‘Support’ for the Long-term Unemployed: The Costs.

The government intends to sentence the ‘long-term unemployed’ to unpaid community payback, or “support for the long-term unemployed“.

There are major problems with this – apart from the fact that the out-or-work are not going to be overjoyed at working for nothing.

Or that those who could be paid to do these jobs will not be delighted to be undercut by those on the Dole.

Indus Delta notes,

The problem though, as ever, is around cost and impact.  Organising full-time activity, even when the participant is only paid benefit rather than a wage, tends to be expensive.  Someone needs to source the placement; there’ll be costs for the host employer (materials, training, supervision, etc) and there’ll be costs from providing jobsearch support, personal adviser support and reporting to DWP.  In the UK, the old Community Task Force paid providers up to £1,300 for a 13 week placement, while New Deal voluntary or environmental options cost £750-1,000 for 13 weeks (see here).   The current “Mandatory Work Activity”, which DWP began rolling out this summer, may be even more expensive – with a maximum cost of £800 for a four-week placement.

Let’s put this clearly: a reluctant workforce is going to need a lot of supervision, apart from all the other ‘costs’ (that is pay off to companies arranging the scheme).

On top of this we can expect the usual attempts to cream off extra cash and fiddles we’ve already seen from companies like A4E.

Of course, upfront costs aren’t a problem if the “workfare” programme recoups that through lower benefit spending.  By piloting first, DWP should be able to test this.  But it’s fair to say that the evidence is pretty mixed.  DWP’s own comparative review of workfare, published in 2008, concludes that while there is a strong deterrent effect (people leave benefit before starting the workfare), “there is little evidence that workfare increases the likelihood of finding work”, it is less effective in weak labour markets, less effective for those with multiple barriers, and can reduce the likelihood of entering work – because it can limit the time available to look for work.  (So taking Australia as an example, some studies find strong positive impacts from participation – for example these two impact assessments from 2006 and in 2010 – while another found “quite large significant adverse effects.”).

We have not seen any Government  test “pilot” scheme “fail”.

Even ATOS is given all the leeway it needs,despite mounting evidence that it has indeed failed.

The central criterion is not the effect Welfare Reform has in improving people’s lives, helping the unemployed into jobs,

It is to reduce the size of the welfare state, and hand large chunks over to private companies and charities. 

The Government and the enthusiasts for giving private companies large amounts of tax payers’ money will make sure this will ‘work’.

We await confirmation of how this army of unpaid labour will be used to plug the cuts in public service spending.

We could well end up with those on Workfare working alongside the paid, a sub-class of employees, without real rights and with barely enough money to live on.

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  1. DWP Slave
    July 31, 2012 at 11:39 am | #1

    The government intends to force people who have been unemployed for three years to work for six months for nothing. Photograph: Luke Macgregor/Reuters
    The announcement that the government will force people who have been unemployed for three years to do six months of work for free is further proof that they want the poorest to pay for the recession (Report, 30 July). To make workers trapped in long-term unemployment work for their benefits is an attempt to blame them for their own plight. However, that 1 million people could be unemployed for three years is an indictment of George Osborne’s failed economic policies. For the Tories to introduce this draconian regime while many of their super-rich friends are blatantly evading tax is utter hypocrisy. This latest workfare scheme will not only punish unemployed workers, but threatens to replace waged jobs with unwaged jobs as employers seize the opportunity to gain workers for free. This would further deepen unemployment.

    The Department of Work and Pension’s own figures on the impact of the mandatory work programme showed it had zero effect on getting people into work. By pressing ahead despite the evidence, Iain Duncan Smith seems more concerned with giving lucrative contracts to Tory donors than in getting 2.8 million people into real jobs with a living wage. Workfare doesn’t belong in a civilised society.
    Mark Dunk Right to Work, John McDonnell MP, Bob Crow General secretary, RMT, Ian Hodson National president, Bakers Food and Allied Workers Union, Ellen Clifford Disabled People Against Cuts

    • Why should they not be paid? Why should they be penalised? What sort of government have we put into power?
    Francis Westoby
    Hitchin, Hertfordshire

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jul/30/workfare-plan-tory-hypocrisy

  2. Tobanem
    July 31, 2012 at 11:55 am | #2

    FAO Andrew Coates

    It should be “Support for the VERY Long Term Unemployed”.

    That word very is very important.

    It is not the several million “ordinary” unemployed, nor is it the several million more part-timers desperately competing for full-time work, it is the VERY long term unemployed – the new underclass, a term going beyond the chilling Nazi Arbeitsscheu (workshy).

    I will say yet again, it is utterly amazing that these mandatory workfare “jobs” are emerging to accomodate the most unemployable people in the country when at the same time the claimant count continues to rise at Jobcentres!

    • Andrew Coates
      July 31, 2012 at 12:08 pm | #3

      I sit corrected.

      If carried out, as you say, this will be a major act of social engineering, to ‘deal’ with the ‘problem’ of the ‘underclass’.

      An Endlösung indeed.

      • Tobanem
        July 31, 2012 at 12:48 pm | #4

        There’s an awful lot of Nazi-speak creeping in here!

        UNTERMENSCHEN is another one that comes to mind!!

        What was the Nazi term for their euthanasia programme – no, I don’t it’s the “Work Capability Test”!!!

  3. Tobanem
    July 31, 2012 at 2:35 pm | #5

    Come to think of it, the Nazis did have a “Work Capability Assessment” in force.

    Upon arrival at the extermination camps, the unproductive inmates deemed unfit to work through old age or infirmity were fast tracked to the gas chamber.

    The remainder found fit to work were then put to work as slaves – some to the death.

    Contemporary Britain is not yet at the extermination camp stage. Not yet, although the peripheral ghettoes are looming where benefit refugees and the workshy (Arbeitsscheu) will be sent.

    Remember, the Arbeitsscheu in Nazi concentration camps included not just the “very long term unemployed”, but the ascocial, the homeless, alcoholics, the mentally ill and the disabled.

  4. Tobanem
    July 31, 2012 at 3:55 pm | #6

    BREAKING NEWS…BREAKING NEWS…

    ATOS staff vote for strike action.

    See the report here:

    http://union-news.co.uk/2012/07/breaking-olympics-sponsor-staff-vote-for-strike-action/

    It is not only G4S who pay their staff below average wages!

  5. super ted
    July 31, 2012 at 6:05 pm | #7

    they put people in poverty by stopping there benefit because there job is ticking boxes ect and they got the balls to go on strike for more money lmfao

    you can have 1 leg one arm and one finger and you are fit for work 0 points.

    shit your self and you get 15 points.

    • Tobanem
      August 1, 2012 at 9:45 am | #8

      FAO “Super Ted”

      Note, it is the administrative and reception staff of ATOS along with IT staff who have voted for strike action over poverty wages, rather than the tick-box practitioners who make the ludicrous decisions to deprive the sick of benefits.

      The PCS Union is not exactly in favour of the controversial Work Capability Assessment.

      • F*uck the PCS
        August 1, 2012 at 2:46 pm | #9

        F*uck the Unions! F*uck the PCS Union! F*uck their c*unty members!

  6. Charlie D
    August 1, 2012 at 3:04 pm | #10

    A useful link here from the DWP regarding new sanctions regime starting in Oct 2012.

  7. Tobanem
    August 1, 2012 at 4:40 pm | #11

    Now it’s a strike at the DWP Contact Centre – a place which is already struggling to provide a proper customer service. See this link:

    http://www.pcs.org.uk/en/department_for_work_and_pensions_group/dwp-news.cfm/id/6E339B64-44BD-4D15-87407D21DAA3C71E

    The PCS Union demands:

    Urgent recruitment of new staff to ease the pressure on staff and to enable CCS [Contact Centre Services] to provide a proper customer service

    Measures to integrate processing work into CCS to reduce handoffs, improve customer service and provide the variety of work and skills for our members

    Greater access to flexi time, particularly at the end of the day.

    An end to the privatisation of CCS work and no outsourcing of JSA online work

    A fundamental change to the management culture in CCS to replace current oppressive management approach with one that supports values and respects its staff.

  8. growls
    August 1, 2012 at 5:06 pm | #12

    No one going to comment on they have removed the 2 week sanction option for a first offense?

    13 weeks is harsh.

    • August 1, 2012 at 11:08 pm | #13

      This has been on the cards for a while.
      It might as well be 13 years. If you can survive for 3 months without food then you don’t need to sign on at all.
      It’s a death sentence and hopefully illegal under some law at least.

      • Skeleton
        August 2, 2012 at 11:04 am | #14

        You will be DEAD within a MONTH!

      • The Grim Reaper
        August 2, 2012 at 6:38 pm | #15

        :-)

  9. super ted
    August 1, 2012 at 7:18 pm | #16

    i just used to sign off for 12 weeks then on the 13 week put in a new clam for jsa and i went back to the start b4 this wp shit.

    guess i sanctioned myself rather than go sit in a room for 6 months any-more so they can get there money for me being there as its a waste of time.

    i have now been on this wp shit for well over a year now and not heard anything from my provider apart from some fishing letters for a 121 which i binned and my fist interview and just sign every 2 weeks with no job search.

    all they wanted from me was a cv and said everyone has got a cv they must do for them.

    i said i got no cv because i have been doing these so called courses for over 10 years now and i still have nothing to put on a cv or do you want me to put i was job searching for over 10 years and listening to some ppl talking total shit about finding hidden jobs ect ect lmfao

  10. August 1, 2012 at 11:07 pm | #17

    I wonder really if they can get away with sanctions (I’m sure they can; these people are the lowest of the low) when you refuse to participate in work at a mandatory slave placement.
    Think about it, you’ve been sent to do something or be somewhere you aren’t interested in and for no wage. So you turn up. You don’t cause trouble: you don’t start fights or set fire to the building. You just don’t do a very good job. If they want you to sort clothes at a charity shop, you don’t bother. It’s not a question of rudeness or insolence (though of course they will try and paint you as such for not conforming).
    So you’ve turned up, you’ve done what you were instructed to. But where in all this crappy rhetoric and rules does the MWA situation set out your minimum standard of activity therein? Where does it say how you must spend your thirty hours a week? What are your tasks as required in order to receive benefit?
    Because I’m sure as fuck not going to lift a finger to help the profiteering gangmasters!

  11. JBS
    August 2, 2012 at 2:29 pm | #18
    • Andrew Coates
      August 2, 2012 at 2:55 pm | #19

      A Moving tale of a woman.

      “She simply hadn’t believed she could possibly return to work, but a month later she was doing a day a week volunteering in a local charity shop and had started to apply for part-time jobs. Now she sees how her life has been changed for the better.”

      Grayling: Bless.

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