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Unjustly Imprisoned Claimants.

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Mick’s Blog contains some important stuff,

prison barsMany hundreds of claimants are unjustly imprisoned every year because overpayment amounts are being ‘wildly exaggerated’ by the DWP, welfare benefits expert witness Neil Bateman has told MPs . In one case he assisted with, a woman prosecuted for a £47,000 overpayment had in reality under-claimed benefits.  

The shocking revelations were made in written evidence to a House of Commons committee currently examining the standard of DWP decision making.”

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Written by Andrew Coates

November 13, 2009 at 11:22 am

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  1. Talking of decision making, an interesting read:

    http://flexible-new-deal.co.uk/2009/11/01/flexible-new-deal-what-you-can-expect/

    This is an online text copy of their Flexible New Deal leaflet. There are comments on it too and the site mentions how the new scheme id designed to cut benefit fraudsters and unfairly sanction legally entitled jobseekers…

    Flexible New Deal

    November 13, 2009 at 12:11 pm

  2. i know someone who, when they originally claimed benefit in 1981 had savings well in excess at that time of the amount allowed to claim benefit so therefore this person has committed benefit fraud for over 20 years and the person is still claiming benefit and has never worked since 1981 yet despite reporting this person on many occasions to benefot fraud and also every dwp minister about this this person is still signing on and still not working nor do they apply for jobs yet they get away with it
    hopefully the welfare reform will sort this person out why should this person scam the system while the rest of us have to apply for jobs the jumped up hitlers at the job centre say we have to apply for

    ian

    November 15, 2009 at 9:52 am

    • The problem is should they ever bother doing something about it the sentence would be a non-jail one resulting in the person having to repay back the benefit in doubt.

      This “doubt” would mean out of further benefits paying back at something silly of £5 per week.

      Remember everyone who has committed benefit fraud have the right to attempt to claim benefits again.

      Flexible New Deal

      November 15, 2009 at 2:01 pm

  3. why not bar a person done for benefit fraud from claiming benefit until the money is paid back beside which the advert for benefit fraud on tv is always saying you could end up with a criminal record and even be jailed
    in the 80’s i was pulled in by benefit fraud and told i was working for cash in hand and claiming benefit this of course wasnt true when i asked where i was supposed to be working they told me just to ask the questions asked
    i went to citizens advice about it and they told me to keep a diary of my movements that way i could prove where i was at a particular time so ensured that i visited the jobcentre at least twice a day and was seen on the main streets in the town at particular times this would prove i wasnt working
    they never bothered me again as obviously the information they had was false but the threat was i could be fined £1500 or jailed i told them i didnt have£1500 and they would have to jail me which would cost more than the fine

    ian

    November 16, 2009 at 11:06 am

  4. ive done jobs for cash in hand but the jc dont know about it but its not big money a fiver here couple quid there ive even done bike repairs for a few quid but it has been hap hazard one week i could make £10 the next £30 then nothing for weeks on end i also used to refurb bikes and sell them but even if the jc knew about it i could say it was my bike and i sold it they cant stop you selling personal items a good excuse is someone gave me a bike but it was too small for me so i serviced it up and sold it on but like selling cars you cant sell more than seven in one calendar year or you are considered a trader

    ian

    November 16, 2009 at 11:12 am

    • I wouldn’t worry about the odd fiver here and there… after all you could disclose it but you will be reported for having a job or have your beenfit terminated.

      If you disclose you made between £5 and £35 for example one week they would see it is:

      a) you felt obligated to disclose you worked in that week i.e. you feel guilty

      and

      b) the figures you have disclosed are wrong as you think lying the amount would allow you to continue to claim benefits

      Flexible New Deal

      November 16, 2009 at 6:14 pm

  5. Be aware that the DWP watch the Net, and this site in particular!

    As the photocopy of the post about the YMCA they have illustrates.

    Andrew Coates

    November 17, 2009 at 3:40 pm

  6. Re the Andrews comment about the DWP reading this site. To be honest I am glad they do. I will not mention names but, I sincerely hope the appeals decision maker at the DWP read earlier my post regarding what action I am taking against him along with the Atos nurse for what I consider to be negligence of duty.It’s a sad fact but never the less true that the real benefit fraudsters are often experts at what they do & will continue to get away Scott free at the expense of the genuinely ill & infirm.

    Before I was disabled I used to be in business for myself & have a considerable depth of experience in dealing with the sharks in life who care only about their own worthless self focused world. I have also found that more often than not these kind of people are pretty weak characters when confronted with legal action & crumble at the first post. There are as many sharks working within the public sector as there are in the private sector. The “trick” is to keep calm, stay focused but use every single legal means possible to fight your case & never give in to blackmail i.e. threats of loosing further benefits ect. Remember there are also many decent & honest people working for the public sector, although you can be forgiven for thinking that they are all weak kneed spongers. Many in the public sector dislike what is happening also & will support you if you investigate the mountain of options that are available & push to find the right people.

    I know when you are ill energy, along with physical & mental restrictions can be a major hindrance, but do not give in, you owe it to yourself.

    Paul Metcalfe

    September 22, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    • The problem is, they (DWP etc.) can read…. but cannot retain such information or develop a plan of action. As a bizarre example of this…

      DWP have poor resources dispatched to deal with signing on Jobseekers. This isn’t an operational issue however, as they intend to make people wait long periods.

      This is what I call SILTP (pronounced sil-tip). Simple Illogical-Logic Thought Process.

      The idea is, if Jobseeker comes to Jobcentre, is seen within a couple of minutes and leaves… this person will benefit scrounge… probably on his/her break to sign on. The main reason is to break the unemployed out of the 24/7 freedom cycle – to hinder the “lifestyle”.

      So what does “illogical-logic” mean? Well… its illogical but seems logical to them.

      The actual problem is this break. Time must progress continuously, what actually happens is every jobseeker has portioned time periods every 2 weeks (some times weekly, for weekly signing). Anyone on Flexible New Deal has this period shortened between both Flexible New Deal meetings and signing on appointments. People need to get into a roll. It is SILTP to think allowing this to happen will mean longer term unemployment: it won’t. I am not saying about decreasing or abolishing signing on – every 2 weeks is a fair concept – it is the environment which is to blame.

      Each time visiting the environment, increase of anxiety and depression… this really is no big deal at short bursts. Being made to wait 15, 20, 30 or even 50 minutes to sign on past the appointment time (After getting their early to begin with complying with the requirement of attendance) is the killer. I think people naturally have a 10-15 minute immunity period from the bullshit. Past that, sets in increased boredom, clock watching and environment monitoring.

      Amongst the shame of being unemployed, the stress, depression and rejection (the things the press hardly covers) everyone who isn’t defrauding the state (including actively seeking employment which is by far the majority) has a genuine ambition of securing employment, progressing a career or personal development, with some potentially all of them areas.

      These “mind games” do not solve unemployment (although they probably reduce the claimant count) they just shatter this ambition. It takes a very strong minded person to swim through all such bullshit and achieve their goals. For those who cannot do this, clearly not as strong but not necessarily weak, it really isn’t their fault. Someone must take ownership of this issue: operational management at JCP, the Government or even the taxpayer. If this doesn’t get sorted the welfare bill will not lawfully be decreased – this is a bad deal for taxpayers.

      It is like listening to vinyl where every 30 seconds you lose power for 5 seconds or watching football on TV where every 15 minutes goes to a 5 minute advertising break where you miss the match.

      Flexible New Deal

      September 22, 2010 at 1:36 pm

      • “I think people naturally have a 10-15 minute immunity period from the bullshit. Past that, sets in increased boredom, clock watching and environment monitoring.”

        This subject has been researched before in relation to supermarket checkout queues; within increasingly defined periods of time customers become more edgy and frustrated with aggressive behaviour tendencies being symptomatic of such circumstances escalting. At first minor symptoms will displayed such as muttering, then foot-stamping. At a point customers should really abandon their shopping trolleys and walk out, but it has been observed – postulated as customer’s sense of “entitlement” – that this more than often results in fights breaking out in the queue, a common target is a customer who appears to be a bit slow. In such circumstances everyone has their “breaking point”; picture yourself in an never-ending checkout queue. All of this falls under the umbrella of psychological torture techniques; from your comment it appears that the Job Centre is employing deliberately “stress techniques”.

        Terry Leahy

        September 22, 2010 at 2:00 pm

      • good grief what would happen if I were ever to find myself stuck in a supermarket checkout queue 🙂

        liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti, please 🙂

        Hannibal Lechter

        September 22, 2010 at 3:05 pm


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