctions on Flexible New Deal.

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“Should a customer not fully participate in Flexible New Deal it may be necessary as a last resort to raise either an Entitlement Doubt or Sanction Doubt“.

Entitlement  Doubts when “we suspect a participant is not complying with the basic rules of claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance

  • Being available for employment, and
  • Actively seeking employment.

Sanction Doubts: “are used to formally notify Jobcentre Plus of specific incidents of non-compliance by the participant with relation to his or her participation through FND, where YMCA Training’s staff make a decision that a  temporary penalty should be raised.

A doubt may be raised against your benefits it:

  • You do not appear to be actively seeking work
  • You do not make yourself available for work
  • You refuse to apply for, or take up, a job
  • You restrict your availability for training
  • You leave training before it is completed. 
  • You do not attend your agreed appointment
  • You refuse to sign your action plan
  • You refuse to do what is on you action plan.

And:

  • You do not curtsey or bow when in the presence of your betters.

Actually I made that one up.

Anyway, this list of ‘doubts’ is, well let’s just say,  comprehensive.

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Written by Andrew Coates

February 2, 2010 at 9:37 am

16 Responses

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  1. Providers do not have the legal ability to raise such doubts.

    What is interesting that there is a conflict between 2 options.

    Not ASE in Entitlement Doubts and not seeking work in Sanction Doubts. Do you get both?

    Flexible New Deal

    February 2, 2010 at 11:00 am

  2. One titbit of information I found out this week is that TNG are using the results of a multiple choice questionnaire entitled “Employability Needs” that you are told to fill out during your first interview to determine whether you go with them or get farmed out to the YMCA for 3 months instead.

    This is then repeated every three months that you remain on FND, so some peple could be going to YMCA more than once.

    For what it’s worth, I ticked the most optimistic responses when I answered it the first time and I’m now with TNG.

    Average Joe

    February 5, 2010 at 3:25 pm

  3. You’re lucky. I don’t know why but I got assigned to the YMCA on the basis of this questionnaire. despite saying I really really didn’t want to do there. And how much I objected to Christian organisations.

    So much for how ‘flexible’ the system is.

    Andrew Coates

    February 5, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    • Well I spoke too soon. I’ve taken the test a second time and I’m now off to YMCA. I think I may have ticked more “don’t know” responses this time round.

      Thanks to the software they use at TNG I’ve managed to download a selection of other peoples test results that shows what points they were awarded for some of the answers they gave, so I will be better prepared next time. 🙂

      Average Joe

      February 12, 2010 at 11:10 pm

      • Both YMCA Training and TNG are active blog viewers btw!

        YMAC Training staff are too stupid to copy and paste a web link – instead they click directly from their email which results in their webmail referrer being displayed.

        Flexible New Deal

        February 13, 2010 at 11:52 am

  4. Sounds like you will have to tell the jobcentre your a pagan, aitheist or something that makes your beliefs incompatible with the ethos of the YMCA. Always worth a try!

    Gerry Attric

    February 5, 2010 at 6:27 pm

  5. Joe, See you on Wendsdays? I’m there for the Job Search slot from 9.30 to 11.30.

    It’s not too bad. At least no risk of getting dystentry like at Reed

    But I’m waiting to see what exactly the rest of the programme is going to be (placements, etc).

    Andrew Coates

    February 13, 2010 at 11:40 am

    • “Joe, See you on Wendsdays? I’m there for the Job Search slot from 9.30 to 11.30.”

      I’m not in Ipswich, I’m afraid.

      “Both YMCA Training and TNG are active blog viewers btw!”

      Thanks for the warning, but there is nothing clandestine involved in viewing the results. The software is available from the desktop for people to use.

      Average Joe

      February 13, 2010 at 4:40 pm

  6. I work at TNG, the ENQ – Employability Needs Questionnaire is NOT the only deciding factor for who goes to YMCA- Training, it is up to your Personal Job Advisor and if he/she feels that you are deemed highly employable or if they feel that you only have a few barriers to overcome. If they feel that you have too many barriers either physically or those which you have decided to put in your way your self, then they will send you to YMCA training on your first appointment. In the TNG – FND awareness session also known as Induction, you will find out that you are quite likely to be referred to YMCA training at any of your quarterly reviews, and anyone who has been with TNG for 6 months will automatically be referred there.
    AND for anyone attending YMCA training there is no room for them discriminating or even proselytising due to being Christian or any other religion.

    TNG worker

    March 7, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    • The ENQ is absolute bullsh!t.

      Jobseekers are rotated and its the PJA’s discretion of who goes and stays at that specific point. The A, B, C and D groups and score is absolutely nonsense.

      ENQ isn’t that in depth and the TNG subcontractor policy is rotation as much as 50/50. Even if your ENQ is answered where its clear you don’t need extra support you will be advised to be sent to YMCA Training for “additional support”.

      Its the two specific groups:
      1) Cherry pick. Those who are judged as “employment ready” will stay with TNG so they don’t lose any job outcome bonus (i.e. the full amount). Then in 6 months, they will be sent to YMCA Training.

      2) Park. Those who aren’t deemed “employment ready” (including the persons character) are offloaded to YMCA Training to undertake a “big kick up the backside” threatening with sanctions.

      Anyway, the ENQ is a quarterly run spoof procedure deemed to fool JCP and jobseekers into thinking their skills etc. are being assessed. It is actually just to give reason as to why after saying “hi” that the provider is now saying “bye” and not willing to commit (works both ways – TNG and YMCA Training).

      The ENQ barely touches on anyone employment barriers – its completely pointless.

      It actually makes Atos Origin WCA system look somewhat superior (dare I say it). Talking of Atos, a new link I came across http://atoswca.org.uk/ .

      Work Programme

      March 7, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    • “AND for anyone attending YMCA training there is no room for them discriminating or even proselytising due to being Christian or any other religion.”

      However YMCA is very determined to assert its Christian identity.

      There are plaques and notices saying this.

      I cannot imagine another religion getting away with such.

      During courses they have been known to recommend churches as places for help with finding work and support for the unemployed.

      Andrew Coates

      March 8, 2011 at 9:17 am

      • Oh, and the YMCA umbrella is sexist. Although they have to allow women these days by law, and that they have deliberately employed many female staff, they are very proud of their sexist heritage.

        Back in those days it was different in regards to male/female segregation but that doesn’t change the fact.

        As for its Christian identity… 2/4 of its charitable aims are directly regarding Christians and of the conversion of people to Christianity.

        No nonsense, check with the Charity Commission…

        (A) TO UNITE THOSE WHO, REGARDING JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR GOD AND SAVIOUR ACCORDING TO THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, DESIRE TO BE HIS DISCIPLES IN THEIR FAITH AND IN THEIR LIFE, AND TO ASSOCIATE THEIR EFFORTS FOR THE EXTENSION OF HIS KINGDOM.
        (B) TO LEAD PEOPLE TO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND TO FULLNESS OF LIFE IN HIM.

        (C) TO PROVIDE OR ASSIST IN THE PROVISION OF EDUCATION AND TRAINING FOR PERSONS OF ALL AGES WITH THE OBJECT OF DEVELOPING THEIR PHYSICAL, MENTAL AND SPIRITUAL CAPACITIES.
        (D) TO RELIEVE OR ASSIST IN THE RELIEF OF PERSONS OF ALL AGES WHO ARE IN CONDITIONS OF NEED, HARDSHIP OR DISTRESS BY REASON OF THEIR SOCIAL, PHYSICAL OR ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCES.

        It is also in that order, prioritised with the two most important objectives first… which has absolutely nothing to do with helping people back into employment.

        Even the third one is nonsense, because for jobseekers, they do not offer “education” and as we know the employment programmes are spoof “training” schemes without any training. Trust Jobcentre Plus to find these organisation acceptable.

        Work Programme

        March 8, 2011 at 11:38 am

      • Oh just in my personal opinion – no charity should be divided by faith etc., Christian or otherwise.

        It cannot really be charitable if it is not fully inclusive whilst maintaining everyones liberties etc.

        Work Programme

        March 8, 2011 at 11:58 am

      • Queestion: I am a 50 year old Satan-worshipping woman. Does this mean that I have exemption from YMCA Training. Should I ask at the Job Centre?

        IsaBeel

        March 8, 2011 at 2:10 pm

      • No, they will convert you.

        Work Programme

        March 8, 2011 at 2:58 pm


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